ademska wrote...
i feel like you made a wiser choice than i didbeckaliz wrote...
Damn I was gonna do that but forgot at the last minute.
Modifié par beckaliz, 15 juillet 2011 - 04:58 .
beckaliz wrote...
ademska wrote...
i feel like you made a wiser choice than i didbeckaliz wrote...
Damn I was gonna do that but forgot at the last minute.
HEY ANDERS STARTS GLOWING AND BURSTING OUT WHEN JUSTICE ASSUMES DIRECT CONTROL... I wonder if they know this similarity... *twilight zone music*
Ummmmmmmm...
I have problems.
EDIT: WOW WHAT A PERFECT TOP holy cow
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I loved that you had him in Malcolm's robes in that picture - it's the one thing I wish you could have done in game. Although the black buttoned up robes of doom are pretty awesome.SurelyForth wrote...
And I was just happy that Anders got more than just a pallette swap for his upgrade. I thought he'd be rocking the hobo look the entire game (just like Garrus' loyalty armor kept the gunship scars), but at least his second outfit was buttoned up.
)So post game she'd stick it out because she loved him and believed in the cause? What about his wish to be made a martyr for the cause? Would that be better help him accomplish his goals? (I know meta the result is the same, but from Hawke's pov?)berelinde wrote...
... The rest of my Hawkes are much more independent. Alina, the blond mage I posted as a top a long time ago, was initially drawn to Anders for superficial, highly physical reasons, but she stayed because she had fallen in love with him, she wanted to help him, and she believed in what he was trying to accomplish. She recognized his emotional and psychological collapse for what it was and she was not pleased to see it, but she was healthy enough herself not to get too caught up in it.
I like the idea of a Hawke being together enough at the end of the game to be thinking about the effects on Anders rather than a gut reaction, and deciding that he is more useful alive than dead. This will give me plenty to think on!SurelyForth wrote...
If your Hawke is the sort of Hawke who believes that what he did was probably necessary and keeps him alive so he can keep fighting because (in their opinion) he's way more useful in that capacity...I can definitely see their relationship not being co-dependent.
For example, my Hawke isn't one of those that views Anders as all she has left. He's the most important person in her life, but not by much. Isabela, Aveline and Varric are just as much her family as he is, so that's not something that she takes into consideration when deciding whether he should live or die. If she weighs anything, it's whether or not he can live with himself if he's spared, not whether or not she can live without him.
So after they get out of Kirkwall, they have a purpose that's larger than they are and they stay together when they can because, hey, she loves the man, but she also knows that their purpose is larger than they are and, if circumstances take them apart, she'll certainly survive and she'll leave him with people she knows will watch over him.
I mean...does that work?
Sums it up nicely!beckaliz wrote...
Her perspective at the end will be, "I love him. I agree with his cause, and I think he can do some good, but he definitely needs a babysitter."
I really like this interrpretation, and that last bit is so lovely. Do you see him as... doomed? Is he going to end badly no matter what else happens?YamiSnuffles wrote...
By the time the Chantry went up, she'd had some time to mentally prepare herself to some extent. She'd known Anders was going to do something and had done what she could to help him, in faith that it would bring them closer to the goal they'd been working for. She was furious for all the people he'd killed and all that would die in the battle to come. At the same time, she knew she had helped and knew that she had wanted a revolution.
So she stood by him. He would work his hardest to help make sure all those lives weren't lost in vain. Plus, she did love him. She saw that there was something wonderful and special about him. He might be lost, but there was so much more he could do before he was completely gone.
Despite all the wonderful non-co-dependent reasons above, it's still this kind of awful tragic dynamic that wins me over.ademska wrote...
SO - he's so ensconced in anders stuff and so blehh at politics - and anders pulls back enough from mage stuff after ella lives - that neither make any major moves beyond the micro level of helping individuals until act 3. as anders downward spirals, so does he, becoming more intense about revolutionary ideals if not actions. by the time the chantry blows, he's shocked, but he recognizes that he made this decision years ago, and post-gamedives headfirst into undermining the chantry and destroying it both with political machinations and literal explosives. their relationship becomes even more codependent because they are crazy people.
it's like the unhealthiest relationship ever i love it so much
Horrible decisions in the name of love are so much fun. Modifié par ElleMullineux, 15 juillet 2011 - 08:30 .
Modifié par ladyofpayne, 15 juillet 2011 - 09:24 .
I told about she loves him or non.:innocent:ipgd wrote...
Are you sure you're not a Cylon hybrid?ladyofpayne wrote...
Where is Autor's words about Anders?
HI ELLE :happy: i am still awake but i am also ah deficient AT THE MOMENT but you quoted my dynamic so in the immortal words of mario here we goooooElleMullineux wrote...
Despite all the wonderful non-co-dependent reasons above, it's still this kind of awful tragic dynamic that wins me over.
I find the very pro- or anti- mage dialogues make him sound very unhinged, but anything where you try to strike a balance with him he comes off sounding more or less sane just passionate about the cause. (To my ears at least) So reading over these responses, just how pro-mage do you do your play throughs? Is there a point where your Hawke just wants to face-palm at his opinions even though they agree with most of what he says?
i understand completelyladyofpayne wrote...
I told about she loves him or non.:innocent:
Modifié par ademska, 15 juillet 2011 - 09:42 .
ladyofpayne wrote...
What if Garret in trailer choose Anders instead Isabela? Ha-ha-ha!
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ademska wrote...
HI ELLE :happy: i am still awake but i am also ah deficient AT THE MOMENT but you quoted my dynamic so in the immortal words of mario here we goooooElleMullineux wrote...
Despite all the wonderful non-co-dependent reasons above, it's still this kind of awful tragic dynamic that wins me over.
I find the very pro- or anti- mage dialogues make him sound very unhinged, but anything where you try to strike a balance with him he comes off sounding more or less sane just passionate about the cause. (To my ears at least) So reading over these responses, just how pro-mage do you do your play throughs? Is there a point where your Hawke just wants to face-palm at his opinions even though they agree with most of what he says?
that hawke i wrote about was so vehemently pro-mage, oh my gosh. never, ever picked a pro-templar choice in metagame, in part (at first) because he had father complexes and malcolm was so anti-templar and garrett himself was so fiercely protective of his family after malcolm's death. i see him as generally not so much with the single-minded pro-mage agenda that anders has, however, primarily because he's, y'know, not possessed of a spirit -- though as his relationship with anders get more intense and they spiral vaguely downwards, he becomes less compromising. still, even at their most tragic, garrett's not anders and it grants him at least a slightly greater degree of objectivity.
i'm not sure i would classify that garrett at the end of the game as 'unhinged' (even with the shenanigans they get up to -- killing and plotting but mostly killing), but this is primarily because i'm not willing to classify anders as 'unhinged' either.
certainly tragic on both fronts, though. probably unstable. definitely awesome.
Deficient are you? mmm? Orly? 
Can you really be far even as decided half as much to use go wish for that? My guess is that when one really been far even as decided once to use even go want, it is then that he has really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like. It’s just common sense.ladyofpayne wrote...
I told about she loves him or non.:innocent:
Modifié par ipgd, 15 juillet 2011 - 02:13 .
ipgd wrote...
Can you really be far even as decided half as much to use go wish for that? My guess is that when one really been far even as decided once to use even go want, it is then that he has really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like. It’s just common sense.ladyofpayne wrote...
I told about she loves him or non.:innocent:
ElleMullineux wrote...
I really like this interrpretation, and that last bit is so lovely. Do you see him as... doomed? Is he going to end badly no matter what else happens?
YamiSnuffles wrote...
I'm running off about 4 hours of sleep right now, so that's about the best I can get into it. Oh, and I can also pic spam with something old and say this is still one of my favored best case scenario outcomes:
Super Janders Arcane Warrior. It will never happen, but a girl can dream.
ipgd wrote...
Can you really be far even as decided half as much to use go wish for that? My guess is that when one really been far even as decided once to use even go want, it is then that he has really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like. It’s just common sense.ladyofpayne wrote...
I told about she loves him or non.:innocent:
ipgd wrote...
Can you really be far even as decided half as much to use go wish for that? My guess is that when one really been far even as decided once to use even go want, it is then that he has really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like. It’s just common sense.ladyofpayne wrote...
I told about she loves him or non.:innocent:
AndreaDraco wrote...
Here's one of my very favorite fan art!
by Sandara
Good morning everyone!
YamiSnuffles wrote...
ElleMullineux wrote...
I really like this interrpretation, and that last bit is so lovely. Do you see him as... doomed? Is he going to end badly no matter what else happens?
I don't think definitely doomed, no. However, It's a very real possibility. So for my Hawke, at least, it's sort of a matter of she hopes for the best but she's also ready for the worst.
I'm running off about 4 hours of sleep right now, so that's about the best I can get into it. Oh, and I can also pic spam with something old and say this is still one of my favored best case scenario outcomes:
Super Janders Arcane Warrior. It will never happen, but a girl can dream.
ipgd wrote...
Can you really be far even as decided half as much to use go wish for that? My guess is that when one really been far even as decided once to use even go want, it is then that he has really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like. It’s just common sense.ladyofpayne wrote...
I told about she loves him or non.{angelface}
Modifié par beckaliz, 15 juillet 2011 - 04:34 .
highcastle wrote...
I adore Anders at his pro-magiest (shut it; it's a word...or it is now). But then, I pretty much just play mages who want to be free themselves and aren't giant hypocrites. Noah, for instance, has spent his whole life trying not be captured. He's not going to risk his skin or freedom to start pulling mages out of the Circle all willy-nilly, but he's also not going to hand over an already free mage to the templars. Plus, the expression Anders makes when Hawke agrees with him in the first conversation about how locking mages away in the Gallows isn't the best way to ensure they never rise up into another Imperium is absolutely priceless.
As far as post-game's concerned...I don't see it being easy and I don't see it being sunshine and roses. Anders did a big thing that both of them are going to have live with. I imagine there'll be massive amounts of guilt from both of them over what they've done and what they'll have to do in the future. And Anders has never been very stable, though I think actually settling into an active resistance might stabilize him. I'd hope that after doing his little Chantry jenga thing and surviving, he no longer sees the need to keep such big secrets. But that type of pattern of behavior isn't easy to break, so I sense lots of poor-communication to come.
God I love the really flawed and twisted structure of their relationship. So much fodder for drama...
ElleMullineux wrote...
ademska wrote...
HI ELLE :happy: i am still awake but i am also ah deficient AT THE MOMENT but you quoted my dynamic so in the immortal words of mario here we goooooElleMullineux wrote...
Despite all the wonderful non-co-dependent reasons above, it's still this kind of awful tragic dynamic that wins me over.
I find the very pro- or anti- mage dialogues make him sound very unhinged, but anything where you try to strike a balance with him he comes off sounding more or less sane just passionate about the cause. (To my ears at least) So reading over these responses, just how pro-mage do you do your play throughs? Is there a point where your Hawke just wants to face-palm at his opinions even though they agree with most of what he says?
that hawke i wrote about was so vehemently pro-mage, oh my gosh. never, ever picked a pro-templar choice in metagame, in part (at first) because he had father complexes and malcolm was so anti-templar and garrett himself was so fiercely protective of his family after malcolm's death. i see him as generally not so much with the single-minded pro-mage agenda that anders has, however, primarily because he's, y'know, not possessed of a spirit -- though as his relationship with anders get more intense and they spiral vaguely downwards, he becomes less compromising. still, even at their most tragic, garrett's not anders and it grants him at least a slightly greater degree of objectivity.
i'm not sure i would classify that garrett at the end of the game as 'unhinged' (even with the shenanigans they get up to -- killing and plotting but mostly killing), but this is primarily because i'm not willing to classify anders as 'unhinged' either.
certainly tragic on both fronts, though. probably unstable. definitely awesome.
O Hi THAIR ADEMSKA!
Hmmmm delicious daddy issues - they're such a good starting point for a dysfunctional dynamic. (I loved that Malc had been left open for interpretation, but now that more about him is going to be revealed in the DLC I'm getting nervous.) If you don't see Anders as 'unhinged' how would you describe him?
@Amondra - I could definitely see Thera as selfish. Do you think the 'right' thing would have been to kill him?
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