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If you take the demon's offer, and you tell Feynriel's mother that he has become an abomination, Anders will even attempt to comfort her by revealing that Feynriel resisted the demon's temptation, but was tricked (implicitly by Hawke).

And if Hawke then replies "No one needs to hear your account of it."

He says: "Would you kill me again to ensure my silence?  I will not forget this."

I thought that it was pretty neat that Anders tried to take a stand against Hawke in this situation.  And also, that these events ended the romance.

You can see that scene here starting from 5:20 www.youtube.com/watch

And you also have the breakup scene starting from 9:13.

Plus the version where you reveal that it was only a ruse (only available if you didn't complete the deal with the sloth demon) at 11:11.  Something that earns you +20 friendship points and apparently makes Anders fall in love with you all over again!  :P Lol!


Ooooh!  I'm back on top again!  I'm starting to feel like Isabela...  Soon, I'll only want to be on top!  :o

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Done by farkye...  farkye.deviantart.com/ Can't remember if this was already posted here, but I just love this!  :wub:  Anders seems to affect major events of the games even when he isn't trying!  Lol!

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I though blood mage animations were mostly good, except the horrendous blood wound.


Do you mean hemorrhage? Blood Wound isn't a spell in DA2.

Seeing someone thrust a staff through their abdomen and then slowly pulling it out again as they hose blood all over the battlefield touches something in the squick-department of my brain. Why blood magic is so popular is beyond me.

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I actually loved in Origins seeing companions hate the Warden.

I want that back.


Actually, I agree. It would be nice to simply have plain dislike for someone rather than just rivalry. Though perhaps it wouldn't work that well in DA2, since you're not united by a common cause. But perhaps in the next game.

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River5 wrote...

He says: "Would you kill me again to ensure my silence?  I will not forget this."


Oh, Anders. So dramatic

Modifié par SurelyForth, 07 juillet 2011 - 11:17 .


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@ River.
Thanks! Will check it out.

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...


I though blood mage animations were mostly good, except the horrendous blood wound.


Do you mean hemorrhage? Blood Wound isn't a spell in DA2.

Seeing someone thrust a staff through their abdomen and then slowly pulling it out again as they hose blood all over the battlefield touches something in the squick-department of my brain. Why blood magic is so popular is beyond me.


I completely forgot that :D

I really like blood magic, except for that (it's a really stupid looking animations imo). For instance, I like blood control's animations. Or that spell that ate corpses, which name I forgot.

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SurelyForth wrote...

River5 wrote...

He says: "Would you kill me again to ensure my silence?  I will not forget this."


Oh, Anders. So dramatic


Would be perfect if his eyes flashed blue while saying that.

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I love the moment where Anders breaks it off, actually - he's the only romance who can break it off with Hawke for any reason that isn't related to how much friendship/rivalry you have with them at certain points of the game.

@ KoP That spell is called Grave Robber. Rather apt, I think. :P

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Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...
@ KoP That spell is called Grave Robber. Rather apt, I think. :P


Sounds rather...anti-climatic.

Prefer "devour".

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Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

I love the moment where Anders breaks it off, actually - he's the only romance who can break it off with Hawke for any reason that isn't related to how much friendship/rivalry you have with them at certain points of the game.

@ KoP That spell is called Grave Robber. Rather apt, I think. :P


I like it as well. "I will not be with a man who will sell out an innocent for personal gain." funny that a break up made me grin. :lol:

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Ryzaki wrote...
I like it as well. "I will not be with a man who will sell out an innocent for personal gain." funny that a break up made me grin. :lol:


Hating mages makes you guilty O_O

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Then that's your point. Not that Anders breaks up with Hawke *just* for listening to a demon. Otherwise Anders should have a "no relationship" point in Act 1. Where you can listen to a demon. Or even during Seb's quest where again Hawke can have a conversation with a demon. 

And again Hawke can deal with a demon before that with no consequences. It's about dealing with *that* demon and the circumstances of the deal that lead to the breakup. (Unless dealing with act 1 demon means one can't romance Anders.)

excuse me while i slam my face into a door or a pot of coffee. i'm not sure which would be more productive for arguing this. or, rather, not arguing this since it doesn't ****ing matter.

I'm inclined to believe killing Anders and involving someone innocet (Feyrniel) in said deal had far more to do with him breaking up with Hawke than just Hawke talking to a demon. I don't see Anders as detesting Merrill as much as he thinks she's foolishly following the advice of something that she can't control. I see more expasperation and irritation in his dealing with Merrill than hate. Similar to a templar Hawke I are inclined to believe that as long as Hawke doesn't harm anyone other than him/her self Anders will try to get him/her to see the light. 

Now Justice might go off the wall just becase Hawke's talking to a demon but I'm inclined to believe Anders is reasonable enough to realize that demons can give useful information if one isn't naive enough to fall for their tricks. And positive enough to try to get Hawke to stop dealing with demons anyway he can. 

He flips his lid with Feynriel because it's a horrible act to him.

i never said anders would detest a blood mage hawke, in fact i think upthread i said it wouldn't diminish his feelings at all. only that he would find himself unable to enter into a relationship at all. if anders breaks it off after night terrors, he still expresses jealousy toward other love interests and overall trust in hawke, so clearly his feelings aren't diminished.

as to the rest, i can't have a productive discussion with you because i view justice and anders as janders, a colloid being (thx ippy), thus i interpret janders' motivations completely differently than you do. our views are too diametrically opposed to have a discussion make any kind of rational sense without a billion caveats, unfortunately.

...Okay? Not sure what this has to do with what I'm saying.

you said you believed being a blood mage didn't preclude the possibility of a rivalmance. i disagree, and elaborated politely on why i think so. it was sort of, you know, my whole argument.

Modifié par ademska, 07 juillet 2011 - 11:32 .


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Sounds rather...anti-climatic.

Prefer "devour".


You're no fun :lol: Also, devour is already a name used for a Reaver talent. Unless you knew that.

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Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...


Sounds rather...anti-climatic.

Prefer "devour".


You're no fun :lol: Also, devour is already a name used for a Reaver talent. Unless you knew that.


Yea I know, and I prefer it.

Hmmm, maybe "blood hunger"....too vampirish.
How about "blood lust"!

BTW now that I am thinking about it, I am reminded with Janders seemingly feasting on blood in the short story. Do you think he was undeliberately using blood magic? Maybe he fears blood magic so much after realizing what he did?

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excuse me while i slam my face into a door or a pot of coffee. i'm not sure which would be more productive for arguing this. or, rather, not arguing this since it doesn't ****ing matter.


Saying Anders breaks up with Hawke just for dealing with a demon...and bringing up an incident where that's not the case...doesn't matter? :huh: That's like sayin someone's allergic to cheese because they couldn't eat cheesecake and saying them eating a cheeseburger with no problems is irrevalant. 

Unless I misunderstood you and you only meant that specific deal. Because I'm pretty Hawke can deal with demons and romance Anders without him bringing it up. 

Slamming your face in a door is a bit excessive for a disagreement. Internet is not serious business. 

i never said anders would detest a blood mage hawke, in fact i think upthread i said it wouldn't diminish his feelings at all. only that he would find himself unable to enter into a relationship at all. if anders breaks it off after night terrors, he still expresses jealousy toward other love interests and overall trust in hawke, so clearly his feelings aren't diminished.

as to the rest, i can't have a productive discussion with you because i view justice and anders as janders, a colloid being (thx ippy), thus i interpret janders' motivations completely differently than you do. our views are too diametrically opposed to have a discussion make any kind of rational sense without a billion caveats, unfortunately.


Ah. I don't agree but I see how you'd think so. Just a difference in opinion. 

Point. 

you said you believed being a blood mage didn't preclude the possibility of a rivalmance. i disagree, and elaborated polit on why i think so.

 

Ah. I believe a rivalmance is only possible with someone who supports the templars, a bloodmage might be able to have a kind of friendship mance with Anders were he supports their mageness but not the dealing with demons. Of course since DA2 has only a 2 way scale it wouldn't be possible without reworking the system to react to invidiual choices instead of just a F/R meter. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 07 juillet 2011 - 11:36 .


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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

BTW now that I am thinking about it, I am reminded with Janders seemingly feasting on blood in the short story. Do you think he was undeliberately using blood magic? Maybe he fears blood magic so much after realizing what he did?

I just kinda got the impression he had a little snack.

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I like it as well. "I will not be with a man who will sell out an innocent for personal gain." funny that a break up made me grin. :lol:


Not to mention: "MAYBE YOU SHOULD HIT IT WITH MERRILL THEN BECAUSE YOU BOTH LIKE DEMONS SO MUCH. ALSO, YOU SUCK." Gee, thanks for the match-making advice, Anders :lol:

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Yea I know, and I prefer it.

Hmmm, maybe "blood hunger"....too vampirish.
How about "blood lust"!


Sorry. Bloodlust is also taken. :P It's the upgraded version of Blood Magic.

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I just kinda got the impression he had a little snack.


And now I hesitate to wonder what that perma-corpse in his clinic is really used for.

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ademska wrote...
excuse me while i slam my face into a door or a pot of coffee. i'm not sure which would be more productive for arguing this. or, rather, not arguing this since it doesn't ****ing matter.


Saying Anders breaks up with Hawke just for dealing with a demon...and bringing up an incident where that's not the case...doesn't matter? :huh: That's like sayin someone's allergic to cheese because they couldn't eat cheesecake and saying them eating a cheeseburger with no problems is irrevalant.

It doesn't matter, because you knew what she meant and you're making another dumb semantical argument out of this, like you always do. CAN WE MOVE FORWARD INSTEAD OF HARPING ON SPECIFIC WORD COMBINATIONS AND MAYBE, JUST MAYBE INFER THE ACTUAL INTENDED STATEMENT BEHIND THE POST INSTEAD OF GOING ON FOREVER AND FOREVER ABOUT TINY IRRELEVANT LITTLE DETAILS IN AN ARGUMENT JUST A THOUGHT DON'T MIND ME.

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Not to mention: "MAYBE YOU SHOULD HIT IT WITH MERRILL THEN BECAUSE YOU BOTH LIKE DEMONS SO MUCH. ALSO, YOU SUCK." Gee, thanks for the match-making advice, Anders :lol:

 

What's even more hilarious is you can't even get with Merrill at that point. I tried but romancing him removed all her hearts! :lol:

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Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

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Yea I know, and I prefer it.

Hmmm, maybe "blood hunger"....too vampirish.
How about "blood lust"!


Sorry. Bloodlust is also taken. :P It's the upgraded version of Blood Magic.


Hmmm...."blood cuisine". Or "medium rare". :P

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Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

ipgd wrote...

I just kinda got the impression he had a little snack.


And now I hesitate to wonder what that perma-corpse in his clinic is really used for.


I get the impression it would haven't been tasty after like, a month.  Unless he kills people regularly or preserves them somehow.

Smoked human, human jerky....

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What's even more hilarious is you can't even get with Merrill at that point. I tried but romancing him removed all her hearts! :lol:


I think you can if you initiate a romance with him but do the NT-quest before sexing him up. I think I did that on mine, but I romanced him entirely on accident because that was my Merrillmance run and thus the "break-up" was unintentionally hilarious. Yeah. I think I'll do just that, Anders.
 
The man still gets jealous though, the poor, confused sod.

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Hmmm...."blood cuisine". Or "medium rare". :P


BloodMage!Hawke doesn't bring a staff to his battles. He brings a meat knife and a fork :lol:

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
I like it as well. "I will not be with a man who will sell out an innocent for personal gain." funny that a break up made me grin. :lol:


Hating mages makes you guilty O_O


Well, depends how you would define "personal gain"...  Anders doesn't have much to gain PERSONALLY if he's dead, isn't he?  ;)

He would sacrifice an innocent for an ideal...  But not "personal gain".

Now, if Sloth had offered to remove all Circles in Thedas in exchange for Feynriel, that *might* have given Anders, and perhaps even Justice, pause.  :P

Or the rivalry between spirits and demons would still have prevailed...  Hmmm...

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I think you can if you initiate a romance with him but do the NT-quest before sexing him up. I think I did that on mine, but I romanced him entirely on accident because that was my Merrillmance run and thus the "break-up" was unintentionally hilarious. Yeah. I think I'll do just that, Anders.
 
The man still gets jealous though, the poor, confused sod.


Oh. I've gotta do that then. :devil: LOL 

Wait does Hawke still get he "you should be with someone else." during the Justice quest? Okay that is hilarious "But you told me she'd be good for me Anders!" "I changed my mind!" :lol:

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Oh. I've gotta do that then. :devil: LOL 

Wait does Hawke still get he "you should be with someone else." during the Justice quest? Okay that is hilarious "But you told me she'd be good for me Anders!" "I changed my mind!" :lol:


I got it on mine, at least. Maybe it was a glitch. He even rips on Merrill with that "Hawke was a fool to let you move in"-banter, since I also had a fling with Isabela during that playthrough, and I just agh. You dumped me yourself, man. Leave my girlfriend alooone.

It must be so very confusing to be Anders.

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It must be so very confusing to be Anders.


Yea, I am sure that is what's confusing him. Nevermind the whole spirit stuck in him and haunting his dreams thing. What's really confusing him, is the weird female creature :P

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I got it on mine, at least. Maybe it was a glitch. He even rips on Merrill with that "Hawke was a fool to let you move in"-banter, since I also had a fling with Isabela during that playthrough, and I just agh. You dumped me yourself, man. Leave my girlfriend alooone.

It must be so very confusing to be Anders.

 

:lol: Poor Hawke. Dumped and his ex doesn't want him to have anyone else. 

Must be can't decide if he wants to give Hawke up completely or not.