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[L.C.]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

On a different note, I'm not quite sure how I feel about the recent announcement that DA3 is going to have a different main character yet again. BW said that it doesn't mean past companions can't make a reappearance (like the DA2 cameos, I guess)...but I'm not sure a cameo is quite gonna cut it in Anders' case...

Also, considering how bugged the DA2 cameos were...and still are.

I feel like Anders' story reached its apex at the end of DA2, and including him in a hugely major way in a sequel would be really anticlimactic and potentially very messy from both technical and storyline standpoints.

Anders is going to be a very, very hated figure in the DA universe.

Chantry loyalists and religious figures are going to want him very, very dead. Some mages might revere his actions as heroic for the cause, but there's going to be groups of mages who don't agree with what he did and hate him because they're going to get vicariously lumped in by association with 'the mage who blew up the Chantry and killed the Grand Cleric'. A lot of people are going to suffer because of what he did, even if it ends up being for the best in the end. And the Wardens aren't happy with him, either. And I daresay that the general 'common populace' who may not have a dog in the fight regarding mages are just going to know their lives have just been shifted into war, and some of them are going to blame Hawke/Anders.

He's burned a hell of a lot of bridges.

Modifié par Leah.C, 10 août 2011 - 11:51 .

[nitefyre410]

Arquen wrote...

I can only kill Anders on rivalry playthrough. To get him to side with the Templars is just to sad! If I am going to side with the Templars (omg what is wrong with me right!?. yeah yeah) I just murder knife him. Especially if rivaled. I don't like to side with the Templars if I friend him because I hate having to kill him when he comes back.

That is the only time I feel his murder knife is more a mercy than anything. I mean how messed up is it to murder knife him and then side with the mages? Basically saying "yeah you need to die for your crimes, but don't worry I'll support your dream and carry on the plan without you!"

I actually only kept Seb on one playthrough, LOL. I may be one of the few out there who actually liked Seb though, but his hissy fit walking out at the end is so irresistible. That, and I can't bring myself to murder Anders for no good reason other than Seb tells me to.

My Hawkes go from disbelief, to anger, to WTF, but my main and personal reaction is pretty much summed up in my signature -- "GODDAMNIT ANDERS!"

 

I like Seb - I just  can't use  him  as much because Anders is  the only  'Healer' in the game.  *glatres at  Bioware* yeah they need to fix that.  Seb reminds of the a mix of Ezio Auditore  De Firenze and Nightclawer.         

Lol -  You could jump into some of the Mage vs Templar threads that around  and see some of the roundabout 'Logic' that some people use to support Templars - its really not that shocking .  

In the end I think  "GODDAMNIT ANDERS "  covers how I feel  when it comes to him exactly.
 

[Nilfalasiel]

Leah.C wrote...

I feel like Anders' story reached its apex at the end of DA2, and including him in a hugely major way in a sequel would be really anticlimactic and potentially very messy from both technical and storyline standpoints.

Anders is going to be a very, very hated figure in the DA universe.

Chantry loyalists and religious figures are going to want him very, very dead. Some mages might revere his actions as heroic for the cause, but there's going to be groups of mages who don't agree with what he did and hate him because they're going to get vicariously lumped in by association with 'the mage who blew up the Chantry and killed the Grand Cleric'. A lot of people are going to suffer because of what he did, even if it ends up being for the best in the end. And the Wardens aren't happy with him, either.

He's burned a hell of a lot of bridges.

He sure has, but the point is that, for better or for worse, he is now one of the most important characters in the DA-verse, regardless of how people feel about what he did. It's not everybody in Thedas who has "singlehandedly started a revolution" on their CV. It's a little difficult to imagine that they'll simply sweep the entire mage-Templar war under the rug come DA3, and since Anders triggered the entire thing, it seems strange to drop his involvement with a "he ran off into the sunset with Hawke and was never seen again". I'd imagine that, if he was left alive, he'd want to get involved in the war in some way or another.

Of course, if he's dead, none of that applies. Other than the fact that Justice could very well still be around.

Then again, it's not exactly the first time that important DA plotlines have seemingly fizzled out *looks at Morrigan*

Eh well, time will tell, I guess.

[L.C.]

I think he'd _want_ to continue doing something, I just don't know how actually feasible that is for him.

With so many people wanting to get their hands on him for one reason or another, he really can't afford to risk it. I just can't logically see a role for him in the spotlight, or anywhere on the front lines.

(This is all just my personal opinion, of course.)

Modifié par Leah.C, 10 août 2011 - 12:54 .

[YamiSnuffles]

While I agree that Anders is a hugely important figure in Thedas, that doesn't mean he has to play a huge role in DA3. He could easily appear a few times as a side figure, with a few cameos, and otherwise just be mentioned by other characters. Whether he lives or dies, he could still continue on in whatever stories people are telling about him. If he died, they could just be wild legends related to the Chantry bombing and Hawke. If he's still alive, there could be speculation on what he (and Hawke if romanced) are up to.

nitefyre410 wrote...

Seb reminds of the a mix of Ezio Auditore  De Firenze and Nightclawer.        
 

I... just... what?... no. Ezio is actually good at what he does and, you know, does it. He wants revenge, he gets revenge. He doesn't just hire some random person to do it for him.

If anyone is like Ezio it's:

[Heidenreich]

nitefyre410 wrote...


I like Seb - I just  can't use  him  as much because Anders is  the only  'Healer' in the game.  *glatres at  Bioware* yeah they need to fix that.  Seb reminds of the a mix of Ezio Auditore  De Firenze and Nightclawer.         

Lol -  You could jump into some of the Mage vs Templar threads that around  and see some of the roundabout 'Logic' that some people use to support Templars - its really not that shocking .  

In the end I think  "GODDAMNIT ANDERS "  covers how I feel  when it comes to him exactly.
 

I'm going to quote myself here.

Heidenreich wrote...




Except its intirely possible to play the game, even on nightmare, with out Anders. A Mage Hawke can have healing
spells, and all other classes and combinations of comapnions you bring with you can drink health potions, of which there are three different types. There are also several different forms of Cc outside of GoP. I
like to stack merrill with entropy for sleep and horror, give Varric thevarious fog/stun flasks .. 

and lets not forget the potion of mythal, which is effectively a resurection spell that can be used by all
party members and only caries a personal cooldown ;p

So, yea

Carrying Anders soully because of his creation tree is a weak excuse! YOU BRING HIM BECAUSE YOU LIKE HIM, DON'T LIE.

Anders being the only "healer" is a weak excuse. You bring him along because you like him. Don't lie.

Modifié par Heidenreich, 10 août 2011 - 01:24 .

[Arquen]

Agreed there, as far as gameplay it isn't necessary to bring Anders simply for healing purposes.

Stock up on health potions and set tactics for your companions to use them when they get to a certain health point and ta!da! no healer required. Also, if Hawke is a healer there really isn't a need for Anders in the party.

My Anders build is actually one hellion of a badass. He's extremely powerful and I put attack speed on his staff so he can shoot fireballs ridiculously fast at enemies. If his lightning storm doesn't eat you alive while paralyzing you in place his meteor storm and ice will get you. He uses group heal as often as possible and he has Haste and regular heal as well.

I also give him trinkets to make him immune to knockdown and stun so he can keep on casting heals even if the party is getting creamed. I bring him because he is awesome, not specifically because he is a healer.

[YamiSnuffles]

Arquen wrote...

I also give him trinkets to make him immune to knockdown and stun so he can keep on casting heals even if the party is getting creamed. I bring him because he is awesome, not specifically because he is a healer.

Oh man, in my latest playthrough, Anders was one of the few I had who was immune to stun. So while fighting Meredith, he was one of the only ones who could keep going when she stunned everyone. The funny thing was, while the other non-stunned people like Aveline were fighting the statues, Anders was the only one attacking Meredith. He just kept hurling a non-stop stream of spells at her. It was glorious and oh so appropriate.

[nitefyre410]

Heidenreich wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...


I like Seb - I just  can't use  him  as much because Anders is  the only  'Healer' in the game.  *glatres at  Bioware* yeah they need to fix that.  Seb reminds of the a mix of Ezio Auditore  De Firenze and Nightclawer.         

Lol -  You could jump into some of the Mage vs Templar threads that around  and see some of the roundabout 'Logic' that some people use to support Templars - its really not that shocking .  

In the end I think  "GODDAMNIT ANDERS "  covers how I feel  when it comes to him exactly.
 

I'm going to quote myself here.

Heidenreich wrote...




Except its intirely possible to play the game, even on nightmare, with out Anders. A Mage Hawke can have healing
spells, and all other classes and combinations of comapnions you bring with you can drink health potions, of which there are three different types. There are also several different forms of Cc outside of GoP. I
like to stack merrill with entropy for sleep and horror, give Varric thevarious fog/stun flasks .. 

and lets not forget the potion of mythal, which is effectively a resurection spell that can be used by all
party members and only caries a personal cooldown ;p

So, yea

Carrying Anders soully because of his creation tree is a weak excuse! YOU BRING HIM BECAUSE YOU LIKE HIM, DON'T LIE.

Anders being the only "healer" is a weak excuse. You bring him along because you like him. Don't lie.

 

I never said I didn't... but I still would have like one other healer to use  other party  members from time to time. 


gameplay wise its annoying to have only one healer  espiecal if i wanna try different grp combos.  

Modifié par nitefyre410, 10 août 2011 - 02:23 .

[esper]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Arquen wrote...

I also give him trinkets to make him immune to knockdown and stun so he can keep on casting heals even if the party is getting creamed. I bring him because he is awesome, not specifically because he is a healer.

Oh man, in my latest playthrough, Anders was one of the few I had who was immune to stun. So while fighting Meredith, he was one of the only ones who could keep going when she stunned everyone. The funny thing was, while the other non-stunned people like Aveline were fighting the statues, Anders was the only one attacking Meredith. He just kept hurling a non-stop stream of spells at her. It was glorious and oh so appropriate.

I encountered the weirdest bug in one of my playthrough were all, but Anders were permently affected by Meridith stun attack so Anders was the only one who kept fighting the rest just stood there.  

[YamiSnuffles]

esper wrote...

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Arquen wrote...

I also give him trinkets to make him immune to knockdown and stun so he can keep on casting heals even if the party is getting creamed. I bring him because he is awesome, not specifically because he is a healer.

Oh man, in my latest playthrough, Anders was one of the few I had who was immune to stun. So while fighting Meredith, he was one of the only ones who could keep going when she stunned everyone. The funny thing was, while the other non-stunned people like Aveline were fighting the statues, Anders was the only one attacking Meredith. He just kept hurling a non-stop stream of spells at her. It was glorious and oh so appropriate.

I encountered the weirdest bug in one of my playthrough were all, but Anders were permently affected by Meridith stun attack so Anders was the only one who kept fighting the rest just stood there.  

Nothing, not even a bug, will keep Anders from trying to kill Meredith apparently. Haha.

[Arquen]

It's not a bug.. she's supposed to stun everyone. If the stun doesn't go off then it is because they have some trinket or were out of the blast radius of her skill or something.

My rogue Hawke was immune to stun. Fenris is immune to stun and knockdown. Anders is immune to stun, and so like all 3 of us were wailing on Meredith while she is all blah blah blah talking time and we are supposed to be stunned, LOL. It was hilariously glorious.

Also, Anders vs Meredith appropriate PIC:


I want to be like... Punch HER.. DO IT!

[esper]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

esper wrote...

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Arquen wrote...

I also give him trinkets to make him immune to knockdown and stun so he can keep on casting heals even if the party is getting creamed. I bring him because he is awesome, not specifically because he is a healer.

Oh man, in my latest playthrough, Anders was one of the few I had who was immune to stun. So while fighting Meredith, he was one of the only ones who could keep going when she stunned everyone. The funny thing was, while the other non-stunned people like Aveline were fighting the statues, Anders was the only one attacking Meredith. He just kept hurling a non-stop stream of spells at her. It was glorious and oh so appropriate.

I encountered the weirdest bug in one of my playthrough were all, but Anders were permently affected by Meridith stun attack so Anders was the only one who kept fighting the rest just stood there.  

Nothing, not even a bug, will keep Anders from trying to kill Meredith apparently. Haha.

It was oddly appropiate, because it was my one rival playthrough so I could totally see this scene play for my eye:

Hawke: Urghh stunned again! That is it! I refuse to fight anymore. (Stops moving.)

Anders:but...

Hawke: You started this! You finish it!

Anders fights Meridith alone.

Hawke (I SO glad I picked this side.)

  

[cmessaz]

My Hawkette that sided with Templars had him join her because she felt it was what he deserved. She saw it as atonement for what he did, as does he. He does imply suicide, he actually pretty much outright says as much if you use the snarky option (which made me feel like an ass btw). I personally won't kill Anders. Not that I don't understand other people that do, I just never will. I'm a baby.

[SurelyForth]

cmessaz wrote...

My Hawkette that sided with Templars had him join her because she felt it was what he deserved. She saw it as atonement for what he did, as does he. He does imply suicide, he actually pretty much outright says as much if you use the snarky option (which made me feel like an ass btw). I personally won't kill Anders. Not that I don't understand other people that do, I just never will. I'm a baby.

Were I ever to REALLY side with the templars, I would set him free, personally. That way, he dies defending the mages which is  (IMO) more fitting considering he's the reason they're going to be killed.

And I don't think he really sees it as atonement (killing those condemned for a crime he committed?).  I think he'd agree with anything Hawke said there because he's just that broken.

[Sinaxi]

"Felt that was what he deserved" lol....yes. He deserves to be cowed into going against everything he believes in just to commit suicide directly afterward. It is much more merciful to kill him on rivalry path, otherwise forcing him to Templar side is like the epitome of a dick move.

Not that I have anything against people who do that just to see what happens in the game, but a canon playthrough set like that just irks me to no end. That and I just don't side with Templars. So yeaaah lol....

[cmessaz]

SurelyForth wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

My Hawkette that sided with Templars had him join her because she felt it was what he deserved. She saw it as atonement for what he did, as does he. He does imply suicide, he actually pretty much outright says as much if you use the snarky option (which made me feel like an ass btw). I personally won't kill Anders. Not that I don't understand other people that do, I just never will. I'm a baby.

Were I ever to REALLY side with the templars, I would set him free, personally. That way, he dies defending the mages which is  (IMO) more fitting considering he's the reason they're going to be killed.

And I don't think he really sees it as atonement (killing those condemned for a crime he committed?).  I think he'd agree with anything Hawke said there because he's just that broken.

Oh he's definately broken. It's possible, that Hawkette was a b*tch so...poor guy. But it's just how I rped it. When I rival romance him I actually prefer to side with mages at the end just because to me, after living with the guy for 3 years, she'd probably at least begin to change her tune.

[cmessaz]

Tidra wrote...

"Felt that was what he deserved" lol....yes. He deserves to be cowed into going against everything he believes in just to commit suicide directly afterward. It is much more merciful to kill him on rivalry path, otherwise forcing him to Templar side is like the epitome of a dick move.

Not that I have anything against people who do that just to see what happens in the game, but a canon playthrough set like that just irks me to no end. That and I just don't side with Templars. So yeaaah lol....

To be clear, this is not how *I* feel. It's how I rped her. I personally am all about running off to start a revolution I just like to see the other side. And I was told "hey once you side with Templars you might just change your mind about the whole thing" and actually...it just made me even more inclined to agree with Anders.

Modifié par cmessaz, 10 août 2011 - 03:42 .

[Sinaxi]

No I know, I just like...can't even do a playthrough as a jackass Hawke. If I tried to start one I would like chicken out and start being nice rofl >.< I just can't. I would be like AW, POOR ANDERS! LET'S KILL TEMPLARS YAYYAYAYAY!!

I don't think I can even do a PT where I rival him. I just hate how broken it makes him so I wouldn't ever do it haha.

Modifié par Tidra, 10 août 2011 - 03:44 .

[cmessaz]

Tidra wrote...

No I know, I just like...can't even do a playthrough as a jackass Hawke. If I tried to start one I would like chicken out and start being nice rofl >.< I just can't. I would be like AW, POOR ANDERS! LET'S KILL TEMPLARS YAYYAYAYAY!!

I needed support. Ask my steam friends I was all "AMG I can't do it! I can't be mean!!!" My cursor would hover over the aggressive options..then I'd close my eyes and click it. XD

Really it wasn't too bad, actually I find some of the troll!hawke options more horrible than the aggressive ones when it comes to Anders. I do really enjoy the rival romance, I just do NOT enjoy siding with Meredith.

[Sinaxi]

I just think on a whole no matter who you side with though, that Anders is very broken no matter what on rivalry. And rivalry romance is like...such an unhealthy relationship and Anders already has issues...rofl, so better to go the friendship route. >.>

Haha, sarcastic Hawke says some terrible things. I know so manyyyy people hated Hawke as the protagonist, but meh...starting DA3 with a whole new character is going to be ehhh especially if the plot has to do with the Mage/Templar war (which I'm not sure how it wouldn't...since that's what's going on at the end of DA2) Like, how would they "resolve" Hawke's story in a couple of DLC's? I would think an expansion would be needed to really do that, and I don't even see them doing an expansion with how many people were unhappy with Hawke/DA2. Oh well. =/

[Sinaxi]

rofl, Grace hates you either way. If you free her and click on her in the Gallows when she gets recaptured it's like SOMEHOW apparently your fault that she did. I'm pretty sure blood magic had nothing to do with the reason why she wanted to kill Hawke. I think she was planning on exacting revenge all along...she's just a whiny brat hahaha. Been in the Circle too long and it's driven her nutty.

[cmessaz]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

cmessaz wrote...


To be clear, this is not how *I* feel. It's how I rped her. I personally am all about running off to start a revolution I just like to see the other side. And I was told "hey once you side with Templars you might just change your mind about the whole thing" and actually...it just made me even more inclined to agree with Anders.

I've been told the same! So I tried firing up a templar-siding Hawke, but I don't think I'm doing it right. She has basically no personality to speak of other than "sides with the templars", so she's very empty and dull to play. I may have to start over. But man, do I ever feel bad when I send Feynriel to the Circle and Grace off with Ser Karras

Oh those things are hard. I won't make Feynriel tranquil though..ever. Thats just horrible. How I rped it...was interesting but it worked. She didn't go against templars in Act 1 for the sake of Bethany, she didn't want to make them angry. Then I killed off Bethany in the deep roads. If you do it right actually you can max Anders rivalry by the beginning of Act 2 so what you do after doesn't matter, including accept Dissent which gets you friendship. She was aggressive and it just fit from there on out. I DID have alot of trouble in Act 3. I just can't see how after being with him for 3 years wouldn't at least sort of change her mind. So yeah Act 3 was kind of just a forced feeling. And then The Last Straw...-.- heartbreaking. And it just felt wrong. Which is why I probably won't repeat it.

Tidra wrote...

rofl, Grace hates you either way. If you
free her and click on her in the Gallows when she gets recaptured it's
like SOMEHOW apparently your fault that she did. I'm pretty sure blood
magic had nothing to do with the reason why she wanted to kill Hawke. I
think she was planning on exacting revenge all along...she's just a
whiny brat hahaha. Been in the Circle too long and it's driven her
nutty.

It's too bad I can't let the others go and give Grace to him. I'd do that..

Modifié par cmessaz, 10 août 2011 - 04:02 .