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[Aeowyn]

MG800 wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...

Heidenreich wrote...

Pretty much this. You have to take everyting in DA2 with a spoon full of vinagar and remember that its someone telling a story.  What really happened is --

Orsino was all "Nooo my mages!" *slits wrist, regular blood magic*

and Hawke was all, "For the love of the maker isn't anyone in this stupid city not a blood mage?" *shoots fire and bends gravity and Orsino falls over dead/ Slices Orsino's head off with big sword/sharp daggers*


But that ****'s boring.

So, Varric had to spice it up a little.

But you can tell that Varric really isn't that into Hawke with the way he skipped over the good parts of the love scenes...

Maybe love scenes isn't his strong suit either hehe. 

Well, it could be his two male friends doing each other  I'm not sure, how you descirbe a scene, you don't want to know and hear about. Now, if it was Isabela talking... 

Varric: Anders entered the room gently put his hand underneath Hawke's chin. And for the following reading we have special guest star and lovable pirate, Isabella. 

Isabella: Thank you, Varric. *opens book of own steamy fanfiction and clears throat*

Cassanra: Stop!

Modifié par Aeowyn, 16 août 2011 - 06:00 .

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Here's my take on Varric's story. After Cassandra leaves, Hawke emerges from the hidden room inside the wall where she's been listening the whole time.

"So... Varric. That story you told makes me sound like kind of an incompetent idiot."

"Look, what am I supposed to tell a Seeker, from the Chantry? That you've been working for the last seven years with some crazy mage girl who has been making trips to the Rivain and Antivan towers in order to talk to Senior Enchanters under the ruse of 'recruiting for the Wardens?'"

"She's my cousin, Varric. We met when I was six. She's not crazy, just very clever, and nearly as angry as Anders." 

"And Anders? Was I supposed to tell her that you had a nice chat with the spirit of Justice living inside him, decided that the Chantry itself is an abominable corruption of Andraste's teachings, and have been working together for years? That the Chantry explosion was a carefully coordinated signal to all the Senior Enchanters your Amell friend had been talking with?"

"Ok, point. But did you have to make me seem like such a complete and total useless git? Also, what was WITH all those bits about Anders and me? 'right here, 'til the day we die?"

"I know girls like Cassandra. They've been living their whole lives reading the kind of stories I write when I really really need money. There are easy tricks that all girls fall for... well, most girls. Doomed, dark figures, dangerous men, a reason you can't be together, an inevitable decline. She would gobble up a 'tragic romance' like the King of Ferelden and a good Antivan Parmesian, and she wouldn't even dream that you could have ever actually talked to the 'demon' inside of him. Know your audience, Hawke. It's the first rule of storytelling." 

"Fine. But when this war is over, you are writing the real story. I will not go down in history as 'that blind Ferelden idiot."

"We all make sacrifices for the war... Maker's breath, Anders isn't even human anymore, and you're worried about a problem with your reputation?"

"I hate you when you're right. Well, let's go. Amell and her Dalish friend have some new plans. Apparently there are a lot more Dalish in Orlais than the Orlesians suspect. They've been infiltratiing the Alienages there for nearly a decade now, and we may have the other half of our army soon enough." 

"And nobody suspects, because as far as they know, you're a blind idiot." 

"I said you were right, Varric. that doesn't mean I can't still make you pay."

"Shutting up, Hawke."

[Sialater]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Here's my take on Varric's story. After Cassandra leaves, Hawke emerges from the hidden room inside the wall where she's been listening the whole time.

"So... Varric. That story you told makes me sound like kind of an incompetent idiot."

"Look, what am I supposed to tell a Seeker, from the Chantry? That you've been working for the last seven years with some crazy mage girl who has been making trips to the Rivain and Antivan towers in order to talk to Senior Enchanters under the ruse of 'recruiting for the Wardens?'"

"She's my cousin, Varric. We met when I was six. She's not crazy, just very clever, and nearly as angry as Anders." 

"And Anders? Was I supposed to tell her that you had a nice chat with the spirit of Justice living inside him, decided that the Chantry itself is an abominable corruption of Andraste's teachings, and have been working together for years? That the Chantry explosion was a carefully coordinated signal to all the Senior Enchanters your Amell friend had been talking with?"

"Ok, point. But did you have to make me seem like such a complete and total useless git? Also, what was WITH all those bits about Anders and me? 'right here, 'til the day we die?"

"I know girls like Cassandra. They've been living their whole lives reading the kind of stories I write when I really really need money. There are easy tricks that all girls fall for... well, most girls. Doomed, dark figures, dangerous men, a reason you can't be together, an inevitable decline. She would gobble up a 'tragic romance' like the King of Ferelden and a good Antivan Parmesian, and she wouldn't even dream that you could have ever actually talked to the 'demon' inside of him. Know your audience, Hawke. It's the first rule of storytelling." 

"Fine. But when this war is over, you are writing the real story. I will not go down in history as 'that blind Ferelden idiot."

"We all make sacrifices for the war... Maker's breath, Anders isn't even human anymore, and you're worried about a problem with your reputation?"

"I hate you when you're right. Well, let's go. Amell and her Dalish friend have some new plans. Apparently there are a lot more Dalish in Orlais than the Orlesians suspect. They've been infiltratiing the Alienages there for nearly a decade now, and we may have the other half of our army soon enough." 

"And nobody suspects, because as far as they know, you're a blind idiot." 

"I said you were right, Varric. that doesn't mean I can't still make you pay."

"Shutting up, Hawke."

LOL, that's pretty much how I see it.  Just, in my case, not an Amell.  A Surana.

Modifié par Sialater, 16 août 2011 - 06:00 .

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Right! I mean it could pretty much be any Warden, really. (My friend's Surana makes more sense even than my Amell, since she was always about working inside the system rather than running around shouting at people.)

I also have/enjoy some of the fanfic universes where multiple Warden PC-types exist simultaneously, just having traveled down different roads. I also have a thing for fics where Surana and Amell are pals, working on different sides of the system. There's a really good manga about two friends who try to change Japan, one through politics and one through the Yakuza, I think it's caled Sanctuary. Anyway, I imagine a similar relationship between Amell and Surana, wiht one as a crazy apostate and the other as a Senior Enchanter somewhere.

Aaaand I just realized that that's basically the plot of Wicked. So no wonder that appeals to me.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 16 août 2011 - 06:41 .

[MG800]

Aeowyn wrote...

MG800 wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...

Heidenreich wrote...

Pretty much this. You have to take everyting in DA2 with a spoon full of vinagar and remember that its someone telling a story.  What really happened is --

Orsino was all "Nooo my mages!" *slits wrist, regular blood magic*

and Hawke was all, "For the love of the maker isn't anyone in this stupid city not a blood mage?" *shoots fire and bends gravity and Orsino falls over dead/ Slices Orsino's head off with big sword/sharp daggers*


But that ****'s boring.

So, Varric had to spice it up a little.

But you can tell that Varric really isn't that into Hawke with the way he skipped over the good parts of the love scenes...

Maybe love scenes isn't his strong suit either hehe. 

Well, it could be his two male friends doing each other  I'm not sure, how you descirbe a scene, you don't want to know and hear about. Now, if it was Isabela talking... 

Varric: Anders entered the room gently put his hand underneath Hawke's chin. And for the following reading we have special guest star and lovable pirate, Isabella. 

Isabella: Thank you, Varric. *opens book of own steamy fanfiction and clears throat*

Cassanra: Stop!
-snip-

Heh, and after the interrogation, she'll secretly bribe Isabela to get her pretty hands on the steamy friendfiction 
It has a pictures. Just ask Sebastian - he probably already read it.

And this is something I need to share:

By Syber****

Modifié par MG800, 16 août 2011 - 06:21 .

[syllogi]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Right! I mean it could pretty much be any Warden, really. (My friend's Surana makes more sense even than my Amell, since she was always about working inside the system rather than running around shouting at people.)

I also have/enjoy some of the fanfic universes where multiple Warden PC-types exist simultaneously, just having traveled down different roads. I also have a thing for fics where Surana and Amell are pals, working on different sides of the system. There's a really good manga about two friends who try to change Japan, one through politics and one through the Yakuza, I think it's caled Sanctuary. Anyway, I imagine a similar relationship between Amell and Surana, wiht one as a crazy apostate and the other as a Senior Enchanter somewhere.

Aaaand I just realized that that's basically the plot of Wicked. So no wonder that appeals to me.

In one of my many stories probably never to be published, Alim Surana (the bitter wannabe revolutionary), Solona Amell (the Circle apologist), and Jowan grew up as friends.  When Jowan introduced them to Lily and told them his plan, Alim was on board, but Solona went straight to Irving to ask him to not make Jowan Tranquil.

Anders was the cool, rebellious older student everyone gossiped about, but they didn't know well.

[Arquen]

There really is no happy ending for Anders when you think about it. Besides his whole merger with Justice, the war he started, the fact that everyone and their dog is hunting him down... he is ALSO a Grey Warden and will have to submit to the call and take the long walk eventually.

After Legacy I'm not even sure how much longer that is going to be. Also not sure if Justice is going to hinder or hurry the process along. No matter how you slice it the Anders romance ends in some kind of tragedy. I want to believe he can be saved, and that there is some hope that he won't become completely consumed by his cause and by Justice, but that seems a slim hope at best. Then even after all that effort you still have the taint to deal with.

The comfort I see is that if you run away with him at least you can be happy being rebel runaways together for a while.

[Xilizhra]

Actually, the Calling can be stalled indefinitely... if one has access to Avernus' work. There could be a chance to get one's hands on that, depending on later relations with the Wardens.

[Toastyblue2]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...


Anyone play NWN2: Storm of Zehir and get the reference to Casavir's fate?  I didn't even love the guy, and I was appalled.

Alot of people were appalled at NWN2 OC endings. Rocks fall, everyone dies, including your LI, either Casavir or Elanne. When storm of Zehir came out and this little tidbit about casavir being left for dead and taken by the Luskans set off the Casavir fangirl base in new directions, including some of the mod goddesses getting together to create a "rescue Cas" mod. As well as many fan fics detailing various rescue escapades.

Yeah, I was pretty appalled, but pleasantly so, because it at least defied the stupid "rocks fall, everyone dies" ending that Obsidian used to hamfisted kill off the OC companions. But I definitely would want to rescue him, given the type of people the Luskans are, and the various torments they would use on a Tyrran paladin, especially a neverwinter paladin.

Still so very bitter that you couldn't romance Sand. Who's with me?

To bring this back to Anders: I'm doing a playthrough right now where I'm rivalmancing Sebastian and also trying to get the Vicount achievement. I know you guys will sympathise. It's awful having to pretty much ignore Anders and/or be mean to him. Awful.

*overly dramatic sob*

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Arquen wrote...

There really is no happy ending for Anders when you think about it. Besides his whole merger with Justice, the war he started, the fact that everyone and their dog is hunting him down... he is ALSO a Grey Warden and will have to submit to the call and take the long walk eventually.

After Legacy I'm not even sure how much longer that is going to be. Also not sure if Justice is going to hinder or hurry the process along. No matter how you slice it the Anders romance ends in some kind of tragedy. I want to believe he can be saved, and that there is some hope that he won't become completely consumed by his cause and by Justice, but that seems a slim hope at best. Then even after all that effort you still have the taint to deal with.

The comfort I see is that if you run away with him at least you can be happy being rebel runaways together for a while.

Happiness can be found in strange places. For some of our DA:O companions, the Blight was the happiest time in their lives. That's sad, sure, but... no matter how bad everything is, you can find happiness for a while. And for me, happiness is most likely to come from being part of not just a pair (one's impossible, two is dreary, three is company safe and cheery), but a group. Haven't you ever been on that trip, where there are four people and you trace all the connections and realize the group just works. Everyone likes everyone, and there are some rivalries and arguments but it all washes out in the end and everybody is equal.

For me, the happy ending for Anders is getting the band back together.  Having him and Hawke accumulate more traveling companions again: the warden and Zev, maybe even Nathaniel and Velanna (I like to think they developed a little on-again, off-again thing that is hindered only by the fact that he's human.) 

My Mahariel plans on dying long before the calling catches her, and I think Anders might do the same, now that he has his cause. When you can live like you're already dead, a huge weight is lifted from your shoulders: she learned that from Sigrun. And Twenty years is a long time... why we could have a complete change of gods by then. And if the taint is related to the Maker, and the Maker isn't in charge anymore well... all bets are off.

You can write some plausible happy endings for Anders, but they're difficult because Hawke is so horribly unproductive during the scenes we see, as far as learning anything or trying to help goes.

And that's assuming that all of this isn't just a story made up by Varric to throw suspicion off of Hawke (yes I know we're all so very concerned about canon, but  now that I have that idea in my head I adore it.)

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Toastyblue2 wrote...

Still so very bitter that you couldn't romance Sand. Who's with me?

Me. That smart mouthed pointy eared little Luskan reject really needed someone to rock his socks off.:wub:

To bring this back to Anders: I'm doing a playthrough right now where I'm rivalmancing Sebastian and also trying to get the Vicount achievement. I know you guys will sympathise. It's awful having to pretty much ignore Anders and/or be mean to him. Awful.

*overly dramatic sob*

My heart goes out to you. Good luck in this brave endeavor.

[Giggles_Manically]

I have never ever understood how someone can have a hard time not romancing a character in a game.

Never has been an issue for me.
But then again I play the crap out of all my games and have to see all the content in it.

Which is why I beat Dragon Age Origins around 25 times.

[Sinaxi]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I have never ever understood how someone can have a hard time not romancing a character in a game.

Never has been an issue for me.
But then again I play the crap out of all my games and have to see all the content in it.

Which is why I beat Dragon Age Origins around 25 times.

MAAAAKKKEERRRR NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

It's because it's Sebastian.

[cmessaz]

Toastyblue2 wrote...

To bring this back to Anders: I'm doing a playthrough right now where I'm rivalmancing Sebastian and also trying to get the Vicount achievement. I know you guys will sympathise. It's awful having to pretty much ignore Anders and/or be mean to him. Awful.

*overly dramatic sob*

Good luck! 

I loaded up my rival girl last night and executed him for science. (romanced) And omg...it was horrible. The execution is just...so cold. She romanced the guy but was all "lulz you have to pay" like it didn't even bother her...ugh. Fail. I've had my sad Anders fix for like....ever. 

Modifié par cmessaz, 16 août 2011 - 11:35 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Tidra wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I have never ever understood how someone can have a hard time not romancing a character in a game.

Never has been an issue for me.
But then again I play the crap out of all my games and have to see all the content in it.

Which is why I beat Dragon Age Origins around 25 times.

MAAAAKKKEERRRR NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

It's because it's Sebastian.

And?

If I payed for it I damn well am going to play it.
Makes my skin itch knowing there is a scene I did not see or a convo I missed.

[syllogi]

Toastyblue2 wrote...

Still so very bitter that you couldn't romance Sand. Who's with me?

To bring this back to Anders: I'm doing a playthrough right now where I'm rivalmancing Sebastian and also trying to get the Vicount achievement. I know you guys will sympathise. It's awful having to pretty much ignore Anders and/or be mean to him. Awful.

*overly dramatic sob*

I loved Sand.  I could not understand all the Bishop love, when you had the most awesome male elf lawyer ever right there, waiting to be adored.

My "siding w/ Templars plus rivalmancing the Disney Prince" playthrough was traumatic mostly because I knew there was no real "reward" for rivaling Anders with no romance (it feels AWFUL, by the way), and with no Carver and friending Fenris, I felt like most of my favorite people in the game were playing different roles or absent.  

I know you can look at it as doing Anders a favor by rivaling him, but it doesn't feel like it.  Going back to what I was saying earlier about not being able to help him, it just felt like condemning him without offering any guidance.  Not fun.

[cmessaz]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Tidra wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I have never ever understood how someone can have a hard time not romancing a character in a game.

Never has been an issue for me.
But then again I play the crap out of all my games and have to see all the content in it.

Which is why I beat Dragon Age Origins around 25 times.

MAAAAKKKEERRRR NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

It's because it's Sebastian.

And?

If I payed for it I damn well am going to play it.
Makes my skin itch knowing there is a scene I did not see or a convo I missed.

And sometimes there are characters that people don't want to romance, which is fine. 

[Sinaxi]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Tidra wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I have never ever understood how someone can have a hard time not romancing a character in a game.

Never has been an issue for me.
But then again I play the crap out of all my games and have to see all the content in it.

Which is why I beat Dragon Age Origins around 25 times.

MAAAAKKKEERRRR NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

It's because it's Sebastian.

And?

If I payed for it I damn well am going to play it.
Makes my skin itch knowing there is a scene I did not see or a convo I missed.

And. You were wondering why it was hard for someone to resist romancing someone else. I said, it's because she is trying to romance Sebastian who she does not like as much apparently.

So....uhh...? Not everyone is you.

[Toastyblue2]

Tidra wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Tidra wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I have never ever understood how someone can have a hard time not romancing a character in a game.

Never has been an issue for me.
But then again I play the crap out of all my games and have to see all the content in it.

Which is why I beat Dragon Age Origins around 25 times.

MAAAAKKKEERRRR NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

It's because it's Sebastian.

And?

If I payed for it I damn well am going to play it.
Makes my skin itch knowing there is a scene I did not see or a convo I missed.

And. You were wondering why it was hard for someone to resist romancing someone else. I said, it's because she is trying to romance Sebastian who she does not like as much apparently.

So....uhh...? Not everyone is you.

I was just being overdramatic and somewhat silly, hence the overdramatic sigh and such. Sorry, it must not have come out in text very well. Didn't want to have a debate started on my account.

I prefer Anders as a LI, definitely, but Sebastian is slowly growing on me. Actually I regret rivalmancing him now and wish I'd friend-romanced him to see the new Legacy content. I still need to upload my Anders-romancing Hawke and see Legacy from -their- point of view.

Glad to see that there's some Sand love, as well. I sort of missed the boat on the NWN2 fandom, but it does indeed look like a lot of Bishop love. Ah, well, I can see the allure of a bad boy, not my cup of tea, but whatever floats your boat.

[FieryDove]

Toastyblue2 wrote...

Still so very bitter that you couldn't romance Sand. Who's with me?

Me me!

To bring this back to Anders: I'm doing a playthrough right now where I'm rivalmancing Sebastian and also trying to get the Vicount achievement. I know you guys will sympathise. It's awful having to pretty much ignore Anders and/or be mean to him. Awful.

*overly dramatic sob*

Don't be mean to Anders!

[Melca36]

Tidra wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I have never ever understood how someone can have a hard time not romancing a character in a game.

Never has been an issue for me.
But then again I play the crap out of all my games and have to see all the content in it.

Which is why I beat Dragon Age Origins around 25 times.

MAAAAKKKEERRRR NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

It's because it's Sebastian.

Playing a game where I did not recruit him.

Its so nice not hearing his "Its the Maker's Will" prognostications.

[cmessaz]

Me too Melca...for science.

[Monica21]

FieryDove wrote...

*totally and completely OT*
This makes me want to load up NWN2 just for Bishop. Sorry to all the Sand lovers, awesome as he is.

[LT123]

Toastyblue2 wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Alot of people were appalled at NWN2 OC endings. Rocks fall, everyone dies, including your LI, either Casavir or Elanne. When storm of Zehir came out and this little tidbit about casavir being left for dead and taken by the Luskans set off the Casavir fangirl base in new directions, including some of the mod goddesses getting together to create a "rescue Cas" mod. As well as many fan fics detailing various rescue escapades.

Yeah, I was pretty appalled, but pleasantly so, because it at least defied the stupid "rocks fall, everyone dies" ending that Obsidian used to hamfisted kill off the OC companions. But I definitely would want to rescue him, given the type of people the Luskans are, and the various torments they would use on a Tyrran paladin, especially a neverwinter paladin.

Still so very bitter that you couldn't romance Sand. Who's with me?

To bring this back to Anders: I'm doing a playthrough right now where I'm rivalmancing Sebastian and also trying to get the Vicount achievement. I know you guys will sympathise. It's awful having to pretty much ignore Anders and/or be mean to him. Awful.

*overly dramatic sob*

Casavir and Sand! OLD OWL WELL

I raged at the ending of the NW2 OC. Raged.

And then Gann's like "GEE , I THINK IT"S OBVIOUS WHY I"M FOLLOWING YOU." Sorry, too busy mourning my paladin boyfriend who got crushed by giant rocks along with half the party. And apparently survived, but my ranger didn't know that (thanks, Ammon Jerro).

Edit: Also, Bishop can go die in a fire. I did enjoy the "I'd rather stab myself in the throat" option, but it apparently wasn't enough to deter him from little speech about having feeling for the KC. Which...made no sense. It's like Anders! Bishop and Casavir are always hopelessly attracted to/in love with the KC no matter what!

If the Warden pulls a Revan, I will nerdrage hard. Poor Carth. Obsiddiiaaaaaannnnn! *shakes fist*

Flirting with Seb is hilarious. I looked at the first flirt line and went, "Oh, that's terrible. Hawke's not really going to use that line, is she?" *click*

Hawke: *trollface* Services for me?
Seb: What? Why are you smiling like tha...Oh. I need to go pray. A lot.

I about died laughing. It reminded me of Daveth going for the "Heh, heh, heh, I'll watch your back" in Origins. I liked that guy. And I would swear Seb did some sort of head scratching animation that I've seen in Mass Effect, because I remember going, "Oh, Kaidan does that."

So you're rivaling Anders? Are you picking all the aggressive lines or just sending everybody off to the Circle? Feynriel was the only mage I didn't ship off there.

You're not going to let him kill Ella, are you?

Modifié par LT123, 17 août 2011 - 02:33 .

[Arquen]

I have one playthrough where I rivaled everyone, and my Hawke was a complete trollface. I think I ended up siding with the mages even though I had rivaled Anders to max level.

However, I did have him kill Ella... I was incredibly mean to him, and I'm sorry. Then again I almost couldn't finish that playthrough because I felt so bad about being so nasty to everyone. Then I got over it and figured it was FOR SCIENCE.

I too play games over and over and over to get different cutscenes and dialogue options and choices and etc. etc. I mix up my party, do different personality types. Play out different scenarios. In the end of my rivalry PT I just didn't want to kill Anders off... again... I did an ultimate tragic PT where I offed Anders and sided with the Templars. I also killed off my sibling in that one.

When I think about it I have been quite mean to Anders in some of my games. It was for science I swear!