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[nitefyre410]

How Female Hawke deals with  Anders and Fenris Rival affections  and jealous back biting:
Fenris:Ratta ratta ratta
Varric *look at anders*
Isabella : *Look at anders*
Merrill:  *look at anders*
Anders:  Rawr  Rawr
Varric,Isabella, Merrill:  * looks back a Fenris.*
Fanris: Grrr
*Female Hawke walks in  looking asbolutely positively down right smashing   in her new dress from High town custome made only for her. .*
Anders, Fenris:  
Varric: *before than can anything gets up kissing her hand*  My Hawke  you a vison beauty itself -  are you ready to leave.
Hawke: *smiles*  Of course  *they leave*
Anders, Fenris:   then
Isabella: Its the chest hair, the is just something about it  
Merrill: Really - I agree is very  manly - i find myself staring at even when I don't want.... its very enchanting.
Anders, Fenris: 
Isabella: I think you boys have learned your lesson.  

[leggywillow]

Batteries wrote...

o.O

Anders doesn't look conventionally attractive, but I still find him attractive. Fenris looks like he was brewed for specifically for fangirls.

That is weird.  Anders doesn't seem any less attractive than, say, Alistair or Zevran.  And Fenris was literally forged in the fires of Mount Doom to make fangirls need a change of underwear (to the point where it makes me roll my eyes... he's just so very visually overdone, it seems).

[Sinaxi]

Rofl. I think Alistair is cuter than Fenris, but he's also completely adorably funny. And I didn't really like the new elf models in general. Fenris is still attractive though, but one thing I always didn't like that much was his armor. I just feel like it wasn't badass looking enough for someone like him.

But, yeah I have nooo clue what that guy was on about. And Anders at first I thought wasn't like super attractive, but he sort of grows on you. I think it's because I felt like they made his face dimensions kind of weird at first. Idk, something with the chin. At first I thought it looked a little odd but I don't notice it anymore really.

You know I still don't really know what it is about Alistair in DA2 that makes him look so weird. Like, his face still looks basically the same but it has this very odd texture to it. I think his cheeks and lips are like different too. Idk, it's just weird. I also have no idea why they decided to make Zevran's skin 20x lighter than it previously was.

But yeah, I don't see how Alistair/Zevran are any hotter than Fenris/Anders. And, Morrigan is one sexy beast. Though, I have NEVER understood why she looks SO different in the trailers...I mean, it's like she is way heavier in the trailers, not like she is fat or something but compared to how skinnier she is in DA:O it is really weird to see her in those trailers because her whole face looks different. She looks shorter in them too. It looks nothing like her in DA:O, which I think she looks better in game. Leilana, however, looked way better in those trailers.

Isabela is also super hot without being too overdone I think, the whole big-breasted pirate. I am glad she doesn't look like a complete bimbo. She also looks much heavier in the trailers where Hawke is fighting the Arishok, she looks veryyyy weird in those trailers like her proportions are just off to me. Her and Morrigan both look way better in game.

[Arquen]

To love or not love characters based on looks.... ugh. Ill just stay away from the beauty contest troll-bait. Its extremely personal opinion what is attractive. If you don't find a game character attractive then oh well. Someone else in the world probably does.

I mean... have we seen the mods? People find them attractive.. someone out there somewhere has modded every character to their personal tastes. Who is to say they are wrong? Or what they find attractive or not is wrong. Point is that the characters will be who they are regardless. They were made a certain way for certain reasons. For me it is hard to imagine them as anything else.

[Jean]

Tidra wrote...

You know I still don't really know what it is about Alistair in DA2 that makes him look so weird. Like, his face still looks basically the same but it has this very odd texture to it. I think his cheeks and lips are like different too. Idk, it's just weird. I also have no idea why they decided to make Zevran's skin 20x lighter than it previously was.

Apparently it's the lighting in the Keep that makes King Alistair look strange.



Still looks really different but... Not as bad

/why did they get rid of his theirin nose

Modifié par Batteries, 06 août 2011 - 07:12 .

[Amondra]

Batteries wrote...

Tidra wrote...

You know I still don't really know what it is about Alistair in DA2 that makes him look so weird. Like, his face still looks basically the same but it has this very odd texture to it. I think his cheeks and lips are like different too. Idk, it's just weird. I also have no idea why they decided to make Zevran's skin 20x lighter than it previously was.

Apparently it's the lighting in the Keep that makes King Alistair look strange.



Still looks really different but... Not as bad

/why did they get rid of his theirin nose

Did you use his face model over Anders? He does look better, but still really awkward.  

Oh and here is a little something I am getting in the mail from PayRoo in the mail, from her mail trade thing she is doing.  

Modifié par Amondra, 06 août 2011 - 07:31 .

[Jean]

Picture's not mine, I play on the xbox

[Sealy]

Tidra wrote...

You know I still don't really know what it is about Alistair in DA2 that makes him look so weird. Like, his face still looks basically the same but it has this very odd texture to it. I think his cheeks and lips are like different too. Idk, it's just weird. I also have no idea why they decided to make Zevran's skin 20x lighter than it previously was.

Zev was lighter cause they needed all his darker skin tones to make Isabela about 80% darker then she used to be. I find Anders to be a lot skinnier then he was is Awakenings, They actually gave his awakenings body to Hawke. Sad too because the mages really are starting to look more and more like delicate mage flowers.

[john-in-france]

I'd like to extend a cordial invitation to members of Anders Taint Brigade interested in medieval historical comparisons to a new thread in the General Discussion forum: DA Universe and the Real Crusades.

Diss the Chantry and the medieval church, debate the historical Templar being real Maleficar to your hearts content. Only DA Universe and real history allowed. But I'm sure that some of you can cope with that! Besides who is going to debate on behalf of sorcerers otherwise?

First, before you fireball me to death, the topic starting the first conversations was pretty much in the same line as the rules of the thread. I wasn't specifically dissing Anders (for once) but exploring what may have sparked Biowares story arc.

Angels and Demons vs Spirits and Demons.

http://social.biowar...49547/1#8049634

Modifié par john-in-france, 06 août 2011 - 01:30 .

[SurelyForth]

This thread is very sleepy today.

Like Anders!

by Payroo

[Sinaxi]

I know, right?

Oh, btw, you're my 1 and only "friend" on here...I must look like a stalker or something.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

It's funny that I always end up as the Fenders defender (ha!), seeing as I don't seek it out, it's not a pairing I "ship" so much, and I pretty much only read it when I happen upon a good rec... but here I am. And now someone had to bring Alistair and Morrigan into it... a pairing that I am as ardently opposed to as some people here are to Fenders. But here I am, with this post sitting in my hopper. It's rambly, but what else is new?

Alistair and Morrigan hated each other for complicated reasons: they had completely opposite worldviews, personalities, and priority systems. There are very few actions you can do that both of them approve of, whereas Anders and Fenris both approve of a lot of anti-blood mage or anti-slavery things. Fenris and Anders both like Varric and Isabella; Morrigan didn't really seem to really like any of the companions, and especially disliked the ones Alistair got along with most. There was no simple misunderstanding, no single disconnect you could help Alistair and Morrigan overcome to get them to get along - their dislike and incompatibility infused every aspect of their characters.

The reason that Anders and Fenris hate each other is simpler than that: it's because Fenris is racist against mages and Anders isn't going to put up with racism.  Ok, before the Fengirls explode, I do want to specify that I think Fenris's "racism" is understandable. I have an older relative who fought in WWII, and he sometimes says really, really inappropriate things about people from the Axis countries. Based on what he saw while fighting, that's totally understandable... it still counts as racist though. That's the kind of prejudice Fen has. For clarity, I'll call it "mageism" instead. It's cleaner.

There's actually nothing to Anders and Fenris's hatred of each other beyond the whole mageism thing. It's all built on that. Anders has also shown willingness to try to reason with people, and he's been open to changing his mind if someone gives him a glimmer of hope that they're less mageist than he thought they were - his reaction when he realizes that some people actually rejected the Tranquil solution, for example. I re-listened to all the Fenris/Anders banter and the Alistair/Morrigan banter, and Alistair and Morrigan never seem to be getting any closer to reaching an understanding. There are so many conversations with Fenris and Anders where they actually do seem to be on the verge of a breakthrough: the conversation about mage slaves in Tevinter, the conversation about suicide, even the conversation about some mages not being weak.

I love Morrigan, in some ways I actually like her more than Fen, but I feel like she's more... contrary at her core than Fenris is. My Warden was friends with her because she felt that most of the things Morrigan hated (with the exception of Alistair) were perfectly reasonable things to hate: the tower, the chantry, victimhood, defeatism. She admired Morrigan's strength, and thought that her unwillingness to put compassion for individuals above their greater cause was a valid perspective, even if it wasn't one she was quite ready to embrace herself. Alistair and Morrigan represented two very different perspectives, two very different personality types and sets of priorities.
 
In contrast, Fenris and Anders both can learn a great deal from each other. Anders absolutely needs to accept that there is a lot of truth in what Fenris says about Magisters, while Fenris needs to get over his mageism.

I have never before in the history of me thought that two people who hated each other made a compelling couple. I'm not that girl, the one who ships people together because they're hot and in proximity. I've never thought that constant arguing indicated anything other than dislike, in fact I hate rom-coms where they do the whole "I hate you I hate you let's kiss" plot. The only time when I find that plot remotely acceptable is when two people's dislike for each other comes from personal failings that they overcome over the course of coming to like the other person... which is pretty much what happens in the course of all the "good" Fenris and Anders stuff I've read.

I like Fenris and Anders together because the thing that is keeping them apart is really, really stupid, and I feel that both boys could overcome that stupidity, given an opportunity. I have more to say, but this is already far too long, and I have movie sign.

[Sialater]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

It's funny that I always end up as the Fenders defender (ha!), seeing as I don't seek it out, it's not a pairing I "ship" so much, and I pretty much only read it when I happen upon a good rec... but here I am. And now someone had to bring Alistair and Morrigan into it... a pairing that I am as ardently opposed to as some people here are to Fenders. But here I am, with this post sitting in my hopper. It's rambly, but what else is new?

Alistair and Morrigan hated each other for complicated reasons: they had completely opposite worldviews, personalities, and priority systems. There are very few actions you can do that both of them approve of, whereas Anders and Fenris both approve of a lot of anti-blood mage or anti-slavery things. Fenris and Anders both like Varric and Isabella; Morrigan didn't really seem to really like any of the companions, and especially disliked the ones Alistair got along with most. There was no simple misunderstanding, no single disconnect you could help Alistair and Morrigan overcome to get them to get along - their dislike and incompatibility infused every aspect of their characters.

The reason that Anders and Fenris hate each other is simpler than that: it's because Fenris is racist against mages and Anders isn't going to put up with racism.  Ok, before the Fengirls explode, I do want to specify that I think Fenris's "racism" is understandable. I have an older relative who fought in WWII, and he sometimes says really, really inappropriate things about people from the Axis countries. Based on what he saw while fighting, that's totally understandable... it still counts as racist though. That's the kind of prejudice Fen has. For clarity, I'll call it "mageism" instead. It's cleaner.

There's actually nothing to Anders and Fenris's hatred of each other beyond the whole mageism thing. It's all built on that. Anders has also shown willingness to try to reason with people, and he's been open to changing his mind if someone gives him a glimmer of hope that they're less mageist than he thought they were - his reaction when he realizes that some people actually rejected the Tranquil solution, for example. I re-listened to all the Fenris/Anders banter and the Alistair/Morrigan banter, and Alistair and Morrigan never seem to be getting any closer to reaching an understanding. There are so many conversations with Fenris and Anders where they actually do seem to be on the verge of a breakthrough: the conversation about mage slaves in Tevinter, the conversation about suicide, even the conversation about some mages not being weak.

I love Morrigan, in some ways I actually like her more than Fen, but I feel like she's more... contrary at her core than Fenris is. My Warden was friends with her because she felt that most of the things Morrigan hated (with the exception of Alistair) were perfectly reasonable things to hate: the tower, the chantry, victimhood, defeatism. She admired Morrigan's strength, and thought that her unwillingness to put compassion for individuals above their greater cause was a valid perspective, even if it wasn't one she was quite ready to embrace herself. Alistair and Morrigan represented two very different perspectives, two very different personality types and sets of priorities.
 
In contrast, Fenris and Anders both can learn a great deal from each other. Anders absolutely needs to accept that there is a lot of truth in what Fenris says about Magisters, while Fenris needs to get over his mageism.

I have never before in the history of me thought that two people who hated each other made a compelling couple. I'm not that girl, the one who ships people together because they're hot and in proximity. I've never thought that constant arguing indicated anything other than dislike, in fact I hate rom-coms where they do the whole "I hate you I hate you let's kiss" plot. The only time when I find that plot remotely acceptable is when two people's dislike for each other comes from personal failings that they overcome over the course of coming to like the other person... which is pretty much what happens in the course of all the "good" Fenris and Anders stuff I've read.

I like Fenris and Anders together because the thing that is keeping them apart is really, really stupid, and I feel that both boys could overcome that stupidity, given an opportunity. I have more to say, but this is already far too long, and I have movie sign.

Do you think Fenris would forgive Anders' blowing up the Chantry?

[Sinaxi]

Sialater wrote...

Do you think Fenris would forgive Anders' blowing up the Chantry?

Rofl. No. Fenris literally does not give even a TINY OUNCE of a damn about Anders. "KILL HIM. AND BE DONE WITH IT." I mean, the point is they don't like each other... and they aren't going to open up to each other, have a nice talk about their feelings, why they don't like each other, and have a reasonable conversation about their different viewpoints. It's not going to happen.

Also, Fenders is dumb because clearly Anders belongs with Hawke. DUH?!?! What has gotten into you people?!

And, I'm sorry but this really is just like the whole Draco/Harry thing or any other number of hater slash ships. People ship it because they see all this brimming anger and supposed 'sexual tension', and then AFTER the point they come up with reasons as to why it could potentially work. Those kind of ships have always been silly to me, I just can't take them seriously at all.

Meh, Morrigan and Alistair honestly never seemed to hate each other as much as Fenris/Anders. They always are poking fun at each other, and I know they do dislike each other but I never viewed it as like this *REALLY* STRONG hatred. I took both of them everywhere with each other and I never ever felt that way. They do disagree on everything, which is fine but both of them are reasonable people and Alistair usually tried to not let Morrigan get to him because he knew she was just being Morrigan.

As far as hating companions, I always got the impression that the one she really couldn't stand was Leilana (and wynne lol) Which is why I don't get why people put so much emphasis on the whole Alistair/Morrigan hating each other deal. It's true, Morrigan didn't really like many of them. If anything I thought she got along the best with Alistair if I had to pick companions haha...who else would she have more fun constantly screwing with? That in no way means I believe in the whole Morrigan/Alistair shipping...but yeah, to me it just always seemed more like two siblings who hate each others guts going at it where they were concerned. No one was spared Morrigan's sarcasm and annoyance, but there are also many conversations where she speaks somewhat civilly to the companions (in her...Morrigan sort of way) and there are rarely points where Fenris and Anders do that with each other.

Oh, and deep down in my heart of hearts I think Morrigan is somewhat of a softie. very. very deep down. I absolutely adore her, Claudia Black really was so perfect for her.

You know, on this topic...I have always thought it was super rude when Fenris is pretty much arguing with Anders and decides to bring up Hawke's mom.

• Anders: By now, you must see what an injustice the templars are.
• Fenris: Must I? I see templars trying to control what they have good reason to fear.
• Anders: But they go too far.
• Fenris: Talk to Hawke about his/her mother. Ask him/her who went "too far."
• Anders: You can't hold all mages responsible for that!
• Fenris: It doesn't take all mages to cause this. Only the weak ones.

Like, what was the point of even bringing Hawke or their mother into it? It is extremely uncalled for. Using Leandra's death basically as a defense for his argument. That has always bothered me.

Modifié par Tidra, 06 août 2011 - 11:06 .

[Addai]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
I like Fenris and Anders together because the thing that is keeping them apart is really, really stupid, and I feel that both boys could overcome that stupidity, given an opportunity. I have more to say, but this is already far too long, and I have movie sign.

I think it would be nice to think that one or both of them could shift in their thinking to a more reasonable stance.  Fenris does have moments of reason where he admits not all mages are bad and that what he really fears is inherent human weakness mixed with so much power.  Circumstances might make him feel less threatened, eventually, to where he is able to take those moments of reason and become more Zen about the whole idea of mages in general.

However, I think the best that could happen is that he and Anders would loathe each other a tenth of a degree or two less.  I'm also not sure Anders is even capable of shifts in thought at this point, since he's possessed by a zealous spirit and all.

Positing that somehow a romantic relationship could come out of it... why even discuss that as if it's a rational idea?  If you ship it, just ship it as the utterly non-canon, nonsensical, made-up crack pairing that it is.  "Har har, what if they did it" is not my cup of tea, but if it gives someone a thrill, whatever.  I do dislike that it seems everything has to be made sexual in order to be interesting.  To me, an interaction between two rivals is interesting enough without that.  But that's a general pet peeve I have towards fandom.

Modifié par Addai67, 06 août 2011 - 11:13 .

[nitefyre410]

Tidra wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Do you think Fenris would forgive Anders' blowing up the Chantry?

Rofl. No. Fenris literally does not give even a TINY OUNCE of a damn about Anders. "KILL HIM. AND BE DONE WITH IT." I mean, the point is they don't like each other... and they aren't going to open up to each other, have a nice talk about their feelings, why they don't like each other, and have a reasonable conversation about their different viewpoints. It's not going to happen.

Also, Fenders is dumb because clearly Anders belongs with Hawke. DUH?!?! What has gotten into you people?!

And, I'm sorry but this really is just like the whole Draco/Harry thing or any other number of hater slash ships. People ship it because they see all this brimming anger and supposed 'sexual tension', and then AFTER the point they come up with reasons as to why it could potentially work. Those kind of ships have always been silly to me, I just can't take them seriously at all.

Meh, Morrigan and Alistair honestly never seemed to hate each other as much as Fenris/Anders. They always are poking fun at each other, and I know they do dislike each other but I never viewed it as like this *REALLY* STRONG hatred. I took both of them everywhere with each other and I never ever felt that way. They do disagree on everything, which is fine but both of them are reasonable people and Alistair usually tried to not let Morrigan get to him because he knew she was just being Morrigan.


[*]

[*] I always saw Morrigan and Alistar as  kinda like siblings that consantly like to  work each others nerves to  no end.   No real  hate. 
[*]Anders and Fenris those two are like  Logan and  Victor Creed - if  Hawke was not around it would be a very bloody scene.

[Wulfram]

It's hard to say that Fenris/Anders couldn't happen when they can both have rivalmances with a Hawke who isn't much less extreme in his/her positions

[Sinaxi]

nitefyre410 wrote...
 I always saw Morrigan and Alistar as  kinda like siblings that consantly like to  work each others nerves to  no end.   No real  hate. 
Anders and Fenris those two are like  Logan and  Victor Creed - if  Hawke was not around it would be a very bloody scene.

At least I'm not the only one who thinks that about Morrigan/Alistair..since usually I see people who are all like "AMG. They HATE each other's guts." I just guess I never really saw it as being that bad. They were my two favorite people to keep together in the party because of how they acted around each other, since it wasn't this horrid tension filled animosity. It was different. It's no where near as bad as Fenris and Anders...not by a long shot.

[Amondra]

Tidra wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Do you think Fenris would forgive Anders' blowing up the Chantry?

*snip and I completely agree*

You know, on this topic...I have always thought it was super rude when Fenris is pretty much arguing with Anders and decides to bring up Hawke's mom.

• Anders: By now, you must see what an injustice the templars are.
• Fenris: Must I? I see templars trying to control what they have good reason to fear.
• Anders: But they go too far.
• Fenris: Talk to Hawke about his/her mother. Ask him/her who went "too far."
• Anders: You can't hold all mages responsible for that!
• Fenris: It doesn't take all mages to cause this. Only the weak ones.

Like, what was the point of even bringing Hawke or their mother into it? It is extremely uncalled for. Using Leandra's death basically as a defense for his argument. That has always bothered me.

[*] I agree it bothered me too, I was like really? Did you just go there? I wanted my Hawke to turn around and punch his teeth down his throat for that one.  It's like after it happened it becomes everyone's excuse for why mages are evil.

[Sinaxi]

Wulfram wrote...
It's hard to say that Fenris/Anders couldn't happen when they can both have rivalmances with a Hawke who isn't much less extreme in his/her positions

I guess. If you agree with rivalmances in general. I just don't. Those "romances" aren't liable to last, not when you have this ridiculously volatile relationship with someone. It might be different for the other characters but as far as Anders goes...rivaling Anders is probably one of the worst things someone could do in the game but that is just my opinion. You literally strip away every single hope or admirable quality from the guy and leave him as a shell. The irony is that by repeatedly telling him he has "no control" over Justice, he starts to have blackouts and can't even remember what is going on. You push him further and further into depression and paranoia.

To top it off, people that make him side with Templars...like...I once again, have no words. It's just way too cruel..but this comes from the perspective of a very Mage Supporting player so if people don't agree that's fine. I just think it's terrible that you have already basically taken his cause and hope for change away from him, and then tell him to go in there and side with the people he merged with Justice in the first place to stop. Just. Ugh. I hate that, so much.

It's not as if on friendship he doesn't feel sorry for what he did or something. But I find it so much more admirable that he will turn you down if you choose to side the Templars, vs being cowed by what I would consider a malicious Hawke into turning on his own people. That, and if you let him go he will come back to fight you. I view those all as superior traits and decisions to any he makes on rivalry path.

Just why I think the rivalry romances are so ridiculous...>.< I know people argue that some of the characters change for the better, and that might be true...but like, idk. Romancing them? It just. Yeah. It feels forced and/or unstable.

Modifié par Tidra, 06 août 2011 - 11:49 .

[SurelyForth]

Wulfram wrote...

It's hard to say that Fenris/Anders couldn't happen when they can both have rivalmances with a Hawke who isn't much less extreme in his/her positions

I've said it before:

Fenris is not anti-mage!Hawke.
Anders is not mage!Hawke.

Hawke has a few defining characteristics. One one of those is that s/he, in order to build the relationship with her companions, has to interact with them on a certain level and gain a certain amount of respect in order to pursue anything romantic. 

Anders latches onto Hawke because Hawke HAS TO accept him at some level. He has to be talked to and his quests done. He can be argued with, but not denied certain interations. 

This is where Fenders is just like a rivalmance thing fails: So imagine Fenris is in Hawke's place and does the Tranquility quest (which is unlikely, considering he wouldn't be keen on helping a strange mage help another strange mage break out of the Chantry). What do you suppose his reaction to Vengeance/Janders is going to be? I can't see it being anything other than heartpunching or "You wait here why I rustle up some templars." It certainly wouldn't be "all right! We have some caves to raid tomorrow, wanna come with?" I mean...Fenris doesn't trust mages, he's certainly not going to trust an abomination to follow him the way Hawke does. On the off chance that he lets Anders walk away free, do you think he's going to stick around for the whole story? Do you think there's any part of him that cares? I don't. Not that early. In Anders' case...not ever.

As for Fenris: He respects a rivaled Hawke. They connect on that level, if nothing else. It doesn't make him nicer at all (he's still just as touchy as can be in some instances), but it holds them together. Fenris has no respect for Anders. None. He can't see past the abomination thing. He can't see him as anything other than a fool who threw away his life for a cause that should not be and is endangering everyone around him with his very existence. Without respect, then they're just arguing and Fenris is turning everything Hawke says into an insult against himself. Heck, even with respect, he calls their first night together a mistake. You know how hurt Anders is when you dump him after sex? Yeah. That would work beautifully.

And, to address CGG's  issue: What can Fenris teach Anders about the Magisters? Anders knows that they use blood magic, and they own slaves and society isn't awesome for non-magisters, including mages. He says a few times that he doesn't want to turn Thedas into the Imperium. Do you think Fenris knows any more than what he saw with his own eyes? Do you think he knows, or has ready, alternatives for the system that would work? And, even if he did, why would he care enough to share it with Anders? He's barely able to care for Hawke until he sorts his own ****...what do you see that I'm missing that would make you think he has the willingness or the knowledge to teach Anders beyond "Using magic the way the Chantry uses a fear of magic is not the way to go". And what makes you think Anders would even consider going the route of the Imperium when his line has consistently been about equality and choice for mages and not tyranny?

I have entertained so many possibilities where Fenders might happen, but it just does not work for me. Ever. And it's not even that interesting to me. I find a rivalmance between Hawke/Anders more interesting than Fenders. I find Fenris/Isabela more interesting than even that, and that's canon (it also earns Bela a lot of hate from some Fenders fans, which is one of the reasons why I even voice my WTFness over Fenders).

Modifié par SurelyForth, 06 août 2011 - 11:59 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Having rivaled both Merrill and Fenris, and going through most of Isabela's rival romance (seeing the rest on youtube)... I think that the rival romances work for them.

Isabela starts actively trying to become a better person because of it.
Fenris starts to move past his hatred, and realizes he only hurts himself anymore
Merrill sees how foolish and naive she was in the end.

Anders however... from what I have seen the rival romance truly beats the will out of him.
I dont see the rival romance working for him.

For the others it works fine.
There is just more tension.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Addai67 wrote...
I do dislike that it seems everything has to be made sexual in order to be interesting.  To me, an interaction between two rivals is interesting enough without that.  But that's a general pet peeve I have towards fandom.

Yes I strongly dislike this attitude. It's like friendship or mutual respect can't exist without physical attraction these days. 
Everything has to be sexualized, as somehow illustrating depth (while more often, it ends up being a mask to hide shallowness).

For instance, after X-Men First class, I heard and talked to a few who believe Charles and Eric had ******-erotic tension. Yea, no. They love each other without any kind of sexuaity involved.

Of course people can do whatever they want in FFs, which is in fact why I don't bother to read any barring a very select few. But it is something that makes me roll my eyes.

[Giggles_Manically]

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