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[ashyraine]

LT123 wrote...

Vicious wrote...

Okay I just re-finished the game with Rival Anders. Easily the best companion in the entire game. But it sounded a lot to me like he was going to commit suicide if he didn't die in battle...

Yeah. He's really screwed up in the templar ending.



If you side with the mages on rivalry, his speech is exactly the same as it is on friendship. It's pretty jarring.

I guess we'll have to wait for a codex entry in DA3 to see if he actually does commit suicide. When I played Legacy with a post campaign save I was wondering if he'd show up since I sided with the Templars and made him do so as well on my For Science playthrough. He was there, but you don't get any romance dialogue. Could be that was a goodbye kiss in the Gallows?

[Ryzaki]

Could be bugged. Like my poor Fenris romance

[berelinde]

ashyraine wrote...
I guess we'll have to wait for a codex entry in DA3 to see if he actually does commit suicide. When I played Legacy with a post campaign save I was wondering if he'd show up since I sided with the Templars and made him do so as well on my For Science playthrough. He was there, but you don't get any romance dialogue. Could be that was a goodbye kiss in the Gallows?

Hmm, I didn't have him in the selection screen on my "for science" PT. But I had played that game all the way through to where Varric doesn't say "Except for Anders." It was heartbreaking.

In other news, this thread is still a welcome refuge from insanity elsewhere.

[ashyraine]

berelinde wrote...

ashyraine wrote...
I guess we'll have to wait for a codex entry in DA3 to see if he actually does commit suicide. When I played Legacy with a post campaign save I was wondering if he'd show up since I sided with the Templars and made him do so as well on my For Science playthrough. He was there, but you don't get any romance dialogue. Could be that was a goodbye kiss in the Gallows?

Hmm, I didn't have him in the selection screen on my "for science" PT. But I had played that game all the way through to where Varric doesn't say "Except for Anders." It was heartbreaking.

In other news, this thread is still a welcome refuge from insanity elsewhere.

Yeah.. I was using a post campaign save where Varric doesn't say that either.. but he was there. Maybe him showing up at all was a bug in that case.
When I reloaded with my mages post campaign save he was there AND I got the romance dialogue too.

edit: maybe the fact I had two saves at all confused the hell out of it haha. they are labeled "PC templars" and "PC mages"  and he was there each time

Modifié par ashyraine, 21 août 2011 - 11:41 .

[Heidenreich]

The end-of-the-game-save is actually a "pre-jenga" post-game save. They did that specifically so you can do DLC with your companions even after you've lost all of them in the end result ;p

[Ryzaki]

Heidenreich wrote...

The end-of-the-game-save is actually a "pre-jenga" post-game save. They did that specifically so you can do DLC with your companions even after you've lost all of them in the end result ;p

Not sure about that. People have said if you killed Anders post jenga he's not available during endgame. 

Seb wasn't available for me in my post campaign save when I spared Anders. 

[ashyraine]

Ryzaki wrote...

Heidenreich wrote...

The end-of-the-game-save is actually a "pre-jenga" post-game save. They did that specifically so you can do DLC with your companions even after you've lost all of them in the end result ;p

Not sure about that. People have said if you killed Anders post jenga he's not available during endgame. 

Seb wasn't available for me in my post campaign save when I spared Anders. 

Yeah Seb doesn't show up for me either because I spared Anders

[Sherbet Lemon]

 As someone who has stabbity kill-killed Ander (please don't tar and pitchfork me...I still like him a whole lot.  It was just in character...>.>), I can confirm that in a post-campaign save, he is not selectable.  

[LT123]

Didn't have Seb available either-I had to do Legacy from an earlier save for him to show up in the party selection screen.

@Village Idiot: Don't worry about tar and pitchforks. I'll probably do a dead Anders save FOR SCIENCE at some point.



This is still funny. I guess I'm easily entertained.

[ashyraine]

LT123 wrote...

Didn't have Seb available either-I had to do Legacy from an earlier save for him to show up in the party selection screen.

@Village Idiot: Don't worry about tar and pitchforks. I'll probably do a dead Anders save FOR SCIENCE at some point.



This is still funny. I guess I'm easily entertained.

this is begging to be turned into a txt from thedas on tumblr haha

[CulturalGeekGirl]

The Anders thread actually isn't that averse to the idea of executing him, a lot of the time. Surprisingly. Heck, I think people here are more upset if you make him side with the templars.

Also here's my theory on why Anders isn't with you if you make him side with the Templars. I rolled a die to determine which Warden would come for him, and it came up Brosca! Also, in my mind, all dust town Dwarves are from Boston, Just go with it. Also, I've had like... eight coffees today,

*****

Anders woke up with his hands bound behind him and a hood over his head. Not an entirely unfamiliar situation, but one that he still never failed to find distressing. He tested the ropes very subtly, pretending to shift in his unconsciousness.

"I believe he is awake," whoever his captors were, they were more observant than most. Also, more heavily accented. Who did he know from Antiva?

"Hey there buddy, we'a gonna take off yer blindfold. Just didn't wanna startle yah." That voice was more familiar, but made absolutely no sense in this context. His hood lifted. The daylight was bright, and it took a moment for a scarred dwarven face to resolve and come into focus.

"B...Brosca?" 

"Hey there, Anders, how yah doin? We've taken the liberty a' fakin' yer death for yah."

"What?"

"That Hawke guy really had you mess'd up propah, eh? Thinkin' Justice were some demon. You'd think a fella like that'd be able to tell a demon when he sees one, afta all them years livin' in a haunted city, but he's as thick as a slab a' Hightown Feldspar."

"Umm."

"That's wicked thick."

"Ok."

"So Zev and I here, we took tha liberty a' fakin yer death, to getcha away from him."

Anders felt the rage grow inside him, the cool whiff of ozone in the air that heralded Justice's arrival "I can't believe you... THAT IS PROBABLY FOR THE BEST." Anders felt Justice's voice echo throughout his being, cool and subdued.

"Oh hey there pal-a-mine! Yeah, we thought so. Now c'mon, we're makin for Rivain. Zev here even got us a boat with some gal I think ya know. Have you right as rain in no time."

Anders sighed "I suppose it's probably for the best." He felt Justice relax inside him for the first time in years.

"That's the spirit! Heh, Spirit. Get it, Zev?"

"You are quite clever, oh my queen of wit and beauty"

"Nevah forget it."

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 22 août 2011 - 04:51 .

[Arquen]

You think Justice would be comfortable with a separation? I mean what if he wants to have another body and fears returning to the fade or worse, blinking out of existence since we don't know if he will actually go back to the fade.

I just wonder.... because separating Anders is probably best for him, but what does Justice want?

[Neminea]

Silly! He wants... JUSTICE!
Since I think justice screwing with anders mind is the reason that anders blew up the pretty building, having justice die for it would only be justice *nods*
And then, we will have our funny anders back

[Sepewrath]

I don't think Justice would be willing to leave even if it were possible, its kind of like the Dark Phoenix(cartoon version) it got its jollies and then didn't want to give the body back.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Well, since the roll on the table of Wardens came up Brosca in this instance, this is slightly twisted to her perspective, and also concerns rivalmance Anders only.

Honestly, separation or body timeshare, she doesn't much care how they fix things, as long as Anders stops thinking of Justice as a demon (and maybe starts thinking of him as a roommate?) and Justice stops being uncontrollably violent, whether it's together or apart. In her eyes, Justice was a spirit and is still a spirit until he becomes something in one of the defined categories of demons... which he isn't. So he's obviously not a demon. She's simple like that. (I'm sure Amell and Surana might have different points of view on this. Tabris and Mahariel both think the concept of Vengeance is awesome, for very different reasons. Aeducan would just try to get Justice to talk to Nate, and then ask him what to do. Nate is her "chief officer of human things I don't understand.")

Marethari says that a soul that has been possessed is weaker after the possession is removed, and I suspect she might be right, so usually I stray away from that idea. If I found evidence to the contrary in Rivain or Tevinter I'd consider it, but for now that's the premise I'm operating on.

No, instead of removing Justice, I'm more focused on reasoning with him, making him see that he's hurting Anders, that he's not being fair to him. I don't think the goal of getting Awakening style Anders back is reasonable, but I think getting a sort of compromise Anders back... one that is less tormented but also not completely apathetic... is still possible.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 22 août 2011 - 06:57 .

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Which is a better tagline?

"Tumblr: not just another smut storage and delivery device."

or

"Tumblr: another smut storage and delivery device"

[esper]

I don't think seprating Anders and Justice is a good idea either. I personally think that Anders mind immune defence system is reduced to zero, and he is a mage. I would be too worried that something else would possessed or that Anders mind would simply... collapse, and no matter what: He has still done the things, he have done. I don't think that he would ever be able to forget it or laugh it off.
As for my characters:
My Hawke fell in love with a abomination. Without Justice it would only be half the Anders, she knew, and she would hate awakening Anders anyway.
My warden was a Surana and she would think that what Anders did was a pretty stupid idea, and would properly have attempted to kill Justice or something if she knew that they would do it, but with the dead done it is out of her hands, and she is too busy messing with the crows in Antiva anyway.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Oh sure. I still primarily use tumblr as a means to find My Little Pony videos and pictures of Garrus, and to follow a bunch of humor writers and comic book artists I like.

But every once in a while I'll search a tag I think is perfectly innocent, and boom! Tumblr'd.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 22 août 2011 - 07:41 .

[berelinde]

Neminea wrote...

Silly! He wants... JUSTICE!
Since I think justice screwing with anders mind is the reason that anders blew up the pretty building, having justice die for it would only be justice *nods*
And then, we will have our funny anders back

I'm uncertain if it is possibe to remove Justice. Both Marethari and Anders think it isn't. Then again, neither knows everything. Anders, knowledgeable as he is, says that the only way to evict a spirit isby its host's death. We know that isn't true. If you kill the spirit/demon in the Fade, it's gone. Of course, Justice is trapped outside the Fade, so that's impossible, but if there was a way to return Justice to the Fade, perhaps by a reversal of the spell the Countess used, it could happen. Marethari thinks the soul of a once-possessed person would be irreparably scarred by the experience, which bodes ill for Connor, and it makes sense based on what we see of Anders's psyche on the rivalry path, but Marethari did not think it was possible to free Feynriel without destroying him in the process, either. Perhaps if the separation was less violent, Anders's sanity (or what's left of it) might be spared.

No matter what happened, though, Awakenings Anders is gone. You don't bounce back after what he's been through. Maybe he would be less broken, and regain some ability to see humor in the world, but I believe he will forever be more serious and introspective. One would hope that he would not rebound in the other direction and turn into the equivaent of a reformed ex-smoker, but I could see something like that happening.

[esper]

I don't think Fenryiel was possessed yet. As I understood it Carress and Wrynne (Or whatever the pride was named) was trying to get him to accept a deal - preferably before he accpeted the other. And Torpor just wanted them gone so he could trick Fenryel. So I sort of saw Fenriyel in the pre-possessed phase.
Connor had already accepted the deal, yes, but it seems that he simply blocked the bad memories out...
So far we have seen three kind of possession:
Possession from the fade (Connor) where the demon control the mind from a safe place in the fade. I also think that it was this the demons haunting Fenriyel tried to do.
Possession outside the Fade: Like the desire demon who enchancted the templar in the tower in Origins. She was clearly not in the Templar, but she had lacthed on to his mind and I supect life force in order to exits outside the Fade.
Possession in the body. We have seen Uldred, Mathari, Baroness and two spirits do this. I suspect that it is mostly pride demons that can do succesfully because they are the strongest and thus mostly can manage to keep the host body's form (and switch into their own when threaten). I also suspect that a lot of the twisted abomination who loses their form are a result of a failed attempt to do this kind of possession. I also think that this one dooms the demon if the host is killed because demon (or spirit) and human seems fused.

[AndreaDraco]

berelinde wrote...

Awesome!

[Heidenreich]

ashyraine wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Heidenreich wrote...

The end-of-the-game-save is actually a "pre-jenga" post-game save. They did that specifically so you can do DLC with your companions even after you've lost all of them in the end result ;p

Not sure about that. People have said if you killed Anders post jenga he's not available during endgame. 

Seb wasn't available for me in my post campaign save when I spared Anders. 

Yeah Seb doesn't show up for me either because I spared Anders

Weird, it worked for me on my original-vanilla playthrough. I had everyone but Isabela, because she left in act2. Even Fenris, and I killed him when he wouldn't side with me ;p