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[Ryzaki]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Just imagine it lightly touching his face and purring.

A good cat can make even the grouchiest person a puddle of goo in minutes.

It can.  

beckaliz wrote...

I dunno I kinda think he'd eat it.

 

D: 

I don't think he'd eat the poor kitty. 

[Giggles_Manically]

THE QUN DEMANDS IT!
SERVED WITH BARBECUE SAUCE!

[beckaliz]

Yep, he'd eat it. With barbecue sauce.

So Anders would have blown him up instead in rage at the injustice of kitty nomming.

[legbamel]

Ryzaki wrote...
...and now I have the image of the Arishok nuzzling a kitten. Thanks Giggles.

I'm picturing him with kittens nestled in among his horns, perhpas hanging from them, as he ignores them and tries to look stern while chastising Jervaris.  :happy:

[CulturalGeekGirl]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Mute it.
Has little to do with writing quality anyways.

Actually, this is a discussion I was had a while ago. We were having a writing contest at GDC... whenever we were able to read our own lines, I would win. When we were not, it'd be a tie, or he would win, generally speaking.

The thing is, I have a sense of comedic timing. And dramatic timing. I was an actress before I was a writer, and a storyteller before I was either of those (Before that I was... a painter I think? but that's not relevant). I was the girl on the schoolyard playground who'd explain what game we were playing together, narrate the backstory, and voice the side characters. I often write dialogue by pacing back and forth, saying it to myself. The thing is, often what sounds good doesn't look good when written; it's a delicate balance. A poor line can sound great, when well-acted. A good line can be ruined by a hack.

Sound and voice may not affect the quality of the writing, but they do affect the quality of the final media product, and they do so substantially. Look at the 4kids dub of One Piece. It is one of the best-written stories in the modern canon of popular anime, rendered a hideous laughing stock by poor translation and worse voice acting.

Ugh. A good voice director is not a hard thing to find. Good voice actors are not expensive. Both things just take time, and effort, and someone willing to value the final product. While bad voice acting may not harm the original writing, it does harm the final product. It's like saying a bad singer doesn't ruin a song. I mean they don't ruin the fundamental song, the idea of the song that's sitting back on a shelf somewhere, unheard by you. But a bad singer ruins the song in front of you now.

That's one thing Bioware has going for it: incredible voices that show a respect for the idea of writing. Better to have silence than bad voice acting... Chrono Trigger taught me that. You can see how much a voice can change a character, both with ManShep and FemShep or with Ellis Anders and Howden Anders. Voice matters, it can change so much about a character, and skimping on it shows a serious disrespect for the content.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Ryzaki wrote...

beckaliz wrote...

I dunno I kinda think he'd eat it.

 

D: 

I don't think he'd eat the poor kitty. 

If you're so evil... why don't you eat this kitten?

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 10 juillet 2011 - 01:06 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Mute it.
Has little to do with writing quality anyways.

Sound and voice may not affect the quality of the writing, but they do affect the quality of the final media product, and they do so substantially.

Not denying that. But two different things.

I found TW's VO to be decent enough. Others did not, and good for them.
I'd rather take the former, then excellent VO in what I see as a mess for a story personally.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

beckaliz wrote...
On topic:

This is why all good mages should learn to ride sidesaddle. It looks so... elegant. Bonus: then you have a lap for the kitty!

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 10 juillet 2011 - 01:09 .

[CulturalGeekGirl]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Mute it.
Has little to do with writing quality anyways.

Sound and voice may not affect the quality of the writing, but they do affect the quality of the final media product, and they do so substantially.

Not denying that. But two different things.

I found TW's VO to be decent enough. Others did not, and good for them.
I'd rather take the former, then excellent VO in what I see as a mess for a story personally.

I would prefer SILENCE.

Seriously though, bad VO really puts me off my feed. We'll have to see what I think of The Witcher's VO when I play it. I thought the main characters' VO in FFX completely and totally ruined the impact of the story. I still think of that game with hate and scorn despite actively enjoying every second of it that did not contain the main characters talking.

Then again, I haven't played both TW and DA2 so I can't compare and contrast. And I actually quite like some aspects of DA2's story. It's less of a weird mess than a lot of JRPGs I played in my bad old days, the biggest problems are more ones of game design and narrative design (Dear Bioware: Hire a Narrative Designer. PLEASE.) 

I assume the lack of political subtlety is what you're thinking of as the mess, or the gaps in the action, or maybe the idiot idol? I consider all of those things... problems, but the story in general way above average for video games.

[KnightofPhoenix]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
I assume the lack of political subtlety is what you're thinking of as the mess, or the gaps in the action, or maybe the idiot idol? I consider all of those things... problems, but the story in general way above average for video games.

No, a lot more than that. Dozens of reasons. Which I won't post here, I've pissed off enough people as it is.

Considering that the average video game is not about story, DA2 being above average is pretty much meaningless to me.

[beckaliz]

Uh.... *deletes post about FFX hate* ^___^;;;


Anders doesn't know WTF FFX was about either.

[ipgd]

Now I remember. FFX is my other, other Game Nobody Else But Me Liked.



Granted, I was like a babby back then and couldn't tell the difference between good voice acting and bad voice acting to begin with but still.

Modifié par ipgd, 10 juillet 2011 - 01:28 .

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Oh, a lot of people liked FFX. Go to an anime con and you will see HOW MANY OF THEM. And they all want to be Yuna, and argleblarghmargle.

Like I said, I liked a lot of things about FFX. On later reflection I realized that I wouldn't even hate Yuna if she wasn't voice acted in the way that she is. I liked pretty much all the supporting characters. But Yuna's voice makes me want to punch her in the throat. Even thinking about the game I can't get that voice out of my braiiiin. Is like a kind of poison.

Ok. Anyway. Anders. Time to go back a few pages to catch up, and find a less infuriating subject to talk about.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 10 juillet 2011 - 01:30 .

[Hill-Hurwitz]

legbamel wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
...and now I have the image of the Arishok nuzzling a kitten. Thanks Giggles.

I'm picturing him with kittens nestled in among his horns, perhpas hanging from them, as he ignores them and tries to look stern while chastising Jervaris.  :happy:

Adorable Qunari & Cats Kink!Meme fill here that someone did comes about as close to kitten nuzzling as I'd realistically believe.

[beckaliz]

I don't rabidly dislike FFX. But I got as far as "Home", got stuck and couldn't get out, then watched my then-roommate finish the game and I thought the ending was stupid. Like lolwut D: like this character was meaningless. But I've come to realize that those sorts of Japanese RPGs aren't really my flavor at all. Especially since all the girls are either evil hobags or wistful waifs, in my estimation. People might recall my position on such female leads.

It would be like if Varric said later, "Oh yeah guyz Anders was fake he was just a figment of Hawke's imagination, Hawke was really just multiple personality disorder freak y'know and stuff" (Not a direct parallel obviously but that's how it made me feel.)


sauce

Modifié par beckaliz, 10 juillet 2011 - 01:45 .

[DragonRacer]

ademska wrote...

**** **** **** GODDAMMIT ANDERS

Fixed it for you.

[ipgd]

beckaliz wrote...

It would be like if Varric said later, "Oh yeah guyz Anders was fake he was just a figment of Hawke's imagination, Hawke was really just multiple personality disorder freak y'know and stuff" (Not a direct parallel obviously but that's how it made me feel.)

hawke wasn't a collective of like, thousands of souls trapped in rock basically doing astral projection all day, though

it wasn't exactly an m night shyamalan twist

[Tyrium]

I actually really like DA2's story, and find it much more replayable than DA:O (though I love that to bits too). I also feel much more connected to the characters (possibly because sarcastic!F!Hawke is distubingly close to my speech/thought patterns. Its scary).

Modifié par Tyrium, 10 juillet 2011 - 01:55 .

[ademska]

._. i like ffx

and its ending

and yuna

what of it

[ademska]

Tyrium wrote...

I actually really like DA2's story, and find it much more replayable than DA:O (though I love that to bits too). I also feel much more connected to the characters (possibly because sarcastic!F!Hawke is distubingly close to my speech/thought patterns. Its scary).

not to disparage dao, but that's likely because da2 actually bothered to have the characters form relationships with each other outside of their relationship with the pc, and because the pc was a distinct character instead of a near-scratch construct of roleplay


edit: @Queen

let me guess, either the macalania or bevelle temples? because **** that noise.

Modifié par ademska, 10 juillet 2011 - 01:59 .

[ipgd]

And another quote for the ANDERS NEVER SLEPT WITH KARL BECAUSE HE DOESN'T MENTION IT TO FEMALE HAWKE ****fests:

"No matter who the player is, Karl was always someone [Anders] was romantically involved with," says Gaider. "The part of him the player is exposed to, however, is different. Anders doesn't mention Karl to a female Hawke because Jennifer Hepler [Anders' writer] didn't think he would -- and also because a player who prefers to think of Anders as straight is welcome to do so."

Modifié par ipgd, 10 juillet 2011 - 02:01 .

[ademska]

ipgd wrote...

And another quote for the ANDERS NEVER SLEPT WITH KARL BECAUSE HE DOESN'T MENTION IT TO FEMALE HAWKE ****fests:

"No matter who the player is, Karl was always someone [Anders] was romantically involved with," says Gaider. "The part of him the player is exposed to, however, is different. Anders doesn't mention Karl to a female Hawke because Jennifer Hepler [Anders' writer] didn't think he would -- and also because a player who prefers to think of Anders as straight is welcome to do so."

i feel like i should bookmark this for the next time i pick a fight about this. you know, in the next hour or so.