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[Addai]

Arquen wrote...
That is the only time I feel his murder knife is more a mercy than anything. I mean how messed up is it to murder knife him and then side with the mages? Basically saying "yeah you need to die for your crimes, but don't worry I'll support your dream and carry on the plan without you!"

You can want to protect the Kirkwall Circle from Meredith, who is clearly crackerjacks, without signing up for la revolucion.  It's one of my frustrations with the end game that it doesn't allow you to make this distinction, particularly when talking with Anders in the Gallows.  I wanted a dialogue that ran something like "you did a **** thing and this changes nothing and after fighting Meredith I'd still kill you if I could."

[esper]

cmessaz wrote...

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

cmessaz wrote...


To be clear, this is not how *I* feel. It's how I rped her. I personally am all about running off to start a revolution I just like to see the other side. And I was told "hey once you side with Templars you might just change your mind about the whole thing" and actually...it just made me even more inclined to agree with Anders.

I've been told the same! So I tried firing up a templar-siding Hawke, but I don't think I'm doing it right. She has basically no personality to speak of other than "sides with the templars", so she's very empty and dull to play. I may have to start over. But man, do I ever feel bad when I send Feynriel to the Circle and Grace off with Ser Karras

Oh those things are hard. I won't make Feynriel tranquil though..ever. Thats just horrible. How I rped it...was interesting but it worked. She didn't go against templars in Act 1 for the sake of Bethany, she didn't want to make them angry. Then I killed off Bethany in the deep roads. If you do it right actually you can max Anders rivalry by the beginning of Act 2 so what you do after doesn't matter, including accept Dissent which gets you friendship. She was aggressive and it just fit from there on out. I DID have alot of trouble in Act 3. I just can't see how after being with him for 3 years wouldn't at least sort of change her mind. So yeah Act 3 was kind of just a forced feeling. And then The Last Straw...-.- heartbreaking. And it just felt wrong. Which is why I probably won't repeat it.

I rpg'd a mage who just wanted to be safe. That meant sending Grace to the circle, because there was templars standing right outside and my mage didn't want to draw attentention. I didn't send Fenryel to the circle I took the friendship hit which was mostly neutralized by blackmailing trask. Do everything for money also earned me some rivalry somewhere, and of course constantly telling Anders that mergin with Justice was a bad idea. Not being a dick to Merrill. (My Hawke was like, blood magic - bad idea, but here is your rod. Merrill was so confused.)

In act two there is a neutral option when accepting dissent - I think something like isn't it dangerous  so you can accept dissent without gaining friendship. I didn't get up to full rivaly as quickly as I get up to full friendship, but I did managed to complete it so it is possible.

(In the end my Hawke still sided with the mages. I couldn't do templars more than a quick look to see how that ending was - and I still couldn't force Anders to join the templars side. I just couldn't.)

(Oh and

[cmessaz]

That is what I prefer when rivaling him, siding with mages.

I played a self-loathing blood mage once who sided with templars out of fear. It was very interesting and I loved Anders with his "your a mage who turns on your own!" comments. But overall I still felt like sort of a hypocrite XD But she did side with mages at the end.

Modifié par cmessaz, 10 août 2011 - 04:14 .

[esper]

Yeah, my rival mage was really a hypocrite or perhaps more precisly a coward. I remember Anders being extremely spot on in his act 2 question belief when calling her all sort of things. In the end though I prefer friendship because: Anders is not as broken and I personally in real life happens to agree with his view. (I am never handing Grace over again. She is a ****, but the thing Kerras threathen to do just made me feel like the biggest jerk ever for handing them over.)

[cmessaz]

esper wrote...

Yeah, my rival mage was really a hypocrite or perhaps more precisly a coward. I remember Anders being extremely spot on in his act 2 question belief when calling her all sort of things. In the end though I prefer friendship because: Anders is not as broken and I personally in real life happens to agree with his view. (I am never handing Grace over again. She is a ****, but the thing Kerras threathen to do just made me feel like the biggest jerk ever for handing them over.)

Yes and I was quite surprised by him when I finally handed Grace and co. over. I was just expecting a "hey here are your mages kthxbye!" But he started in and it was soooo hard for me to let him have the mages.

Getting Keran removed from the order hurt my soul too..but at least you get to help him later.

I actually like sending Feynriel to the circle, because to me, the events in act 2 prove the circle isn't effective anyway.

Modifié par cmessaz, 10 août 2011 - 04:21 .

[esper]

I dare not send Fenryel because of the nightmare thing - I am afraid they would tranquil him on the spot. I know they properly don't, but I just can't...
Besides my rival Hawke was blackmailing Thrask so she had not reason to be afraid of that specific templar. If he tried anything the details of his daughter would be all over Kirkwall.

[cmessaz]

esper wrote...

I dare not send Fenryel because of the nightmare thing - I am afraid they would tranquil him on the spot. I know they properly don't, but I just can't...
Besides my rival Hawke was blackmailing Thrask so she had not reason to be afraid of that specific templar. If he tried anything the details of his daughter would be all over Kirkwall.

They don't know apparently. It plays out the same and Anders has this "I was right" line that cracks me up (not exact words). But I won't tranquil him in the fade, I just can't do that, she let him go to Tevinter. I guess an all templar girl would have tranquiled him but I just can't.

[esper]

Well if Anders has an extra line it is almost worth it.... Na don't feel like playing rivalry again. It seems so cruel to tranquil Fenryiel - I know I couldn't do it. I would let torpor have him before I did that. (And I would NEVER let Torpor have him.). To be fair I haven't even considered tranquilizing him.

[cmessaz]

esper wrote...

Well if Anders has an extra line it is almost worth it.... Na don't feel like playing rivalry again. It seems so cruel to tranquil Fenryiel - I know I couldn't do it. I would let torpor have him before I did that. (And I would NEVER let Torpor have him.). To be fair I haven't even considered tranquilizing him.

I've tricked Topor and had Anders turn..which hurts. D:

But I know the feeling actually. I friended him my last playthrough and got the double apostate running off together ending that I love so much. I told myself that I was going to rival him again but...I changed my mind. I just love friending him too much as heartbreaking as it is in Act 3.

[esper]

I like to trick Torpor as well. As much as it hurts to fight Anders the 'prig'-line is just too funny.

[cmessaz]

Yeah and an extra convo with Anders is always good. :3

[berelinde]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

cmessaz wrote...


To be clear, this is not how *I* feel. It's how I rped her. I personally am all about running off to start a revolution I just like to see the other side. And I was told "hey once you side with Templars you might just change your mind about the whole thing" and actually...it just made me even more inclined to agree with Anders.

I've been told the same! So I tried firing up a templar-siding Hawke, but I don't think I'm doing it right. She has basically no personality to speak of other than "sides with the templars", so she's very empty and dull to play. I may have to start over. But man, do I ever feel bad when I send Feynriel to the Circle and Grace off with Ser Karras

You know, I heard the same thing. Do you think there's some kind of conspiracy?

I completed that game in the name of science, and because I wanted the achievement, but a computer virus that forced me to reinstall my OS wiped my achievements before it uploaded to the server. Howling ensued. I really don't want to have to replay that game. The thing I remember about it the most was the self-loathing I felt while betraying the mages. Not fun.

[esper]

cmessaz wrote...

Yeah and an extra convo with Anders is always good. :3

So true. The thing we do to get Anders to talk some more.

[cmessaz]

I felt like I saw more bad on the Templar side when I sided with them..so no it didn't change my opinion on the matter. Maybe I'm just a crazed Anders fangirl...

[berelinde]

cmessaz wrote...

I felt like I saw more bad on the Templar side when I sided with them..so no it didn't change my opinion on the matter. Maybe I'm just a crazed Anders fangirl...

You say that like it's a bad thing...

[esper]

yeah. I think that I am too biased to fight with the templars as well. The only thing that kept me through the rival-romance was the knowlegde that in the end my Hawke would listen to Anders long enough to side with the mages. I don't think I can ever think about handing Grace over again. I felt so... unclean.

[cmessaz]

berelinde wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

I felt like I saw more bad on the Templar side when I sided with them..so no it didn't change my opinion on the matter. Maybe I'm just a crazed Anders fangirl...

You say that like it's a bad thing...

Oh I'm proud

[Sinaxi]

As far as more people keeping Anders alive....idk. There seem to be quite a few people on these forums that reaaaally hate him. Even if they side with Mages they are all "Anders is an annoying whiny ****. I kill him every time." I chalk it up to them being lame Chantry Apologists though...

Most super staunch Mage supporters seem to keep him alive though. I mean, I know his character is vastly different from what it was in DA:A, but like...he never seemed that annoying to me. Sure, there are a couple of scenes where he can be overbearing I guess...apparently I am just blind to those moments lol. Or they just don't matter to me since in the long run I agree with most of his points about Mages. Oh well, to each their own.

Edit - Or I'm just a fangirl....haha. But, in my first playthrough I wasn't like an Anders fangirl I really didn't become a supar srs one until I joined these forums. He still never bothered me in that playthrough though, like not at all. Again, probably because I'm like "PRO MAGE RALLY! YEAH!"

Modifié par Tidra, 10 août 2011 - 05:42 .

[Sialater]

I can't shake the idea that not even Justice can entirely explain his actions. Just found a new "magical excuse" in Legacy last night. There's a part of a Grey Warden Journal that blames Corypheus as the ultimate cause for the Veil's thinness.

[cmessaz]

Sialater wrote...

I can't shake the idea that not even Justice can entirely explain his actions. Just found a new "magical excuse" in Legacy last night. There's a part of a Grey Warden Journal that blames Corypheus as the ultimate cause for the Veil's thinness.

I noticed that. I was told I was nuts for thinking it might be connected.

[esper]

Tidra wrote...

As far as more people keeping Anders alive....idk. There seem to be quite a few people on these forums that reaaaally hate him. Even if they side with Mages they are all "Anders is an annoying whiny ****. I kill him every time." I chalk it up to them being lame Chantry Apologists though...

Most super staunch Mage supporters seem to keep him alive though. I mean, I know his character is vastly different from what it was in DA:A, but like...he never seemed that annoying to me. Sure, there are a couple of scenes where he can be overbearing I guess...apparently I am just blind to those moments lol. Or they just don't matter to me since in the long run I agree with most of his points about Mages. Oh well, to each their own.

To be honest I can't look at DA:A without wantig to grab Anders by the collor and shake and say grow up you could be so much more. People today have a generel tendency to say that any charactar that complains about anything is a whiner.
Yes, Anders complains, but he has been through hell. Fenris complains, but the same can be said for him. They are ALLOWED to complain with what they have been through. Characters like Isabella rubs me the wrong way so much more because I feel that Isabella really is just a backstabbing thief. 
What I find really disturbing is that I think that more people would spare Anders if he had DA:A personality.  

[cmessaz]

Tidra wrote...

As far as more people keeping Anders alive....idk. There seem to be quite a few people on these forums that reaaaally hate him. Even if they side with Mages they are all "Anders is an annoying whiny ****. I kill him every time." I chalk it up to them being lame Chantry Apologists though...

Most super staunch Mage supporters seem to keep him alive though. I mean, I know his character is vastly different from what it was in DA:A, but like...he never seemed that annoying to me. Sure, there are a couple of scenes where he can be overbearing I guess...apparently I am just blind to those moments lol. Or they just don't matter to me since in the long run I agree with most of his points about Mages. Oh well, to each their own.

Edit - Or I'm just a fangirl....haha. But, in my first playthrough I wasn't like an Anders fangirl I really didn't become a supar srs one until I joined these forums. He still never bothered me in that playthrough though, like not at all. Again, probably because I'm like "PRO MAGE RALLY! YEAH!"

Well...it used to really upset me when I'd come on BSN and see all the "I hate Anders" and "He always dies" posts, I thought I was mostly alone in my Anders obsession..but it's just because people who do it are louder about it. Many keep him alive and many agree with him, we just don't broadcast it as much. Not that I have a problem with people who view it the other way of course. It's kind of the same as going in the other threads you would think that EVERYBODY hates DA2...but that is simply not the case.

[Sialater]

cmessaz wrote...

Sialater wrote...

I can't shake the idea that not even Justice can entirely explain his actions. Just found a new "magical excuse" in Legacy last night. There's a part of a Grey Warden Journal that blames Corypheus as the ultimate cause for the Veil's thinness.

I noticed that. I was told I was nuts for thinking it might be connected.

Why on EARTH would someone tell you THAT?  BW set up magical maguffins to take the blame for both sides.  Or be the catalysts, depending on your point of view. 

[cmessaz]

Sialater wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Sialater wrote...

I can't shake the idea that not even Justice can entirely explain his actions. Just found a new "magical excuse" in Legacy last night. There's a part of a Grey Warden Journal that blames Corypheus as the ultimate cause for the Veil's thinness.

I noticed that. I was told I was nuts for thinking it might be connected.

Why on EARTH would someone tell you THAT?  BW set up magical maguffins to take the blame for both sides.  Or be the catalysts, depending on your point of view. 

Because this person thinks I'm a mindless Anders fangirl. XD

Which may be true..but they saw it as me looking for a reason to justify Anders actions.