Batteries wrote...
If Seb was a warrior I'd probably use him more often than I do
Modifié par Amondra, 31 juillet 2011 - 07:51 .
I found it boring. The cartoony graphics are offputting. Fenris hardly talks, so it's basically an Anders DLC with a bit of Varric and the sibling. Story-wise, I have zero emotional investment in this PC, so I'm not going to be impressed at what feels like an artificial attempt to make the Hawkes into something big and vital in the world. I would have been interested in the Dumat stuff, but Corypheus is such a cartoon freak that I just can't take it seriously. His boss battle was tedious.berelinde wrote...
Does anybody have any idea why people are hating on this DLC so badly? OK, some of the banters are a little glitchy, but, with apologies to Fenris fans, it's solid DLC. I don't recall any of the Origins DLC being this good. It has everything: interesting plot, brilliant banter, LI involvement, and some killer character moments. What more could they have done? Mailed Fleshlights to all who downloaded it?
It probably only comes up if you play Legacy during Act I or the beginning of Act II. Gender shouldn't matter, only the stage of the romance for this I think...Tidra wrote...
I do want to know how/when that banter happens where Anders is talking about Justice or something...goes on to say Hawke shouldn't be involved with him because all he brings is ugliness. That didn't happen in my run throughs....it was a male Hawke on the party banter but that shouldn't matter. Hmm.
Modifié par Haradmir, 31 juillet 2011 - 08:14 .
Addai67 wrote...
I found it boring. The cartoony graphics are offputting. Fenris hardly talks, so it's basically an Anders DLC with a bit of Varric and the sibling. Story-wise, I have zero emotional investment in this PC, so I'm not going to be impressed at what feels like an artificial attempt to make the Hawkes into something big and vital in the world. I would have been interested in the Dumat stuff, but Corypheus is such a cartoon freak that I just can't take it seriously. His boss battle was tedious.berelinde wrote...
Does anybody have any idea why people are hating on this DLC so badly? OK, some of the banters are a little glitchy, but, with apologies to Fenris fans, it's solid DLC. I don't recall any of the Origins DLC being this good. It has everything: interesting plot, brilliant banter, LI involvement, and some killer character moments. What more could they have done? Mailed Fleshlights to all who downloaded it?
Does that help? lol
you're an unabashed hater of vanilla da2, which, whatever, valid opinion.Addai67 wrote...
I found it boring. The cartoony graphics are offputting. Fenris hardly talks, so it's basically an Anders DLC with a bit of Varric and the sibling. Story-wise, I have zero emotional investment in this PC, so I'm not going to be impressed at what feels like an artificial attempt to make the Hawkes into something big and vital in the world. I would have been interested in the Dumat stuff, but Corypheus is such a cartoon freak that I just can't take it seriously. His boss battle was tedious.
Does that help? lol
Modifié par TS2Aggie, 31 juillet 2011 - 09:53 .
berelinde wrote...
Does anybody have any idea why people are hating on this DLC so badly? OK, some of the banters are a little glitchy, but, with apologies to Fenris fans, it's solid DLC. I don't recall any of the Origins DLC being this good. It has everything: interesting plot, brilliant banter, LI involvement, and some killer character moments. What more could they have done? Mailed Fleshlights to all who downloaded it?ademska wrote...
WHAT WHAT WHATleggywillow wrote...
It's in one of the many Legacy party banter videos. I can't remember it exactly, but it's when Anders is freaking out about the voices. Snarky Hawke offers to distract him with a kiss, but so far I don't think anyone has triggered it in-game.
welp, there's my motivation to play through it tomorrow. even if i don't trigger it, which is likely, i'll get to listen to it and everything else. this dlc, man, this dlc.
I think Sebastian is made this way on purpose, precisely to keep people from falling into the easy "the Chantry just wants to oppress mages and think they're all evil" black/white mindset. He provides the perspective that'd be otherwise hard to get.leggywillow wrote...
I personally think Fenris should have been the DLC character, while Sebastian should have been retooled a bit to take the role of the main pro-templar/Chantry guy on the team. Fenris is a pretty irrelevant character in the narrative. His only role seems to be as a foil for Anders and reminding the audience that mages are dangerous. I think Sebastian could have served that role a bit better, with Fenris serving as a more flavorful DLC character. ::shrug::
Modifié par tmp7704, 31 juillet 2011 - 11:19 .
Arquen wrote...
I have a mixed reception of Anders in the DLC. Honestly I will have to admit that I *facepalmed* at his refusal to believe the Tevinter Magister black city story until after we killed Coryphaeus and looted the amulet.
It was probably because I played him in Act 3, but he also just seemed more depressing and all around mopey. The banters I ended up getting were all about him complaining of being in the deep roads, complaining about the wardens, and going nuts. I did appreciate the DLC focusing on his Warden aspect as well. As he said in one banter it almost feels like he isn't a Warden sometimes because of all the Justice/Plight of mages. It's like the taint, the calling, the long walk, the darkspawn go all out the window in the game and this DLC really snaps it back to "you can't just leave the wardens."
Don't get me wrong it isn't like it made me like Anders any less, but I just felt he was so melodramatic at times. Like REALLY??? The chantry just made up the whole **** story about Magisters entering the Golden city JUST so they could propaganda against all mages? I just.. *facepalmed* -- where is that tinfoil hat picture again? Someone forgot to put it on this morning!
Modifié par MG800, 31 juillet 2011 - 01:10 .
Arquen wrote...
I have a mixed reception of Anders in the DLC. Honestly I will have to admit that I *facepalmed* at his refusal to believe the Tevinter Magister black city story until after we killed Coryphaeus and looted the amulet.
It was probably because I played him in Act 3, but he also just seemed more depressing and all around mopey. The banters I ended up getting were all about him complaining of being in the deep roads, complaining about the wardens, and going nuts. I did appreciate the DLC focusing on his Warden aspect as well. As he said in one banter it almost feels like he isn't a Warden sometimes because of all the Justice/Plight of mages. It's like the taint, the calling, the long walk, the darkspawn go all out the window in the game and this DLC really snaps it back to "you can't just leave the wardens."
Don't get me wrong it isn't like it made me like Anders any less, but I just felt he was so melodramatic at times. Like REALLY??? The chantry just made up the whole **** story about Magisters entering the Golden city JUST so they could propaganda against all mages? I just.. *facepalmed* -- where is that tinfoil hat picture again? Someone forgot to put it on this morning!
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Arquen wrote...
It wasn't that the chantry story was correct per-say. I never bought anything the chantry says at face value. It was the fact that Anders dismissed the whole thing as part of the conspiracy by the chantry to further repress mages.
It was just a little much. I mean I completely understand the Chantry being full of BS. Look at how the Tevinter Chantry spins the tale (lmao), but to sit there and say that the whole thing was made up as a story to allow for the chantry to look better while making the mages look like bad guys. That is tinfoil hat worthy to me. As I said I just *facepalmed* I wonder if his reactions are somewhat different before his customary Act 3 melodrama, one-track mindedness?
Modifié par Queen-Of-Stuff, 31 juillet 2011 - 02:12 .
Arquen wrote...
but to sit there and say that the whole thing was made up as a story to allow for the chantry to look better while making the mages look like bad guys. That is tinfoil hat worthy to me
Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...
Arquen wrote...
It wasn't that the chantry story was correct per-say. I never bought anything the chantry says at face value. It was the fact that Anders dismissed the whole thing as part of the conspiracy by the chantry to further repress mages.
It was just a little much. I mean I completely understand the Chantry being full of BS. Look at how the Tevinter Chantry spins the tale (lmao), but to sit there and say that the whole thing was made up as a story to allow for the chantry to look better while making the mages look like bad guys. That is tinfoil hat worthy to me. As I said I just *facepalmed* I wonder if his reactions are somewhat different before his customary Act 3 melodrama, one-track mindedness?
You can hardly blame him for being skeptical of the Chantry's teachings with his background - and I even thought the story was a lot of BS (or at least partly BS) considering the dwarven codex entries on the matter, and I would say they have a lot more experience with the darkspawn than anyone else. Not to mention the way the Chantry spins the tale specifically - these Super Evil mages break into their Creator-God's clubhouse because they thought their magics were better than his magics, craps all over the place, making Him run away in a huff and dooming the world to a repeating cycle of apocalypses.
There's nothing facepalm-worthy about it, and Anders does a full turn once he figures out there's an ounce of truth to their story and even seems hesitant to agree with me when I say that the sins of the ancient magisters shouldn't doom now-living mages. According to what Cory says, it seems like Dumat is an even bigger dick than his followers and tricked the magisters into seeking out a city of corruption that they since released on the world. Doesn't make the magisters less responsible, but it puts them in an entirely different light.
Arquen wrote...
It was probably because I played him in Act 3, but he also just seemed more depressing and all around mopey. The banters I ended up getting were all about him complaining of being in the deep roads, complaining about the wardens, and going nuts. I did appreciate the DLC focusing on his Warden aspect as well. As he said in one banter it almost feels like he isn't a Warden sometimes because of all the Justice/Plight of mages. It's like the taint, the calling, the long walk, the darkspawn go all out the window in the game and this DLC really snaps it back to "you can't just leave the wardens."
Don't get me wrong it isn't like it made me like Anders any less, but I just felt he was so melodramatic at times. Like REALLY??? The chantry just made up the whole **** story about Magisters entering the Golden city JUST so they could propaganda against all mages?
tmp7704 wrote...
I think Sebastian is made this way on purpose, precisely to keep people from falling into the easy "the Chantry just wants to oppress mages and think they're all evil" black/white mindset. He provides the perspective that'd be otherwise hard to get.
Modifié par FieryDove, 31 juillet 2011 - 04:40 .
Tidra wrote...
Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...
Arquen wrote...
It wasn't that the chantry story was correct per-say. I never bought anything the chantry says at face value. It was the fact that Anders dismissed the whole thing as part of the conspiracy by the chantry to further repress mages.
It was just a little much. I mean I completely understand the Chantry being full of BS. Look at how the Tevinter Chantry spins the tale (lmao), but to sit there and say that the whole thing was made up as a story to allow for the chantry to look better while making the mages look like bad guys. That is tinfoil hat worthy to me. As I said I just *facepalmed* I wonder if his reactions are somewhat different before his customary Act 3 melodrama, one-track mindedness?
You can hardly blame him for being skeptical of the Chantry's teachings with his background - and I even thought the story was a lot of BS (or at least partly BS) considering the dwarven codex entries on the matter, and I would say they have a lot more experience with the darkspawn than anyone else. Not to mention the way the Chantry spins the tale specifically - these Super Evil mages break into their Creator-God's clubhouse because they thought their magics were better than his magics, craps all over the place, making Him run away in a huff and dooming the world to a repeating cycle of apocalypses.
There's nothing facepalm-worthy about it, and Anders does a full turn once he figures out there's an ounce of truth to their story and even seems hesitant to agree with me when I say that the sins of the ancient magisters shouldn't doom now-living mages. According to what Cory says, it seems like Dumat is an even bigger dick than his followers and tricked the magisters into seeking out a city of corruption that they since released on the world. Doesn't make the magisters less responsible, but it puts them in an entirely different light.
Gonna have to agree with this. Anders saying that was not facepalm at all to me, but then again - I have always thought it was pretty obvious the Chantry used it as blatant propaganda against Mages. That doesn't necesarily make it untrue, but the way the Chantry goes on and on about the story has gotten old to me. That, and, I'm of the mind that's where they get their whole "magic must serve man, not rule over him" interpretation largely from. The line is fairly self-explanatory, but when you look at it from the Chantry's perspective of "OH! Look! Mages did this to the Golden City, they turned the Maker against us! They sinned against his holiness!" In my opinion, this is like...the whole reason they feel the way about Mages as they do. They put them in a Circle and keep a constant watch over them so they don't screw over the world like they believe the Tevinter Magisters did.
Chantry priests might be nice to Mages faces but so many times in game they will walk by and say random things condemning Mages so it is sort of laughable. They make Mages believe that their magic is a curse and I just think it sucks that Mages are still paying for what the Tevinter Magisters supposedly did so long ago. Like I said, this doesn't make the story untrue but I still think the Chantry uses it to influence society to think a certain way about Mages and to justify their reasoning for keeping them imprisoned in the Circle.
Anders was being Anders the whole DLC, how does that make him more melodramatic? I don't get it. Haha.
And yeahh, as far as Cory...it sounds like he got totally screwed hahaha.
tmp7704 wrote...
leggywillow wrote...
I personally think Fenris should have been the DLC character, while Sebastian should have been retooled a bit to take the role of the main pro-templar/Chantry guy on the team. Fenris is a pretty irrelevant character in the narrative. His only role seems to be as a foil for Anders and reminding the audience that mages are dangerous. I think Sebastian could have served that role a bit better, with Fenris serving as a more flavorful DLC character. ::shrug::
I think Sebastian is made this way on purpose, precisely to keep people from falling into the easy "the Chantry just wants to oppress mages and think they're all evil" black/white mindset. He provides the perspective that'd be otherwise hard to get.
FieryDove wrote...
Arquen wrote...
It was probably because I played him in Act 3, but he also just seemed more depressing and all around mopey. The banters I ended up getting were all about him complaining of being in the deep roads, complaining about the wardens, and going nuts. I did appreciate the DLC focusing on his Warden aspect as well. As he said in one banter it almost feels like he isn't a Warden sometimes because of all the Justice/Plight of mages. It's like the taint, the calling, the long walk, the darkspawn go all out the window in the game and this DLC really snaps it back to "you can't just leave the wardens."
Don't get me wrong it isn't like it made me like Anders any less, but I just felt he was so melodramatic at times. Like REALLY??? The chantry just made up the whole **** story about Magisters entering the Golden city JUST so they could propaganda against all mages?
I agree. It also made Anders seem even weaker in my eyes. Turning on us and all. Justice really does disapprove of me...after all I have done to support mages too, bah. I am guessing the Hawke siblings (if wardens) all have plot armor.
Modifié par MG800, 31 juillet 2011 - 05:06 .
If i'm not mistaken Elthina is not a companion in DA2, and you get to exchange maybe a dozen lines with her. She certainly doesn't provide view on your companions and many things both trivial and not in a way the party banter does.FieryDove wrote...
If being a hypocrite and running around with blinders on was what they were shooting for I wonder why they bothered. We already have a perfect chantry example in game. (Elthina)
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leggywillow wrote...
Have we already discussed Anders' use of blood magic in the DLC?
We all know he summons the shades, which seems like a strange thing to do, but I guess I can imagine they were Justice's buddies who owed him a favor or something (lol). At one point during the fight, he definitely used a Blood Wound-ish spell on my party.
Is this just gameplay-story segregation or what? Justice was even more against blood magic than Anders! Or is this proof that Justice is more demon than spirit now?
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