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[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Batteries wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

Lool! Awwww. Cullanders is so when he's kicking hapless templar recruits in the nuts.

[Verly]

I never played the expansion for DAO so Greg Ellis was always and has always been Cullen for my ears. (and I was *not* into Cullen in DAO. I found him creepy. now DA2 Cullen on the other hand is yummy.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Verly wrote...

I never played the expansion for DAO so Greg Ellis was always and has always been Cullen for my ears. (and I was *not* into Cullen in DAO. I found him creepy. now DA2 Cullen on the other hand is yummy.

Even in DA2 he's still a bit creepy. Cute, definitely, but creepy. It's part of his charm, I think. I'm with Gaider, though, the only romance I can reasonably picture Cullen involved in would be a really creepy, disturbing one with a female Warden mage. And it would have to be really stalkerish creepy, I think.

Now Anders, on the other hand, I've wanted to do since Awakening, and I must say, I do like his romance path. Jennifer Hepler did a good job on making him bipolar, I think, and creating a relationship that reflects his manic moods.

<<<<Prefers to romance mentally unstable people.Especially when they rescue cats and play with explosives.:wub::wub:

Modifié par Skadi_the_Evil_Elf, 14 août 2011 - 09:13 .

[Jean]

Don't really see him as anymore creepy than Anders

Modifié par Batteries, 14 août 2011 - 09:18 .

[esper]

Cullen scared my Surana a lot, but at least he seems to have forgotten her in DA2.

[Verly]

I just meant they made him very very pretty in DA2. lol

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

esper wrote...

Cullen scared my Surana a lot, but at least he seems to have forgotten her in DA2.

He hasn't forgotten my Amell in DA2. He gave her a major case of the willies in origins.

I don't find Anders creepy. Mental? Hell yeah, but crazy doesn't scare me. More like I scare crazy. :wub:

Anders was just the right amount of crazy for my tastes. My only regret is that he was wasted on Hawke. My Amell Warden would have taken much better care of him and loved him better, I think.

[Heidenreich]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

esper wrote...

Cullen scared my Surana a lot, but at least he seems to have forgotten her in DA2.

He hasn't forgotten my Amell in DA2. He gave her a major case of the willies in origins.

I don't find Anders creepy. Mental? Hell yeah, but crazy doesn't scare me. More like I scare crazy. :wub:

Anders was just the right amount of crazy for my tastes. My only regret is that he was wasted on Hawke. My Amell Warden would have taken much better care of him and loved him better, I think.

See, now my Amell Warden was all "Heeeeeeeyy Cullen<3 :devil:" and made him run off studdering! Which just amused her. As for Anders, she was very pro-mage with him, so my Angie Hawke fully blames her cousin for breaking Anders <_<. My head-canon has the WC Amell making the appearence in Kirkwall rather then her King Alistair. It involves nude fistycuffs with a mezmerised Anders, Fenris, Varric, Sebastian, and Isabela as an Audience as the two duke it out for rights to Anders' heart.

And then, when my Rogue Angie wins, my WC Amell says "What ever, he's not crazy enough for me, anyway. Where's mah Cullen at!"




Angel is supremely glad that HER Warden is Asyla Tabris. An Asyla Tabris who has a Zevran. Although in THAT Head-canon there was much "Zevran stop touching my Fenris before I burn your eyebrows off".

[berelinde]

Heidenreich wrote...
My head-canon has the WC Amell making the appearence in Kirkwall rather then her King Alistair. It involves nude fistycuffs with a mezmerised Anders, Fenris, Varric, Sebastian, and Isabela as an Audience as the two duke it out for rights to Anders' heart.

In a vat of strawberry gelatin. These duels must be conducted under the established rituals, you know.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

My Amell saw Templars as predatory animals like lions, and mages like zebras or gazelles. So Cullen's "crush" was like a gazelle discovering a strange lion that is more interested in humping it than eating it. Which would be a pretty unerving thing to discover, I think. She didn't flirt with him in the Origin, quite the opposite, she didn't want to lead him on or give him the wrong idea. Templars in general creeped her out, though. Except Alistair, but he wasn't really quite a templar.

And she was Alistair's 100% even after he died. Though Anders came very close in Awakening. I think she could have dealt with Anders better in DA2, because not only did she know Anders better, she also knew Justice. And knew how to deal with him better.

The only plus side of Hawke and Anders for me is that if nothing else, Hawke can still breed with Anders since she's not a Warden. I definitely want to preswerve Anders awesome crazy for future generations. I hope to populate Thedas with a bunch of mini-Anders for future generations.

[legbamel]

My Amell toyed with Cullen because it was the only power she had over any Templar and it was fun. Then she felt bad when she found him in that cage and realized she'd really messed with him. Then she went got dumped by Al and the idiot killed himself so she really wasn't up for another relationship...until Anders, and he wouldn't play.

[Sinaxi]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

My Amell saw Templars as predatory animals like lions, and mages like zebras or gazelles. So Cullen's "crush" was like a gazelle discovering a strange lion that is more interested in humping it than eating it. Which would be a pretty unerving thing to discover, I think. She didn't flirt with him in the Origin, quite the opposite, she didn't want to lead him on or give him the wrong idea. Templars in general creeped her out, though. Except Alistair, but he wasn't really quite a templar.

And she was Alistair's 100% even after he died. Though Anders came very close in Awakening. I think she could have dealt with Anders better in DA2, because not only did she know Anders better, she also knew Justice. And knew how to deal with him better.

The only plus side of Hawke and Anders for me is that if nothing else, Hawke can still breed with Anders since she's not a Warden. I definitely want to preswerve Anders awesome crazy for future generations. I hope to populate Thedas with a bunch of mini-Anders for future generations.

Isn't it like also nearly impossible to have kids with just 1 person being a grey warden? Like, they always acted like it was super hard...but Anders gave that whole "our children" speech and I was like aw that's so cute...but what if we never have kids?!?! <_<

[SurelyForth]

Apparently a Grey Warden might be able to have children with a non-Warden. Two together is the impossibility.

And that's something Anders might not know about. I imagine it probably only came up for Alistair because of his paternity, and then for him and the Warden because of the heir conundrum.

Although I have a fantastic image of my Mahariel being all "Yeah, Wardens can't really conceive." and Anders makes this face: and nine months later Amaranthine is crawling with amber-eyed babies with sharp jaws and a propensity for shocking whoever is changing their diapers (ie. the real reason Anders ran off to Kirkwall). [/joking]

Modifié par SurelyForth, 15 août 2011 - 03:39 .

[Sepewrath]

If I was Anders, I would have made a run for it in that situation lol.

[leggywillow]

SurelyForth wrote...

Apparently a Grey Warden might be able to have children with a non-Warden. Two together is the impossibility.

But the length of time they've been a Warden is important, too.  That's why Riordan isn't an option for the Dark Ritual in Origins.  By the time Anders and Hawke tried to have kids, Anders will have been a Warden for close to 10 years.  His swimmers are probably pretty blighted by that point.

Still, I guess it's not entirely impossible.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

My Amell sort of liked Cullen, in the vague way she sort of liked a lot of boys. Part of the reason she liked him was that he was so obviously damaged by his training... it was sort of proof to her that templars could be vulnerable, and also that the Chantry wasn't perfect. She would probably have slept with him, if he hadn't been so... Cullen, but in some ways that was his charm. When she came back she felt terrible for him, and wanted to help him... but then when he insisted they had to kill all the mages, she felt almost betrayed. Now, having made Loghain a Warden to take the Archdemon hit, she knows more about reality, and the moral compromises we all make, so she's liable to be forgiving.

If she met him today, she'd probably ask him to join the revolution... likely with a cheesy sentiment, like "Nobody's ever safe, It's time for us both to be free." If he agreed, she'd probably end up with him romantically, if he allowed himself to go there. If not, she'd leave and never look back.

She was my third Warden, though... or maybe fourth? I can't remember. My first was my good ol' Mahariel, so I first met Cullen without the context of the mage origin. He was another tick in the list of "things in the human world that are messed up." At that point her general feeling about the world was "I've heard a lot about humans, but nobody told me their males were this squishy. They're like adorable baby birds, fallen out of their nest. How they managed to conquer most of the known world, I will never know."

A few months later she meets Loghain and thinks "Oooooh. Ok, I get it."

(As for the Warden babies thing, I generally get the idea that it's sort of a "probably not, but we've never had a huge number of female wardens, so we really don't know" kind of situation. I tend not to have my Wardens reproducing, but my Zevran-mancing Brosca is tempting, just because an elf-dwarf? What would that be like? And Zev is completely taint-free.)

[leggywillow]

legbamel wrote...

My Amell toyed with Cullen because it was the only power she had over any Templar and it was fun. Then she felt bad when she found him in that cage and realized she'd really messed with him.

This is how my Amell thought, too.  Wrapping Cullen around her little finger (oh Ser Cullen, I can't reach this high shelf, can you please help?) was the most power she'd ever had prior to becoming a Grey Warden... which is actually very sad in hindsight.  That's probably why she jumped all over the Chancellor position.

[HighMoon]

Sort of off topic, but I was continuing a playthrough of DAO recently, with my female city elf, and I was making my way up the Circle Tower...

The first battle you engage in on the second floor is with a group of three blood mages, and as you can probably recall, you have the choice of sparing or killing the female mage, who begs for her life. One of the things she said piqued my interest, it was something along the lines of "We figured someone always has to take the first step, force a change no matter the consequences". She also mentioned the Uldred had promised a seperation of Circle and Chantry.

The reason I bring this up is because it reminds of a lot of Anders' plight to force a change for the greater good. It is very interesting to see how there are other mage revolutionists (I am not sure if I am using that word right in this context) with similar ideas to his. Maybe he even knew them back in his circle days?

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

I like Cullen as a character well enough, his creepy neurotic tendancies are part of his character "charms".

Still, my Amell mage was far more interested in boinking creepy, crazy mages than creepy, crazy templars. Being more interested in subversion and corruption of the templars and Chantry, she'd be more interested in being Cullen's lyrium/dope dealer than trying to control him through female wiles.

Even as revolting and dorky as he was, I think she'd probably rather hook up with Godwin, the templar's pusher and favoritsit mage in the tower because he was selling the sparkly dust to the temps. Like Carrol. I think bringing the Chantry and templars down through their own addictive poisons would have been a far more amusing way of weakening the templars.

Though even that could back fire....Cullen might trip out one day and think she's made of pure lyrium and try to snort her...

[ImoenBaby]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

Well... with the fact that he is carrying a torch for a lady Amell Warden that doesn't die out even with an incredibly traumatic event using her as a torture device and several years without so much as seeing her, I would peg him as still being somewhat creepy. Just a little bit.

Word.

I don't know how the poor guy dealt with it. Can you really recover from having your mind raped that way?

I also don't know if he carries a torch for her not - he probably admires the strength of the woman who rescued him, mind you, but after what happened to him? Don't think he can think of her romantically ever again.

It might take him awhile to even consider romantic feelings, considering how they were used against him.
 
Ah Cullen  

[leggywillow]

ImoenBaby wrote...
I also don't know if he carries a torch for her not - he probably admires the strength of the woman who rescued him, mind you, but after what happened to him? Don't think he can think of her romantically ever again.

He seems to remember her fondly enough.  If you talk to him in Act 2 with an Amell import, he'll say "I knew an Amell once.  She was a special woman.  Never met her like again" in a rather distant, dreamy tone.

[berelinde]

My Amell warden had only the vaguest clue that Cullen liked her, and she didn't find that out until she heard some apprentices gossiping after her Harrowing. Curious, she poked Cullen, but his stammering confused her. She had never really considered the templars as people, they were kind of like heavily-armored furniture, so his obviously tumultuous emotions were way too human for her to comprehend.

By the time she got to Alistair, she had figured out that non-mages were people too, a lesson she learned from Duncan, who defended her against Greagoire and literally saved her life (in Ferelden, Harrowed mages who rebell are executed, and she didn't understand shades of grey too well). She fell hard for Alistair, and loved him enough to help him become more independent. When the time came, she was disappointed to find that he could not make her his queen, but she settled for becoming his mistress because fidelity and royalty had nothing in common, at least in her mind. If he had to marry for dynastic reasons, so be it, but love was too personal and too human to give up for the throne.

She liked Anders and would probably have banged him, but he held back. She figured that it was probably the threat of Alistair finding out. In any case, she wasn't too fussed when he turned her down. It was no more than a passing fancy anyway, old Circle tower licentiousness returning like an old knee injury. She and Alistair drifted apart, over the years, but she never stopped loving him. Not really.

Edit: Nobody wanted to read that as one paragraph.

Modifié par berelinde, 15 août 2011 - 06:58 .

[ImoenBaby]

leggywillow wrote...

He seems to remember her fondly enough.  If you talk to him in Act 2 with an Amell import, he'll say "I knew an Amell once.  She was a special woman.  Never met her like again" in a rather distant, dreamy tone.

I find this discordant with how he treats Female Mage Wardens during Broken Circle, as well as in his DA 2 codex. I'd understand his being conflicted of course, but in the end I don't know much about him.

Perhaps he holds her apart from other mages - she's the Hero of Ferelden, and his personal saviour, after all.