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[Aeowyn]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

As a great man once said:
" And people willingly attack you? Are they just stupid?"

A lot of thugs are stupid.

[cmessaz]

Tidra wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Actually many modern day missionaries put themselves in harms way, so yeah you'd think they would at least try. So what you are saying is if say...a modern missionary was killed by a random thug in a neighborhood, the organization that sent this person would consider everyone else in that neighborhood that might actually *need* help a lost cause? If so...I'm not sure I want part of that religion.

For one...if the Chantry really was hoping to have a presence in Darktown - they would go with Templar guards if they knew it was dangerous down there but still wanted to bring food/water to the needy. If one of their sisters randomly went missing that would have caused quite a stir. It makes me feel like those remains are really old or something, given the fact that the guy you return them to is "Archivist Plinth" you would think he would have buried a relative o.O

Half the reason Anders has no trouble getting spotted by Templars/Chantry priests is because they're never there.

Anyone have the codex? I'll have to see if I can find it because now I'm curious.



Why, hello Aeo!  

Modifié par cmessaz, 11 août 2011 - 01:49 .

[YamiSnuffles]

Wait... were the remains supposed to be recent? Considering someone lost them, I figured they were relics. You know, dead body bits that churches keep? The Kirkwall Chantry is mentioned as having human relics, so I figured the remains of Sister Plinth were either being stored in Kirkwall or moved to another Chantry.

But maybe, being Catholic, I'm just used to seeing gobs of remains sitting about in large churches so I didn't think twice about the remains.

[Ryzaki]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Wait... were the remains supposed to be recent? Considering someone lost them, I figured they were relics. You know, dead body bits that churches keep? The Kirkwall Chantry is mentioned as having human relics, so I figured the remains of Sister Plinth were either being stored in Kirkwall or moved to another Chantry.

But maybe, being Catholic, I'm just used to seeing gobs of remains sitting about in large churches so I didn't think twice about the remains.

...wait...they keep remains sitting about in large churches? 

...Why exactly? 

No offense but...that just seems...odd. 

[berelinde]

^ Dunno. The remains are there before Danzig is, so it's probable that slavers did not kill her. IIRC, the guy you turn them in to is "Brother Plinth," so perhaps it's a relative?

Edit: Yeah, some faiths house the remains of saints in churches. They are supposed to bestow miracles. Historically, relic forgery was quite commonplace. There is probably enough wood of the true cross to build a decent-sized cathedral.

Modifié par berelinde, 11 août 2011 - 01:55 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

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[Sinaxi]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Wait... were the remains supposed to be recent? Considering someone lost them, I figured they were relics. You know, dead body bits that churches keep? The Kirkwall Chantry is mentioned as having human relics, so I figured the remains of Sister Plinth were either being stored in Kirkwall or moved to another Chantry.

But maybe, being Catholic, I'm just used to seeing gobs of remains sitting about in large churches so I didn't think twice about the remains.

That's what I said. I always thought they were old remains, especially because the guy you turn them into has a title of "Archivist" lol and he is all "OH? Did I lose those?!" lol wtf...and yeah they share the same last name so I'm assuming a relative of some sort or perhaps an ancestor. Surprising he didn't just bury her o.O

[cmessaz]

HI SKADI!!! XD

[Aeowyn]

And LOL, hello Skadi ^^

[Ryzaki]

berelinde wrote...

^ Dunno. The remains are there before Danzig is, so it's probable that slavers did not kill her. IIRC, the guy you turn them in to is "Brother Plinth," so perhaps it's a relative?

I think his full name is Brother Plinth the Archavist (spelling might be off) according to the wiki. 

@Aeowyn: Thanks for the screenie! 

Ouch. Wonder how many people they lost that way? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 11 août 2011 - 01:57 .

[cmessaz]

Ah thanks Aeo. No way to tell really I suppose.

[Aeowyn]

Ryzaki wrote...

berelinde wrote...

^ Dunno. The remains are there before Danzig is, so it's probable that slavers did not kill her. IIRC, the guy you turn them in to is "Brother Plinth," so perhaps it's a relative?

I think his full name is Brother Plinth the Archavist (spelling might be off) according to the wiki. 

@Aeowyn: Thanks for the screenie! 

Ouch. Wonder how many people they lost that way? 

Well, a lonely sister walks into a rough neighbourhood where all that matters is survival....

[Melca36]

So the Chantry people, fearful of losing more of their beloved basically ignore Darktown.

And the people there go without.

Logic says, they could use some Templars to help  as they adminster to the needy. Or all they too busy beating the mages into submission? <_<

[YamiSnuffles]

Ryzaki wrote...

...wait...they keep remains sitting about in large churches? 

...Why exactly? 

No offense but...that just seems...odd. 

Oh no, I'll admit to it being weird, so no offense taken. Anyway, pieces of clothing or body parts belonging to saints are generally kept as memorials to those saints in churches. Some churches even have reliquaries where these are displayed. I've seen supposed finger bones and all that of dozens of saints out for display with little name tags. Some churches also keep especially notable saints buried under altars or such. For example, the Basilica di San Marco in Venice supposedly has St. Mark's remains contained within the high altar. 

The Kirkwall Chantry notably has the remains of Deverina the martyr, as mentioned in one of Seb's side quests.

[Aeowyn]

Melca36 wrote...

So the Chantry people, fearful of losing more of their beloved basically ignore Darktown.

And the people there go without.

Logic says, they could use some Templars to help  as they adminster to the needy. Or all they too busy beating the mages into submission? <_<

Too busy following Sister Petrice around

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

@Cmesazz and Aeowyn: Hello! Now that I have DA2, I can join in the taint brigade festivities for my favorite nutty kitten lovin, Chantry bomin apostitute.:wub:

[cmessaz]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

@Cmesazz and Aeowyn: Hello! Now that I have DA2, I can join in the taint brigade festivities for my favorite nutty kitten lovin, Chantry bomin apostitute.:wub:

I knew I liked you, Skadi.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Melca36 wrote...

So the Chantry people, fearful of losing more of their beloved basically ignore Darktown.

And the people there go without.

Logic says, they could use some Templars to help  as they adminster to the needy. Or all they too busy beating the mages into submission? <_<

The latter, I think. In the quest where you hunt the apostates for Meredith, and there's that one mage who was from ferelden who was taking care of the orphans. When she turned herself into the Circle, the templars nor Chantry did sh*t for the orphans, even though she asked them to look after them for her,. They blew her off, the orphans remained abandoned and ignored by the Chantry as well.

I mean, I know the templars jobs are mainly rounding up rogue mages, but it really wouldn;t have killed the templars to make a quick stop by the Chantry to let them know the situation, and that there were some kids in need.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

cmessaz wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

@Cmesazz and Aeowyn: Hello! Now that I have DA2, I can join in the taint brigade festivities for my favorite nutty kitten lovin, Chantry bomin apostitute.:wub:

I knew I liked you, Skadi.

Awwwwww, back at ay!

[berelinde]

Melca36 wrote...

So the Chantry people, fearful of losing more of their beloved basically ignore Darktown.

And the people there go without.

Logic says, they could use some Templars to help  as they adminster to the needy. Or all they too busy beating the mages into submission? <_<

That's one of the problems with Kirkwall. The Chantry is not about faith and salvation, it's about politics. Kirkwall has always had a strong templar presence, and Vicount Dumar was chosen largely because he was willing to do whatever Meredith wants. I'm not saying this out of anti-Chantry sentiment. The very first guard you talk to tells you that the Viscount would not dare go against Meredith. So, with most of the available resources committed to secular government, what does the Chantry have left to devote to the care of the people? They give sermons... that further the Chantry's political agenda. They devote their energies to politicaly relevant goals--Qunari, mages. Little things like Darktown refugees get pushed to the sidelines, and Sister Plinth's bones moulder in the Undercity.

[Ryzaki]

YamiSnuffles wrote...
Oh no, I'll admit to it being weird, so no offense taken. Anyway, pieces of clothing or body parts belonging to saints are generally kept as memorials to those saints in churches. Some churches even have reliquaries where these are displayed. I've seen supposed finger bones and all that of dozens of saints out for display with little name tags. Some churches also keep especially notable saints buried under altars or such. For example, the Basilica di San Marco in Venice supposedly has St. Mark's remains contained within the high altar. 

The Kirkwall Chantry notably has the remains of Deverina the martyr, as mentioned in one of Seb's side quests.

Huh. That's...yeah I don't really know what to say. Though the little name tags sound interesting. Are they like dog tags or just stripes of paper? 

Wonder where they put her? 

Aeowyn wrote...
Well, a lonely sister walks into a rough neighbourhood where all that matters is survival.... 

A tale probably told many times. 

Wonder if the Chantry started teaching their people self-defense after some of them ended up being killed. ...Probably not. 

Aeowyn wrote...
Too busy following Sister Petrice around

Modifié par Ryzaki, 11 août 2011 - 02:18 .

[Melca36]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

So the Chantry people, fearful of losing more of their beloved basically ignore Darktown.

And the people there go without.

Logic says, they could use some Templars to help  as they adminster to the needy. Or all they too busy beating the mages into submission? <_<

The latter, I think. In the quest where you hunt the apostates for Meredith, and there's that one mage who was from ferelden who was taking care of the orphans. When she turned herself into the Circle, the templars nor Chantry did sh*t for the orphans, even though she asked them to look after them for her,. They blew her off, the orphans remained abandoned and ignored by the Chantry as well.

I mean, I know the templars jobs are mainly rounding up rogue mages, but it really wouldn;t have killed the templars to make a quick stop by the Chantry to let them know the situation, and that there were some kids in need.

Yeah....

And of course they didn't know when Varnell went rogue with Mother Petrice.

The Chantry is a military body disguises as a holy organization and they are hiding things from the people. I can't wait to see their hypocrisy exposed.

[Melca36]

berelinde wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

So the Chantry people, fearful of losing more of their beloved basically ignore Darktown.

And the people there go without.

Logic says, they could use some Templars to help  as they adminster to the needy. Or all they too busy beating the mages into submission? <_<

That's one of the problems with Kirkwall. The Chantry is not about faith and salvation, it's about politics. Kirkwall has always had a strong templar presence, and Vicount Dumar was chosen largely because he was willing to do whatever Meredith wants. I'm not saying this out of anti-Chantry sentiment. The very first guard you talk to tells you that the Viscount would not dare go against Meredith. So, with most of the available resources committed to secular government, what does the Chantry have left to devote to the care of the people? They give sermons... that further the Chantry's political agenda. They devote their energies to politicaly relevant goals--Qunari, mages. Little things like Darktown refugees get pushed to the sidelines, and Sister Plinth's bones moulder in the Undercity.

Whats amazing is how this is actually socially relevant to whats going in real life in some parts of the world. 

[YamiSnuffles]

Ryzaki wrote...

Huh. That's...yeah I don't really know what to say. Though the little name tags sound interesting. Are they like dog tags or just stripes of paper? 

Wonder where they put her? 

The ones I saw just had white strips of paper, but I suppose fancier churches probably have fancier reliquaries. Anyway, collecting relics was at it's height around medievalish times, so it would fit in the setting of Dragon Age. If the Chantry is anything like Catholic churches, I would suppose any relics they might have are in a seperate section. Probably a side room off the main worship area.

Anyhoo, now I am wondering waaay off topic. How to salvage this.... um... I wonder if anyone scooped up bits of Anders to keep as a relic for if he goes down as a martyr?

[KnightofPhoenix]

Melca36 wrote...
The Chantry is a military body disguises as a holy organization and they are hiding things from the people. I can't wait to see their hypocrisy exposed.

The Chantry is a political institution, with a religious mandate and a military arm. More accurate way to describe it.
One that is remarkably idiotic.