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[ipgd]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

For instance, after X-Men First class, I heard and talked to a few who believe Charles and Eric had ******-erotic tension. Yea, no. They love each other without any kind of sexuaity involved.

lololol i doubt the writers were explicitly implying a sexual relationship, but the actors were certainly playing the audiencetease up. homoeroticism doesn't even begin

also fenders makes me throw up etc. hello anderps thread!

[Sialater]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

 A link that bears some relevance to this discussion! 

Oh.  God.  Remind me to never be drinking ANYTHING while reading this thread.

[Dhiro]

Fenders make me throw up a little in my mouth, but that's just me.

[nitefyre410]

Addai67 wrote...
I do dislike that it seems everything has to be made sexual in order to be interesting.  To me, an interaction between two rivals is interesting enough without that.  But that's a general pet peeve I have towards fandom.

Oh  no  the world  is coming an end  -  we agree on  something   lol

For instance, after X-Men First class, I heard and talked to a few who believe Charles and Eric had ******-erotic tension. Yea, no. They love each other without any kind of sexuaity involved.

Wait hold on let me think about  this ....... F**K NO!(+10 internets to anyone who gets the movie reference)     


As a X-men fan that is mind breaking that  people would even think that .  What just becasue   Xavier  access a memory about  Erik mother  that was so dear him he was crying becasue he thought could never  feel that away and one of the side affects of  Telepathy is empathy. I am not even going to get started but  NO!.   

Modifié par nitefyre410, 07 août 2011 - 12:23 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

nitefyre410 wrote...

For instance, after X-Men First class, I heard and talked to a few who believe Charles and Eric had ******-erotic tension. Yea, no. They love each other without any kind of sexuaity involved.

Wait hold on let me think about  this ....... F**K NO!(+10 internets to anyone who gets the movie reference)     


As a X-men fan that is mind breaking that  people would even think that .  What just becasue   Xavier  access a memory about  Erik mother  that was so dear him he was crying becasue he thought could never  feel that away and one of the side affects of  Telepathy is empathy. I am not even going to get started but  NO!.   

I am pretty sure some perverse mind interpretted "focus lies between rage and serenity", as sexual tips and lessons.

[Giggles_Manically]

Yaoi!

Murdering characters in the name of slash since time immemorial!

[KnightofPhoenix]

Remembered this though:

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 07 août 2011 - 12:29 .

[nitefyre410]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

For instance, after X-Men First class, I heard and talked to a few who believe Charles and Eric had ******-erotic tension. Yea, no. They love each other without any kind of sexuaity involved.

Wait hold on let me think about  this ....... F**K NO!(+10 internets to anyone who gets the movie reference)     


As a X-men fan that is mind breaking that  people would even think that .  What just becasue   Xavier  access a memory about  Erik mother  that was so dear him he was crying becasue he thought could never  feel that away and one of the side affects of  Telepathy is empathy. I am not even going to get started but  NO!.   

I am pretty sure some perverse mind interpretted "focus lies between rage and serenity", as sexual tips and lessons.

The depths of rage I feel at this perversion of on the most complex and moving friendships in  fiction that I have read -   knows no end  nor bounds.   
 

[ipgd]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Wait hold on let me think about  this ....... F**K NO!(+10 internets to anyone who gets the movie reference)     


As a X-men fan that is mind breaking that  people would even think that .  What just becasue   Xavier  access a memory about  Erik mother  that was so dear him he was crying becasue he thought could never  feel that away and one of the side affects of  Telepathy is empathy. I am not even going to get started but  NO!.   

It probably had more to do with all the touching and the sap and this lolololol. They knew what they were doing.

There's a whole world of non-commital gay ship teasing out there and America is just now learning the value of bringing in female viewers by hinting at the imaginary possibility of the gay without actually having to do anything gay. Something as flaming as First Class didn't happen by accident :innocent:

Modifié par ipgd, 07 août 2011 - 12:38 .

[nitefyre410]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Remembered this though:

OH God that show was great growing up but  now ... just  ...  blarg

[Heidenreich]

*peeks in cautiously* are we all done picking on Fenris so I can come back and participate with out wanting to froth and write nine-page arguments about why he's not as terrible as people think?

Cuz I like it in here.

*sniffles*

[nitefyre410]

ipgd wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Wait hold on let me think about  this ....... F**K NO!(+10 internets to anyone who gets the movie reference)     


As a X-men fan that is mind breaking that  people would even think that .  What just becasue   Xavier  access a memory about  Erik mother  that was so dear him he was crying becasue he thought could never  feel that away and one of the side affects of  Telepathy is empathy. I am not even going to get started but  NO!.   

It probably had more to do with all the touching and the sap and this lolololol. They knew what they were doing.

There's a whole world of non-commital gay ship teasing out there and America is just now learning the value of bringing in female viewers by hinting at the imaginary possibility of the gay without actually having to do anything gay. Something as flaming as First class didn't happen by accident :innocent:

LMAO....    not helping   jk  

Really though I don't mind when it too characters that wrtten like tha from the jump street.  Touchwood:Mircle Day  even    ninja'd in a   man on man sex scene   in on me  and  I was not  expecting and my only reaction was... "Oh..okay." 

But  Xavier/ Magneto   that is almost  as bad as   Logan/ Gambit... yes it does exist

[ipgd]

nitefyre410 wrote...

LMAO....    not helping   jk  

Really though I don't mind when it too characters that wrtten like tha from the jump street.  Touchwood:Mircle Day  even    ninja'd in a   man on man sex scene   in on me  and  I was not  expecting and my only reaction was... "Oh..okay." 

But  Xavier/ Magneto   that is almost  as bad as   Logan/ Gambit... yes it does exist

I'm just saying it's not the fangirls being crazy this time. Blame the guys who made the movie so damn gay in the first place

Fenders is totally the fangirls being crazy, though. Look, I'm on topic!

[nitefyre410]

ipgd wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

LMAO....    not helping   jk  

Really though I don't mind when it too characters that wrtten like tha from the jump street.  Touchwood:Mircle Day  even    ninja'd in a   man on man sex scene   in on me  and  I was not  expecting and my only reaction was... "Oh..okay." 

But  Xavier/ Magneto   that is almost  as bad as   Logan/ Gambit... yes it does exist

I'm just saying it's not the fangirls being crazy this time. Blame the guys who made the movie so damn gay in the first place

Fenders is totally the fangirls being crazy, though. Look, I'm on topic!

LMAO that's  such a cleaver insult at  movie that  I halfway  enjoyed  that I can't even  get mad...  (Xavier. hair  *Twitch*)

Fender Benders  is  good name  for those fangirls  cause that is  what  thiat pairing is  a complete  and utter wreck

[Dhiro]

nitefyre410 wrote...

ipgd wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

LMAO....    not helping   jk  

Really though I don't mind when it too characters that wrtten like tha from the jump street.  Touchwood:Mircle Day  even    ninja'd in a   man on man sex scene   in on me  and  I was not  expecting and my only reaction was... "Oh..okay." 

But  Xavier/ Magneto   that is almost  as bad as   Logan/ Gambit... yes it does exist

I'm just saying it's not the fangirls being crazy this time. Blame the guys who made the movie so damn gay in the first place

Fenders is totally the fangirls being crazy, though. Look, I'm on topic!

LMAO that's  such a cleaver insult at  movie that  I halfway  enjoyed  that I can't even  get mad...  (Xavier. hair  *Twitch*)

Fender Benders  is  good name  for those fangirls  cause that is  what  thiat pairing is  a complete  and utter wreck

Insult? Where? In my book, "damn gay" is a hell of a compliment.

[ipgd]

Dhiro wrote...

Insult? Where? In my book, "damn gay" is a hell of a compliment.

Well, I didn't particularly mind watching what was basically a two hour Xavier/Magneto fanfic, but I can understand how others might not be so amenable.

[Sialater]

Heidenreich wrote...

*peeks in cautiously* are we all done picking on Fenris so I can come back and participate with out wanting to froth and write nine-page arguments about why he's not as terrible as people think?

Cuz I like it in here.

*sniffles*

I like him.  He's got one of my Hawkes.  (I only have two.)

[YamiSnuffles]

Heidenreich wrote...

*peeks in cautiously* are we all done picking on Fenris so I can come back and participate with out wanting to froth and write nine-page arguments about why he's not as terrible as people think?

Cuz I like it in here.

*sniffles*

I think people are mostly complaining about Fenders... not Fenris in particular now. But we may have moved past that. Or, at least, I hope we've moved past that because I'm honestly not sure how we talk about something so nonsensical for so long. I suppose I'm not one to talk though. I have written up many walls of text on the topic and then covertly erased them instead of posting them. 

I like Fenris. I like Anders. I just don't see why people want to smash them together. But now I am rambling instead of actually responding to anything you said.

[KnightofPhoenix]

ipgd wrote...
I'm just saying it's not the fangirls being crazy this time. Blame the guys who made the movie so damn gay in the first place

Maybe it's just me, but I saw little that was gay about it.

Then again, back home guys hold hands without it meaning anything.

[Sialater]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

ipgd wrote...
I'm just saying it's not the fangirls being crazy this time. Blame the guys who made the movie so damn gay in the first place

Maybe it's just me, but I saw little that was gay about it.

Then again, back home guys hold hands without it meaning anything.

I didn't see it, either.

[nitefyre410]

Sialater wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

ipgd wrote...
I'm just saying it's not the fangirls being crazy this time. Blame the guys who made the movie so damn gay in the first place

Maybe it's just me, but I saw little that was gay about it.

Then again, back home guys hold hands without it meaning anything.

I didn't see it, either.

Because it does not exist ...

[ipgd]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Maybe it's just me, but I saw little that was gay about it.

Then again, back home guys hold hands without it meaning anything.

Well, of course. There's nothing actually gay, it's just gay enough that the people who want to see the gay will see the gay and the people who don't want to see the gay won't have heart attacks. But in 2011 America, this glorious era of gay hypersensitivity, this stuff doesn't just happen accidentally.

Fangirls are the easiest demographic to pander to, I'm telling you! Throw them a little chip and they'll invent themselves an entire bone in their head, and then return to buy more imaginary bones.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Tidra wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Do you think Fenris would forgive Anders' blowing up the Chantry?

Also, Fenders is dumb because clearly Anders belongs with Hawke. DUH?!?! What has gotten into you people?!

And, I'm sorry but this really is just like the whole Draco/Harry thing or any other number of hater slash ships. People ship it because they see all this brimming anger and supposed 'sexual tension', and then AFTER the point they come up with reasons as to why it could potentially work. Those kind of ships have always been silly to me, I just can't take them seriously at all.

See, I don't think Fenris is actually that upset over the Chantry itself. He seems kind of unaffected. It's the whole "siding with the mages" that makes him pissed off, not the "refusing to kill Anders" bit.

Also, here's what makes me want to keep speaking up in the Fenders debate: I can't stand it when people try to tell me why I like a thing, and they're wrong. And 90% of the Fenders debate always seems to be people who don't like Fenders trying to explain why people who do like it like it, with this result.

I hate Harry/Draco. I pretty much hate anyone/Draco. I never even read a slashfic before this fandom (note: I had read original stories with gay characters, I do not count that as slash). And I didn't "ship" Fenders and try to "come up with a reason," rather I followed a link from an artist whose Garruses I liked and read a comic that I liked, and then said "hey, that comic makes a lot of sense to me." I read a story where the actions happened to make sense and seem in-character for the characters as I understood them... this was actually the first slash story I ever read on my own and didn't dislike for one reason or another. Since then I've read a ton of comics and fics with a bunch of Anders pairings. Some I feel are in-character, some aren't. I judge things on a fic by fic basis.

Most people I know who like Fenders happened upon it in similar ways. They clicked on a link and were like "not sure if want" and then "I'm Ok with this." (I'm too lazy to find GIFs.) If it doesn't make sense for you, that's fine... that's your understanding of the character. The incarnation of each character that lives in our head is always going to be a bit different from someone else's, but I get annoyed when someone says that I'm wrong when I read a story and my instinct says "that sounds perfectly reasonable." If your instinct says something different, I'm fine with that. Let me have my own instincts without saying they come from an imperfect understanding of the character.

Another quick aside: a long time ago I was reading an interview with J.K. Rowling, and someone confessed to being a Snape fangirl, and asked Rowling how she felt about that. Rowling laughed and said "do people really like Snape? He's not meant to be attractive, I think you're just confusing him with Alan Rickman."(I'm paraphrasing here.) I was completely gobsmacked when I heard that answer. Snape is one of the most attractive characters I've encountered in decades, and she did that by accident? That's when I realized that the versions of characters we create in our heads may sometimes be deeper and more interesting than the ones the authors intended.

So I'm not a yaoi fangirl who thinks that you gotta put any two hawt guys together so they can have sex and be interesting. Honestly, my favorite fic with Anders and Fenris is one that is entirely not a slashfic, but rather it's them both on the run with a Fen-mancing Hawke, before Anders finally splits off from the group. In the fic, Fenris is having to deal with the fact that Anders is important to Hawke (even without a romance) and the mage cause may be worth fighting for (becasue Hawke has decided to fight for it.) So the fic is rational debate porn, without any sex... but the rational debate part is the bit I like.

I'm just a girl who read a story once and thought it was pretty good. Since then, I've felt the same way about stories with a lot of different pairings, and I don't even particularly favor Fenders. I'd say 80% of the fic I read is Hawke/Anders. I'm not saying you're wrong if you don't like Fenders, or if you don't get it, I'm just annoyed when people who don't like it imply that they have a better understanding of the characters than fans who do, and then give a bunch of crazy inaccurate reasons for that. That's all.

In conclusion, to badly misappropriate Kipling, "There are nine and sixy ways of constructing Anders lays, and every single one of them is right."

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 07 août 2011 - 02:09 .

[SurelyForth]

@CGG My issue with that comic is...why? When does Anders ever express any thought that he finds Fenris appealing at all? Like most romantic Fenders fics, it assumes that Anders and Fenris would find each other attractive on any level. That's an almost impossible hurdle for me considering there is literally nothing in game to base it on besides the fact that both can be attracted to men. All evidence points to hate moving towards still hate (on Anders' side) and disdain (on Fenris'). Batty even admits that she mucks around with Anders' characterization to make him someone she likes better, and she likes him with Fenris.

My opinion is that any area where a character is being made to act in OOC ways to fit a fanart type purpose then they cease to be canon and, therefore, not pertinent to discussion on a board such as this. Once we move so far into hypotheticals and "well, if Anders would just be more rational!" or "if Anders would just see what a hot piece of man-meat Fenris is!" discussion becomes impossible because (for example) I'm going to use in game examples to support Anders' inability to be rational about certain things around certain people, and you're going to use fan art examples where a writer maybe separated him from Justice and there's no accounting for consistency between the two.

[Giggles_Manically]

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