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[Sinaxi]

I wasn't saying I wouldn't want to help Anders, obviously I would. But CGG was talking about the reasons she didn't want it to happen in a DLC, and I was saying I don't see why that would have to be put into a DLC or Anders storyline at all. Not that I don't think he deserves to be helped or want him to continue suffering. I would be great with Anders being free of Justice, I think regardless he would still be a changed man and he wouldn't just snap back to being like he was in Awakenings if he was free from Justice. He would probably be a lot of the same, just not as single-minded because of Justice's pressure.

As far as the war not being important, it's the single thing that is driving Anders character atm so why on earth people think it wouldn't be important to explore that war is beyond me. Anders ending just being "run off with Hawke" with no mention of what he's doing to help the cause that HE started would be a joke. I think it would be a joke in general if we weren't able to experience the war that we practically helped cause by sparing Anders and going against the Templars if you chose that route.

Doing it with Morrigan doesn't necessarily "tarnish" the relationship, one of them was going to die anyways and they both knew this so it's just as much as sacrifice as dying for each other would have been. It's pretty obvious from DA2 that Alistair is happily married lol. I'm just saying it's bound to be an awkward conversation if it's brought up, since it's technically "his kid" even though honestly I don't think there is much of Alistair or Morrigan in the child, given a soul of an Old God went inside it so I don't think it'd be like he was missing out on his actual son or something, because I don't think that person is really inside there. But it's still a weird thing, to not know your kid...but Alistair probably doesn't even consider the child his kid.

I suppose I don't consider him tragic since I think most of those choices involve your warden being an ahole which is just my opinion. I couldn't stand Anora, and I gladly let Alistair kill Loghain. Tragic ending to me is him dying for the Warden he loves, because it's the only option I could see happening in my own playthroughs. Otherwise, yes, it's completely tragic if other Wardens just let Alistair become a wandering drunk by sparing Loghain or coupling him with that snake Anora.The difference is that Anders is tragic no matter what you do. It also depends on perspective, while most Anders fans view him as a great dynamic and tragic character...there are others who simply don't give a damn and just label him as a douchebag that blew up a "nice old lady". Which i completely disagree with since Elthina can suck it. But regardless of what they think  it's still tragic either way since those people usually kill him lol


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TRAGICALLY BEAUTIFUL MAYBEEE. I think yesss.

Modifié par Tidra, 27 juillet 2011 - 05:58 .

[ladyofpayne]

salemslot wrote...

The Carver Jig

please with Anders model.

[Nilfalasiel]

Tidra wrote...

I wasn't saying I wouldn't want to help Anders, obviously I would. But CGG was talking about the reasons she didn't want it to happen in a DLC, and I was saying I don't see why that would have to be put into a DLC or Anders storyline at all. Not that I don't think he deserves to be helped or want him to continue suffering. I would be great with Anders being free of Justice, I think regardless he would still be a changed man and he wouldn't just snap back to being like he was in Awakenings if he was free from Justice. He would probably be a lot of the same, just not as single-minded because of Justice's pressure.

Well, again, besides the war (which I don't think can be adequately handled in just a DLC), what else is there that's important about Anders' storyline? If there's a DLC that's centred on him, there's little else it could focus on.

As far as the war not being important, it's the single thing that is driving Anders character atm so why on earth people think it wouldn't be important to explore that war is beyond me. Anders ending just being "run off with Hawke" with no mention of what he's doing to help the cause that HE started would be a joke. I think it would be a joke in general if we weren't able to experience the war that we practically helped cause by sparing Anders and going against the Templars if you chose that route.

Yep, agreed. But the best way to handle it would either be to make an expansion à la Awakening or to include it in DA3. A simple DLC wouldn't cut it, IMO.

Doing it with Morrigan doesn't necessarily "tarnish" the relationship, one of them was going to die anyways and they both knew this so it's just as much as sacrifice as dying for each other would have been. It's pretty obvious from DA2 that Alistair is happily married lol. I'm just saying it's bound to be an awkward conversation if it's brought up, since it's technically "his kid" even though honestly I don't think there is much of Alistair or Morrigan in the child, given a soul of an Old God went inside it so I don't think it'd be like he was missing out on his actual son or something, because I don't think that person is really inside there. But it's still a weird thing, to not know your kid...but Alistair probably doesn't even consider the child his kid.

It's still Alistair having sex with a different woman while in a relationship with the Warden and keeping memories of it afterwards. Yes, it's necessary for survival, yes, he dislikes her, but it would definitely throw a damper on any conversation if ever brought up afterwards. Ironically, it's the fact that he's still alive afterwards that makes it worse: dying for the one you love is heroic. Having sex with someone else...nnnooot quite as much. I'm sure the Warden would wonder at least once something along the lines of "was she better than me?". And since Alistair's romance is otherwise very "prince charming in shiny armour": it makes for quite a big contrast. Like a worm in an otherwise perfect-looking apple.

I suppose I don't consider him tragic since I think most of those choices involve your warden being an ahole which is just my opinion. I couldn't stand Anora, and I gladly let Alistair kill Loghain. Tragic ending to me is him dying for the Warden he loves, because it's the only option I could see happening in my own playthroughs. Otherwise, yes, it's completely tragic if other Wardens just let Alistair become a wandering drunk by sparing Loghain or coupling him with that snake Anora.

My F!Aeducan married Alistair to Anora, spared Loghain and fed him to the Archdemon. Considering her politics-steeped background, it made sense: put a strong ruling pair on the throne to balance each other out and put Loghain's self-proclaimed loyalty to Ferelden to good use. It's a pretty lousy deal for Alistair personally, but she thought it was necessary.

That being said, if it didn't make Alistair throw a hissy fit and storm off unless you marry him to Anora (and I don't like putting her on the throne in any way, shape or form), most of my Wardens would spare Loghain. Executing a man who has already surrendered in front of his own daughter doesn't exactly sit very comfortably with me. And it allows him to be useful, as well as providing poetic justice.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 27 juillet 2011 - 06:43 .

[Fluffenstein]

Tidra wrote...

KawaiiKatie wrote...

Fluffenstein wrote...

I wanna see my Hawke and Anders running away together after the mess they caused.

That would be amazing! I'd also really love to see that kind of sequel-esque DLC, especially from the perspective of a Hawke who ran off with Anders.

I doubt we'd ever get that kind of DLC, though... I mean, what would those who killed off Anders do? 

Dumb Anders-murderers.... ruining my epilogue with my beloved blond apostate....

Yeahhh, it's just going to really bug me if we don't even get to play out the mage-templar war with Hawke (which includes a romanced Anders) I doubt they'll do this since his killing is pretty important, but I'd love it if they totally stuck it to all the people who killed him and brought him back to life in DA3 or something ahaha. So many people would be pissed and I would be laughing at them 

Hah, or it could have been like the ending of Awakenings where he comes back anyways. Anders is invincible. Though yeah, I read somewhere that if you killed him his death was final. I was hoping he'd become a main character in the games to come because of the starting a whole war thing.
 
EDIT: I also don't think that Anders can be 'helped' anymore at this point, maybe in Act 1, but it's gone too far now. I just want to know how exactly things are playing out as Anders continues his downward spiral with Hawke right there next to him, support him the best way "the Hawke" can. I could see that jig coming into play at some point, but at the exact same time, that jig isn't going to help him in the long run, nothing really is. I can see his only anchor being Hawke at this point as they ran from templars and mad chantry peoples. And when it's Anders time for the calling, which makes me sad to think about, I imagine my Hawke going with him so they can both die down there together, fighting till the last minute and dieing hand-in-hand. (Man, if I seen two skeletons holding hands I'd probably tear up, it's just depressing.)

Modifié par Fluffenstein, 27 juillet 2011 - 06:53 .

[Sialater]

So many walls of text....

Ack! I just need to get Legacy. And then replay Margaret.

[leggywillow]

Fluffenstein wrote...
Hah, or it could have been like the ending of Awakenings where he comes back anyways. Anders is invincible. Though yeah, I read somewhere that if you killed him his death was final. I was hoping he'd become a main character in the games to come because of the starting a whole war thing.

Speaking of Anders coming back anyway, did anyone else get the banter with Isabela in which Anders addresses one of the possible Awakening epilogues?  Something about how he loved ships, and even spread rumors around saying that he was taking a ship to... somewhere, I don't remember.  He tells Isabela that he even dropped her name once, I think.  Nice reference to the "Anders was last seen on a pirate ship with a familiar woman" epilogue.

[Jean]

salemslot wrote...

The Carver Jig

looooooool

[SurelyForth]

leggywillow wrote...

Fluffenstein wrote...
Hah, or it could have been like the ending of Awakenings where he comes back anyways. Anders is invincible. Though yeah, I read somewhere that if you killed him his death was final. I was hoping he'd become a main character in the games to come because of the starting a whole war thing.

Speaking of Anders coming back anyway, did anyone else get the banter with Isabela in which Anders addresses one of the possible Awakening epilogues?  Something about how he loved ships, and even spread rumors around saying that he was taking a ship to... somewhere, I don't remember.  He tells Isabela that he even dropped her name once, I think.  Nice reference to the "Anders was last seen on a pirate ship with a familiar woman" epilogue.

Awesome!

And that's an interesting tidbit, too. Makes my endgame plan of my Hawke dragging him off on Isabela's ship that much better!

LOL So pretty much the only epilogue they're never going to address is the one where he stays with the Wardens! Maybe he has a clone who he paid to pretend to be him. Boy, that's going to be awkward if he ever runs into the WC!

Modifié par SurelyForth, 27 juillet 2011 - 07:14 .

[Sinaxi]

Nilfalasiel wrote...
Yep, agreed. But the best way to handle it would either be to make an expansion à la Awakening or to include it in DA3. A simple DLC wouldn't cut it, IMO.

Oh, no, that's what I meant. I want it to be in DA3, and if it's not it would have to be like an expansion, not just a simple DLC. I don't think they'd do that to us, though, would they? Like...not continue the storyline that they left on a complete cliffhanger >.> That would suck if it was like only mentioned briefly or something in DA3 or we were playing a totally different character that wasn't invested in it as much.

It's still Alistair having sex with a different woman while in a relationship with the Warden and keeping memories of it afterwards. Yes, it's necessary for survival, yes, he dislikes her, but it would definitely throw a damper on any conversation if ever brought up afterwards. Ironically, it's the fact that he's still alive afterwards that makes it worse: dying for the one you love is heroic. Having sex with someone else...nnnooot quite as much. I'm sure the Warden would wonder at least once something along the lines of "was she better than me?". And since Alistair's romance is otherwise very "prince charming in shiny armour": it makes for quite a big contrast. Like a worm in an otherwise perfect-looking apple.

Hah. Believe me I know, that scene where they do it I was like cringing so bad. I couldn't tell if he was freaked out or if he was looking forward to it because they put the ODDEST expression on his face. It was...weird. So yeah, my Warden is definitely thinking that because Morrigan is HOT. I'd totally have gone lesbo for her in a PT if it was available ahaha. But, as far as memories, besides the thoughts of what happened with her and the kid I don't think they are like actively thinking about how they had sex. It's done, it happened. It saved both our lives, and it allowed us to be married and together. It's like a blessing in a really bad disguise, and my character is grateful to Morrigan for that despite her ulterior motives. There's still residual jealousy there, but I don't think it's all that necessary. It was only sex to Morrigan, and even if she was good Alistair probably wouldn't want to be spending his days doing Morrigan when he could be doing the woman he loves lol.

I really like the comic that Gaider worked up that was supposed to be in the game but was cut, where it's like Morrigan battling with herself about having to ask her ONLY friend to let her sleep with the man she loves. It was really touching to me, for someone like Morrigan to show her regret. So that's another reason why that isn't like such a huge deal to me I guess, because I know some part of her actually cared despite everything.

[Jean]

I was looooling so bad during the entire scene where I had to convince him to do it and by the actual scene itself.
Morrigan was warden's bff they can share alibear

[Sialater]

So... am I the only one who's Warden wasn't bothered by Morrigan's offer? She knew Alistair hated her and only did it to save their lives. But then, Moira's a bit too pragmatic.

I do have an HNF and yeah, the only "happy ending" is possible for an HNM. Emma will always wonder....

I do have to wonder how my Anders-romancing Hawke (or even the Fen-girl) would have approached Morrigan's deal. And what Anders' response would be.

[Ryzaki]

I don't know. My Warden was. She hated Morrigan and didn't trust her in the least. The feeling was mutual. I think I might redo her so she does the US instead. That lame stab didn't cut it.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 juillet 2011 - 07:26 .

[Sinaxi]

Sialater wrote...

So... am I the only one who's Warden wasn't bothered by Morrigan's offer? She knew Alistair hated her and only did it to save their lives. But then, Moira's a bit too pragmatic.

I do have an HNF and yeah, the only "happy ending" is possible for an HNM. Emma will always wonder....

I do have to wonder how my Anders-romancing Hawke (or even the Fen-girl) would have approached Morrigan's deal. And what Anders' response would be.

It didn't really bother me, like I said it's like a blessing in a really bad disguise, and my Warden isn't really worried about Alistair thinking Morrigan was "better". In my head my Warden can sastify Alistair juuuustt finneee. Haha. That, and yeah, Morrigan was like my Warden's BFF. Her end speech at the final battle was always the saddest to me, I loved her so much. "I knew nothing of friendship before I met you. Live well, my friend. Live gloriously." She said something along those lines.

But uh, yeah....I'm not sure how Hawke would feel about someone wanting to sex Anders. Not that I don't think he's as loyal as Alistair, since he definitely is in DA2 but like..idk. It weirds me out. Hahaa. In either case it's weird, but if it's necessary I'm sure I'd have to let it happen lol.

[Toastyblue2]

Sialater wrote...

So... am I the only one who's Warden wasn't bothered by Morrigan's offer?.

My Warden/Queen wasn't so much bothered by the act itself and what it implied. She knew that Warden + Warden = no kids, ever, and very likely, in order to have an heir, she and Alistair would end up sleeping with other people and then claiming a resulting child as the heir. If even that worked, which was unlikely.

She was more concerned with the liability of a child of Theirin blood running around, with an unknown amount of power, and the possibility of that child being a male and possibly wanting the throne.

Is that weird?

And to keep things on topic, have an amazing picture by Nightlyre.

[cleosilver]

panamakira wrote...

[Spoiler]



I thought bringing Anders to the DLC gave a lot more insights to the whole "..were mages really responsible for the Blights?" That seems to be the case, as given by Anders puppy face at finding the medallion at the end. But there seems to be more to the Chantry being right about everything.

It wasn't mages that were responsible. It was the greed of men. That they were mages just meant they had the power to do it.

[Sinaxi]

Teehee!

[Kahlandra]

Much love to the Anders thread! Especially for introducing me to the sexy awesomeness which is The Box (http://dragonage-kin...982832#t6982832). I have now realised though that I am never going to catch up on 3 months worth of pages so I thought I'd skip to the end so I can add a post of my own!

I am loving Anders in Legacy too, and was just as surprised as him by the ending! As for the future of Anders love in more DLC and DA3, I think other DLC's will be set before end as this one was. But the cliffhanger ending makes me sure that Cassandra will find Hawke either in a big expansion for DA2 or DA3 and I'm sure that Varric will be right about the LI not leaving Hawke's side. Also ME gives me hope in that I'm sure we're going to see quite a bit of Kaidan in ME3 (yay!) and he will be dead in a lot of people's saves.

[elenilote]

 

My commission from the amazing and adorable Yamisnuffles! Features Danny and Anders having a bath and it's based on my fic 'Washing away our fears'

[CulturalGeekGirl]

The conversation has kind of gotten away from me at this point, but a few notes before I drag myself away.

My original ramble was just that: a ramble. While thinking about the difficulty inherent in implementing a new major after-chantry storyline for Anders, it just seemed like it wouldn't work very smoothly in the context of an ensemble piece, which these games are.

Would it make story sense for Anders and Hawke to be major players in DA3? Yes. Is it likely to happen? I don't think so. Partially because he monopolized the story of this game, and having him be equally important in the sequel might leave other LIs looking slighted; partially because so many people kill him; and partially because his end-states are so hugely different depending on whether he's friended or rivaled. Giving him the development and focus that his narrative deserves seems inherently at odds with an ensemble-cast game where all the LIs are meant to have similar amounts of content.

I don't assume that post-chantry DLC or DA3 will be about helping him. But if it's about being with him at all after the events of the Chantry, either he's going to continue the decline that's been happening the entire game, or he isn't. And that's where I got started on this rant... several people said they wanted a post-chantry epilogue DLC, or for Hawke and Anders to be major players in DA3, and I'm just not sure how that would work considering the different endings. Of course, maybe they planned for this from the beginning, and Hawke + all the LIs are coming back for DA3 with all their variables accounted for.

[Toastyblue2]

Tidra wrote...



Teehee!

Anders, don't look so bashful. It's not like you've never done this before. :innocent:

[Nilfalasiel]

Toastyblue2 wrote...
Anders, don't look so bashful. It's not like you've never done this before. :innocent:

Anders has. Justice hasn't.

He might also be praying that Justice doesn't pop up at the wrong moment.

[Sinaxi]

Rofl, yeah. First thing he says when he walks is in "Justice does not approve of my obsession with you."
Hawke: Well who gives a **** what Justice doesn't approve of?!?!
Then he gets all mad when you call it a threesome haha.

Yeah, it might be sort of weird for him to be doing this again post-Justice merger. That, and, he totally hearts Hawke like an ungodly amount so he wants it to go right lol.

[YamiSnuffles]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Toastyblue2 wrote...
Anders, don't look so bashful. It's not like you've never done this before. :innocent:

Anders has. Justice hasn't.

He might also be praying that Justice doesn't pop up at the wrong moment.

I bow to your word choice there.

[leggywillow]

Sialater wrote...

So... am I the only one who's Warden wasn't bothered by Morrigan's offer? She knew Alistair hated her and only did it to save their lives. But then, Moira's a bit too pragmatic.

It depends on the Warden.  I did the DR with 4 of my 6 Wardens: Cousland, Amell, Tabris, and Surana.  Amell and Surana really didn't care.  Anders (see that on-topicness!) confirms that the Ferelden Circle is pretty open about sexuality, so my mages were always pretty open about it.  Love and sex were not mutually inclusive, as it were.  (Surana was pretty confused when Alistair insisted that she choose between him and Leliana... she was only sleeping with Leliana, surely that doesn't matter.)  They really didn't care about Alistair sleeping with Morrigan.  Tabris didn't care too much either, but I don't have particularly strong RP reasons for it.  Cousland is the only one bothered by it, and that's less about the sex and more because she feels like she let her desires get in the way of her duty.  She had a lot of sleepless nights worrying about the future result of her selfishness.

[ipgd]

Sialater wrote...

So... am I the only one who's Warden wasn't bothered by Morrigan's offer?

Never bothered mine, but I have creative and unpopular opinions of monogamy.