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[Sinaxi]

berelinde wrote...

Sepewrath wrote...

Tidra wrote...

Honestly I don't think many people were in the Chantry itself. It was nighttime when the bomb went off, and it mostly showed Templar guards, priests, and Elthina in the Chantry. If there were actual "civilians" in there I doubt there were very many most of them were probably at home or getting it on at the Blooming Rose or getting drunk in the Hanged Man.

Well I would believe with all the refugees in the city, that they place was packed with people, particularly at night. You wouldn't see a lot of people in that main area, but I would guess they had some kind of shelter and living quarters and all those people died.

Seven years after the end of the Blight, Kirkwall is no longer flooded with refugees. If the Chantry ever did shelter refugees on the premises, you would have seen them in Act 1, not Act 3. Also, the refugees mostly wind up in Darktown. There's nowhere else for them to go.

Maybe in your headcanon, the benevolent Chantry is taking in refugees, but canon Kirkwall is a very different place.

HAH! Ninjaed you this time

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^ Look it's HAWKE who's being obsessive for a change! yay!

Modifié par Tidra, 10 août 2011 - 11:19 .

[Melca36]

Tidra wrote...

Melca36 wrote...
They also remember what Flemeth said about the world changing.........

Still one of my favorite parts in the game, because Flemeth is so badass. Her remodel was perrrfect. The line is so telling, it makes my Hawke's feel like the correct choice is to just stop trying to control everything or bring order/stability and just take a leap of insane faith and let the pieces fall where they may.

• Hurtled into the chaos, you fight... and the world will shake before you. Is it fate or chance? I can never decide.
• We stand upon the precipice of change. The world fears the inevitable
  plummet into the abyss. Watch for that moment... and when it comes, do
  not hesitate to leap. It is only when you fall that you learn whether
  you can fly.

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[*]     Yes!! Its exactly how I roleplay it in those playthroughs.     Of course she's angry Anders kept things from her but she reaches a point where she would rather be on the run and fight for Mage's rights. She has nothing else to lose because  her family is gone.
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[*]And LEGACY near the end...proves that there are things the  Chantry has hidden.

[Sepewrath]

berelinde wrote...
Seven years after the end of the Blight, Kirkwall is no longer flooded with refugees. If the Chantry ever did shelter refugees on the premises, you would have seen them in Act 1, not Act 3. Also, the refugees mostly wind up in Darktown. There's nowhere else for them to go.

Maybe in your headcanon, the benevolent Chantry is taking in refugees, but canon Kirkwall is a very different place.

Well first off I don't think you would see them as their not going to animate a bunch of people and that part of the church would not be the refugee's are kept. Second, its not my canon, as you saw in Lothering, the Chantry takes in refugee's. Lastly, even after the blight, you clearly saw people from Kirkwall were still there, when your displaced from you home, most people cant just simply go back and were more than likely stuck there.

[nos_astra]

berelinde wrote...
Maybe in your headcanon, the benevolent Chantry is taking in refugees, but canon Kirkwall is a very different place.

I know, Elthina is not very popular here, but didn't she have a very good reputation among the populace?

[Melca36]

Chantry Hypocrisy right here



Seeing that Chantry Sister patrolling the slums of Kirkwall proves they are NOT doing anything

[cmessaz]

She was but I just don't see why that makes her completely innocent of any wrong doing personally.

[Heidenreich]

Sepewrath wrote...

berelinde wrote...
Seven years after the end of the Blight, Kirkwall is no longer flooded with refugees. If the Chantry ever did shelter refugees on the premises, you would have seen them in Act 1, not Act 3. Also, the refugees mostly wind up in Darktown. There's nowhere else for them to go.

Maybe in your headcanon, the benevolent Chantry is taking in refugees, but canon Kirkwall is a very different place.

Well first off I don't think you would see them as their not going to animate a bunch of people and that part of the church would not be the refugee's are kept. Second, its not my canon, as you saw in Lothering, the Chantry takes in refugee's. Lastly, even after the blight, you clearly saw people from Kirkwall were still there, when your displaced from you home, most people cant just simply go back and were more than likely stuck there.

Except that in Kirkwall the chantry is in hightown, and closes after dark. Thus the reason why when you go there for quests after dark, there's no one IN the chantry. That's why you can't quick-map it at night, but can in the day. Because it's closed.

Also, hightown, where the rich folks live and who don't go to church at night. Who wouldn't want refugees hanging around AT ALL, let alone their shiny chantry with the golden statues. Sure its "open to the public", but by publing, it pretty much means "the folks in hightown and the occasional Lowtowner"

[Sinaxi]

Sepewrath wrote...

berelinde wrote...
Seven years after the end of the Blight, Kirkwall is no longer flooded with refugees. If the Chantry ever did shelter refugees on the premises, you would have seen them in Act 1, not Act 3. Also, the refugees mostly wind up in Darktown. There's nowhere else for them to go.

Maybe in your headcanon, the benevolent Chantry is taking in refugees, but canon Kirkwall is a very different place.

Well first off I don't think you would see them as their not going to animate a bunch of people and that part of the church would not be the refugee's are kept. Second, its not my canon, as you saw in Lothering, the Chantry takes in refugee's. Lastly, even after the blight, you clearly saw people from Kirkwall were still there, when your displaced from you home, most people cant just simply go back and were more than likely stuck there.

That is true for many people, but those refugees have pretty much accepted that Kirkwall is their home now because they either can't leave since they don't have enough money or just decided to stay. Most of these poor refugees are all in Darktown, which is where we see them. I am not going to believe that 7 years after the freaking Blight, there are still hundreds of refugees that are apparently being kept secret in the upstairs attic of the Chantry when there is absolutely no logical proof to point towards this, nor anything we actually see IN the game.


Edit - and to quote for good measure "That's why you can't quick-map it at night, but can in the day. Because it's closed."

I just don't understand where you are getting this idea that there are refugees still in Kirkwall, when the Blight has been over for MANY years. The refugees you saw in the Chantry in Lothering in DA:O were there because they were trying to escape the Darkspawn horde that was closing in on them approaching from the Korcari Wilds, or their homes had already been destroyed.

Modifié par Tidra, 10 août 2011 - 11:26 .

[Melca36]

Just an Anders pic for posterity.

[Vlondril]

Sepewrath wrote...


Well first off I don't think you would see them as their not going to animate a bunch of people and that part of the church would not be the refugee's are kept. Second, its not my canon, as you saw in Lothering, the Chantry takes in refugee's. Lastly, even after the blight, you clearly saw people from Kirkwall were still there, when your displaced from you home, most people cant just simply go back and were more than likely stuck there.

Yeah, I'm figuring that there's more people in there than the handful that Bioware animated.  But, if you're going strictly on what's animated, there's probably not even a hundred people in Kirkwall and the surrounding areas.  Honestly though, whether it's six or a thousand, it still sucks for them.

Edited for formatting and a superfluous lol!

Modifié par Vlondril, 10 août 2011 - 11:24 .

[berelinde]

Sepewrath wrote...

berelinde wrote...
Seven years after the end of the Blight, Kirkwall is no longer flooded with refugees. If the Chantry ever did shelter refugees on the premises, you would have seen them in Act 1, not Act 3. Also, the refugees mostly wind up in Darktown. There's nowhere else for them to go.

Maybe in your headcanon, the benevolent Chantry is taking in refugees, but canon Kirkwall is a very different place.

Well first off I don't think you would see them as their not going to animate a bunch of people and that part of the church would not be the refugee's are kept. Second, its not my canon, as you saw in Lothering, the Chantry takes in refugee's. Lastly, even after the blight, you clearly saw people from Kirkwall were still there, when your displaced from you home, most people cant just simply go back and were more than likely stuck there.

That was Lothering. This is Kirkwall. And I don't buy the excuse that nobody wanted to do the animations. Pre-rendered cutscenes do not require the resources that game-play does. If they wanted to to show that the Chantry was housing the homeless, they could have put one single person in the scene who was not wearing a Chantry uniform, whether templar or cleric. They did not. You see fleeing mobs during the Qunari attack. You see them in an area that is much more challenging to render graphically than a silent chantry at night. The reason you don't see them is because they aren't there.

[nos_astra]

Melca36 wrote...
Seeing that Chantry Sister patrolling the slums of Kirkwall proves they are NOT doing anything

No, it only proves that they can't reach everyone, naturally.

Modifié par klarabella, 10 août 2011 - 11:25 .

[Melca36]

Sepewrath wrote...

berelinde wrote...
Seven years after the end of the Blight, Kirkwall is no longer flooded with refugees. If the Chantry ever did shelter refugees on the premises, you would have seen them in Act 1, not Act 3. Also, the refugees mostly wind up in Darktown. There's nowhere else for them to go.

Maybe in your headcanon, the benevolent Chantry is taking in refugees, but canon Kirkwall is a very different place.

Well first off I don't think you would see them as their not going to animate a bunch of people and that part of the church would not be the refugee's are kept. Second, its not my canon, as you saw in Lothering, the Chantry takes in refugee's. Lastly, even after the blight, you clearly saw people from Kirkwall were still there, when your displaced from you home, most people cant just simply go back and were more than likely stuck there.

Darktown has most of  the refugees.

One time if you see the patrolling sister..she offers a poor person coin at the Chantry but they have to listen to a sermon.

Most people would rather take their chances at Darktown

[cmessaz]

I guess everyone just has a different opinion on the matter, and will see what they wanna see. *shrug*

[berelinde]

klarabella wrote...

Melca36 wrote...
Seeing that Chantry Sister patrolling the slums of Kirkwall proves they are NOT doing anything

No, it only proves that they can't reach everyone, naturally.

It proves that she hits up the poor for money and offers sermons to beggars instead of alms. I suppose that's something.

[Melca36]

klarabella wrote...

Melca36 wrote...
Seeing that Chantry Sister patrolling the slums of Kirkwall proves they are NOT doing anything

No, it only proves that they can't reach everyone, naturally.

Preaching to people is NOT helping.

I can't until DA:3 when it turns out the Chantry are hiding secrets from the people.

[Sinaxi]

Melca36 wrote...

klarabella wrote...

Melca36 wrote...
Seeing that Chantry Sister patrolling the slums of Kirkwall proves they are NOT doing anything

No, it only proves that they can't reach everyone, naturally.

Preaching to people is NOT helping.

I can't until DA:3 when it turns out the Chantry are hiding secrets from the people.

Well, look at the Seekers! They were a secret! Freaking Internal Affairs for the Chantry lmao.

[berelinde]

Hey, why are we talking about the Chantry instead of Anders?

[cmessaz]

berelinde wrote...

Sepewrath wrote...

berelinde wrote...
Seven years after the end of the Blight, Kirkwall is no longer flooded with refugees. If the Chantry ever did shelter refugees on the premises, you would have seen them in Act 1, not Act 3. Also, the refugees mostly wind up in Darktown. There's nowhere else for them to go.

Maybe in your headcanon, the benevolent Chantry is taking in refugees, but canon Kirkwall is a very different place.

Well first off I don't think you would see them as their not going to animate a bunch of people and that part of the church would not be the refugee's are kept. Second, its not my canon, as you saw in Lothering, the Chantry takes in refugee's. Lastly, even after the blight, you clearly saw people from Kirkwall were still there, when your displaced from you home, most people cant just simply go back and were more than likely stuck there.

That was Lothering. This is Kirkwall. And I don't buy the excuse that nobody wanted to do the animations. Pre-rendered cutscenes do not require the resources that game-play does. If they wanted to to show that the Chantry was housing the homeless, they could have put one single person in the scene who was not wearing a Chantry uniform, whether templar or cleric. They did not. You see fleeing mobs during the Qunari attack. You see them in an area that is much more challenging to render graphically than a silent chantry at night. The reason you don't see them is because they aren't there.

As someone who has made cutscenes...the chantry explosion was pre-recorded not.."live" if you will. Big scenes in Origins such as when Loghain addresses the Landsmeet, the army marching on Denerim (where the Warden was not present) those are all pre recorded so they don't take up as much memory. So I agree, if there were a lot of people there we would have seen them fleeing.  If it was live, such as the landsmeet or whatever, each additional npc would cost performance. But this is not.

Modifié par cmessaz, 10 août 2011 - 11:35 .

[Sinaxi]

berelinde wrote...

Hey, why are we talking about the Chantry instead of Anders?

Because Anders would heartily approve of us ****ing about the Chantry.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Also, in origins whenever we had people sheltering at the Chantry, when we went into the Chantry we saw those people. Lothering, Redcliff, those chantries were full of women and children, and there were people you could talk to who were all like "I've run here, to the chantry, to be safe!"

I always thought the reason we didn't see that in Kirkwall was that it wasn't happening... something was very wrong with the functioning of this city, to the point where even the chantry wasn't a place where people felt they could go for refuge.

[berelinde]

Tidra wrote...

berelinde wrote...

Hey, why are we talking about the Chantry instead of Anders?

Because Anders would heartily approve of us ****ing about the Chantry.

OK, I'll buy that. Just want to make sure our favorite apostate gets his face time.

[Sinaxi]

berelinde wrote...

Tidra wrote...

berelinde wrote...

Hey, why are we talking about the Chantry instead of Anders?

Because Anders would heartily approve of us ****ing about the Chantry.

OK, I'll buy that. Just want to make sure our favorite apostate gets his face time.

I think he knows we give him enough face time, being an almost 2050 long thread <3

[SurelyForth]

In Kirkwall, the sisters were asking for donations from prostitutes and panhandlers in Lowtown. There is not Chantry presence that we see in the Undercity.

[nitefyre410]

Tidra wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

klarabella wrote...

Melca36 wrote...
Seeing that Chantry Sister patrolling the slums of Kirkwall proves they are NOT doing anything

No, it only proves that they can't reach everyone, naturally.

Preaching to people is NOT helping.

I can't until DA:3 when it turns out the Chantry are hiding secrets from the people.

Well, look at the Seekers! They were a secret! Freaking Internal Affairs for the Chantry lmao.

 

My gut is telling  me the  Seekers are not on the mages  or  on the  Tempars  sides. From the way Varric was talking  it sounds like the Templars have split as well... but that is just a hunch.