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[Jean]

MG800 wrote...

Heidenreich wrote...

I just hope what ever they're doing for da3, they don't give us an orlesian MC. Srsly. I really dont want to sit through 60 some odd hours of a game and listen to myself talk with a bad Parisian accent.

*shivers*
And with all this blatant foreshadowing, Bioware will troll us, and game will take place in Rivain or Tervinter 
Or maybe we'll be traveling around the Thedas, starting in Orlais, but not as Orleasian.. yeah, too much to hope.

I would be surprised if the DAIII PC wasn't from Ferelden.

[Melca36]

SurelyForth wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Ok, that was a lengthy aside, but there is a POINT to it, I promise. Incidental physical closeness is a powerful thing, and it's something that I think it's entirely in-character for either of our boys to respond to. A lot of people see incidental physical closeness as a stupid plot device like the blanket or the shower, but I think it's much less unrealistic than those things. There is a huge barrier to Fenris and Anders making that first bend, that first step, that first concession, I'm not denying that. But there are a bunch of ways to get them past it, and once they are, there is so much gold there.

Except for the fact that Fenris is very much opposed to incidental physical closeness, and Anders is an abomination who doesn't trust himself to be around other people like that.

I don't know, I understand how it sometimes works in real life, but in fiction (and with characters like Fenris and Anders, one of whom exists simply to oppose the other) doing things like nudging them together in meetcute ways is contrived because it seems incredibly implausible based on their personalities. Like I said, Fenris has a huge mental hang up with being  touched, so how likely is it that he's going to put himself in a situation where he accidentally spoons someone? I'd be surprised if he lets Anders touch him while healing him. And I doubt that Anders trusts Fenris as a person or himself enough to get in a position where they accidentally snuggle or whatever.

And here's the thing- we know from banter in Legacy that they play cards together. Cards is a social thing, one where people are relaxed and themselves and they talk about stuff that's not politics or mages or whatever. They are human, and they are interacting and learning things about each other that makes them more than That Elf That Hates Mages and That Abomination. Yet that doesn't make them any closer. That doesn't change the fact that Anders is glad Fenris gets sold back to Danarius.

I guess this is where I'm broken at shipping: I do not see the potential for anyone in a setting to fall for anyone else. I don't think love and attraction work that way. I don't see why, given everyone else they know, Anders and Fenris would ever seek each other out. I guess the assumption is that they are both bi/pansexual, and that they're attractive to players, and they have a contentious relationship and must therefore secretly want to vent that frustration on each other. But, in the absence of any evidence of any sort of want from either of them, and in the face of who they actually gravitate towards, it's always going to be OOC me. Unless, of course, you scrap pretty much their entire canon and force them into entirely new situations and, at that point, they're not really Fenris and Anders as their creators intended them to be.

If Hawke did NOT exist. They would NOT hesistate to kill each other.

Fenris hates mages. He only grows to respect a Hawke Mage at the end but when he toasts you if you are Mage character you are still referred to as a Mage. If you are a rogue or warrior..you are toasted as a man or woman.
Despite him coming to respect you...He CAN'T LOOK beyond the mage part.


There is NO way he would get close to Anders. He views Anders as weak.  His dialogue in Legacy proves it.

Thats why I can't deal with any sory of Fenders Fiction. It makes no sense.   And everytime I see a Fender fic on the meme I pass over it.

If people enjoy it thats great but I can live without it consider this from someone who enjoys the occasional MHAWKE/ANDERS slash. :happy:

[Heidenreich]

Tidra wrote...

Heidenreich wrote...
*SNIP STUFF I WROTE YO*

I figured I came across as being too harsh, but your explanation I also do agree with. I know when he says it he is feeling self-hatred, but that's another reason I kind of hate it too. I am sitting there, trying to comfort him, and it's like he hates me and he hates himself for being my friend. It is just kind of depressing and I have known the guy for several years at this point, and it's like he still doesn't accept *ME* for just ME. I know he has gone through stuff with Danarius, stuff that I have also ended up helping him go through. I mean, maybe it's the voice actor. Gideon Emery is great but several of his lines end up sounding the same due to the whole "deep voice" thing. The line itself came across to me as being self-hateful, and sort of "UGH. Yes. YOU'RE my friend. How utterly sucky for me." And that is again, just my opinion. I was pretty floored when I heard it, because previously I had gotten the romance dialogue in that particular scene. So I was like wow, THANKSSS.

The catch though, is that he isn't "UGH, your my friend. how utterly sucky for me".  He's saying, "Wow... I would never believe it of myself had I not lived it. I have managed to find the one decent mage in the whole world. And they actually put up with me.. and I still hate myself enough that I can't figure out why."

He's self-lothing, not hawke-disliking. His dispreciation for the friendship isn't because he doesn't apreciate Hawke's friendship. It has wholly to do with him and his inabiltiy to want to bend his belief that, given enough freedom and power, mages turn into Magisters.  Hawke (as a mage, or through bethany)'s whole roll in the friendship is to show Fenris this. He get's it, he appriciates Hawke, may even love them. He's just having a hard time dealing with the fact that Hawke keeps proving him wrong.

I didn't mean Anders was helpful in Awakening, I was specifically referring only to DA2. I still believe that Fenris honestly follows Hawke around for lack of anything else to do, (which most of them do, including Isabela) which is understandable he is trying to find his place in life. But at the same time while people get mad about sending him back to Danarius (which is terrible and I don't ever do) I think it is almost just as bad to let him go through with killing his sister. It's like, he doesn't even want answers from her. He finds out she is a Mage, she betrayed him, and neck snap. It's worth it to keep her alive just so he knows that his markings were of his own doing, not something that was forced upon him.

I was using Anders in Awakening as an example. In Awakening Anders was very selfish. In DA2, Fenris is very selfish. Given enough time, he'll move past it, and its clear that he has later on in the game (act 3, with his getting over of running away and asking for forgiveness.. or of his spark of a relationship with Isabela and supporting of a full friend/rival hawke.)

Anders grew up thanks to Justice. Fenris' catalyst is Hawke. Except we dont get enough time to see it, because Kirkwall explodes. Kaboom.  By act 3 he's made his personal cause protecting Hawke, esp so if he/she's a mage. A Self-Appointed Bodyguard, rather then an enslaved one. A Free choice, given to someone worthy, in his eyes, of it. Perhaps he sees his best aveneu towards being rid of the slaver population in and around the Free Marches is to stick with Hawke.


As for his sister... Well, if my brother betrayed me to the one person in the whole world who could hurt me and the people I love, I probably would/would want to kill him too. He doesn't kill her (or stays his hand thanks to Hawke), because she's a mage, but that he built it up slowly over the course of three years in his head what it would be like to meet her, to know who he was, to have a connection and be loved by family. Family, who are suposed to love you unconditionally.

Except she doesn't, and she rats him out and sets him up in a trap, which he sort of knew would happen but didn't want to believe because it was his sister. He says as much if Hawke convinces him not to kill her, "I would have given you everything." You can hear the hope shattering in his voice as he says it (and this is why Gideon is so awesome in his inflections.)

He doesn't turn Anders over to the templars because it would be a Betrayal of Hawke, who has never betrayed him (at that point), has helped him pretty much with out question, put up with his outbursts etc etc etc. He doesn't do it to protect Anders, because he doesn't like Anders. Who he likes, is Hawke (or at the very least, respects). Take Hawke out of the picture, and you can bet your ass Fenris would have taken Anders head and piked it back to the Templars.

Just in the same way that Anders, in his oh-so-Anders-ee way, will happily cheer Hawke on should he chose to give Fenris over to Denarius. They Do Not Like Each Other At All. The only reason they even put up with one another is because they both like Hawke, either as a Romance, or as a Rival/Friend.


At the end of the day, you don't have to like the friends of your friends, but occasionally you'll put up with them for your friends sake.





btw, this is why we can't have nice things, because I froth<3

SEEEE This is why we can't have nice things. ;p

[Lady Jess]

Melca36 wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Ok, that was a lengthy aside, but there is a POINT to it, I promise. Incidental physical closeness is a powerful thing, and it's something that I think it's entirely in-character for either of our boys to respond to. A lot of people see incidental physical closeness as a stupid plot device like the blanket or the shower, but I think it's much less unrealistic than those things. There is a huge barrier to Fenris and Anders making that first bend, that first step, that first concession, I'm not denying that. But there are a bunch of ways to get them past it, and once they are, there is so much gold there.

Except for the fact that Fenris is very much opposed to incidental physical closeness, and Anders is an abomination who doesn't trust himself to be around other people like that.

I don't know, I understand how it sometimes works in real life, but in fiction (and with characters like Fenris and Anders, one of whom exists simply to oppose the other) doing things like nudging them together in meetcute ways is contrived because it seems incredibly implausible based on their personalities. Like I said, Fenris has a huge mental hang up with being  touched, so how likely is it that he's going to put himself in a situation where he accidentally spoons someone? I'd be surprised if he lets Anders touch him while healing him. And I doubt that Anders trusts Fenris as a person or himself enough to get in a position where they accidentally snuggle or whatever.

And here's the thing- we know from banter in Legacy that they play cards together. Cards is a social thing, one where people are relaxed and themselves and they talk about stuff that's not politics or mages or whatever. They are human, and they are interacting and learning things about each other that makes them more than That Elf That Hates Mages and That Abomination. Yet that doesn't make them any closer. That doesn't change the fact that Anders is glad Fenris gets sold back to Danarius.

I guess this is where I'm broken at shipping: I do not see the potential for anyone in a setting to fall for anyone else. I don't think love and attraction work that way. I don't see why, given everyone else they know, Anders and Fenris would ever seek each other out. I guess the assumption is that they are both bi/pansexual, and that they're attractive to players, and they have a contentious relationship and must therefore secretly want to vent that frustration on each other. But, in the absence of any evidence of any sort of want from either of them, and in the face of who they actually gravitate towards, it's always going to be OOC me. Unless, of course, you scrap pretty much their entire canon and force them into entirely new situations and, at that point, they're not really Fenris and Anders as their creators intended them to be.

If Hawke did NOT exist. They would NOT hesistate to kill each other.

Fenris hates mages. He only grows to respect a Hawke Mage at the end but when he toasts you if you are Mage character you are still referred to as a Mage. If you are a rogue or warrior..you are toasted as a man or woman.
Despite him coming to respect you...He CAN'T LOOK beyond the mage part.


There is NO way he would get close to Anders. He views Anders as weak.  His dialogue in Legacy proves it.

Thats why I can't deal with any sory of Fenders Fiction. It makes no sense.   And everytime I see a Fender fic on the meme I pass over it.

If people enjoy it thats great but I can live without it consider this from someone who enjoys the occasional MHAWKE/ANDERS slash. :happy:

It's equal to the old Alistair/Morrigan shipping that people did back in the day. They hated each other, 100% seething, writhing, burning like a million suns in the desert in August in an oven with the heat on in a sauna HATE.  Seeing them put together in any fashion just makes me go...

[Addai]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Tidra wrote...

Well I meant like, a lot of them also just don't even want to deal with the whole Mage/Templar thing at all. Which I find absurd because with so much build up and then not playing it all out would suck.

because Its too much a of  grey issues and  its not a very cut and dry   cliche' Good and Evil story like which the Darkspawn.

No, it's because I dislike how it was set up and so I want no (personal) part of it.  Let me hear about it in a codex, I don't want to play it.

If it had done in a subtler fashion, where I had real choices that mattered, then maybe I would have felt like I had a personal stake and so would have wanted to play it out.  I understand others do feel that way.  I hope BW deals with it in an expansion so there's a win-win.  DA2 fans can play out their desired ending, and the rest of us can move on to whatever's next.

Modifié par Addai67, 06 août 2011 - 01:24 .

[nitefyre410]

Addai67 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Tidra wrote...

Well I meant like, a lot of them also just don't even want to deal with the whole Mage/Templar thing at all. Which I find absurd because with so much build up and then not playing it all out would suck.

because Its too much a of  grey issues and  its not a very cut and dry   cliche' Good and Evil story like which the Darkspawn.

No, it's because I dislike how it was set up and so I want no (personal) part of it.  Let me hear about it in a codex, I don't want to play it.

If it had done in a subtler fashion, where I had real choices that mattered, then maybe I would have felt like I had a personal stake and so would have wanted to play it out.  I understand others do feel that way.  I hope BW deals with it in an expansion so there's a win-win.  DA2 fans can play out their desired ending, and the rest of us can move on to whatever's next.

 

Harrowmount and Bhelen -

I would much prefered to stay out of that whole mess... one was Noble that could not be trusted and was one  Power hungry  Prince that could not be trusted.   You had to pick a side one or the other you couldn't pick a third noble family.

The Mage- Templar conflict is fundemental  shake up of one of the  foundations of the DA universe - its most likely  will not be resolved in a Expansion. Its very well will likely cover a game and the fallout of it may cover more. 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 06 août 2011 - 03:35 .

[Sinaxi]

Yeah, I understand there were more choices in DA:O but like...none of them seemed to really matter to me. The biggest choices were basically Landsmeet and then whether or not you were going to kill yourself for the Archdemon. Most of the other choices were really easy for me. Save the Mages, set the Werewolves free & have Zathrian deal with what he caused, pick Bhelen or Harrowmont (I picked Bhelen simply because I knew in the long run the dwarves were technically better off even though he was horrible lol), umm...what else was there...Andraste's Ashes, and the Anvil... I mean..idk. Yeah, there were choices. None of them were that big of a deal to me though because it wasn't like something I had a hard time deciding between or I thought about long after the game was over. Regardless the game still had a core storyline that was to be followed, just like DA2.

As far as personal stakes go, I had a much stronger connection to DA2. End of DA:O I felt like the story was complete, it was good. DA2's story is no where near complete. DA2 was basically Hawke's origin story, and what an origin story it was. Lol.

[nitefyre410]

Tidra wrote...

Yeah, I understand there were more choices in DA:O but like...none of them seemed to really matter to me. The biggest choices were basically Landsmeet and then whether or not you were going to kill yourself for the Archdemon. Most of the other choices were really easy for me. Save the Mages, set the Werewolves free & have Zathrian deal with what he caused, pick Bhelen or Harrowmont (I picked Bhelen simply because I knew in the long run the dwarves were technically better off even though he was horrible lol), umm...what else was there...Andraste's Ashes, and the Anvil... I mean..idk. Yeah, there were choices. None of them were that big of a deal to me though because it wasn't like something I had a hard time deciding between or I thought about long after the game was over. Regardless the game still had a core storyline that was to be followed, just like DA2.

As far as personal stakes go, I had a much stronger connection to DA2. End of DA:O I felt like the story was complete, it was good. DA2's story is no where near complete. DA2 was basically Hawke's origin story, and what an origin story it was. Lol.

Exactly.... either way all roads would lead to the outcome that Bioware set for  story.

[Sinaxi]

Okay. I don't understand why on Bioware's main webpage, the whole "redeem" portion for the Staff of Parthalan says this:

Magic has always run strongly within the Hawke bloodline. The tales passed down from one generation to the next tell of an ancestor named Parthalan, a mage who long ago helped to unite Ferelden under the rule of King Calenhad. Parthalan eventually vanished into legend, fleeing the persecution of the Chantry, but his legacy remains in the hands of his family - along with his hope that one day, mages would achieve the freedom that King Calenhad intended to bring to all men.

And yet in game in the Codex it says:

During the Exalted March, the Tevinter Imperium was in chaos. Magister Parthalan and two high-ranking magisters were sent to Kirkwall to put down a slave uprising before it spread to the entire empire. However, their legion never arrived at Kirkwall; no one knows what happened to the party, Magister Parthalan - or his fabled staff.

So...he was from the Tevinter Imperium? Am I like missing something? Why would he be helping Ferelden, and Mages were already pretty much "free" in the Tevinter Imperium..? I'm assuming he didn't agree with the imprisonment of the slaves? Yeah. I'm like really confused right now.

[Arquen]

I really try hard to not go all fengirl in thus thread, but sometimes you guys make it so hard.

In that scene Anders expresses 2 things. Petty anger and jealousy. Getting rid of fenris is the lesson he deserves. He hates Anders, hates magic, argues constantly and can **** block Anders for hawke's affection. Anders even calls fenris a hypocrit for hating his mage sister. Fenris doesn't have any memory of his sister wtf Anders? He is just being petty and cruel.

Honestly it is rather childish of Anders. Likewise fenris says nothing about Anders except" he wants to die... do it and be done wit it." Its blunt but it isn't untrue or spiteful like Anders' comments. That is why it is so disheartening... like really Anders your going to be that guy?

[Sinaxi]

Arquen wrote...

I really try hard to not go all fengirl in thus thread, but sometimes you guys make it so hard.

In that scene Anders expresses 2 things. Petty anger and jealousy. Getting rid of fenris is the lesson he deserves. He hates Anders, hates magic, argues constantly and can **** block Anders for hawke's affection. Anders even calls fenris a hypocrit for hating his mage sister. Fenris doesn't have any memory of his sister wtf Anders? He is just being petty and cruel.

Honestly it is rather childish of Anders. Likewise fenris says nothing about Anders except" he wants to die... do it and be done wit it." Its blunt but it isn't untrue or spiteful like Anders' comments. That is why it is so disheartening... like really Anders your going to be that guy?

That's Anders. He doesn't like the guy. In his mind it's like, "Why am I supposed to care?" They don't get along, and Fenris would be just as happy to see Anders randomly offed by pretty much anyone's doing. So I think it's like, kind of the same for both sides. Besides, Anders only gets like 5+ friendship, so it must not have made him that happy. I just don't think he gives a **** lol which I can totally understand seeing as it is Anders.

[Taihsigva]

Arquen wrote...

In that scene Anders expresses 2 things. Petty anger and jealousy. Getting rid of fenris is the lesson he deserves. He hates Anders, hates magic, argues constantly and can **** block Anders for hawke's affection. Anders even calls fenris a hypocrit for hating his mage sister. Fenris doesn't have any memory of his sister wtf Anders? He is just being petty and cruel.

I actually wouldn't be surprised if Anders didn't know that Fenris didn't know anything about his sister, at least regarding her magic. Depending on one's party configuration during A Bitter Pill, he may not have been around for Fenris' discovery that he had a sister; if he was and knew Fenris was looking up her life situation, he might have thought, when Varania talks about becoming a magister, that Fenris had already learned that she was a mage. His perspective is probably such that he'd be surprised if "oh yeah also she's a mage" didn't turn up somewhere in an investigation into a person.

In any case, I doubt Anders and Fenris would sit around discussing Fenris' memories or lack thereof, or his search for his sister, the way Fenris does with Hawke, so what exactly Anders thinks about the whole situation could be completely different from what the player/Hawke knows. Which isn't to say that the comment wasn't still horribly tactless.

[SurelyForth]

Arquen wrote...

I really try hard to not go all fengirl in thus thread, but sometimes you guys make it so hard.

In that scene Anders expresses 2 things. Petty anger and jealousy. Getting rid of fenris is the lesson he deserves. He hates Anders, hates magic, argues constantly and can **** block Anders for hawke's affection. Anders even calls fenris a hypocrit for hating his mage sister. Fenris doesn't have any memory of his sister wtf Anders? He is just being petty and cruel.

Honestly it is rather childish of Anders. Likewise fenris says nothing about Anders except" he wants to die... do it and be done wit it." Its blunt but it isn't untrue or spiteful like Anders' comments. That is why it is so disheartening... like really Anders your going to be that guy?

Fenris also mocks Anders in Act 2 for killing/almost killing Ella. He doesn't really berate him...he literally mocks him. Her life doesn't matter to him, but he certainly seems to find Anders' suffering to be quite delicious. So...petty and cruel, no?

Modifié par SurelyForth, 06 août 2011 - 04:24 .

[leggywillow]

Anders and Fenris are both petty and pointlessly cruel to each other.  In terms of how they act towards each other, I don't think either one claims the moral high ground.  Anders just earns my forgiveness by being important to the plot.  (Sorry, I know I go on about that like a broken record, but it bothers me.  FENRIS Y U NO MATTER?)

Modifié par leggywillow, 06 août 2011 - 04:29 .

[Sinaxi]

Yeah. I don't get why it's such a big deal that they literally don't give a damn about each other. It goes both ways, and anyone saying it doesn't is definitely wrong.

Edit - Lol I was just talking to a friend about that. Neither of us had Sebastian, the DL character, but I was like you know it almost seems like (while I'm glad I didn't get Sebastian) that he has sort of a more important role in the overrall narrative than Fenris does. Like, he is actually in the Chantry and is BFF's with the Grand Cleric basically. Fenris doesn't have much of a purpose in the storyline, which is cool, not every single person in DA:O really did...but aside from him the other characters seem to have at least some type of purpose.

Modifié par Tidra, 06 août 2011 - 04:34 .

[nitefyre410]

Arquen wrote...

I really try hard to not go all fengirl in thus thread, but sometimes you guys make it so hard.

In that scene Anders expresses 2 things. Petty anger and jealousy. Getting rid of fenris is the lesson he deserves. He hates Anders, hates magic, argues constantly and can **** block Anders for hawke's affection. Anders even calls fenris a hypocrit for hating his mage sister. Fenris doesn't have any memory of his sister wtf Anders? He is just being petty and cruel.

Honestly it is rather childish of Anders. Likewise fenris says nothing about Anders except" he wants to die... do it and be done wit it." Its blunt but it isn't untrue or spiteful like Anders' comments. That is why it is so disheartening... like really Anders your going to be that guy?

so can we agree that they  are just having a pissing contest just  win over hawkes affections and makine themselves  looking like complete idots... Matter of fact it  be would awesome for a Female Hawke to call them out on it and then go spend some time with Varric.   

Cause I mean what guy is not cut throat when comes  to game of love.....   

Not that I have done anything remotely as childish or petty  usually i just let other two  duke it and  move in while they at each others throats.      Hypothetically  of course.  

Modifié par nitefyre410, 06 août 2011 - 04:46 .

[FieryDove]

Did anyone see this Anders?

http://louvette.devi...874184#/d2xr4l5

[Jean]

Tidra wrote...

Yeah. I don't get why it's such a big deal that they literally don't give a damn about each other. It goes both ways, and anyone saying it doesn't is definitely wrong.

Edit - Lol I was just talking to a friend about that. Neither of us had Sebastian, the DL character, but I was like you know it almost seems like (while I'm glad I didn't get Sebastian) that he has sort of a more important role in the overrall narrative than Fenris does. Like, he is actually in the Chantry and is BFF's with the Grand Cleric basically. Fenris doesn't have much of a purpose in the storyline, which is cool, not every single person in DA:O really did...but aside from him the other characters seem to have at least some type of purpose.

Fenris felt like he could of been the DLC instead of Seb for me

Modifié par Batteries, 06 août 2011 - 04:38 .

[ladyofpayne]

youtu.be/jtjM8y7MaUI 
Anders become a Tranquil. Char swap.

[FieryDove]

ladyofpayne wrote...

youtu.be/jtjM8y7MaUI 
Anders become a Tranquil. Char swap.

I don't think Anders can be made tranquil. His other half would glow and he would be all *there* again.

[Addai]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Harrowmount and Bhelen -

I would much prefered to stay out of that whole mess... one was Noble that could not be trusted and was one  Power hungry  Prince that could not be trusted.   You had to pick a side one or the other you couldn't pick a third noble family.

The Mage- Templar conflict is fundemental  shake up of one of the  foundations of the DA universe - its most likely  will not be resolved in a Expansion. Its very well will likely cover a game and the fallout of it may cover more. 

Harrowmont or Bhelen had clear and distinguishable differences in outcome.

I think you're limiting the imagination of the writers.  The mage-templar conflict will be resolved with some new consensus and we'll be on to the Qunari invasion or whatever comes after.  Or so I hope.  I'm sick of it already.

[nitefyre410]

Addai67 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Harrowmount and Bhelen -

I would much prefered to stay out of that whole mess... one was Noble that could not be trusted and was one  Power hungry  Prince that could not be trusted.   You had to pick a side one or the other you couldn't pick a third noble family.

The Mage- Templar conflict is fundemental  shake up of one of the  foundations of the DA universe - its most likely  will not be resolved in a Expansion. Its very well will likely cover a game and the fallout of it may cover more. 

Harrowmont or Bhelen had clear and distinguishable differences in outcome.

I think you're limiting the imagination of the writers.  The mage-templar conflict will be resolved with some new consensus and we'll be on to the Qunari invasion or whatever comes after.  Or so I hope.  I'm sick of it already.

to quote a famous  Arbitor :  "Where so it easy.." 

A Qunari invasion - I don't think they care enough  to even want to conquer.  Sten was sent as a scout to assess  a threat and possible later threats.  I see him going back to  Qun  "Yeah  Darkspawn - a threat but taken care of...  They well  be peaceful while then start bickering and in fighting again." 

Now a I can seen them Invading after the  war - with Chanty in such a state of upheavel and the people looking for something to believe in....  join the Qun.  

[Sinaxi]

This guy who posted this thread in Official Campaign Quests/Stories is on crack, apparently. Says Fenris and Anders are both extremely ugly. Huh. I mean, they might not be perfect in every single godly way but yeah...o.O

I'm just curious. Why did Bioware gives one smokin' hot Isabella and cute and adorable Merrill on one hand and then brooding-ugly Fenris and demented-demon-twisted-ugly Anders on the other?
Seriously, both the males love interests are butt ugly in looks and personality. Both female interests are striking in looks and personality. Bias much?
Solution: Hire female or gay artists to handle the artwork for the male love interests next time. And uh, make at least one of them kind of normal and not insane.

I don't see how Isabela or Merrill's personalities are any better than Fenris or Anders...they are all pretty on par with each other imo. Oh well. Not everyone can be happy. But, "demon twisted thing" aw and "broodingly ugly" wtf.

P.S. I'm kind of ridiculously bored. >.>

Modifié par Tidra, 06 août 2011 - 05:11 .

[Jean]

o.O

Anders doesn't look conventionally attractive, but I still find him attractive. Fenris looks like he was brewed for specifically for fangirls.