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[berelinde]

beckaliz wrote...

Honestly I'm a little on the fence about Anders's hot-hot nomming kiss. But it's a superficial reason. The animation makes me cry a little.

Heh. None of the kissing animations quite line up, it's true. But usually, when I'm seeing it in game, I'm too much "Andraste's elbows, you waited long enough!" to care.

[Sialater]

berelinde wrote...

Sialater wrote...
The muse has almost convinced me the sequel to The Rescue should be a novelization of DA2.

Do it! Your muse should be allowed to roam free, not  be confined by the restrictive idiocy that is a 24-hour day. Seriously, though, if you feel inspired to write, do it. The act of creation, and all...

While I'd normally agree, I have four original novels in various stages of work and three massive fic novels.  Sleep and a healthy marriage?  Who needs em?

ETA:  I just hope I have Anders' "voice" down.

Modifié par Sialater, 22 juillet 2011 - 03:50 .

[Rinji the Bearded]

berelinde wrote...
Heh. None of the kissing animations quite line up, it's true. But usually, when I'm seeing it in game, I'm too much "Andraste's elbows, you waited long enough!" to care.

Fenris's kiss is HORRIBLY lined up.  I don't really care, I exploited the crap out of the game to make my fangirlish dreams come true.



I don't even care that he's wearing heavy armor.

[berelinde]

Is that your Hawke? He reminds me of Nathaniel. In a very good way.

[Rinji the Bearded]

berelinde wrote...

Is that your Hawke? He reminds me of Nathaniel. In a very good way.

Ahahaha no... my Hawke is


I just replaced his headmorph with Nathaniel's with some modding magic.  Just for the lulz.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 22 juillet 2011 - 03:54 .

[MG800]

Goddammit. Need to get something out of my system: I recall I once liked the idea of "healthy relationship" in the fiction. Now it all gone to hell. 
Rivalmance cold, arrogant, cynical magey/Anders. That's just... so full of mutual disdain...
It's not even "unhealthy", this relationship is a good source of self-loathing. But, funny story: I'm not completely sure how he'll react at Chantry Jenga, but if he doesn't decide to kill Anders, it's going to be almost...happy... ending. Except endgame is hardly an "ending".
Now that I finished, I'm going to say something ontopic: that's what I like in Anders romance. I'm not sure if you can reach such level of darkness, sickness and drama in the rivalmance with anyone else. And with every Hawke it's diffrent. And with friendmance... it's a completly different story.

Modifié par MG800, 22 juillet 2011 - 05:51 .

[beckaliz]

I'm interested in the dynamic of rivalmance + sparing Anders + siding w/ mages. I'll have to try it sometime I think. Maybe as a Fenris friendmance rebound?

[Arquen]

The rivalry is too sad. I did it once, and I literally have not felt more sympathy for Anders than I did playing his rival. I didn't rivalmance him, but I just rivaled him, and it was depressing enough!

It is a mercy to kill him on that path to me. He is utterly beyond redemption, help, and he will most likely be on constant suicide watch thereafter anyways. Plus, he doesn't trust you at all, and threatens to kill you like.. a couple of times. "your everything I hate!" -- I'm all... "you need help!" When he starts talking about the blackouts and losing himself I just want to be like "Noooo, it will be okay! No, don't give up yourself to this!" The conversation with Justice is truly frightening, and your like "oh maker, he's toast...."

I don't think I could do it again. It is just insane tragic. There is no romance as broken as Anders' I don't think. Fenris' romance is intense, full of ups and downs, but in the end is truly solid and hard fought. He is completely loyal to Hawke, and though is still to damaged to say "I love you" it is extremely obvious how he feels about you. It's a happy ending, and not the tragic "WTF did you DO!?" Anders ending. Nobody can compare to that insane pile of you know what....

[berelinde]

Arquen wrote...
... Fenris' romance is intense, full of ups and downs, but in the end is truly solid and hard fought. He is completely loyal to Hawke, and though is still to damaged to say "I love you" it is extremely obvious how he feels about you.

Does he show his never-declared-yet-unconditional love and complete loyalty by walking out on his lover who sides with the mages? Or is it some special way of holding his sword as he attacks her? Either can happen, if rivalry isn't completely maxed. Aveline, on the other hand, who isn't even remotely interested in Hawke and certainly never promised to remain with her for ever after, will never attack Hawke. The worst she'll do is go off to keep order in another part of the city. I'm not saying this to start a war. I'm just pointing out that under certain circumstances, Fenris will betray Hawke, no matter what promises he makes. On second thought, he never comes back at all if rivalry isn't maxed, does he? I forget. Does he do his "U MAD?" speech during the 100% QB or does it happen after his Act 3 quest?

Anders never promises uncoditional loyalty. He tells Hawke over and over that his cause must come first. It might not be what Hawke wants to hear, but it does show a degree of integrity. He loves Hawke no matter what, but he doesn't make promises that he might not be able to keep. That doesn't sound very much like a steaming pile.

Edit: And yeah, Anders's life is broken. It was never going to end well for him, even on the friendship path. On the rivalry path, death is the kindest thing you can do for him.

Modifié par berelinde, 22 juillet 2011 - 05:28 .

[MG800]

Arquen wrote...

The rivalry is too sad. I did it once, and I literally have not felt more sympathy for Anders than I did playing his rival. I didn't rivalmance him, but I just rivaled him, and it was depressing enough!

It is a mercy to kill him on that path to me. He is utterly beyond redemption, help, and he will most likely be on constant suicide watch thereafter anyways. Plus, he doesn't trust you at all, and threatens to kill you like.. a couple of times. "your everything I hate!" -- I'm all... "you need help!" When he starts talking about the blackouts and losing himself I just want to be like "Noooo, it will be okay! No, don't give up yourself to this!" The conversation with Justice is truly frightening, and your like "oh maker, he's toast...."

I don't think I could do it again. It is just insane tragic. There is no romance as broken as Anders' I don't think. Fenris' romance is intense, full of ups and downs, but in the end is truly solid and hard fought. He is completely loyal to Hawke, and though is still to damaged to say "I love you" it is extremely obvious how he feels about you. It's a happy ending, and not the tragic "WTF did you DO!?" Anders ending. Nobody can compare to that insane pile of you know what....

I'm not going to argue with that. But that's how I think "rivalmance" should feel like. Broken, hardly working and  barely possible. 
It's not so different with the others, thought definitly less tragedy and drama is involved. At least it seems so. Merril is "I know better what's good for you"; Fenris is some kind of  "slap slap kiss kiss leave, love". 

Isabela on the other hand, sleeps with a men/women who's incredibly boring but decent, she's frustrated, but her deep buried self-loathing and consience makes her step on the path of self-improvement. Something like "A **** and the stern priest" not without a lot of spanking involved.
It's still hardly working and barely possible but less broken.

Modifié par MG800, 22 juillet 2011 - 05:46 .

[CulturalGeekGirl]

I can imagine a Rivaled Anders being salvageable (Just probably not by Hawke), right up until you make him side with the Templars. That's the "point of no return" for me. After that, even if by some miracle you got him completely sane again, I don't think he could ever forgive himself for what he did there.

A Rival who sides with the mages though, that has potential. The divergent personalities provide interesting treatment opportunities that aren't present for friended Anders, and helping the mages would give Anders the ability to cling to a shred of hope that he wasn't a complete monster.

[leggywillow]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
A Rival who sides with the mages though, that has potential. The divergent personalities provide interesting treatment opportunities that aren't present for friended Anders, and helping the mages would give Anders the ability to cling to a shred of hope that he wasn't a complete monster.

This is what I'm doing in my playthrough that I just started.  My Hawke is a mage who gradually comes to see Anders' point of view.  She'll rack up enough rival points to max out rivalry by the middle of Act 2 most likely, which is also when she'll start to see Anders' side.  I'm RPing that she was a mage who was raised to run, and she'll sell out her fellow mages in a heartbeat to keep herself free.  She's terrified of the Circle, the templars, and herself.  Slowly Anders will help her see the value in standing and fighting instead of simply running.  It should be an interesting playthrough.

[Fluffenstein]

RinjiRenee wrote...

berelinde wrote...
Heh. None of the kissing animations quite line up, it's true. But usually, when I'm seeing it in game, I'm too much "Andraste's elbows, you waited long enough!" to care.

Fenris's kiss is HORRIBLY lined up.  I don't really care, I exploited the crap out of the game to make my fangirlish dreams come true.



I don't even care that he's wearing heavy armor.

Oh my god, that hawke is sexy. >_> He also reminds me of Nate, which is a very good thing.


...if only he was a LI too~  <insert dreamy nerd sigh>

Which I guess since that is kind of Nathaniels head it makes sense now. >_> I should read things before I go to quote them superfast.

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ALSO, I haven't tried to rivalmance Anders yet, I'm thinking of doing it with my next playthrough as a warrior and killing off both of my siblings, since I haven't tried that yet either. Of course though, there's no way I could side with the Templars, there's just something about them that really turns me off, and keeping people locked up to "keep others safe" doesn't seem like it's really working either, mages would probably be better off with their families going to a special school for mages while the templars check in on them every now and then. That's how I hope this ends for the mages, anyhoo.

Now, excuse me while I go run to a corner with my kitties while it storms because I am scared like that, and since the weatherman never told me it was going to storm today. ;~;

Modifié par Fluffenstein, 22 juillet 2011 - 07:38 .

[beckaliz]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

I can imagine a Rivaled Anders being salvageable (Just probably not by Hawke), right up until you make him side with the Templars. That's the "point of no return" for me. After that, even if by some miracle you got him completely sane again, I don't think he could ever forgive himself for what he did there.

A Rival who sides with the mages though, that has potential. The divergent personalities provide interesting treatment opportunities that aren't present for friended Anders, and helping the mages would give Anders the ability to cling to a shred of hope that he wasn't a complete monster.

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Actually I read a short fic about a rival Andersmance Hawke who at the end actually took second seat and said something along the lines of, "I don't know if I believe in his cause, but I believe in him, and I'll follow him." Or something like that. I also want to do this because the whole manifesto thing during the QB is soooooooooooooo cute. His little, "What do you think?" line. Oh, my heart! *faint*

Rivalmancing Anders and then siding with the Mages is also saying you believe in his cause but you think that what he did with Justice was a big no-no. It's a good way to get a realistic balance I think.

[Sialater]

beckaliz wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

I can imagine a Rivaled Anders being salvageable (Just probably not by Hawke), right up until you make him side with the Templars. That's the "point of no return" for me. After that, even if by some miracle you got him completely sane again, I don't think he could ever forgive himself for what he did there.

A Rival who sides with the mages though, that has potential. The divergent personalities provide interesting treatment opportunities that aren't present for friended Anders, and helping the mages would give Anders the ability to cling to a shred of hope that he wasn't a complete monster.

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Actually I read a short fic about a rival Andersmance Hawke who at the end actually took second seat and said something along the lines of, "I don't know if I believe in his cause, but I believe in him, and I'll follow him." Or something like that. I also want to do this because the whole manifesto thing during the QB is soooooooooooooo cute. His little, "What do you think?" line. Oh, my heart! *faint*

Rivalmancing Anders and then siding with the Mages is also saying you believe in his cause but you think that what he did with Justice was a big no-no. It's a good way to get a realistic balance I think.

The only problem is that his speech doesn't differ from Friendmance to Rivalmance when siding with the mages.  There should be SOMETHING there that acknowledges the different paths.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

This is one of those things I boil down to "time." There are quite a few "there should be X variation in dialogue" moments in the game that I feel would have been ironed out in the next dialogue pass. But you know, them's the breaks.

[Sialater]

True... but it's annoying.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Fanfiction to the rescue?

I'm just sayin'.

Edit to say: oddly enough, this is the first fandom where I've ever felt that was a valid answer to a writing problem. But for some reason, it works for me. A lot of fanworks have become headcanon for me, which has pretty much never happened before.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 22 juillet 2011 - 08:27 .

[Sialater]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Fanfiction to the rescue?

I'm just sayin'.

Edit to say: oddly enough, this is the first fandom where I've ever felt that was a valid answer to a writing problem. But for some reason, it works for me. A lot of fanworks have become headcanon for me, which has pretty much never happened before.

Which is why I'm even considering a novelization. 

[Furtled]

beckaliz wrote...
Honestly I'm a little on the fence about Anders's hot-hot nomming kiss. But it's a superficial reason. The animation makes me cry a little.

I was fine with it at first, odd vocals and all.  Ever since I connected the VA with his character in Casualty though, well, I can't stop laughing when I see it because my brain's doing it's best to imagine Adam Howden doing those noises in the sound booth.

On Fenris - my Hawkes have generally cut him some slack since the only memories he has are of being a slave, then a slave on the run. At least Anders has a lifetime of good memories (along with the bad) behind him. Mind I did shout at the screen when he ratted out Hawke to Meredith at one point, never wanted to thump a virtual person more (aside from Anders in my fist play through).

Modifié par Furtled, 22 juillet 2011 - 08:43 .

[Fluffenstein]

I'd jump on a novel that was based around Anders from what happened between Awakening and DA2, plus one that happened to him while he was stuck in the circle.

[Fluffenstein]

Furtled wrote...

beckaliz wrote...
Honestly I'm a little on the fence about Anders's hot-hot nomming kiss. But it's a superficial reason. The animation makes me cry a little.

I was fine with it at first, odd vocals and all.  Ever since I connected the VA with his character in Casualty though, well, I can't stop laughing when I see it because my brain's doing it's best to imagine Adam Howden doing those noises in the sound booth.

Lmao that's what I think everytime I hear something that would make me blush like a madman if I were the voice actor, they'd have to get all of my giggles and laughs out before I could do something even remotely close to those little makeout noises.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Still... little makeout noises. So sexy. I still feel a tightness in my chest during that scene. There is something seriously wrong with me.

It's not the embarrassment that makes me wonder, it's the technique. Is there foley involved? Is he like, kissing his own arm into the mic? Are the sounds he made actually that loud in relation to the dialogue, or were they amplified in comparison to make them more audible, like they would be if he were really that close?

These are the things I think as an actor, even though I haven't been one for many years and only did voiceover for radio and fanworks.

EDIT: GODDAMIT I USED THE WRONG THERE AND SOMEONE QUOTED IT. /WEEPS

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 22 juillet 2011 - 08:51 .

[Furtled]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
It's not the embarrassment that makes me wonder, it's the technique. Is their foley involved? Is he like, kissing his own arm into the mic? Are the sounds he made actually that loud in relation to the dialogue, or were they amplified in comparison to make them more audible, like they would be if he were really that close?

I am in no way now considering getting a microphone out and experimenting to see what works - not at all...