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[cmessaz]

LOL, KoP you think everyone is dumb in DA2 so...

Ugh top again.

Modifié par cmessaz, 10 août 2011 - 10:03 .

[LT123]

I noticed that the debris is thrown pretty far away from the Chantry in the explosion, and I wonder if that was deliberate (Anders trying to avoid as much damage to the city as possible) or just because it looks cool.

[Sinaxi]

So you mind since you think he is insane and has no idea what he's doing? Er. Okay. I mean, he makes it pretty clear why he is doing it and that he feels all of this has gone on for far too long. I don't get why him being "more sane" would make you not care that he killed people.

[esper]

LT123 wrote...

I noticed that the debris is thrown pretty far away from the Chantry in the explosion, and I wonder if that was deliberate (Anders trying to avoid as much damage to the city as possible) or just because it looks cool.

Sadly I supect bioware for it being just because it looks cool. But there is no one saying we can't say that Anders totally knew how the explosion was going to look and react.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Tidra wrote...

So you mind since you think he is insane and has no idea what he's doing? Er. Okay. I mean, he makes it pretty clear why he is doing it and that he feels all of this has gone on for far too long. I don't get why him being "more sane" would make you not care that he killed people.

Because he would be qualified to make such a choice. And would know what he is really doing, again *for the long term*. And yes, I don't think he really knows what he is doing for the long run. He knows exactly what he's doing in the immediate run and to his credit, unlike everyone else, he is actually competent in it. But for the long run? I doubt he really understood. At least understood on a level more sophisticated than something any lunatic could reproduce (and we have an example). 

That's one of criteria amongst others that is required for me to think he is qualified or not.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 10 août 2011 - 10:12 .

[CulturalGeekGirl]

KoP just thinks that a lone wolf without a long-term game plan should never act, whereas I think that it's ok to roll the dice and hope someone else will make the next move.

Anders needs a good publicist. Varric would have been perfect, but unfortunately having him explicitly endorse a side of the conflict would have given Bioware's explicit endorsement to that faction as well, seeing as he was the narrator. Still, a few bards to spread his story, a well written pamphlet or too on the Chantry's abuses, a rallying cry, a dramatic and photogenic leadership figure... we'd be cooking with gas.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 10 août 2011 - 10:14 .

[Sepewrath]

Well if you cause more harm than good, it couldn't hurt to think things out a bit lol. KoP is right in thinking that reckless, impulsive behavior, just for the sake of making something, anything happen is not the best course of action. Also how can I not agree with David motherf'n Xanatos

[Melca36]

LT123 wrote...

I noticed that the debris is thrown pretty far away from the Chantry in the explosion, and I wonder if that was deliberate (Anders trying to avoid as much damage to the city as possible) or just because it looks cool.

Cassandra is actually questioning Varric at the Hawke estate so there was very little damage.

[Sinaxi]

Melca36 wrote...

LT123 wrote...

I noticed that the debris is thrown pretty far away from the Chantry in the explosion, and I wonder if that was deliberate (Anders trying to avoid as much damage to the city as possible) or just because it looks cool.

Cassandra is actually questioning Varric at the Hawke estate so there was very little damage.

rofl good point actually. Well, it is 3 years afterwards but that does make sense because no one would be around to like, rebuild the Hawke estate so if it was damaged it would have still looked that way afterwards.

[Melca36]

For my Mage characters....I've played both male and female.... and they reached a point where they are just done.

They have spent all their lives on the run or hiding who they are when they are living at Lothering. Their sister is dead, the brother a Grey Warden, and their mother was murdered....they just don't care about the Chantry...........

They don't want other families to endure the life they had.

They also remember what Flemeth said about the world changing.........

[Melca36]

Tidra wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

LT123 wrote...

I noticed that the debris is thrown pretty far away from the Chantry in the explosion, and I wonder if that was deliberate (Anders trying to avoid as much damage to the city as possible) or just because it looks cool.

Cassandra is actually questioning Varric at the Hawke estate so there was very little damage.

rofl good point actually. Well, it is 3 years afterwards but that does make sense because no one would be around to like, rebuild the Hawke estate so if it was damaged it would have still looked that way afterwards.

From what we saw...there looked to be minimal damage aside from some broken windows and one or two roofs burning.

I count only 6 people at the Chantry.

I don't get where people say there were hundreds of dead and total devastation.

[Teddie Sage]

Even thousands... ROFL

[Sinaxi]

Melca36 wrote...
They also remember what Flemeth said about the world changing.........

Still one of my favorite parts in the game, because Flemeth is so badass. Her remodel was perrrfect. The line is so telling, it makes my Hawke's feel like the correct choice is to just stop trying to control everything or bring order/stability and just take a leap of insane faith and let the pieces fall where they may.

• Hurtled into the chaos, you fight... and the world will shake before you. Is it fate or chance? I can never decide.
• We stand upon the precipice of change. The world fears the inevitable
  plummet into the abyss. Watch for that moment... and when it comes, do
  not hesitate to leap. It is only when you fall that you learn whether
  you can fly.

[Sinaxi]

Teddie Sage wrote...

Even thousands... ROFL

Dude I don't even think there's a thousand people IN Kirkwall...damn that bomb must have gone A LONG way....hahaha.

[Sepewrath]

Melca36 wrote...
From what we saw...there looked to be minimal damage aside from some broken windows and one or two roofs burning.

I count only 6 people at the Chantry.

I don't get where people say there were hundreds of dead and total devastation.

I think people just assume there were more than 6 people in that place and BW just didn't want to animate 50 people for a scene that last 2 seconds.

[Teddie Sage]

Kirkwall is big enough to have more than a thousand of citizens at least. But yeah, the chuch only had a bunch of people. The rest probably take refuge in the Viscount's manor which is a lot bigger.

[cmessaz]

I think people probably see what they wanna see. Yeah that probably applies to both sides I admit

Edited for grammer failure. <_<

Modifié par cmessaz, 10 août 2011 - 10:59 .

[Sinaxi]

Honestly I don't think many people were in the Chantry itself. It was nighttime when the bomb went off, and it mostly showed Templar guards, priests, and Elthina in the Chantry. If there were actual "civilians" in there I doubt there were very many most of them were probably at home or getting it on at the Blooming Rose or getting drunk in the Hanged Man.

[berelinde]

Melca36 wrote...

Tidra wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

LT123 wrote...

I noticed that the debris is thrown pretty far away from the Chantry in the explosion, and I wonder if that was deliberate (Anders trying to avoid as much damage to the city as possible) or just because it looks cool.

Cassandra is actually questioning Varric at the Hawke estate so there was very little damage.

rofl good point actually. Well, it is 3 years afterwards but that does make sense because no one would be around to like, rebuild the Hawke estate so if it was damaged it would have still looked that way afterwards.

From what we saw...there looked to be minimal damage aside from some broken windows and one or two roofs burning.

I count only 6 people at the Chantry.

I don't get where people say there were hundreds of dead and total devastation.

I've made this point over and over again, and it has influenced no one's perception to date. I hope you're more successful than I was.

Chantry enthusiasts are quick to throw around the "city-wide catastrophe" when they talk about the Chantry explosion. Many are remembering the aftermath of the Twin Towers bombings. I was working within sight of the blast. The thing to keep in mind is that both explosions were strategically timed. The attack of 9/11 was timed so that it would occur when most people would already be at their desks. The buildings were at maximum occupancy. The Chantry explosion occurred in late afternoon, a time when the only people who would be present were those that actually lived there. So no, you aren't seeing worshipers flocking to listen to Elthina's sermon. You're seeing a few templars and Chantry sisters going around blowing out candles and checking the locks on the doors. You know this because the sun is setting during the Last Straw conversation and they're simultaneous.

So yeah, massive exaggeration.

[Sinaxi]

Sepewrath wrote...

Melca36 wrote...
From what we saw...there looked to be minimal damage aside from some broken windows and one or two roofs burning.

I count only 6 people at the Chantry.

I don't get where people say there were hundreds of dead and total devastation.

I think people just assume there were more than 6 people in that place and BW just didn't want to animate 50 people for a scene that last 2 seconds.

Why would 50 people be in a church unless there was like a mass or something? It was nighttime, the likelihood of 50 or so people in there is VERY low imo. Every time we went into the Chantry in game there were hardly any people in there as well.

Edit - Ninjaed by Berelinde...but it was a good ninja Your descrip was better.

Modifié par Tidra, 10 août 2011 - 11:03 .

[Sepewrath]

Tidra wrote...

Honestly I don't think many people were in the Chantry itself. It was nighttime when the bomb went off, and it mostly showed Templar guards, priests, and Elthina in the Chantry. If there were actual "civilians" in there I doubt there were very many most of them were probably at home or getting it on at the Blooming Rose or getting drunk in the Hanged Man.

Well I would believe with all the refugees in the city, that they place was packed with people, particularly at night. You wouldn't see a lot of people in that main area, but I would guess they had some kind of shelter and living quarters and all those people died.

[cmessaz]

Anders says something about midnight rivaled..so I seriously doubt any civilians were in there. Regardless even if there was, still not gonna be the epic death toll that some people claim. Perhaps the war that follows, but some people might believe that it is needed. It's where personal views come in.

Modifié par cmessaz, 10 août 2011 - 11:05 .

[Ryzaki]

Ah not getting into it. 

Anyways Anders has brown eyes right? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 août 2011 - 11:07 .

[Sinaxi]

Sepewrath wrote...

Tidra wrote...

Honestly I don't think many people were in the Chantry itself. It was nighttime when the bomb went off, and it mostly showed Templar guards, priests, and Elthina in the Chantry. If there were actual "civilians" in there I doubt there were very many most of them were probably at home or getting it on at the Blooming Rose or getting drunk in the Hanged Man.

Well I would believe with all the refugees in the city, that they place was packed with people, particularly at night. You wouldn't see a lot of people in that main area, but I would guess they had some kind of shelter and living quarters and all those people died.

What? Like, yes there are still refugees in Kirkwall (mostly only seen in Darktown where the poor go) but it has been like...6 years since the Blight. They do not still have people sitting around in need of shelter from the Blight. I have no idea where you are pulling these assumptions from.

[berelinde]

Sepewrath wrote...

Tidra wrote...

Honestly I don't think many people were in the Chantry itself. It was nighttime when the bomb went off, and it mostly showed Templar guards, priests, and Elthina in the Chantry. If there were actual "civilians" in there I doubt there were very many most of them were probably at home or getting it on at the Blooming Rose or getting drunk in the Hanged Man.

Well I would believe with all the refugees in the city, that they place was packed with people, particularly at night. You wouldn't see a lot of people in that main area, but I would guess they had some kind of shelter and living quarters and all those people died.

Seven years after the end of the Blight, Kirkwall is no longer flooded with refugees. If the Chantry ever did shelter refugees on the premises, you would have seen them in Act 1, not Act 3. Also, the refugees mostly wind up in Darktown. There's nowhere else for them to go.

Maybe in your headcanon, the benevolent Chantry is taking in refugees, but canon Kirkwall is a very different place.