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Kawamura

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ipgd wrote...

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How could he control a non-darkspawn anyway? I thought Grey Wardens only heard the song, but were not compelled to action by them.

The Grey Wardens are technically ghouls, but the taint is delayed. If the Warden doesn't die immediately around the time he begins to hear the Calling, he does eventually turn into a full ghoul. I assume such close proximity to the song just makes it more immediate even to less progressed Wardens.


I also imagine Justice being around makes Anders more susceptible: Justice has got to be doing a number on his mental version of an immune system, so any other attack has got to be more problematic.

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I interpreted Anders/Justice's freak-out as basically that: a freak-out. He was hearing the "song" from Corypheus, and it's established (if you read the little codex things throughout) that mages are far more susceptible to Corypheus' call than any other grey warden. Note: Janeka (sp?) that crazy warden trying to free him is a mage, herself. I'm guessing magic calls to magic in this case. The fact that Anders went berserk shows that he was actually resisting the call.

Also, we have no idea how Justice's presence in Anders affects the taint inside him. Does it accelerate it? Does it make the song stronger, even though he's not close to being full ghoul yet?

Anyone else side with Larius and swear Corypheus pulled an archdemon and his essence jumped into him? Regardless, this DLC raises some fascinating questions about the nature of the first Darkspawn magisters, the Old Gods, all their connections, and how they work.

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Mages seem to be more susceptible to everything, it seems. Talk about glass cannons.

I wonder when people stopped all being a little magical. I wonder if it has to do with the Darkspawn and the like. And I find it curious that there was no option to not save Corypheus in this.

I also wish blood magic was touched upon more. I always see my Hawke as having learned blood magic from his dad, who did Something Terrible, and this sorta strengthens that little personal canon thing.

Bah. Can you imagine Justice as a ghoul? Anders is getting cannabilized twice over, by the Taint, by Justice.

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Kawamura wrote...

Mages seem to be more susceptible to everything, it seems. Talk about glass cannons.

I wonder when people stopped all being a little magical. I wonder if it has to do with the Darkspawn and the like. And I find it curious that there was no option to not save Corypheus in this.

I also wish blood magic was touched upon more. I always see my Hawke as having learned blood magic from his dad, who did Something Terrible, and this sorta strengthens that little personal canon thing.

Bah. Can you imagine Justice as a ghoul? Anders is getting cannabilized twice over, by the Taint, by Justice.


My canon for the longest time was that Hawke's father was a blood mage.  So I am in that boat with you.

I don't want to think of Justice as a ghoul, he already was a zombie >_> and I still love him.

I feel bad for mages, all that power and their minds seem so delicate.  I often wonder if they are more easy to sway with demons because they can offer what they are denined or never really get to experience. Like love or a small feeling of pride when you do something right. 

I mean the old Tevinter mages didn't know what it was to be in what can be a prison like place, so they only sought power.  Mages now, are denied so much they crave it and I think that is what makes them seem weak now.  But that just my mind working on some outlandish possiblity for things.

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How does the Call work anyway? If the Call travels through the Fade or something (since the taint makes you dream about darkspawn, archdemons, and all that fun stuff) then it makes sense that mages would be more susceptible. It would also make sense that it would make Anders freak out the most, since he's got a little piece of the Fade living in him at all times.

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I also think it's interesting that only the Elves remember a time when everyone had magic. That begs the question: did the elves keep the whole "everyone has magic" bit going longer? Was there a time before when all humans had deep juju magic, like the elves?

During the elftimes, there isn't much talk of demons. I wonder if demons existed then, and were less plentiful, or if mages were simply stronger?

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One of Anders' descendants?

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Regarding Malcolm, I interpreted the DLC as saying he wasn't really a blood mage. He was manipulated into using blood magic by the wardens to save the lives of his wife and unborn child, but he didn't seem to use it willingly. His statement about magic being used to serve the best in him also seems like he would have dismissed blood magic as being too (potentially) evil. I personally don't see Hawke learning blood magic from him. Especially because Hawke expresses incredulity when he learns his father was involved with this mess. He says, "My father was a blood Mage?!" I don't see him having that reaction if his father actually taught him those arts.

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CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

I also think it's interesting that only the Elves remember a time when everyone had magic. That begs the question: did the elves keep the whole "everyone has magic" bit going longer? Was there a time before when all humans had deep juju magic, like the elves?

During the elftimes, there isn't much talk of demons. I wonder if demons existed then, and were less plentiful, or if mages were simply stronger?


What if demons were once fallen mages or something?

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Upsettingshorts wrote...

Ipgd and Rinji are boys?

I've been having gay cybersex all this time?!?


Are you going to start calling our times together a retcon now?!

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RinjiRenee wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Ipgd and Rinji are boys?

I've been having gay cybersex all this time?!?


Are you going to start calling our times together a retcon now?!

Obviously. It would be out of character for Shorts to suddenly show homosexual desires. Yet another case of character derailment and politically correct pandering.

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CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

During the elftimes, there isn't much talk of demons. I wonder if demons existed then, and were less plentiful, or if mages were simply stronger?


From the way Merrill talks, I wonder if they just never really distinguished? She doesn't seem to really differentiate between demon and spirit beyond using the names for them occasionally. Doesn't she specifically say something like this in party banter, or am I not remembering correctly? I know she says that all spirits require caution, and how she understands that and Anders doesn't.

Modifié par Mekarah, 28 juillet 2011 - 07:41 .


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ipgd wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...
Ipgd and Rinji are boys?
I've been having gay cybersex all this time?!?

Are you going to start calling our times together a retcon now?!

Obviously. It would be out of character for Shorts to suddenly show homosexual desires. Yet another case of character derailment and politically correct pandering.

Y U NO RISPEKT LOOR?

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Mekarah wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

During the elftimes, there isn't much talk of demons. I wonder if demons existed then, and were less plentiful, or if mages were simply stronger?


From the way Merrill talks, I wonder if they just never really distinguished? She doesn't seem to really differentiate between demon and spirit beyond using the names for them occasionally. Doesn't she specifically say something like this in party banter, or am I not remembering correctly? I know she says that all spirits require caution, and how she understands that and Anders doesn't.


Yep, she does.  After Dissent.

I take her attitude towards spirits and extend that to elves in general: they have tales about their gods, and their gods existed in this world, not the Fade (or the Beyond).  The Fade is simply a different world, and the spirits inhabit it, like people do this world.  And just like people, every spirit is different, some nice, some mean, some apathetic, etc.  Since the two worlds are so different, the inhabitants of each don't see eye to eye with the other world's denizens, therefore any interaction is potentially dangerous.  It could possibly be seen as a dangerous chemical reaction of sorts. 

Regardless, the only thing that seems to separate demons from any other spirit is their drive to experience the mortal world for themselves by any means necessary.  To me, Justice's desire to remain in the mortal realm wasn't completely selfish like it would be for a demon.  He wished to help Anders and by doing so still cling to his purpose.  He also recognizes Anders as a person and doesn't completely take over the way demons seem to in other abominations.  He walks a thin line, and I don't think there really is a good definition for him between "spirit" and "demon."  For Merrill, this isn't a problem, though, because she doesn't distinguish between the two.

Modifié par Evilnor, 28 juillet 2011 - 08:08 .


#50090
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River5 wrote...

Whoohoohoo!  2000!!!  :o

To celebrate, let's follow the magic balls!  :P

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Also, I'm totally having a sandwich!  :D

Kisses for everyone!!!  :wub:


I see what you did there

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When does Anders mention Sigrun?

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LT123 wrote...

When does Anders mention Sigrun?


I wish to know this as well

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it's when you first find the legionnaire's body but before you read its letter.

oddly, i had varric and aveline in my party and he mentioned her by name. my friend had carver and fenris, no varric, and the dialogue still happened but he said he couldn't remember her name.

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Batteries wrote...

LT123 wrote...

When does Anders mention Sigrun?


I wish to know this as well


I don't remember the exact words, but when you're underground in the Deep Roads, your party can encounter a dwarf body in Legion of the Dead armor. Anders (in my playthrough, anyway) then mentioned that he used to have a friend in the Legion.

I don't remember exactly what was said, but he *did* seem to remember her fondly.

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iirc he says he used to have a friend in the legion, sigrun, "not nearly as dour as you would guess." like i mentioned, he can also forget her name entirely.

which is strange.

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ademska wrote...

it's when you first find the legionnaire's body but before you read its letter.

oddly, i had varric and aveline in my party and he mentioned her by name. my friend had carver and fenris, no varric, and the dialogue still happened but he said he couldn't remember her name.


Maybe it depends on whether she's dead or alive? :blush:

The Anders freak-out was the fastest I've gone from laughing-at Hawke's "I can't take you anywhere"- to "Oh crap!" in a while.

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If you didn't recruit Sigrun he just says that he met a Legionnaire once. 9-9

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Batteries wrote...

River5 wrote...

Whoohoohoo!  2000!!! 

To celebrate, let's follow the magic balls! 

Posted Image
thelostgirl21.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d3jm7i8

Also, I'm totally having a sandwich! 
Kisses for everyone!!!  


I see what you did there

 

HAHAHAHA A_HOWDZ twitter reference... Priceless.

Oh, yeah, your sandwich. Is that... what, his favorite kind of sandwich??

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Apparently without Varric in the party, Anders can't remember Sigrun's name for some reason.  I guess all of his dwarf-related memories are tied to Varric somehow.  ::shrug::

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leggywillow wrote...

Apparently without Varric in the party, Anders can't remember Sigrun's name for some reason.  I guess all of his dwarf-related memories are tied to Varric somehow.  ::shrug::


Yet Varric has not triggered Oghren...or Anders forgot him on purpose...