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[mellifera]

ipgd wrote...

ALSO COMPLETELY UNRELATED POST ABOUT GAMLEN BECAUSE HE IS ONE COOL GUY

Gamlen I love you plz move into the estate. I can't wait for you to inevitably make some crass comment about how Anders screams all night :')

[Sinaxi]

tmp7704 wrote...

Is Carver such a delicate flower that he can't help but resort to "WAH! You're a Mage! I'll turn you in!" I mean, come on. This point is just stupid to talk about, because they both could have handled it differently.

We only talk about it because you've made a fuss over how Carver threatens Anders and how that shows what a meanie Carver is   Personally i don't see any real problem with this sequence -- Anders is being the usual ass, Carver is being ass in response.

Uh, okay? Where did I even "make a fuss" about this? The only thing I even said in relation to that situation was that Carver threatened Anders implying he would turn him in. The only reason "we" are even talking about anything is because you apparently took offense to me saying I would kill Carver if he joined the Templars based on my own opinion that Malcolm didn't agree with the Circle system...and because my Hawke would be pretty offended by this. Nothing to do with the fact that he had a friend that was a Templar and named Carver after said Templar. I never said Malcolm had a chip on his shoulder about Templars, all I was saying is he didn't agree with the institution as a whole.

Nor did I ever say Carver was a "meanie". I went on to say that I felt like his reasons for joining the Templars were not in hopes of doing any good, to me it was a spiteful decision and that is why I brought up the fact that he threatened Anders, and then brought up all his actions in the end game of Last Straw. Not because I think it's some huge deal that he threatened Anders when Anders was being a jerk to him, but because it was still something worth noting when you suggested the only reason Anders was able to remain free was because of Carver sticking his neck out for him or something which I disagree with. Carver might not have ratted out Hawke's friends, but like I said in yet another post of mine, he wouldn't hesitate to pick them all up for being apostates if he was ordered to do so. He only stood up for Hawke in the Last Straw when he realized Meredith was going to kill them, other than that he was a perfect lap dog.

I've acted this way in response to the implication that Carver becoming a templar was somehow grave offense to the memory of the Father, and one you'd want to kill him for. To put it differently, the idea of wanting to kill a guy because he become someone he got named after struck me as acting hollier than the pope, so to speak -- if Malcolm Hawke felt similarly about the thought of his child becoming associated with the templars, he wouldn't have named said child after one, imo.

Lol. Okay, really? It's a figure of speech, and I even stated afterwards that I was just ranting. If I had the actual story choice in game to kill my brother or not after he became a Templar I would not take it. So, lighten up. And like I said before, I don't view Carver joining the Templars as being in hopes to bring about change or anything of the sort - and that is my own opinion because the decision itself was spiteful to me. So I don't see how he "became like the Carver" he was named after besides the fact that he took up the same job. This conversation also happened like 8 pages ago, I thought we were done with this but apparently not.

But yes, I am much more "HOLIER THAN THOU" THAN THE POPE. Carver MUST DIE! Geez, give me a break.

[mellifera]

By the way, does anyone know how to trigger the whole "Ooh, baby" thing with Hawke and Anders? There's so much banter, never thought I'd say that about a DLC, since squadmates/companions are notoriously mute during them...

[ipgd]

yukidama wrote...

By the way, does anyone know how to trigger the whole "Ooh, baby" thing with Hawke and Anders? There's so much banter, never thought I'd say that about a DLC, since squadmates/companions are notoriously mute during them...

I'm not sure if it's even in the game proper? It sounds more like a staged conversation sort of thing than a banter, but i dunno.

[YamiSnuffles]

What Anders has under his chastity robes:


Inspired by this picture comparison.

Modifié par YamiSnuffles, 29 juillet 2011 - 10:21 .

[mellifera]

Wat...

Modifié par yukidama, 29 juillet 2011 - 10:20 .

[ashyraine]

*is dead from laughing*

[LT123]

My eyes!




Anybody remember what Hawke says for the paraphrase "Maybe the Chantry's right about other things" when you pick up the amulet after the final boss fight? I just remember going, "No, that's not what I meant!" But then I didn't want to redo the final boss fight to click the other option. And it was about midnight the first time I played through it, so I actually missed looting the corpse. *ashamed*

I wonder whether Anders thinks the Chantry's story about the magisters and the Golden City is legitimately ridiculous, or if he's just saying that just to be contrary because it's the Chantry's story, instead of someone else's. If I remember correctly, Alistair tells you at Ostagar that all the Wardens really know about the darkspawns' origins-ignoring what the Chantry says- is that they come from underground.

Modifié par LT123, 29 juillet 2011 - 10:40 .

[Giggles_Manically]

[YamiSnuffles]

Bwahaha. I feel my job is done here. Have some apology kittens:


sakuna

Modifié par YamiSnuffles, 29 juillet 2011 - 10:48 .

[Lady Dino]

So here's what I'm thinking happened in the "Anders freak out" moment in legacy.



MAJOR SPOILERS FOR "THE CALLING"! Oh, and Legacy too, I guess.
(if you haven't read it yet do so, Legacy makes so much more sense if you do)



Anders specifically states that there is too much taint in his blood right before he goes bat****.

So then the obvious question, why aren't Larius or your siblings effected by this? Well, it's possible that your siblings just haven't been tainted long enough or that their resistance to the taint is still very strong and healthy.

Where as Anders has both been tainted longer and his mental resistance is significantly lowered because he shares his body and mind with Justice. The trade off for this was that Anders doesn't have anymore room for demon possession, so even if he is more susceptible to Demons they can't possess him and wont even bother trying. But the Call isn't about possession, it's a compulsion.

Larius states that Corypheus is mimicking the old gods Call. The old gods call compells darkspwan to to find them. Cory's call could be compelling tainted people to do anything he wants and he wants to be free of his prison.

Larius also says that he left for his calling but doesn't hear it anymore. He says that only death stops the call, so he must be dead but he didn't die.

So why, since he's still alive, doesn't Larius hear Cory or the old gods? Well, here's where "The Calling" gets spoiled.

When the Architect captured that warden, B- something or other, the one who left on his calling, the call becomes an all consuming insanity to B-man and he begs the Architect to do something about it. What Archy does is accelerate the taint in him until he no longer hears the call. Larius left for his calling what, 15, 20, 30 years ago? I think it's safe to assume that neither Cory, nor the old gods have any effect on him at this point.

What does all this mean? That Anders is ripe for the picking when it comes to compelling people to stop Hawke from killing Cory. Justice, summoning demons, rock armor, these are all just tools that Cory can force Anders to use if he's not strong enough to resist him. Which is exactly what I think happened.

[ashyraine]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Bwahaha. I feel my job is done here. Have some apology kittens:

Since I instigated this have an apology kitten Anders as well. By eviltwinofme on tumblr

[RoqueAlva]

ipgd wrote...

yukidama wrote...

By the way, does anyone know how to trigger the whole "Ooh, baby" thing with Hawke and Anders? There's so much banter, never thought I'd say that about a DLC, since squadmates/companions are notoriously mute during them...

I'm not sure if it's even in the game proper? It sounds more like a staged conversation sort of thing than a banter, but i dunno.

Seconding, no, thirding the question. Of all the people with male Hawkes, did anyone manage to get this dialogue?
Have done already three playthroughs from different acts with the only purpose of hearing it... and nothing. Terribly frustrated.

[mellifera]

Whoops, didn't mean to quote that.



I lol'd. "Excuse me?"

Modifié par yukidama, 29 juillet 2011 - 11:32 .

[ipgd]

LT123 wrote...

I wonder whether Anders thinks the Chantry's story about the magisters and the Golden City is legitimately ridiculous, or if he's just saying that just to be contrary because it's the Chantry's story, instead of someone else's. If I remember correctly, Alistair tells you at Ostagar that all the Wardens really know about the darkspawns' origins-ignoring what the Chantry says- is that they come from underground.

He goes over this in a banter with Seb.

Modifié par ipgd, 29 juillet 2011 - 11:34 .

[erilben]

ipgd wrote...

yukidama wrote...

By the way, does anyone know how to trigger the whole "Ooh, baby" thing with Hawke and Anders? There's so much banter, never thought I'd say that about a DLC, since squadmates/companions are notoriously mute during them...

I'm not sure if it's even in the game proper? It sounds more like a staged conversation sort of thing than a banter, but i dunno.

I think it's a banter because there doesn't seem to be dialogue paraphrases for Hawke's lines in the talk table. And a lot of the banters between Hawke and a companion don't seem to be working. All the Fenris romance dialog are in Fenris/Hawke or Hawke/Varric banters, and these aren't working. There's suppose to be banters between Merrill and Hawke about their romance, and I don't think they work either.

Modifié par erilben, 29 juillet 2011 - 11:37 .

[BlastedLands]

yukidama wrote...

Whoops, didn't mean to quote that.



I lol'd. "Excuse me?"

nice

[Melca36]

yukidama wrote...

ipgd wrote...

ALSO COMPLETELY UNRELATED POST ABOUT GAMLEN BECAUSE HE IS ONE COOL GUY

Gamlen I love you plz move into the estate. I can't wait for you to inevitably make some crass comment about how Anders screams all night :')

Gamlen: Maker just what do you two do up there?

Hawke: Uncle, you don't really want to know

Anders: Women are good for two things while men are good for four.

Gamlen: Blight Take you!  I'm going to walk that blasted dog

[LT123]

ipgd wrote...

He goes over this in a banter with Seb.

Oh, thanks. Hadn't heard that one. That makes sense.

[Fluffenstein]

Lady Dino wrote...

When the Architect captured that warden, B- something or other, the one who left on his calling, the call becomes an all consuming insanity to B-man and he begs the Architect to do something about it. What Archy does is accelerate the taint in him until he no longer hears the call. Larius left for his calling what, 15, 20, 30 years ago? I think it's safe to assume that neither Cory, nor the old gods have any effect on him at this point.

What does all this mean? That Anders is ripe for the picking when it comes to compelling people to stop Hawke from killing Cory. Justice, summoning demons, rock armor, these are all just tools that Cory can force Anders to use if he's not strong enough to resist him. Which is exactly what I think happened.

What bothers me about that is in the book when the taint is sped up, he also basically looks like a darkspawn. I'm not sure if they decided against that or not, but to me it looks like Larius is just at the stage where the calling would start getting at its worst. Also, Katriel and Duncan both didn't hear the calling when they were down with the group, even with the brooches on, so yes, that could be an explanation as to why your sibling doesn't hear the call.


I DUNNO THOUGH GUYS~ If there have been two talking darkspawn(Not counting the ones that were 'awakened' in Awakening), do you think there's a whole army just waiting to take control of the wardens? At the end of Legacy, either the Grey Warden or Larius both seems to be possessed in some way, something is still controling them, and since Cory is dead, there's got to be something else, right?

Rambling over!

[Amondra]

Well right before you kill Cory his eye sockets go black, then his eyes reappear and they look normal, and not all mist over like. He might have switched souls. He went to Larius and Larius went into Cory's body. Or by weakening him so much, he regained his mind again. Also could it be when you kill one of the original five I think it was you weaken the taint over all? I mean they are the key to it as they brought it onto the world.

[Fluffenstein]

I suppose, I was thinking about it and when you kill an old god it's soul goes into the Warden, so I don't see why this Magister couldn't do it if he was so powerful. Also the fact he could mimic an Old Gods cry.

[beckaliz]

Yeah real nice to kill the bugger only to have him body jump and show up later and say OHAI GUISE! MISS ME? >:} BWA HA HA