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[CulturalGeekGirl]

Both Anders and Fenris are two of the most beautifully animated characters I've ever seen, and very distinct from each other. Anders has that little head tilt, and Fenris his shoulder slump. Argh, either of them alone can take me to pieces.

If that silly top isn't an excuse to post some Fenders, I don't know what is! 

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So cute, and somehow the style reminds me of the Ghostbusters cartoon from my childhood. Anders as Peter Venkman? Yes please. (When I was a kid I totally couldn't decide who was cooler: Peter or Egon.)

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 11 juillet 2011 - 03:00 .

[SurelyForth]

There is no acceptable excuse for posting Fenders. *counters with Varranders...of a sort*

[BlueMew]

The question at the center is this: is it more important to grant unrestrained gameplay freedom or to create characters who have realistic sexualities throughout the spectrum? I think that both goals are equally important, and that there must be ways to achieve them simultaneously.

Really? That makes me curious towards the "built-in way to for all genders to access those romances without resorting to modding" - if you don't make them available to all, how would you do it? Wouldn't people then scream bloody murder for something as unrealistic as 'turning a lesbian straight', f.i.?

Mind you, I see a big difference between literature / tv series and a fantasy video game here - I still don't think it's that important to be realistic if the cost is to sacrifice gameplay freedom, but last time I mentioned that someone got confused and peevishly asked me if I'd like to remove the risk of in game death as well.

[River5]

xRiseAboveThis wrote...

Just came across this in the Alistair Fan Club on Facebook and thought I'd share it here:

David Garrett (some famous violinst), looks just like a real-life Anders. It's kind of awesome.

And he is German/American!!!

Anders is "named" Anders because he comes from the Anderfels...  And the people from the Anderfels are loosely based on the German people, are they not?

Seriously though, David Garrett could very well have been Anders' model.  The resemblance is uncanny!

OMG!!!  And he can play "Smooth Criminal" (one of my favorite songs) at record speed!!!  I'm completely smitten!  I'll spend the whole day watching David Garrett videos now...

www.youtube.com/watch

Perhaps Hawke should give Anders a fiddlestick to go with that lute...  See what happens...  You never know!  

[highcastle]

I think when it comes to sexuality, inclusion is very important. Which is why I support all the romanceable characters being available to both genders. Especially in a fantasy or science fiction setting where they likely view sexuality in completely different terms than we do. Now, I also think part of being inclusive means recognizing that bi and straight are not the only two options out there. So how do we be inclusive of people who identify purely as gay? By having gay NPCs that aren't romancable. Like Wade and Herren, but having their relationship actually be acknowledged in the game. Or finding Emile de Launcet and having him be interested in kissing boys instead of girls. 

In the spirit of same-sex relations and all these others pics floating around, I think it only fair I re-post this:

Silver-Raven's commission of Noah/Anders.

[BlueMew]

highcastle wrote...
Like Wade and Herren, but having their relationship actually be acknowledged in the game.

What do you mean they weren't acknowledged?  they were like the Old Marrieds of DA!

[highcastle]

BlueMew wrote...

highcastle wrote...
Like Wade and Herren, but having their relationship actually be acknowledged in the game.

What do you mean they weren't acknowledged?  they were like the Old Marrieds of DA!

Well, I thought they were pretty damn obvious, but there were a ton of people on the boards protesting otherwise before Gaider confirmed it.

And on the topic of David Garrett...his last name is Garrett?!? It's like a conspiracy or something. 

[beckaliz]

Mekarah wrote...

Erm...not to inject ridiculousness into the middle of the srs bsnss argument, but I got the new Lonely Island CD this weekend and this was in it and I immediately thought of y'all (and forgiveness if it's already been posted):

--snipt pichoor--

Also, I'm waiting extraordinarilly impatiently for CS5 to be installed on my work PC, otherwise I'd totally Anders-cize this.

Hehehe yeah, The Lonely Island seems to be Anders's band or something.

This puts me in mind of the glowing blue Justice-arse that we've seen around here a few times.  And glowing Bethany-boobs.



ETA:



Hee hee hee. I need more art of these two. I should get a commission. *o*

Modifié par beckaliz, 11 juillet 2011 - 03:26 .

[ipgd]

River5 wrote...

!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[River5]

Now, watch this...

While trying to imagine how Anders would have been like if he had been allowed to express himself through his magic, as freely as David is allowed to express himself through his music...

"Creative forces of nature, coming up!" 

www.youtube.com/watch

[River5]

ipgd wrote...

River5 wrote...

!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sentences in this post: 9
Exclamation marks in this post: 12

LOL!!!  Yes!!!  I tend to do that when I get very excited about something!!!  

[beckaliz]

River5 wrote...

Now, watch this...

While trying to imagine how Anders would have been like if he had been allowed to express himself through his magic, as freely as David is allowed to express himself through his music...

"Creative forces of nature, coming up!" 

www.youtube.com/watch

I love how his hair is blowing loose over his forehead. Such passion! I can picture Anders doing this.

Except Hawke says he's terrible at the lute.... hmm. Maybe I don't want to see him doing that.

[ipgd]

River5 wrote...

LOL!!!  Yes!!!  I tend to do that when I get very excited about something!!!  

[Mekarah]

beckaliz wrote...
This puts me in mind of the glowing blue Justice-arse that we've seen around here a few times.  And glowing Bethany-boobs.

Right? I immediately thought of the sparklebutt.

I wonder if Anders knows he's bad at the lute, or if he just wistfully sits there trying to play it, singing protest songs about mages, and Hawke just grins and bears it because s/he loves him and doesn't want Justice to break his/her lute in a fit of justice-rage.

Modifié par Mekarah, 11 juillet 2011 - 03:39 .

[SurelyForth]

Mekarah wrote...

beckaliz wrote...
This puts me in mind of the glowing blue Justice-arse that we've seen around here a few times.  And glowing Bethany-boobs.

Right? I immediately thought of the sparklebutt.

I wonder if Anders knows he's bad at the lute, or if he just wistfully sits there trying to play it, singing protest songs about mages, and Hawke just grins and bears it because s/he loves him and doesn't want Justice to break his/her lute in a fit of justice-rage.

Having dated loads of musicians of every talent level...I'd say the latter. I had one boyfriend who was so adorkable when he played his little folk songs on his guitar that my positive (and terribly biased) feedback led him to try out an open-mic thing at a local bookstore.

It wasn't pretty.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 11 juillet 2011 - 03:47 .

[madzilla84]

 It's SO weird that you posted that, because the other day I was doing an image search for Hawke (go figure) and David Garrett popped up in the results. (I wasn't even searching for Garrett Hawke, I was searching for Marian Hawke!)
Anyway, this was the pic that popped up and made me go 'OMG ANDERS' immediately.

i56.tinypic.com/2ebbygz.jpg

GAHHH. YOU SEE??

Modifié par madzilla84, 11 juillet 2011 - 03:55 .

[YamiSnuffles]

[CulturalGeekGirl]

BlueMew wrote...

The question at the center is this: is it more important to grant unrestrained gameplay freedom or to create characters who have realistic sexualities throughout the spectrum? I think that both goals are equally important, and that there must be ways to achieve them simultaneously.

Really? That makes me curious towards the "built-in way to for all genders to access those romances without resorting to modding" - if you don't make them available to all, how would you do it? Wouldn't people then scream bloody murder for something as unrealistic as 'turning a lesbian straight', f.i.?

Mind you, I see a big difference between literature / tv series and a fantasy video game here - I still don't think it's that important to be realistic if the cost is to sacrifice gameplay freedom, but last time I mentioned that someone got confused and peevishly asked me if I'd like to remove the risk of in game death as well.

It was originally suggested as a response to the suggestion that all Mass Effect romances be bisexual. There are somewhere between eight and eleven ME romances, depending on how you count, and that's a number of possible love interests that exceeds the cast of most harem anime. Four or five people to flirt with? No problem. Eleven? That... would detract from my enjoyment of the game, I think. And a lot of people at the time agreed: the four bisexual romances in Dragon Age aren't a problem, but in a game like Mass Effect where the diversity of romance options is a big thing, having eleven (or more) people all potentially interested in you feels a bit overwhelming. So my suggestion was that there be two modes: standard and open (or rename them however you like). In standard mode, characters have an established sexuality (this only works if one or more of the characters are canonically homosexual, otherwise it can feel too much like a 'no gay' button. but at the time of this discussion, the addition of some form of gay romance into ME was assured. In my theoretical example, Nigel Fishnchips would be canonically gay as would our hypothetical new FemTurian Vanguard) In open mode all 11-15 romances are available to all players.

Instead of thinking of it in terms of taking relationships away, imagine if you could just click on a mode that would make Alistair, Morrigan, and Sebastian available to both genders. Also, it allows the developers to implement an exclusively same sex romance without worrying about it being a waste of resources, as players playing in open mode with opposite sex characters will still have access to it. There are a bunch of other reasons I have for this, but it's not time to write my manifesto again. Fallout NV doens't have romances, but I loved the fact that the best and most interesting companion was gay (also, Arcade really reminds me of Anders. The idealist doctor who finds that the results of the revolution he dreamed of is not what he expected? Yeah.) The idea that we can only have gay companions in games where they aren't romanceable makes me sad.

I, personally, hope that someday video games will have the same cultural and emotional impact as tv and novels do. That may just be a pipe dream.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 11 juillet 2011 - 04:12 .

[Toastyblue2]

madzilla84 wrote...

 It's SO weird that you posted that, because the other day I was doing an image search for Hawke (go figure) and David Garrett popped up in the results. (I wasn't even searching for Garrett Hawke, I was searching for Marian Hawke!)
Anyway, this was the pic that popped up and made me go 'OMG ANDERS' immediately.

i56.tinypic.com/2ebbygz.jpg

GAHHH. YOU SEE??

I always imagined Anders as being one of those men who has amazing looking hands.

David Garrett? Amazing hands.

Woo, and I never heard of this man until this morning. *fans self*

[beckaliz]

OH MY GOD YAMI



EDIT:
@CGG:

You know, I wonder if they couldn't make a variation on "what kind of personality does Hawke have" as far as the sexuality issue goes. This wouldn't exclude you from initiating flirts with the possible LIs, but it would manipulate which of them possibly flirts with you. I wonder if that would work, or would just be awkward and/or cumbersome.

Modifié par beckaliz, 11 juillet 2011 - 04:11 .

[River5]

madzilla84 wrote...

 It's SO weird that you posted that, because the other day I was doing an image search for Hawke (go figure) and David Garrett popped up in the results. (I wasn't even searching for Garrett Hawke, I was searching for Marian Hawke!)
Anyway, this was the pic that popped up and made me go 'OMG ANDERS' immediately.

i56.tinypic.com/2ebbygz.jpg

GAHHH. YOU SEE??

Yes, yes I do... 

Lol!  This is so funny...  He "ran away" from his home to move to New York when he was 18, because his parent didn't want him to go to college (he was already a musician, so what was the point?).  But since he felt that no one ever really asked him what he wanted to do with his life, he decided that it was important for him to take a break and figure this out for himself.

And he's a complete charmer!  He's got the right look, and the right attitude for the part... 

www.youtube.com/watch

And I really should be thinking about getting out of these pyjamas and starting my day...

[ashyraine]

@yami that pic is the best thing ever. I am fully awake now...

And David Garrett is the awesomes. If I could play violin like him I'd probably still be playing! Recognized his version of The 5th while shopping with my stepsis last week and got her hooked too muahahaha.
And yeah...the Anders resemblance just adds to the awesome

[CulturalGeekGirl]

@beckaliz
The fact that Anders and Kaidan both flirt with you first is one of the things I like most about both those relationships (though my second favorite BW relationship is Garrus, and with him you basically have to say "I am hitting on you, you idiot!" I'm a woman of diverse tastes.)

I think that having a gay (or bi) character hit on straight players is a good thing. It builds character. It gets them out into the real world. I don't think there should necessarily be any way to avoid it. But there I go prioritizing realism over player choice again.

[BlueMew]

Eleven?! Holy **** Yeah, I never played ME because I'm not that into sci fi - except for Dr Who, which is technically... uh... something else

Anyway, Sebastian is the one character that either gender of all my characters would never touch with a 10 ft pole

[SurelyForth]

Heh. Now I'm picturing a scenario like the Human Noble origin where Cousland can flirt with Iona and/or Dairren. You add something like that to every starter area and it sets who hits on you for the game!

It would make the dudes who get all hot under the collar for Anders OMG kissing them out of nowhere! seem even dumber since it would be another decision that THEY MADE that led to gaymance. And it is possible to turn off romance triggers...in ME2, you can only romance Garrus if you recruited him in ME. It's one of my favorite small touches, to be honest.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 11 juillet 2011 - 04:32 .