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[LastFadingSmile]

Mxcl wrote...

<snip stuff about Rivalry romance> 

I know what you mean. I wanted to try it because I was curious and had seen clips on youtube that piqued my curiosity, but it was so much more terrible than I anticipated, and I haven't been able to complete that game yet because it just felt so...wrong. By Act 3 I got the impression that the only thing holding this fractured semblance of a relationship together was selfish, animal attraction and twisted co-dependence.


If the Friendmance between Hawke and Anders is like a Shakespearian tragedy, then the Rivalry romance is like an Eminem video.



Edit: Oh noes, new page! D:  Here, take that!



I'm on a boat! 

Modifié par Kolotosa, 23 mars 2011 - 03:17 .

[Sarah1281]

You wouldn't even have the estate, would you?

Maybe not but I think that would be a case of lack of interest/awareness than anything else. For all Leandra petitions the viscount for the estate...it was legally sold. Leandra also says that the house is owned by Hawke and if the viscount gave it back to her then that wouldn't be the case. Hawke buys the estate back. Without Leandra, maybe they wouldn't have been so keen on getting that particular estate but they still would have had a nice mansion in Hightown.

[YamiSnuffles]

I'm not entirely sure what I thought would happen after the end of the game. I would definitely let Aveline go. If she wants to support the cause in a quieter way, fine, but I would like her to at least have a life with Donnic. Unless he still feels compelled to fight by my side, I would cut Fenris loose to do his own thing. I would like Bethany and Merrill to both go back to Ferelden, preferably with at least Varric watching over them. From there, they could contact my Warden Queen about destroying Anders' phylactery.

As for my Hawke and Anders, I would keep them constantly on the move. Maybe she would hide in Ferelden a bit but only if she could do so very covertly and not bring wrath down on Ferelden in the process. Since my Hawke isn't a mage herself, I figure she'd be in a good place to garner support from non-mages. Mostly, I would think Hawke would keep Anders out of the picture as much as possible. He's clearly a divisive figure and so his appearance might sometimes do more harm than good. He'd still have to work and fight to make things better, but more behind the scenes.

[Souris]

Kolotosa wrote...

Mxcl wrote...

<snip stuff about Rivalry romance> 

I know what you mean. I wanted to try it because I was curious and had seen clips on youtube that piqued my curiosity, but it was so much more terrible than I anticipated, and I haven't been able to complete that game yet because it just felt so...wrong. By Act 3 I got the impression that the only thing holding this fractured semblance of a relationship together was selfish, animal attraction and twisted co-dependence.


If the Friendmance between Hawke and Anders is like a Shakespearian tragedy, then the Rivalry romance is like an Eminem video.



Edit: Oh noes, new page! D:  Here, take that!

*snip.*

I'm on a boat! 

That comparison is perfect. I haven't been able to do a rivalmance yet, because I just can't bring myself to be mean to him. I might..someday.

[Stinkface27]

I'm really curious about the rival romance now, and you guys say there are YouTube videos! Any links? Please?

[LastFadingSmile]

Stinkface27 wrote...

I'm really curious about the rival romance now, and you guys say there are YouTube videos! Any links? Please?

Here's a playlist of 9 or so Male Hawke Rival romance videos. Maybe you can get the idea without having to do it yourself, 'cause it's rough. XD

[Lady Jess]

Sarah1281 wrote...

You wouldn't even have the estate, would you?

Maybe not but I think that would be a case of lack of interest/awareness than anything else. For all Leandra petitions the viscount for the estate...it was legally sold. Leandra also says that the house is owned by Hawke and if the viscount gave it back to her then that wouldn't be the case. Hawke buys the estate back. Without Leandra, maybe they wouldn't have been so keen on getting that particular estate but they still would have had a nice mansion in Hightown.

Gamlen says you have to be someone important and rich to petition the Viscount for place like that. I don't know what Mom was doing, but Hawke is the one that gets it back after the expidition. It's no longer called the "amell estate" it's the "Hawke Estate". And at one point Leandra says her childhood hokme is now owned by her child.

We finally get a character with a house instead of a tent and we end up disappearing again that just sucks. Just once can we not VANISH??

[Stinkface27]

Kolotosa wrote...

Stinkface27 wrote...

I'm really curious about the rival romance now, and you guys say there are YouTube videos! Any links? Please?

Here's a playlist of 9 or so Male Hawke Rival romance videos. Maybe you can get the idea without having to do it yourself, 'cause it's rough. XD

Thanks so much! And yes, you're exactly right, I doubt I could do this myself.

[Raiil]

I imagine my Hawke booked it to her house, gathered her servant, and then went to Gamlen, gave him a decent pot of gold for him and Mara, and told him to get the hell out of Dodge, because Kirkwall was about to become massively unsafe for any remaining Amells.


Since Isbela up and left me, my Hawke gathered her companions, any spare mages she found who were willing, and boarded a ship by bribing the captain and telling them that Kirkwall was becoming rather unhealthy, and taken the boat to the nearest Ferelden port.


Afterwards, I think she would have given Aveline and Donnic a lot of gold, and asked one last favour of Aveline- to deliver a letter to King Alistair, and to deliver one to her cousin, the Chancellor Amell. The letters would explain what happened, and the note would come with some verbal explaination about what happened to Anders going bonkers. Amell goes to punch Warden Commander Fayle shortly thereafter. This allows Alistair and Amell time to figure out if and how they're going to accomodate extra mage refugees and gives them a heads up that Kinloch Hold may be primed to explode. My Hawke took to Alistair, and so this gives them a leg up over other countries.

Afterwards, I see them trailing mages who are off to tell the towers to fight for their freedom, and they aid the mages and any innocent passerby. Varric stays with them for a time, until Hawke gives him some cash and tells him to stay put and rebuild his resources.

[Sarah1281]

I imagine her, after that final scene, ordering Isabela to steal a ship from the Gallows Harbour and get it over to the town, so she and the rest of them can take advantage of the chaos in Kirkwall to go back to base, get some very basic supplies and money, and get the hell out of town before the sun goes down.

If Isabela is still with you, doesn't she already have a ship? Or did you not do her Act 3 quest?

Aveline will be left behind to salvage what she can of her life. Hopefully, because Cullen let them escape, she can at least gather Donnic and have *something*.

Aveline does mention in Act 3 that Alistair offered to reinstate her commission, right? She turned down the offer then but I'm sure it will come in handy now.

I know what you mean. I wanted to try it because I was curious and had seen clips on youtube that piqued my curiosity, but it was so much more terrible than I anticipated, and I haven't been able to complete that game yet because it just felt so...wrong. By Act 3 I got the impression that the only thing holding this fractured semblance of a relationship together was selfish, animal attraction and twisted co-dependence.

I didn't see it as that bad. Regardless of how you come to get rivalry with Anders, from the dialogue it seems like you don't have a problem with Circles but you can tell him that you agree with his cause but not his methods which would also cause friction. It doesn't mean that they hate each other or anything like that and my Hawke would definitely not stick around for mere animal attraction or co-dependency given how difficult the relationship ALWAYS is even if you're the world's biggest supporter of mage rights and thinks merging with Justice was the best idea Anders ever had.

It's important to note that even in the friendmance, Anders most important loyalty is to his cause. He might not feel the need to mention it but it's just as true as ever. His 'there isn't anyone in Kirkwall I wouldn't kill to free the mages' line creeps me out but I think it's a safe bet that if he thought that friendmanced Hawke had to die for the good of the mages he'd go after her just as surely as with rivalmanced Hawke. He still asks Hawke to help him create his bomb and then distract the GC while planting it. Even if Hawke would agree and even if she secretly knew he was up to something along those lines, he still went into it with the intention of making her an unknowing accomplice and then keeping her in the dark.

[Threeparts]

Oh, yes, Starkhaven! Good point, I totally forgot about Grace and all that. Good for them!
Since Wynne and Ines were headed to Cumberland for a mage summit, I'd imagine there's an important Circle there, so it may be the next place to go to contact the supportive fraternities. If there's another in the Nevarran capital itself, that might be next. I think my character would stay away from Ferelden for the moment, since that's probably where everyone would expect her to go. Her ultimate aim would be to march on Orlais and the Divine itself, but that would be several years away.

I hadn't thought about what my Warden would think about it, and I honestly can't remember which one I imported. If it was my Cousland, and she and Anders still had some contact, I imagine she'd be having a quiet chat to her husband, warning him that he might want to use his royal authority to help the mages in the Circle tower there before they start rioting too. I like to think that she's long-since demanded that Anders' phylactery be destroyed after he helped defend Vigil's Keep, but she'd be making sure of it now.
If it was my Tabris, I imagine she'd whine to Zevran to use his contacts to help Anders out as much as possible, and would be very eager to run off and fight beside her favourite mage and the hot new girlfriend she's heard he has. She's very much the elven counterpart to my canon Hawke, though slightly more impulsive and blood-thirsty, and I imagine they'd get on like a house on fire: it's very likely there would be no survivors.

Modifié par Threeparts, 23 mars 2011 - 03:39 .

[Threeparts]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I imagine her, after that final scene, ordering Isabela to steal a ship from the Gallows Harbour and get it over to the town, so she and the rest of them can take advantage of the chaos in Kirkwall to go back to base, get some very basic supplies and money, and get the hell out of town before the sun goes down.

If Isabela is still with you, doesn't she already have a ship? Or did you not do her Act 3 quest?

Did the quest, but killed Castillon for being a slaver. No ship for Izzy!

[YamiSnuffles]

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[Sarah1281]

Threeparts wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

I imagine her, after that final scene, ordering Isabela to steal a ship from the Gallows Harbour and get it over to the town, so she and the rest of them can take advantage of the chaos in Kirkwall to go back to base, get some very basic supplies and money, and get the hell out of town before the sun goes down.

If Isabela is still with you, doesn't she already have a ship? Or did you not do her Act 3 quest?

Did the quest, but killed Castillon for being a slaver. No ship for Izzy!

And she doesn't get the ship anyway since he's dead? Isabela's dialogue when I asked why not kill him didn't mention anything about that but then - against my better judgement - I did let him live so...

[Souris]

I'll just leave this here, courtesy of electrickalgypsy

[Stinkface27]

@Threeparts - is it too late to submit songs to that playlist you have in your sig? After finishing the game today, I think this song fits the best for my Hawke's relationship with Anders...

http://listen.groove...rt/2w2zhQ?src=5

[Threeparts]

Sarah1281 wrote...

And she doesn't get the ship anyway since he's dead? Isabela's dialogue when I asked why not kill him didn't mention anything about that but then - against my better judgement - I did let him live so...

Nope, there's a conversation back at The Hanged Man where she moans about being stuck in Kirkwall, but at least she knows Hawke will be fun, or something like that. It's been a while. 

[LastFadingSmile]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I didn't see it as that bad. Regardless of how you come to get rivalry with Anders, from the dialogue it seems like you don't have a problem with Circles but you can tell him that you agree with his cause but not his methods which would also cause friction. It doesn't mean that they hate each other or anything like that and my Hawke would definitely not stick around for mere animal attraction or co-dependency given how difficult the relationship ALWAYS is even if you're the world's biggest supporter of mage rights and thinks merging with Justice was the best idea Anders ever had.

 

I know what you're saying, and rationally, you're probably right. I was speaking more from what I was feeling as I watched the whole thing unfold. I started the character in question specifically because I wanted to see the rivalry romance path with Anders and how it played out, so maybe that's the problem; I wasn't as invested in her from a story perspective so much as an experimental standpoint.

She was a mage as well, which added an extra dimension of tension between the two. There are finite conversations you can have with any of the characters in-game, and in the Rivalry romance path, during at least 3 of them Anders makes some off-handed comment that involves killing you.  By the time Act 3 rolled around, I personally just could see no good reason why these two people would stay together when they seemed to have zero common ground between them, unless there was some utterly base and selfish attraction. It felt angry, dirty and cheap, and like I could have picked up something healthier from the Blooming Rose.

[Threeparts]

Stinkface27 wrote...

@Threeparts - is it too late to submit songs to that playlist you have in your sig? After finishing the game today, I think this song fits the best for my Hawke's relationship with Anders...

http://listen.groove...rt/2w2zhQ?src=5

Never too late! Added, and thanks for the suggestion!

[Akrim_Drak]

LE SIIIIIGH! Ugh. So I've been trying to get the romance scene with a bit less clothing. (I play as male Hawkes but I'll try to get it to work with ladies too eventually)

I'm no technical genius. I downloaded a few different mods and they weren't working how I wanted them to(underwear in the house) until today magically. Anyway now I gotta figure out how to do it with Anders without using someone elses save files. Been combing over the data and stuff and still cannot figure it out. Here's some pics though. Sorry it's more Hawke than Anders. 

Modifié par Akrim_Drak, 23 mars 2011 - 03:54 .

[Sarah1281]

@Kolotosa: I didn't take the 'I don't know whether to kiss you or kill you' line literally (it felt more like a 'you drive me crazy but I still like you' sort of thing) but I did believe his 'there isn't anyone in Kirkwall I wouldn't kill for this.' What's his other one?

Still, creepy as it is I'd rather know where I stand then have Anders be fully prepared to kill anyone - even you - should you get in his way and be unaware of this. Even if you support mage right and his cause, one day he could cross some sort of line with his methods (if not with the Chantry then at some point in the future) and you'll have to oppose him. Better to know he'd be willing to kill you NOW than when he starts attacking you over it.

[silver-crescent]

Sarah1281 wrote...

@Kolotosa: I didn't take the 'I don't know whether to kiss you or kill you' line literally (it felt more like a 'you drive me crazy but I still like you' sort of thing) but I did believe his 'there isn't anyone in Kirkwall I wouldn't kill for this.' What's his other one?

Still, creepy as it is I'd rather know where I stand then have Anders be fully prepared to kill anyone - even you - should you get in his way and be unaware of this. Even if you support mage right and his cause, one day he could cross some sort of line with his methods (if not with the Chantry then at some point in the future) and you'll have to oppose him. Better to know he'd be willing to kill you NOW than when he starts attacking you over it.

But I doubt in a friendship romance Anders would even think of such things. Because if Hawke is with him and is also pro-mage, why should he have to worry?

[Ryzaki]

Oh look the divide between rivalry mance and friendship mance is starting.

Please let's not try to slam on one vs the other people. Not saying anyone has let's just not start.

I personally like the rivalry mance and my Hawkes love Anders. It doesn't have to be horrible just because you disagree with someone.

[Sarah1281]

But I doubt in a friendship romance Anders would even think of such things. Because if Hawke is with him and is also pro-mage, why should he have to worry?

Well, he fully expects Hawke to kill him at the end for blowing up the Chantry so at least as early as his getting the idea to blow up the Chantry he's worrying. I also think that Anders has a 'I will do whatever it takes and kill whoever I have to to free the mages' mentality before you even meet him. Maybe he doesn't specifically think 'I sure hope Hawke doesn't end up being one of those people I have to kill' but that doesn't change the fact that he would if he thought it was necessary.

But again, I would rather be aware of any circumstances that would lead a friend or lover to trying to kill me than be taken by surprise one day when I'm not radical enough for him.

[LastFadingSmile]

Sarah1281 wrote...

@Kolotosa: I didn't take the 'I don't know whether to kiss you or kill you' line literally (it felt more like a 'you drive me crazy but I still like you' sort of thing) but I did believe his 'there isn't anyone in Kirkwall I wouldn't kill for this.' What's his other one?

Still, creepy as it is I'd rather know where I stand then have Anders be fully prepared to kill anyone - even you - should you get in his way and be unaware of this. Even if you support mage right and his cause, one day he could cross some sort of line with his methods (if not with the Chantry then at some point in the future) and you'll have to oppose him. Better to know he'd be willing to kill you NOW than when he starts attacking you over it.

There's also a line that's something like "Can you say nothing without me wanting to wring your neck?"

Ordinarily I'd agree that it's just kind of inocuous comments borne of frustration, but it's knowing that his cause IS more important than anything else that gave them a more sinister edge to me. Not to mention all the warnings you get throughout, from Anders himself, from other companions, that maybe a relationship with the unstable possessed mage could end badly... With all of that, it left a very sour taste, which is really a credit to the writing. That the two romance paths could leave me, similarly,  with utterly divergent sets of emotions and opinions about Hawke and her shenanigans, is awesome.


Suffice it to say, I infintiely prefer and will continue to persue the Friendship path wherever possible and just save myself the creepy heartache. 

Modifié par Kolotosa, 23 mars 2011 - 04:13 .