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[Arquen]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Oh sure. I still primarily use tumblr as a means to find My Little Pony videos and pictures of Garrus, and to follow a bunch of humor writers and comic book artists I like.

But every once in a while I'll search a tag I think is perfectly innocent, and boom! Tumblr'd.

QFT! Except I do like the ask blogs as well.

I haven't quite found one I truly think is *awesome* though. A lot of the time I can't get on board with them because I know it's just fan replies. Still, they are hilarious if nothing else.

But yeah I once told my boyfriend to Tumblr search "Fenders" -- he was like "why? what is a Fenders? OH MY GOD!!! I HATE YOU!!!" Me: "muaaaaahaaaaahaaaaaaa" Tumblr'ed biaaatcchhhh

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by Fabriel on DA

Modifié par Arquen, 22 août 2011 - 01:54 .

[Mekarah]

Heidenreich wrote...

Weird, it worked for me on my original-vanilla playthrough. I had everyone but Isabela, because she left in act2. Even Fenris, and I killed him when he wouldn't side with me ;p

One way must be a bug then, because I had neither Fenris nor Seb on my last playthrough, because they either left or...forcefully left.

Also, after I finished the game and reloaded my post-save for funsies, it seemed to allow me to play Legacy again. I didn't, but it asked if I wanted to. I'm pretty sure it doesn't normally do that, right? Allow you to replay it?

[Giggles_Manically]

Just shows you the last cut scene again.

Nothing that important.

[Pris81]

berelinde wrote...

I'm uncertain if it is possibe to remove Justice. Both Marethari and Anders think it isn't. Then again, neither knows everything. Anders, knowledgeable as he is, says that the only way to evict a spirit isby its host's death. We know that isn't true. If you kill the spirit/demon in the Fade, it's gone. Of course, Justice is trapped outside the Fade, so that's impossible, but if there was a way to return Justice to the Fade, perhaps by a reversal of the spell the Countess used, it could happen. Marethari thinks the soul of a once-possessed person would be irreparably scarred by the experience, which bodes ill for Connor, and it makes sense based on what we see of Anders's psyche on the rivalry path, but Marethari did not think it was possible to free Feynriel without destroying him in the process, either. Perhaps if the separation was less violent, Anders's sanity (or what's left of it) might be spared.

No matter what happened, though, Awakenings Anders is gone. You don't bounce back after what he's been through. Maybe he would be less broken, and regain some ability to see humor in the world, but I believe he will forever be more serious and introspective. One would hope that he would not rebound in the other direction and turn into the equivaent of a reformed ex-smoker, but I could see something like that happening.

Totally. Somebody said this before (in a proper English though) : when you play Awakening there's times when you'd like to grab Anders by the collar of his robes and say "won't you grow up??" OK, then it happened, for good and for bad. Anders' evolution from Awakening to DA2 isn't only the result of merging with Justice, but also the result of growing up. And growing up is painful.

Of course there was a light shining in my face (and a "hold on, I'm not that easily tricked... <_<" feel) when he told Hawke about the un-merging potion but if it came out to be true, that wouldn't bring Awakening Anders back. Less struggle in his mind about identity, but the same experiences lived.

As for the Tumblr thing... Dammit, I got stuck at the Facebook point of the story, when everybody had a FB and I had to sign in.  I guess the same will happen to me with Tumblr. And I don't even know what to put in the "URL" field... Facepalm. F*** you Internet, why do you make me feel so silly?

Modifié par Pris81, 22 août 2011 - 03:38 .

[Sialater]

I never wanted Anders to grow up, though. :sad face:

[Pris81]

Sialater wrote...

I never wanted Anders to grow up, though. :sad face:

Oops. I did, but somehow I understand whose who didn't...

Cheer-up kittens for you.



by ~Sammy-Silverstripe

[Sepewrath]

Sialater wrote...

I never wanted Anders to grow up, he's a Toys R Us kid

I am curious if Anders could even survive a separation attempt, Connor was connected through the Fade and it seems to have screwed him up. I'm wondering if pulling Justice out of Anders wouldn't turn him into mush.

[tuffet37]

At one point in the game you can ask a question about this to the keeper, she indicates that the person would not do well.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Sialater wrote...

I never wanted Anders to grow up, though. :sad face:

Me neither. It was part of his free-spirited, easy wheeling charm. :wub::wub:

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Pris81 wrote...


Cheer-up kittens for you.



by ~Sammy-Silverstripe

The image of Anders covered in kittens should be made into a religous icon for the mage movement.:wub::wub::wub::wub:

[berelinde]

Sepewrath wrote...

Sialater wrote...

I never wanted Anders to grow up, he's a Toys R Us kid

I am curious if Anders could even survive a separation attempt, Connor was connected through the Fade and it seems to have screwed him up. I'm wondering if pulling Justice out of Anders wouldn't turn him into mush.

Marethari thinks so. Anders, too, worries that there's very little of himself left. But what if they're wrong? Would that be a chance your Hawke (or Anders) would be willing to take? How tragic would it be to have a "separate Justice" DLC that ended with Anders as a turnip?

Sorry. My mood is pretty fey today. Worst day in many years, RL work-related, and the mood swings are extreme.

[FieryDove]

berelinde wrote...

Marethari thinks so. Anders, too, worries that there's very little of himself left. But what if they're wrong? Would that be a chance your Hawke (or Anders) would be willing to take? How tragic would it be to have a "separate Justice" DLC that ended with Anders as a turnip?

Sorry. My mood is pretty fey today. Worst day in many years, RL work-related, and the mood swings are extreme.

No turnips!

If there was such a dlc my warden would come back and help. Justice and Anders *loved* all my warden commanders. lol

We were best pals tho...and my warden helped Justice see what humanity is and now he forgot it all. sigh

I miss your old avatar. This one is good its just different.

[berelinde]

FieryDove wrote...
I miss your old avatar. This one is good its just different.

The old one was my first Warden, Something-or-other Cousland. I never really bonded with her, but after I enabled the console, I could no longer update my profile, so she stayed. This one is Iain Hawke, and it's a bit of a reminder to me to stay off the forums and work on my fanfic. Or it's consolation for not being able to work on my fanfic while I finish up some BG2/NWN2 obligations.

[Nilfalasiel]

I wouldn't mind a more serious Anders if that would be the only consequence for kicking Justice out. Turnip!Anders though...no, thanks  I wouldn't hesitate about kicking him out if given a feasible chance, but not if that's the kind of outcome it entailed. I think it's gotten to a point where I don't much care what Justice wants. He just isn't meant to be there. Proposing the merger was a bad idea (as was accepting it), and I don't think Anders should be the only one to suffer the consequences.

But yeah, Connor seemed fairly normal to me after the demon was disposed of. He was just confused about what happened to his mother (I've always taken the option to let Isolde sacrifice herself). He wasn't possessed for very long though, and the demon was still in the Fade, so maybe it's not as bad in his case as in Anders'.

It's true that both him and Marethari could be wrong, though. Justice was obviously able to switch hosts from Kristoff to Anders without much trouble (whether Kristoff got decapitated or not), for instance. I still think there could be some more definitive answers on the topic somewhere in Rivain.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 23 août 2011 - 12:32 .

[Heidenreich]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

I wouldn't mind a more serious Anders if that would be the only consequence for kicking Justice out. Turnip!Anders though...no, thanks  I wouldn't hesitate about kicking him out if given a feasible chance, but not if that's the kind of outcome it entailed. I think it's gotten to a point where I don't much care what Justice wants. He just isn't meant to be there. Proposing the merger was a bad idea (as was accepting it), and I don't think Anders should be the only one to suffer the consequences.

But yeah, Connor seemed fairly normal to me after the demon was disposed of. He was just confused about what happened to his mother (I've always taken the option to let Isolde sacrifice herself). He wasn't possessed for very long though, and the demon was still in the Fade, so maybe it's not as bad in his case as in Anders'.

It's true that both him and Marethari could be wrong, though. Justice was obviously able to switch hosts from Kristoff to Anders without much trouble (whether Kristoff got decapitated or not), for instance. I still think there could be some more definitive answers on the topic somewhere in Rivain.

ehh, Kristoff was a dead body. Spirits and demons can posess dead things fairly easily. Its the living things that are more difficult. Just look at the Sylvans. They're living trees poessed by demons, and if the demons could just hop bodies, they would. Instead they go crazy, because they're stuck in the body of a tree rather then a person like they'd hoped.

I get the distinct impression that once you possess a living being, its very hard to just up and leave. I'd assume only the very very powerful (see, Kitty) can hop bodies, and even then it would have to be someone willing or very easy to over-power (a child or someone very weak willed). Especially if they're trying to avoid the forced, "RABLE RABLE RAWR" abomination types, and are looking for smooth posession and take over.

[Arquen]

I'm not sure if possession in any form is "easy." It seems that if it were demons would just hop to dead bodies all the time and we would have the walking dead zombie infest in Thedas and everywhere else.

Demons seek to possess living hosts though because they want to experience emotion and the living world. I'm trying to remember what the demons have said to me from origins and what the First Enchanter said about them when my mage warden went through her harrowing. Something like Demons seek out mages in particular because of their connection with the fade but they seek to enter the living world because they want to experience emotions and gain experiences that are otherwise cut off to them in the fade.

Summoning them doesn't seem to be enough even though like the desire demon in Seb's quest is just summoned and not possessing Lady Harimann. Likewise we see other instances of people "working with" demons but not actually possessed by them. Then there are people like Hadrianna and Connor who are possessed but don't turn into abominations per say. Then there are people like Evelina and countless others who are possessed and turn into abominations.

It is strange that there are so many variations, but it seems to me that demons can be summoned into our world, but mostly what they want is to become one with a living host. A dead host doesn't offer them anything or is not enough to satisfy them. Otherwise I think more would simply do that. Then again Justice was literally pushed out of the fade and ended up in that body as a freak accident.

I would think demons have to rely on summonings and such and can't just leave the fade to jump to any body they choose or they would more often (zombie apocalypse).

[esper]

I thougth that the desire demons in Seb's quest was stuck in the statue/altar and was accidentially freed when they digged the ruins up.
I think that demons that becomes shades, perhaps can leave the Fade through their own means - a tear in the Veil, but they mostly (and thankfully) can't hold a form.
I agree that most demons seems to prefer a living host, but I always thought that was for the extra power - plus if they can keep the hosts' form they can more easily mingle with the rest of human - making it easier to control more humans and gain more power.
Also it might just be gameplay, but wasn't there a desire demon controlling one fo the gangs in act three, without there being a mage or anything?

[Patriciachr34]

berelinde wrote...

FieryDove wrote...
I miss your old avatar. This one is good its just different.

The old one was my first Warden, Something-or-other Cousland. I never really bonded with her, but after I enabled the console, I could no longer update my profile, so she stayed. This one is Iain Hawke, and it's a bit of a reminder to me to stay off the forums and work on my fanfic. Or it's consolation for not being able to work on my fanfic while I finish up some BG2/NWN2 obligations.

Edit: Quoted wrong post  ...

Modifié par Patriciachr34, 23 août 2011 - 05:52 .

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

Oh, Anders Thread it has been far too long since I last saw thee! 
(5 frigging months!)

Arquen wrote...

I'm not sure if possession in any form is "easy." It seems that if it were demons would just hop to dead bodies all the time and we would have the walking dead zombie infest in Thedas and everywhere else.

Demons seek to possess living hosts though because they want to experience emotion and the living world. I'm trying to remember what the demons have said to me from origins and what the First Enchanter said about them when my mage warden went through her harrowing. Something like Demons seek out mages in particular because of their connection with the fade but they seek to enter the living world because they want to experience emotions and gain experiences that are otherwise cut off to them in the fade.

Summoning them doesn't seem to be enough even though like the desire demon in Seb's quest is just summoned and not possessing Lady Harimann. Likewise we see other instances of people "working with" demons but not actually possessed by them. Then there are people like Hadrianna and Connor who are possessed but don't turn into abominations per say. Then there are people like Evelina and countless others who are possessed and turn into abominations.

It is strange that there are so many variations, but it seems to me that demons can be summoned into our world, but mostly what they want is to become one with a living host. A dead host doesn't offer them anything or is not enough to satisfy them. Otherwise I think more would simply do that. Then again Justice was literally pushed out of the fade and ended up in that body as a freak accident.

I would think demons have to rely on summonings and such and can't just leave the fade to jump to any body they choose or they would more often (zombie apocalypse).

Maybe in areas where the veil is thin if a person experiences a certain emotion (that would fall under the categories of desire, wrath, pride e.t.c.) the demon can pull itself through the fade.

Another theory I have is that when a mage is made tranquil, the ritual shatters their soul into spirits that represent fractions of the mortal psyche, creating demons, which are then driven to possess humans to try and regain what they once were (but don't remember being and can never be)

I have many strange theories.

Sialater wrote...

I never wanted Anders to grow up, though. :sad face:

Somewhere in there, some of the old Anders remains. (Some part of people never grows up, from what I've seen)
But damn do I miss his old, ever-cheery self.

Maker, what's next? Mature Alistair?

[Sepewrath]

esper wrote...

I thougth that the desire demons in Seb's quest was stuck in the statue/altar and was accidentially freed when they digged the ruins up.
I think that demons that becomes shades, perhaps can leave the Fade through their own means - a tear in the Veil, but they mostly (and thankfully) can't hold a form.
I agree that most demons seems to prefer a living host, but I always thought that was for the extra power - plus if they can keep the hosts' form they can more easily mingle with the rest of human - making it easier to control more humans and gain more power.
Also it might just be gameplay, but wasn't there a desire demon controlling one fo the gangs in act three, without there being a mage or anything?

Yeah demons can control non mages, like that Templar during Broken Circle, where the Desire demon pretended to be his family. I think mages are just an easier target, because of thier stronger connection to the Fade and their natural power is appealing. In Origins if IIRC, the codex said the demons that hop in dead bodies and such are confused, when they do so. So its probably not ever intentional, I would agree that they are probably always looking for a living host.

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

Sepewrath wrote...

Yeah demons can control non mages, like that Templar during Broken Circle, where the Desire demon pretended to be his family. I think mages are just an easier target, because of thier stronger connection to the Fade and their natural power is appealing. In Origins if IIRC, the codex said the demons that hop in dead bodies and such are confused, when they do so. So its probably not ever intentional, I would agree that they are probably always looking for a living host.

Well a living host would probably be a lot more "fun", and Anders already pointed out in Awakening that mages' robes are very useful in such situations.

OK, I'll let the conversation become serious again now. *ducks out*

[CrimsonZephyr]

Arquen wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Oh sure. I still primarily use tumblr as a means to find My Little Pony videos and pictures of Garrus, and to follow a bunch of humor writers and comic book artists I like.

But every once in a while I'll search a tag I think is perfectly innocent, and boom! Tumblr'd.

QFT! Except I do like the ask blogs as well.

I haven't quite found one I truly think is *awesome* though. A lot of the time I can't get on board with them because I know it's just fan replies. Still, they are hilarious if nothing else.

But yeah I once told my boyfriend to Tumblr search "Fenders" -- he was like "why? what is a Fenders? OH MY GOD!!! I HATE YOU!!!" Me: "muaaaaahaaaaahaaaaaaa" Tumblr'ed biaaatcchhhh

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by Fabriel on DA

That painting has a Shawshank Redemption vibe to it.

[Madriu034]

//start Justice fangirl rant

Where is the Justice love ?

I hate it when people drag Justice through the mud almost as much as I hate it when they do it to Anders.

Personally, I think another solution should have been sought for Justice's problem in the first place, one that didn't involve possessing a living person (or just maybe they both should have learned more about the process first before jumping in blindly).  But after the fact, I'm with Marethari.  I don't think that anything could be done for them that wouldn't be worse.  For both parties.  It would be like sawing yourself in half so that your legs could go and live another life free of your influence. 

People blaming Justice for everything, and for ruining their nice happy carefree Anders I think aren't looking at the other side of the equation.  Which, granted is quite easy, since we get about 1 minute of Justice dialog in DA2, but I digress.  Anders may be tortured by what happened, but you can't tell me that the spirit wasn't tortured either.  Neither side is really to blame here, they're both tragic characters in the end.

//end Justice fangirl rant.

[Sepewrath]

Well Justice is the primary suspect in blowing up the Chantry lol. But yeah, I think both had a negative influence on each other and it would have probably been for the best, if Justice had attached a more "stable" person. if he had to combine with a living host at all.