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[SurelyForth]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

I'm definitely down with being the lady knight in shining armor to Anders' occassional damselness. Although, my favorite is both people in the couple being awesome. Which is why it's nice that Anders really can take care of himself in a fight, even if I like to joke about him being a delicate flower.

Definitely. In Awakening, he was my Warden's Prince of Mayhem and Destruction. Seriously, the boy could have wiped Kirkwall off the map by the time we made it to the Mother. Overpowered AND indestructible. In DA2, he loses some of that power, but he's still an abomination and an uber-mage. AND a Grey Warden. Therefore, awesome. He just passes out a little too easily sometimes. It's adorable. :3

Oh! StormDragon on tumblr has made hug!Anders gifs!!

 

Modifié par SurelyForth, 18 août 2011 - 01:49 .

[Giggles_Manically]

HAHAAAAA!

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Also, if I were a photoshop person, I would totally make this into an asofterthedas comic. It seems very rivalmancy to me: 

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 18 août 2011 - 01:53 .

[DragonRacer]

In honor of Knightly Lady Hawkes everywhere...



Also, damn you, Surely, for that freaking Texts from Thedas link. It's apparently a black hole from which not even light can escape, just like TV Tropes.

[YamiSnuffles]

DragonRacer wrote...
Squishy mages!  With a creamy, Justice filling...

I truly love this thread.

What with Justice having to fill in for Anders' lack of crotch, it only seems right...

[Giggles_Manically]

I am finding much amusement tonight!

[SurelyForth]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...
And I, also, like playing the lady knight in shining armor, especially with Anders around to heal the wounds of recklessness. 

When I first read this, I thought you were going to say "especially with Anders around to be the princess." 

I mean he has the pretty frock, and he did spend most of his life trapped in a tall tower. /whistles innocently

One thing I like about Bioware games is that the romances all seem to be written in such a way that the PC can be the pro-active and resposible one, regardless of gender. You can also usually play or roleplay it the other way, too, but the romances seem very non-gender-stereotyped.

I wish there were more media where the woman is clearly the knight. The only thing that immediately springs to mind is Utena.

Edit: and yes, my favorite relationship is one where they are unquestionably equal in awesomeness... but with so much media canonically being balanced one way, I still thrill at seeing the reversal.

I don't really go in for the Princess/Lady Anders thing at all (mostly because of the mental instability/romantic obsessiveness = girl! aspect of it). Besides, he saves himself from the tower. Or maybe the Warden does...

Anyway! I do definitely give into the urge to be the stronger one in the Hawke/Anders relationship. They're awesome in different ways, but when it comes down to it Hawke is going to be carrying Anders around, physically and mentally. 

Modifié par SurelyForth, 18 août 2011 - 02:03 .

[DragonRacer]

LOL

[YamiSnuffles]

Giggles_Manically wrote...



I am finding much amusement tonight!

Hahahaha!

Hawke's expression at the end totally makes that perfect.

[Giggles_Manically]

I am laughing so hard that my sides hurt.

[Sinaxi]

SurelyForth wrote...

I don't really go in for the Princess/Lady Anders thing at all (mostly because of the mental instability/romantic obsessiveness = girl! aspect of it). Besides, he saves himself from the tower. Or maybe the Warden does...

Anyway! I do definitely give into the urge to be the stronger one in the Hawke/Anders relationship. They're awesome in different ways, but when it comes down to it Hawke is going to be carrying Anders around, physically and mentally. 

Eh, not necessarily physically. Hawke could be a Mage, and also a girl. They could have all the combat prowess in the world but I'm disinclined to say that a woman Hawke (that is also a mage) could like, easily overpower one of the male companions. Also, based on Hepler's short story I would say that Anders (especially when Justice takes over) is rather physically strong. He took someone's head competely off with his bare hands.

I know a lot of people like to think of Anders as like...being this starving refugee that is thin and stuff in Darktown...but honestly, I really don't buy that at all. You cannot get into the kinds of constant fighting that they do without being healthy, it doesn't matter if you are a mage or not. He wouldn't be able to keep up if he was that unhealthy. He was/is also a Warden and was one months before, I'm led to believe he hasn't been in Kirkwall all that long. So I would be more inclined to say that maybe he didn't eat a lot, or wasn't as healthy until he met Hawke after having gone through the whole Justice ordeal/coming to Kirkwall - but he ends up going on a lot of jobs with Hawke...it would make sense to me that he had money enough to buy food/was relatively healthy. He stays in Darktown because he wants to help people.

I don't say that out of like "oh, guys are always stronger than girls" but just generally speaking, I don't see why Anders would be this extremely weak individual physically. It's not really referenced anywhere in the game as far as I can tell, and it would make no sense to me if he was unhealthy/not eating much/or otherwise thin when he has to stay pretty active if he is running around with Hawke all the time. There is no way his body would be able to endure that otherwise.

Lol, I mean I'm not going by character attributes (strength, cunning, etc) obviously.

[SurelyForth]

I was speaking from a Warrior!Hawke perspective, since my canon is a warrior.

And Anders might not be physically weak, but he is probably overworked and we know he's stressed much of the time. I get the impression that he works constantly, and doesn't stop when he's tired. While Warden stamina helps, we see from that first cutscene with him that using magic wears on him physically. So, at the end of a long day stomping around the Wounded Coast (after a long night of manifestoing after a long day of healing), I can see him being exhausted.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 18 août 2011 - 02:25 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

DragonRacer wrote...


Squishy mages!  With a creamy, Justice filling...

Yes, I'll take an Anders Twinkie in my lunch.:wub::wub::wub:

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Giggles_Manically wrote...



HAHAAAAA!

That explains why everyone at the Amell estate seems "stuck" in the same exact location after 3 years....:whistle:

Anders the ******-bomber....I love it.

[Sinaxi]

SurelyForth wrote...

I was speaking from a Warrior!Hawke perspective, since my canon is a warrior.

And Anders might not be physically weak, but he is probably overworked and we know he's stressed much of the time. I get the impression that he works constantly, and doesn't stop when he's tired. While Warden stamina helps, we see from that first cutscene with him that using magic wears on him physically. So, at the end of a long day stomping around the Wounded Coast (after a long night of manifestoing after a long day of healing), I can see him being exhausted.

After a long day I would say the majority of them would be exhausted. As far as overworking himself, I would agree with that assessment - but at the same time we don't know how many patients on average a day Anders would get. I wouldn't assume that there are just tons of people crowding his doors with very fatal injuries which would require the most work, especially after many of the refugees cleared out of Kirkwall after the end of the Blight. That would lead me to believe that some of the most physically straining work he ends up doing would be when he's with Hawke but I could say that about any of the companions.

On a (relatively) normal day, I would say Anders physically is no better or less than many of the other companions. I have just noticed sometimes that he is depicted as being pretty frail, starved, and overall like this refugee that never eats a day in his life which is mostly what I was commenting on.

Modifié par Tidra, 18 août 2011 - 02:44 .

[CulturalGeekGirl]

SurelyForth wrote...

I don't really go in for the Princess/Lady Anders thing at all (mostly because of the mental instability/romantic obsessiveness = girl! aspect of it). Besides, he saves himself from the tower. Or maybe the Warden does...

Anyway! I do definitely give into the urge to be the stronger one in the Hawke/Anders relationship. They're awesome in different ways, but when it comes down to it Hawke is going to be carrying Anders around, physically and mentally.

I mostly meant the princess line as a joke, but yeah, I agree.

I recently started a new playthrough of my Warrior Hawke, intending her to be the same person as she was previously, but she has a different personality this time. There's a story thing I'm fond of (I'm not sure if it's developed enough to be a trope), the story of two friends, one of whom gets the power or the destiny, when the other one would be so much more suited to dealing with it. While it's possible to play Hawke as the reluctant hero, I personally tend to play Hawke as someone who has always wanted to be the hero, to take the bullet, to put their life on the line for everyone else. Anders never wanted any of that, but he was the one who got the chance, and now he's the one with the burden. So you have Hawke saying "I don't want to have a normal life," which Anders doesn't understand, because that's what he's always wanted.

To me, that's how Hawke "carries" Anders. She's the one who says "don't run away" after Ella. She's the one who never loses hope, or sanity. She's got all the qualities required to be the hero, while he has all the burdens... and a lot of her personal burden is just how much of his she can help shoulder. (This applies only to certain permutations of friendhawke, but it's an interaction that I like).

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 18 août 2011 - 02:59 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

I think I might miss the day when I used to rp like that, to some extent.
Interesting ideas CGGs.

[nEOn_pENgUiN_13]

I just got done readimg this top page and its Amazing how much ppl read into characters in games like this...and im not saying its a bad thing.....its just interestidng to see ppls diffrent views on characters and how each person sees them diffrntly.....i luved anders in awakening and was sorta sad to see some of his carefree and jovial prsonality gone but i also fell in love with the "new" anders's story and how he tried helping a friend but turned into this monster tht hes always hated.....i think the change in him creates a tragic but completely romantic and passionate story (if hawke romances him)

I also find it strange tht if u try to romance him, he tells u tht u shuldnt get involved wih him cuz hell break ur heart, but he gets upset if u tell him ur relationship is strictly business or if u ignore his flirtig and romance sum1 else then he gets very jealous.....poor conflicted anders....

[CulturalGeekGirl]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I think I might miss the day when I used to rp like that, to some extent.
Interesting ideas CGGs.

I can't not RP like that. Hell, I have more fun coming up with Hawke concepts and then imagining how they'd react to certain situations than I do actually playing the game... which is why a lot of my Hawkes peter out somewhere in Act 2.

Also, I don't know if you saw my explanation as to why Varric makes Hawke look like an idiot. I wrote it partially thinking of you, and your Hawke hate. Because if Hawke were going to pick someone to do a massive coverup of their invovlement in a conspiracy to overthrow the government, Varric would be one of the best choices to pull it off.

[KnightofPhoenix]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
I can't not RP like that. Hell, I have more fun coming up with Hawke concepts and then imagining how they'd react to certain situations than I do actually playing the game... which is why a lot of my Hawkes peter out somewhere in Act 2.

Also, I don't know if you saw my explanation as to why Varric makes Hawke look like an idiot. I wrote it partially thinking of you, and your Hawke hate. Because if Hawke were going to pick someone to do a massive coverup of their invovlement in a conspiracy to overthrow the government, Varric would be one of the best choices to pull it off.

I used to do that in Origins. Like a lot. Could write whole blogs about them (well I did write one).

I read it. I thought it was humorous....and reminded me how irritating this whole thing is. So in order to avoid ranting here, I went to a thread specifically dedicated to that and pissed people off there.

[leggywillow]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
I can't not RP like that. Hell, I have more fun coming up with Hawke concepts and then imagining how they'd react to certain situations than I do actually playing the game... which is why a lot of my Hawkes peter out somewhere in Act 2.

Me too.  I approach Hawke the same way as I do my Shepards, and I'm able to make a larger variety of them despite being more "pre-established" characters than, say, the Lone Wanderer or the Courier.  It's more about role-playing the why behind their choices for me, and it's a lot of fun.

[Sifr]

Maybe its just me, but after Act 3, does anyone else think that this totally suits Anders?



So your worlds benign.
So you think Justice has a voice.
And we all have a choice?
Well now your world is mine!

Anders struggle with Justice seem weirdly aligned with the story of Billy/Doctor Horrible.

This perplexes me

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Oh, the Anders - Dr. Horrible connection has been made before. Here's a series of comics about it. (With Fen as Captain Hammer.) Not that we don't appreciate elaboration on the theme!

And of course, there is an appropriate piece of yami art.


yamisnuffles

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 18 août 2011 - 04:29 .

[Arquen]

I had no idea about Dr. Horrible until this thread. Oh you people have led me to some strange places!

The idea of Fenris as Capt. Hammer still cracks me up. That comic, too... priceless.

As for the gender thing I actually see Dragon Age as one of the most gender neutral games out there. My aggressive female Hawke feels aggressive, not ****y. She is strong and people don't F with her. The only ones who seem to fall into sort of a gender niche are Isabela and Merrill, but they are redeemable simply because they have other qualities that break them from the mold. Isabela is an in your face sexy minx, but she is also a captain and one hell of a duelist with her own intimacy and personal relations issues. Merrill is a bubbly, sweet, naive little puppy you just want to shelter and hug, but she is also stubborn, independent, and strong in her convictions to a fault.

I never saw Anders as such a starved and malnourished refugee to the point where he cannot function. However, he has the warden appetite, visually looks a bit haggard and thinner, and unquestionably pushes himself beyond his limits physically. The stress pushes him mentally. He is the kind of person who seems to always be doing something. Whereas the other companions tend to be able to take respite and hang out in their respective dwellings and enjoy themselves Anders seems to be always up to something. Always working, plotting, thinking, manifestoing (it's a word!).. etc. etc.

Hence that's where I think people get that idea especially vs his Awakenings self who definitely doesn't appear the same physically or mentally.

[Sifr]

Haha, well I just got to the part where Anders did his evil costume switch, I think thats what got me imagining that Anders secretly performs his own sing-along-blog to the cats in the Undercity...

Actually, that does raise a question... how come Hawke's gifts never included giving Anders another cat?

Unless Hawke did and this happened;

Anders: Ser Purrs-A-Lot! Did you just use my bed as a-
Justice: YOU WILL USE THE LITTER TRAY!

Modifié par Sifr1449, 18 août 2011 - 10:41 .