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[Sinaxi]

cmessaz wrote...

Yeah...I had to mod Orana because seriously who does makeup @ Bioware for NPCs? Other than that, I have probably 50ish mods for DA2. But most are cosmetic for Hawke. Anders won't ever get tweaked though I him as is.

I seriously think they just did that clown make up as a joke or something. It's so ridiculous haha. I honestly have like, 3 mods I think for DA2 lol. It's a slight change for Mage armor/rogue armor (coloring & slight apparel changes) & they level up with you because honestly I just wanted the Champion armor right when I get to Kirkwall haha. And uh, the mod that lets you edit the default appearance. Oh, I guess you could count this as a mod..it gives me the Staff of Parthalan but it's also level up with you and its stats I think are a lot better than the normal one.

Pretty much nothing else in the game bothers me. Honestly, those Aveline mods where they turn her into this ridiculous girly girl bug the crap out of me...because like, she's supposed to look like a man. Why else do you think Isabela is always "I mean, LOOK AT HER..she's like a female battering ram!" <3

Ugh...and sometimes I truly do not know why people think some things look good. I've seen several terribbbleee screenshots where they either change Anders face...his hair..something..my god it looks like

Edit for top...and..look at how sad he looks in this screenshot!

Modifié par Tidra, 14 août 2011 - 03:48 .

[cmessaz]

Oh the equipment level up mods are essential..I hate how my favorite crap would be useless as I level up.

[Tyrium]

yeah, I customised my own evolving items - hate the good stuff getting useless!

Anders face mods ... seriously, what is wrong with people? The guy's gorgeous as is! And most of them are so GIRLY - he's a man, dammit. (though, to be fair, I do use one that makes his eyebrows and stubble match his hair, but I count that more as a fix, since they matched in Awakening).

[Verly]

oh,no, the mod i use for avaline is not one of the girly girl mods that make her look like a model. lol. as I said, she still looks like aveline it is only a slight modded version. I just like it a tad better then the original.
but as a zev fangirl that actually modded zev (well, he looks essentially the same, but the hair is different...oh, and a body mod that actually gives the sexy elf tattoos), the fact that I use a slight modification on bioware's ave is trivial. lol

but i'm not touching Anders or Fen and I am not for the life of me going to make Izzy white. lol

[cmessaz]

Tyrium wrote...

yeah, I customised my own evolving items - hate the good stuff getting useless!

Anders face mods ... seriously, what is wrong with people? The guy's gorgeous as is! And most of them are so GIRLY - he's a man, dammit. (though, to be fair, I do use one that makes his eyebrows and stubble match his hair, but I count that more as a fix, since they matched in Awakening).

OMG there is this one...it looks like he's gonna try to sell Hawke a joint or something...lol I need to find that.

[Sinaxi]

Verly wrote...

oh,no, the mod i use for avaline is not one of the girly girl mods that make her look like a model. lol. as I said, she still looks like aveline it is only a slight modded version. I just like it a tad better then the original.
but as a zev fangirl that actually modded zev (well, he looks essentially the same, but the hair is different...oh, and a body mod that actually gives the sexy elf tattoos), the fact that I use a slight modification on bioware's ave is trivial. lol

but i'm not touching Anders or Fen and I am not for the life of me going to make Izzy white. lol

LOL YES. WTF @ the pale izzy mod. It doesn't even make sense in the realm of the story! She's a pirate hahaha. I'm cool with my Hawke being the palest chick in the room...sort of like real life. My skin is like porcelain white it's kind of hilarious...but I would never want to tan it. (And I just burn anyways =/...way too easily)

[Verly]

here is the aveline mod I use. http://www.dragonage...ile.php?id=2923

Yes, I've seen some pretty awful versions of Anders out there....Fenris as well. leave the boys alone!! lol they look fine the way they are.

speaking of...time to go back to the game and get into act 3.

Modifié par Verly, 14 août 2011 - 04:08 .

[Melca36]

berelinde wrote...

cmessaz wrote...
Quite in here today...everyone out defending Anders's honor? XD 

LOLing at people who insist that a benevolent and philanthropic Chantry was populated by thousands of invisible refugees.

I always laugh at that.  


And they say...Hightown was wiped out which of course is not the case because Cassandra is interviewing Varric at the Hawke estate.

And if they filled the chantry with tons of people....it would be these fake 2D people that dont even talk.......

[Arquen]

Oh maker... im lmao.

LI wars.... really!? Who the hell cares if I prefer Fenris over Anders. *facepalm* I don't understand it at all. Why would you try to argue that one is better than the other. Its like my girlfriend/boyfriend is better than yours! Who does that!? My mind... it boggles.

As far as terrorist Anders I really don't see his actions as such. I mean you can argue all day about right and wrong, but in the end it comes down to whether or not you can accept what he did as a necessary evil. Unfortunately it gets blown out of proportion, but that's life. As with Fenris I just do my haters gonna hate dance.

[Sherbet Lemon]

Arquen wrote...

Oh maker... im lmao.

LI wars.... really!?

MAKER NOOOO!  I am suddenly having painful flashback to the Deathmarch Threads on Fictionalley. *shudders* If someone writes a 5000 word essay on how the depiction of griffins alludes to the symbolic nature of "impossible love" and this signifies how canon one romance is over the other, I'm going to spontaneously combust.  Actually, I won't but instead I'll just wimper quietly to myself as I watch on in horror.  The memories...oh...the memories.

By the way thank you Anders thread, I have Death Cab for Cutie stuck in my head now and it won't go away! @_@
*flashes Bangel 4 life gang signs*  No Spuffy allowed up in this joint! :innocent:

[Jean]

Village Idiot wrote...
*flashes Bangel 4 life gang signs*  No Spuffy allowed up in this joint! :innocent:

We shall meet on the battlefield at dawn

Actually I only ever really cared for Spike's part in it rather than both of them together. I loved how especially one-sided the whole thing generally was.

I don't know why but I never really felt much for Buffy herself. I don't dislike her really - every character gave me a moment of spazzing out on my bed because of something they do/say - but I just didn't click with her at any point.

[Arquen]

How did this turn into a spuffy thread? Maker nooooo, lol.

How about that Anders, a lot of people have been commenting on his "whining" about mages/Templars. I actually found him not that irritable until act 3 when it was you are wrong I am right.. no other way about it. I was like... but, but,.... oh forget it he's gone. Still people seem to hate him for this constant in your face stance. I don't agree just wondering thoughts?

[esper]

@Arquen
I still think people that there have been through hell are allowed to complain about it and be marked. That count for both Anders and Fenris. I don't understand that why people call Anders and Fenris for whiners - they have perfectly reasonable explanation why they are that way.
Personally I love Anders passion.

[Nilfalasiel]

esper wrote...

@Arquen
I still think people that there have been through hell are allowed to complain about it and be marked. That count for both Anders and Fenris. I don't understand that why people call Anders and Fenris for whiners - they have perfectly reasonable explanation why they are that way.
Personally I love Anders passion.

The term "whiny" gets thrown around waaaay too much. I've seen it applied to so many characters. Heck, I've even seen *Garrus* described as whiny...

Seriously, people should ask themselves "well, if all that crap had happened to me, how would I be behaving?" a bit more every once in a while.

I'm pretty sure that if you had to share your brain on a daily basis with a single-minded spirit gone bonkers...you wouldn't really be able to think about much else. And I don't think you'd be able to vouch for the safety of your significant other...or anybody else, for that matter.

P.S. Puppy-eyes Anders at the top of the page is adorable.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 14 août 2011 - 10:56 .

[esper]

Whiny and emo, gets thrown around too much. But then again 'emo' wasn't really a term anyone used in my teenage years so I am not even sure how it is suppossed to apply. Today it seems used against anyone another person doesn't like if they show just a little bit of emotion.

And puppy eyed Anders is just impossible to resist.

[Verly]

just thought I'd share a pic or two of my Anders loving Gail Hawke. I *just* finished the game with her. I gotta couple cool chantrygoesboom picks too, but I'll keep those to myself. lol

[nitefyre410]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

esper wrote...

@Arquen
I still think people that there have been through hell are allowed to complain about it and be marked. That count for both Anders and Fenris. I don't understand that why people call Anders and Fenris for whiners - they have perfectly reasonable explanation why they are that way.
Personally I love Anders passion.

The term "whiny" gets thrown around waaaay too much. I've seen it applied to so many characters. Heck, I've even seen *Garrus* described as whiny...

Seriously, people should ask themselves "well, if all that crap had happened to me, how would I be behaving?" a bit more every once in a while.

I'm pretty sure that if you had to share your brain on a daily basis with a single-minded spirit gone bonkers...you wouldn't really be able to think about much else. And I don't think you'd be able to vouch for the safety of your significant other...or anybody else, for that matter.

P.S. Puppy-eyes Anders at the top of the page is adorable.

 


Garrus  "whiny"   Oh lord -  people throwing the term around have no Idea what they are talking about ... Garrus is more  "broody" then whine.   The bold is exactly the problem  most can''t or won't ask that question because I  make a good bet that most would crack after day one(if that) going through what Anders or Fenris or Garrus or Jack , etc etc.   

Through I think Bioware  really skirted some of the isssues and questions that   arise from the Anders/Jusice and Wynne/Faith  Spirit issues.  Mainly dealing the Chantry and its teachings  which in theses to case have to shown to be lacking. We  just don't know enough about Spirits to even understand how they think.   Just because Justice is Justice  does not mean that it views  humans  Justice  as being -  Just.    I still Say that Alot of Anders issues with  Justice come his lack of understand what hell is really going on with the merger -  Hence why it would be good from him and Wynne  or some other older Mage has gone through the same thing to sit down and talk. 

[Heidenreich]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Nilfalasiel wrote...

esper wrote...

@Arquen
I still think people that there have been through hell are allowed to complain about it and be marked. That count for both Anders and Fenris. I don't understand that why people call Anders and Fenris for whiners - they have perfectly reasonable explanation why they are that way.
Personally I love Anders passion.

The term "whiny" gets thrown around waaaay too much. I've seen it applied to so many characters. Heck, I've even seen *Garrus* described as whiny...

Seriously, people should ask themselves "well, if all that crap had happened to me, how would I be behaving?" a bit more every once in a while.

I'm pretty sure that if you had to share your brain on a daily basis with a single-minded spirit gone bonkers...you wouldn't really be able to think about much else. And I don't think you'd be able to vouch for the safety of your significant other...or anybody else, for that matter.

P.S. Puppy-eyes Anders at the top of the page is adorable.

 


Garrus  "whiny"   Oh lord -  people throwing the term around have no Idea what they are talking about ... Garrus is more  "broody" then whine.   The bold is exactly the problem  most can''t or won't ask that question because I  make a good bet that most would crack after day one(if that) going through what Anders or Fenris or Garrus or Jack , etc etc.   

Through I think Bioware  really skirted some of the isssues and questions that   arise from the Anders/Jusice and Wynne/Faith  Spirit issues.  Mainly dealing the Chantry and its teachings  which in theses to case have to shown to be lacking. We  just don't know enough about Spirits to even understand how they think.   Just because Justice is Justice  does not mean that it views  humans  Justice  as being -  Just.    I still Say that Alot of Anders issues with  Justice come his lack of understand what hell is really going on with the merger -  Hence why it would be good from him and Wynne  or some other older Mage has gone through the same thing to sit down and talk. 

If Wynne is still alive at the end of DA2 (post-boom, so 6 years after the blight) I highly doubt she'd want to sit down and talk to Anders ;p She didn't much like him in Awakening, and he agreed with her that the idea of mages splitting from the Chantry was bad. Oh Anders, what a difference a year and a Justice (and influence from my Warden Tabris/Amell.. Cousland was like "Sorry I'm not a mage I have no opinion" *hands in air* ) can make!

Modifié par Heidenreich, 14 août 2011 - 11:38 .

[nitefyre410]

Heidenreich wrote...

*Snip*

If Wynne is still alive at the end of DA2 (post-boom, so 6 years after the blight) I highly doubt she'd want to sit down and talk to Anders ;p She didn't much like him in Awakening, and he agreed with her that the idea of mages splitting from the Chantry was bad. Oh Anders, what a difference a year and a Justice (and influence from my Warden Tabris/Amell.. Cousland was like "Sorry I'm not a mage I have no opinion" *hands in air* ) can make!

 


Well  like has nothing to with - at this point is just a matter of having a  Character  that exist in same or simular state as  does. It does not have to be Wynne but she is the only other  Character in the entire story we know of that has merged with the spirit. In the end she is/was  the only source of information on how the merger affects different  people.    I highly doubt there is any book or  Codex  about in the Circle(either locked away or burned). So alot of his issues come from lack of understanding  what he is dealing with.

Bah there are too many unanswer  questions and not realible sources of information on the subject.  

[Nilfalasiel]

nitefyre410 wrote... 

Through I think Bioware  really skirted some of the isssues and questions that   arise from the Anders/Jusice and Wynne/Faith  Spirit issues.  Mainly dealing the Chantry and its teachings  which in theses to case have to shown to be lacking. We  just don't know enough about Spirits to even understand how they think.   Just because Justice is Justice  does not mean that it views  humans  Justice  as being -  Just.    I still Say that Alot of Anders issues with  Justice come his lack of understand what hell is really going on with the merger -  Hence why it would be good from him and Wynne  or some other older Mage has gone through the same thing to sit down and talk. 

I think the bigger problem with the merger is that Justice doesn't understand enough about humans, but only applies his absolute, eye-for-an-eye vision of Justice (or rather, Vengeance) indiscriminately. No human being would ever be perfect enough to qualify for the kind of righteousness he expects. And Anders isn't strong enough to stop him.  

As for talking to another mage in the same situation, there are some issues with that too. Wynne herself had no idea what was going on with her and the Faith spirit (eg. what she says after acquiring Vessel of the Spirit: she didn't know she had that ability and she didn't know how much it would drain her). She even has a conversation with the Warden about abominations and whether they can be turned back, obviously because she's concerned that she's become an abomination herself. So I'm not sure how much insight she could provide into Anders' problem, especially since her own spirit didn't get corrupted by merging with her: it's two different situations. She doesn't seem to know of any other such cases either. Which makes sense, because knowing how touchy Templars are on the topic of mages, I'm pretty sure that, if any Circle mage merged with a benevolent spirit in the past and made it known, they'd be put down without much of a second thought.

And yes, there's also the fact that, even in DAO, Wynne was going on about how she was living on borrowed time and that her spirit was progressively getting weaker. She says in the epilogue that she doesn't expect to meet the Warden again, and I was a little surprised to see her in Awakening. So I'm not sure she's still alive as of DA2, even less so post-DA2.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

@Verily: I want Chantry boom pics! Share! Pretty please?

And I am shocked anyone would want to mod Anders face. I love him in all his unshaven, scruffy glory! Hell, he's one of the few male NPC faces in DA2 that I even find appealing.

I should go over to the Nexus, though, and pick up some mods for alot of other game aesthetics, especially Hawke's Champion armor, which I think looks tacky.

Does anyone have a list of mods not on the Nexus that they would recommend?

[esper]

Again. Why are we sure that Faith doesn't get corrupted. It has not been in Wynne long, and we don't know how much of Wynne's preachness comes from her. (I do think she is a preacher naturally, but...) And also. She was not very efficient about that dying thing. I still believes that her feeling that spirit weakens is perhaps just her feeling that the difference between her and the spirit fades and thus she no longer feels it as an different being. I guess if we really have to know how possession works we will have to ask some Seers from Rivain. They have a long tradition of it they have to have studied it.... I do hope that it is spirits they get possessed with in Rivain.

[Nilfalasiel]

esper wrote...

Again. Why are we sure that Faith doesn't get corrupted. It has not been in Wynne long, and we don't know how much of Wynne's preachness comes from her. (I do think she is a preacher naturally, but...) And also. She was not very efficient about that dying thing. I still believes that her feeling that spirit weakens is perhaps just her feeling that the difference between her and the spirit fades and thus she no longer feels it as an different being. I guess if we really have to know how possession works we will have to ask some Seers from Rivain. They have a long tradition of it they have to have studied it.... I do hope that it is spirits they get possessed with in Rivain.

Well, if it does get corrupted, it's a LOT less dramatic than in Anders' case: she sounds and behaves exactly the same as when you meet her at Ostagar (that's before her merger). It also never takes over her body (or if it does, again, it doesn't show). And didn't Justice get corrupted almost the instant it merged with Anders (cf. the short story)? That didn't seem to have happened in Wynne's case either. Of course, that doesn't mean it can't happen later, but there doesn't seem to be any reason why it should. Justice got corrupted because of Anders' suppressed anger about mages: strong emotions that he'd tried to ignore. Wynne is so level-headed that she doesn't seem to have that problem. She does regret what happened to Aneirin, but she's come to terms with it, and the situation gets resolved anyway.

[Tyrium]

The lovely adre-es on deviantart did a commission of my Rhiannon Hawke and Anders, just thought I'd share:

[esper]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

esper wrote...

Again. Why are we sure that Faith doesn't get corrupted. It has not been in Wynne long, and we don't know how much of Wynne's preachness comes from her. (I do think she is a preacher naturally, but...) And also. She was not very efficient about that dying thing. I still believes that her feeling that spirit weakens is perhaps just her feeling that the difference between her and the spirit fades and thus she no longer feels it as an different being. I guess if we really have to know how possession works we will have to ask some Seers from Rivain. They have a long tradition of it they have to have studied it.... I do hope that it is spirits they get possessed with in Rivain.

Well, if it does get corrupted, it's a LOT less dramatic than in Anders' case: she sounds and behaves exactly the same as when you meet her at Ostagar (that's before her merger). It also never takes over her body (or if it does, again, it doesn't show). And didn't Justice get corrupted almost the instant it merged with Anders (cf. the short story)? That didn't seem to have happened in Wynne's case either. Of course, that doesn't mean it can't happen later, but there doesn't seem to be any reason why it should. Justice got corrupted because of Anders' suppressed anger about mages: strong emotions that he'd tried to ignore. Wynne is so level-headed that she doesn't seem to have that problem. She does regret what happened to Aneirin, but she's come to terms with it, and the situation gets resolved anyway.

Fair points, but I am not sure level headed Wynne would attack you at the Urn of Ashes for defiling. I think it is because you are going against her fate. Also is it true that she magically knows that you have tainted the ashes even if she isn't in the party? I have heard some rumors, but I have never checked it,
I don't think Faith is as dangerous as Justice generally, unless it gets warped into fanatisme and other fancy english words that I can't spell (I really wish english was my first langue sometimes, so I could argue properly). Also there is all the morally lectures Wynne comes with - that is not exactly the same as discussing the origins of darkspawn with the new grey wardens recruits. The are also the matter of gameplay back then not being the same as gameplay now, but I loathe to use that argument.
I don't know about Wynne. I do think she handle her possession better than Anders, possible because she is older and more mellow, so the spirit properly didn't experienced the same 'emotion shock' that Justice went through, but I also think she hasn't gotten any answers because she don't really know what is going on either.