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[Arquen]

My Hawke didn't OWN that many panties I don't think. I mean... maybe in act 2, but she wasn't really a fashionista, LMAO.

As for Fenris banters... muahaha. I know something about that.

Anders: So, there must be mages in Tevinter that don't use blood magic.

Fenris: Of course. There are slaves. The magisters do not hesitate to collar their own kind.

Anders: But no magisters?

Fenris: Why must you go on about this? No magister would turn down an advantage over his rivals. If he did, he'd be dead.

Anders: You know, to use blood magic you must look a demon in the eye and accept his offer.
Anders: I just figured some of them would say no. For aesthetic reasons, if nothing else.

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Fenris: You should have lived in Tevinter. You'd be happier there.

Anders: You're probably right.

Fenris: There, your magic would be a mark of honor. Apprenticed to the right Magister, you would do well.

Anders: Is there a down side?

Fenris: Only if you're bothered by owning a few slaves and performing the occasional blood ritual.

Anders: So they all do those things?

Fenris: Just the ones who don't complain about how powerless and persecuted they are.

They also go into it a little bit in some cutscenes, but it really doesn't focus on Tevinter but more the mage freedom issue in general.

When Anders mentions about the books and the rituals Fenris just says "Of course you were..." sarcastically to Anders after he states he has been reading them. Then Anders goes on to say he is sure there is no blood magic involved in this ritual. When given the amulet he states it is heresy to wear the thing, but Tevinter is literally the only place in the world where mages are respected and freed, not just feared (though they are also feared in Tevinter). I don't think Anders supports magisters really. I think he detests what they represent. In the same way he dislikes Merrill, because they make mages out to be something he is against. They prove to everyone that mages are what they say they are, and that they are only meant to be feared and locked away for safety to the "normal" people.

To Tarohne (the crazy blood mage who was possessing recruits) he says.. [paraphrase] "You people give all mages a bad name." (Sorry my Anders dialogue is not as good as my Fenris, LOL) He also says similar to other blood mages. The Starkhaven mages in particular come to mind. I think Anders truly believes half of these mages are desperate fools, but they are simply continuing the cycle and adding to the status quo instead of changing it.

As for handing Fenris over to Danarius and his practical glee about it... well yeah.. that has been brought up many times, LOL. It degenerates into either a.) Anders is a hypocrit and a rebel and is a bit insane by act 3 or 2.) Fenris would do the same which leads to a lot of Fenris bashing. or 3.) mixture of both with a "meh that's just Anders being Anders" thrown up in there.

Edit for unprepared TOP:

by mizuk0 on DA

Modifié par Arquen, 25 août 2011 - 11:39 .

[Nilfalasiel]

Lol @ the panty collection

Arquen wrote...

As for handing Fenris over to Danarius and his practical glee about it... well yeah.. that has been brought up many times, LOL. It degenerates into either a.) Anders is a hypocrit and a rebel and is a bit insane by act 3 or 2.) Fenris would do the same which leads to a lot of Fenris bashing. or 3.) mixture of both with a "meh" that's just Anders being Anders thrown up in there.

That decision doesn't really make Hawke look any better, to be fair...Are there even any practical reasons for handing Puppy Eyes over?

[Heidenreich]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Haradmir wrote...

ReiSilver wrote...

Pris81 wrote...

LT123 wrote...

@Pris81: I suspect Anders is so focused on the Circle mages' plight in the rest of Thedas that he doesn't even think about Tevinter. When Hawke gives him the Chantry amulet, he says something about never thinking about what it was like for mages there. Does he have any banters with Fenris about it? I'd be surprised if he doesn't.

Hmm I think there are. And looks like that's the most important (and not for that less silly) reason for Fenris to hate Anders and vice versa.

Unfortunatelly I can't remember any banter without Spanglish miswritting it.

I think they have one banter specifically about Tevinter mages, where Fenris is saying if Anders apprenticed to the right magister he would do well. Anders asks if there's a downside and Fenris tells him only if he has a problem with blood rituals. Anders kind of incredulously asks "So they all do that?"

I want to say Anders wouldn't approve of magisters, and certainly doesn't in the early acts, but by act three he thinks it's a fine thing to sell a companion out to one. And there's no denying that Tevinter has records and access to magic that the rest of Thedas doesn't, Wynne takes Shale there to see if there's a way to make her a dwarf again and I'm curious if we'll learn more in the next novel since Wynne is going to be in it.

This has probably been discussed before, but....

Why does he approve so readily, and treat it with amusement, when you hand Fenris over to Danarius? Is he just being a petty jerk, or is he at a point where he sees Fenris as someone who actively stands against him and the cause, against Justice, and therefore deserves being sold back into slavery? Although Fenris doesn't agree with Anders on the mage-templar issue, he hasn't actively worked against him or even acted on his opinions on that problem at that point in the game....

Its an all to common trait of rebels, and revoluntaries to view ANYONE who does not stand with them, as the enemy. 
Fenris clearly does not stand with him, so he is an enemy.

Anders and other rebels draw the world into us and them very easily.
Which is a VERY bad thing. 

Mmm this topc gets debated when ever we bring up Fenders, actually. Basically, Ander and Fenris hate each other. That being said, Anders is the type of guy who does things in extremes. He either hates you, or he loves you. Where a Rival Hawke clearly cares enough to enduce the love feeling with in him, Fenris does not. Thus, it is out right hate.

In the early acts, when he is less... crazy.. he tries to help Fenris see "reason", arguing with him that Mages are people too etc. Fenris doesn't agree, at least not in the way Anders wants him to. Fenris believes that what the chantry/templars do is a "better then nothing" solution. Fenris doesn't believe that granting Mages freedom with out someone to protect the world from them.

After 7 years of knowing that Fenris wasn't going to change his mind, he decides to write him off completely. He puts up with Fenris because of Hawke, but he'd sooner never see the man again if it were too soon. So, when Denarius comes back, if Hawke is willing to ship him off, then he sees no point in hiding his glee of being rid of someone who he hates. On top of which, for Anders, its a little bit of poetic justice. The slave who hates slavery but doesn't hate mages being imprisoned, gets sent back to be a slave.

It doesn't make him a bad guy, really. It just makes him someone who dislikes someone enough to not be broken up over them going away. :P

[Arquen]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

That decision doesn't really make Hawke look any better, to be fair...Are there even any practical reasons for handing Puppy Eyes over?

Not a damn one. Danarius is an **** cheapskate and gives you like 5 sovereigns. You can kill him and get more from loot than THAT! The only reason to do it is because you are a sadistic person who hates Fenris enough to want to watch him suffer a fate worse than death. Like handing Izzy over to the Arishok. Except that arguably has MORE practicality because then you avoid the whole Arishok fight.

(that took all of my Fenris fan strength not to be all "NO DON'T DO IT!!!" Then I remember *AndersThreadAndersThreadAndersThread* and I try to stay on point.)

Heidren you HAD to bring up Fenders.. you know what that means . LOL. The two topics do seem to go hand in hand though. Mostly because that scene with Danarius is often used to prove the level of hate between the two.

I really don't think it makes Anders a bad person. It doesn't win him any points. It makes me rage at him and want to yell "who is the bloody hypocrit NOW!?" at him, lol. It isn't like because he makes that comment in some alternate game I will never see I am going to judge everything he says or does before and after based on it. Anders can be a fool sometimes. He basically *opens mouth.. inserts foot,* and I just go "REALLY Anders... your going to be that guy?"

So yeah I'm somewhere between Anders is a hypocrit at times and "meh that's just Anders being Anders." Still.. wins no points for him. <_<

[Nilfalasiel]

Arquen wrote...

Not a damn one. Danarius is an **** cheapskate and gives you like 5 sovereigns. You can kill him and get more from loot than THAT! The only reason to do it is because you are a sadistic person who hates Fenris enough to want to watch him suffer a fate worse than death. Like handing Izzy over to the Arishok. Except that arguably has MORE practicality because then you avoid the whole Arishok fight.

(that took all of my Fenris fan strength not to be all "NO DON'T DO IT!!!" Then I remember *AndersThreadAndersThreadAndersThread* and I try to stay on point.)

No worries, I'd never do it. Not only would it be a horrible thing to do to anyone, but I like Fen as well. Broody + sexy = win 

I really don't think it makes Anders a bad person. It doesn't win him any points. It makes me rage at him and want to yell "who is the bloody hypocrit NOW!?" at him, lol. It isn't like because he makes that comment in some alternate game I will never see I am going to judge everything he says or does before and after based on it. Anders can be a fool sometimes. He basically *opens mouth.. inserts foot,* and I just go "REALLY Anders... your going to be that guy?"

True that.

I remember when this was last brought up, it was mentioned that none of the companions really disapprove all that much, and Izzie flat-out doesn't care. It's a bit sad, really...Fair enough, Anders is the only one who gloats, but still.

[Pris81]

Hehe, I was just wondering when would Arquen pop up... No, lie: I was sleeping.

Arquen wrote...

*skip dialogues*

I remembered the 2nd dialogue, but not enough to transcribe it and too lazy to ask Mr. Google...
I definitely stand for Fenris about this, even if he's being too full of hate (and reasons are too stubborn) for me to completely understand. Well, the Anders vs Fenris thing has been brought up [off-topic note: thank you all for the English lessons, I didn't know about that phrasal verb ]. And I'd rather end it up the way someone awesomely described in this thread: Hawke dragging the both of them into a room, telling each one why they are wrong about these thoughts that make them hate each other and forcing a handshake, that would be impossible to happen but nice to dream about. If only I had copied&pasted the whole post in my hard disk...

Arquen wrote...

They also go into it a little bit in some cutscenes, but it really doesn't focus on Tevinter but more the mage freedom issue in general.

When Anders mentions about the books and the rituals Fenris just says "Of course you were..." sarcastically to Anders after he states he has been reading them. Then Anders goes on to say he is sure there is no blood magic involved in this ritual. When given the amulet he states it is heresy to wear the thing, but Tevinter is literally the only place in the world where mages are respected and freed, not just feared (though they are also feared in Tevinter). I don't think Anders supports magisters really. I think he detests what they represent. In the same way he dislikes Merrill, because they make mages out to be something he is against. They prove to everyone that mages are what they say they are, and that they are only meant to be feared and locked away for safety to the "normal" people.

To Tarohne (the crazy blood mage who was possessing recruits) he says.. [paraphrase] "You people give all mages a bad name." (Sorry my Anders dialogue is not as good as my Fenris, LOL) He also says similar to other blood mages. The Starkhaven mages in particular come to mind. I think Anders truly believes half of these mages are desperate fools, but they are simply continuing the cycle and adding to the status quo instead of changing it.

That helps. A lot.

It was in some moment close to ending Legacy when I started seriously wondering what was Anders' position about Tevinter magisters, since he doesn't want to believe the story about Golden City/Black City. Still a little contradictory, but I guess that his reasons are only not believing anything coming from the Chantry, more than any sympathy for magisters.

Arquen wrote...

As for handing Fenris over to Danarius and his practical glee about it... well yeah.. that has been brought up many times, LOL. It degenerates into either a.) Anders is a hypocrit and a rebel and is a bit insane by act 3 or 2.) Fenris would do the same which leads to a lot of Fenris bashing. or 3.) mixture of both with a "meh" that's just Anders being Anders thrown up in there.

*skips amazing pic*

Definitely 3, with the usual "yes, but he's lovely :wub:" added by me. xD

And no: friendship points with Anders is not a reason to handing Fenris to Danarius. Well, newbie-ish question answered, sorry to bring up an over-discussed topic. *Waves hand and silently steps off*

Modifié par Pris81, 25 août 2011 - 12:29 .

[berelinde]

Arquen wrote...
I really don't think it makes Anders a bad person. It doesn't win him any points. It makes me rage at him and want to yell "who is the bloody hypocrit NOW!?" at him, lol. It isn't like because he makes that comment in some alternate game I will never see I am going to judge everything he says or does before and after based on it. Anders can be a fool sometimes. He basically *opens mouth.. inserts foot,* and I just go "REALLY Anders... your going to be that guy?"

Yeah, he's that guy. It isn't Fenris-specific. Yes, I'm thinking of the "Let's hope we find more than a bag of bones this time." People are what they are, and you can accept them or not. My Hawkes take him as he is.

As for the Danarius thing, I'm not exactly a big Fenris fan (no hatred, just not a fan), but I'll never see that line in game. So as far as I'm concerned, that line doesn't exist. Because, if you're seeing it, who's the bigger pr1ck, Anders or your PC?

Granted, if Fenris consented to turning in Anders and Merrilll to the templars, Fenris would find himself on the first boat back to Tevinter, but Fenris does not agree, so why would my character sell him out?

So yeah I'm somewhere between Anders is a hypocrit at times and "meh that's just Anders being Anders." Still.. wins no points for him. <_<

Psst! They're both hypocrits. And they're both "Anders/Fenris being Anders/Fenris." And sometimes the other way around. Neither of them is a shining example of social graces by that point.

Mostly, it comes down ot how much you like the character. Players/readers will forgive just about anything if they like the character. f they don't, however, the slightest faux pas equates to a -500 approval. And I'm talking about the DA;O approval thing here, not the DA2 one. Case in point: Leliana is not a character I have ever enjoyed. There is nothing I like about her, not even her skill set. I have literally sat there chewing out the computer screen whenever she said anything particularly insipid. I understand this is irrational. It's just that initial ambivalence turned into dislike, which turned into violent hatred. So yeah, I do understand the [insert NPC here] hate, even when it's a character I like.

TL;DR: When a character we like does something screwed up, we say "It's just NPC being NPC." When a character we don't like does something screwed up, we tear them to shreds.

[Heidenreich]

You all ignored my post!
HERE let me requote myself...

Emphisis on the BOLDED BIT.

After 7 years of knowing that Fenris wasn't going to change his mind, he decides to write him off completely. He puts up with Fenris because of Hawke, but he'd sooner never see the man again if it were too soon. So, when Denarius comes back, if Hawke is willing to ship him off, then he sees no point in hiding his glee of being rid of someone who he hates. On top of which, for Anders, its a little bit of poetic justice. The slave who hates slavery but doesn't hate mages being imprisoned, gets sent back to be a slave.

Anders Isn't normally that kind of a jerk. Its only if Hawke is willing to hand Fenris back is Anders that much of a jerk. Thus, Hawke must also be that much of a jerk.

Aka: If your Hawke is a dick who gives Fenris to Denarius, then that particular incarnation of Anders is also dick enough to enjoy it. On top of which, he just doesn't like Fenris by act 3. and by doesn't like, I mean wouldn't cry if he died and probably wouldn't heal him unless Hawke asked ;p

[berelinde]

Heidenreich wrote...

You all ignored my post!
HERE let me requote myself...

Whoops! That happens a lot on the forums. No offense intended!

But yeah, looks like we're on the same page with that.

Actually, I don't object to the whole "Get rid of your companions" thing for any of the NPCs. I wish we had the option to do it for all of them, in fact, because it allows for greater player agency. Back in the old days, you could tell Minsc to take a hike and he would (Not that I ever would! Just saying). Now, the best we can do is leave Velanna in camp (Apologies to Velanna fans). I understand that they're trying to make characters integral to the plot and all, but what if you really, really don't like Varric, for example. OK, I get it, he's telling the story. He's also made of awesome and I don't know why anybody would not want him installed in their frickin' bedroom, but in theory, there are people out there that want to fit him with concrete galoshes and tip him over the side of a bridge.

[Arquen]

Rabid, unjustified hate will always exist in anything and everything media related. Books, movies, television, video games, etc. etc.

People who are going to hate a character are going to do it regardless. As for PC Hawke in that scene... Yes, they are a sadistic kind of person who hate Fenris enough to want to see him suffer a fate worse than death.

I can't understand baseless hate. Agitation, annoyance, dislike, yes. Unfortunately, in a game our aggression can be turned on the character and so we become these horrible people going "ohoho.. EAT that [insert name of hated NPC here]!! DIAF!"

I completely agree berelinde. The people who hate Anders already ultimately use this dialogue as ammo to hate him more. Or to judge him more harshly based on it. Yet I can't sit here and try to justify the statement. It is rather inexcusable. Regardless of your Hawke being a douche.. there isn't really any denial that it is a douche thing for Anders to do and say.

I think the only companions you have to keep around are Varric and Aveline. Anders arguably because you can't really get him to leave before the final act showdown. I think everyone else has a point where you don't have to recruit them or can have them leave the party. However, there is no "Get out!" button like in DA:O, LOL. Though I really don't mind that.

As said I'm not going to judge Anders based on this one banter I will never see in my games. I'm not going to sit here and argue Fenris vs. Anders and who is the biggest hypocrit either lol. Been down that road. Just suffice to say that it definitely does Anders no favors in that he is the only companion to actually speak up for doing it while everyone else is either meh or just plain "NO!"

Also, @Pris -- calling me out on my unhealthy habit of lurking about on these forums made me go "crap.. I've been found out!" Then I just said .. "oh screw it.. who am I kidding. I AM on these forums way more than is healthy."

[tuffet37]

I know if you let Anders kill Ella you have the option to tell Anders to leave, I wonder if that makes the dialogue at the end different. I mean he isn't your companion anymore since you told him to take a hike. Has anyone tried it?

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

ashyraine wrote...

For those not in on the tumblr shenanigans I will just drop this little dose of crack here:

I re-enter the forums and see that utterly glorious picture. Not since Fab-Anders have I seen such wonders. 

Anyway.
I personally find Anders reaction to Fenris being sold back to Denarius depressing, because I remember when Justice used to complain about slavery in every single one of it's forms 24/7 (OK, I exaggurate), so it just shows how he's changed.

I agree that **** Hawke is a good explanation for Ander's reaction.

It kind of reminds me of tricking Morrigan, and Alistair's reaction. (Except Alistair made me laugh, and Anders made me cry a little.)

I miss having a selection of companions to choose from and occasionally watching them try to kill each other. It makes the game more fun to replay.
You can go through DA2 without recruiting Izzy, Sebastian or Fenris and you can kill Carver/Bethany, but that's about it.

In DA:Awakening I remember you could choose not to recruit some of the companions.

[ReiSilver]

It still seems weird for me that Anders outright hates Fenris in a DIAF way by Act 3 given the Legacy dialogue that reveals that they have played cards together and he seemed more resigned then spiteful when he says that "I'll still be paying him back when I'm dead." I mean they certainly press each others buttons but they do have the occasional civil dialogue

though that said...

Anders: Ha Ha! Now I'll never have to pay him back, score!

*slaps self*

[Nilfalasiel]

berelinde wrote...

Actually, I don't object to the whole "Get rid of your companions" thing for any of the NPCs. I wish we had the option to do it for all of them, in fact, because it allows for greater player agency. Back in the old days, you could tell Minsc to take a hike and he would (Not that I ever would! Just saying). Now, the best we can do is leave Velanna in camp (Apologies to Velanna fans). I understand that they're trying to make characters integral to the plot and all, but what if you really, really don't like Varric, for example. OK, I get it, he's telling the story. He's also made of awesome and I don't know why anybody would not want him installed in their frickin' bedroom, but in theory, there are people out there that want to fit him with concrete galoshes and tip him over the side of a bridge.

Well, to be fair, I prefer the flexibility in the current games. I may REALLY dislike Velanna and Leliana, but that doesn't mean that I'm not at least mildly curious about their background, if only to figure out why they are the way they are. Besides, you can kill both of them off (just leave Velanna in Vigil's Keep before going after the Architect; same for Sigrun)...And Wynne. And Shale. And Zevran. You can avoid rescuing the dog. You can leave Sten in Lothering. You can feed Alistair to the Archdemon. You can execute Nate or tell him to walk. You can hand Anders over to the Templars. In DAO, you can simply tell some people to leave after you've recruited them, if you don't want to get violent (can't remember if it's there in Awakening). There's an option for Zevran, Leliana, Morrigan, Oghren and Sten, at least. I don't know how it goes, because I've never tried it out, but it is there. Besides, don't they leave on their own if you hit -100 approval?

Whereas in BG, you had resctrictions as to whom you could keep in your party. Not only did vanilla BG1 basically force you to recruit people you met early on because of exp restrictions, some characters were forced pairs (eg. Minsc and Dynaheir), some would leave if you took too long to help them, and others left if you tried to replace them after doing their personal quests, even if you didn't offend them. I've had Xan and Branwen call me names and leave when I tried changing my party, even though there was no morality conflict involved, since they were both neutral. Morality conflict also meant there was no point in even recruiting some characters, and that others actually physically fought each other. What if I'm curious about Viconia's motives, but don't want Keldorn to make drow sushi out of her? At least, Morrigan and Alistair, or Fenris and Anders may hate each other's guts, but they won't come to blows over it.

Oh, and one more thing:

He's also made of awesome and I don't know why anybody would not want him installed in their frickin' bedroom

Where can I sign up for that?

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 25 août 2011 - 03:00 .

[Mekarah]

berelinde wrote...

I understand that they're trying to make characters integral to the plot and all, but what if you really, really don't like Varric, for example. OK, I get it, he's telling the story. He's also made of awesome and I don't know why anybody would not want him installed in their frickin' bedroom, but in theory, there are people out there that want to fit him with concrete galoshes and tip him over the side of a bridge.

Who...what...I don't... I want to meet these people, just to study them and see why.

I definitely get the appeal of characters that are a little more...loseable (it's a word now because I say it is). It would definitely be better in an RP sense - why would I take around or keep around someone I hate, especially in DA2? In DAO it was more likely because you'll all uniting against a common enemy. That's not happening here - if I hate all mages, I shouldn't have to deal with Anders and Merrill. I don't actually need them for anything past their initial quests.

But I also get that this isn't a life simulator, it's a story, so if they think I have to have someone around, well, it's their story. To be fair, though, I've never really had a companion in a DA game I've hated so severely that I couldn't at least tolerate their presence. Or just left them behind all of the time. 

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

ReiSilver wrote...

It still seems weird for me that Anders outright hates Fenris in a DIAF way by Act 3 given the Legacy dialogue that reveals that they have played cards together and he seemed more resigned then spiteful when he says that "I'll still be paying him back when I'm dead." I mean they certainly press each others buttons but they do have the occasional civil dialogue

though that said...

Anders: Ha Ha! Now I'll never have to pay him back, score!

*slaps self*

...maybe they have some strange like-hate relationship? maybe it's sexual tension
Or maybe they vent their animosity through cards? Everybody plays cards with Izzy, nobody wins.

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Well, to be fair, I prefer the flexibility in the current games. I may REALLY dislike Velanna and Leliana, but that doesn't mean that I'm not at least mildly curious about their background, if only to figure out why they are the way they are. Besides, you can kill both of them off (just leave Velanna in Vigil's Keep before going after the Architect; same for Sigrun)...And Wynne. And Shale. And Zevran. You can avoid rescuing the dog. You can leave Sten in Lothering. You can feed Alistair to the Archdemon. You can execute Nate or tell him to walk. You can hand Anders over to the Templars. In DAO, you can simply tell some people to leave after you've recruited them, if you don't want to get violent (can't remember if it's there in Awakening). There's an option for Zevran, Leliana, Morrigan, Oghren and Sten, at least. I don't know how it goes, because I've never tried it out, but it is there. Besides, don't they leave on their own if you hit -100 approval?

I think they do, or before that. I know that in NWN2 MotB the companions would leave if their influence got too low (though I only got that with Kaelyn)

Whereas in BG, you had resctrictions as to whom you could keep in your party. Not only did vanilla BG1 basically force you to recruit people you met early on because of exp restrictions, some characters were forced pairs (eg. Minsc and Dynaheir), and others simply left if you tried to replace them after doing their personal quests, even if you didn't offend them. I've had Xan and Branwen call me names and leave when I tried changing my party, even though there was no morality conflict involved, since they were both neutral. Morality conflict also meant there was no point in even recruiting some characters, and that others actually physically fought each other. What if I'm curious about Viconia's motives, but don't want Keldorn to make drow sushi out of her? At least, Morrigan and Alistair, or Fenris and Anders may hate each other's guts, but they won't come to blows over it.

1) Xan, much as I love him, is a spineless whiny little git.

2) Keldorn's treatment of Viconia was far too black and white for my liking. ¬¬
Also Morrigan is too sophisticated/haughty and Alistair is too much of a nice guy to attack her (but I do love gossiping with him XD). Fenris and Anders know who's in charge (and Anders is the only healer in the game so...)

Oh, and one more thing:

He's also made of awesome and I don't know why anybody would not want him installed in their frickin' bedroom

Where can I sign up for that? 

Agreed.
DO WANT NOW.<3

[FieryDove]

Arquen wrote...

Not a damn one. Danarius is an **** cheapskate and gives you like 5 sovereigns. You can kill him and get more from loot than THAT! The only reason to do it is because you are a sadistic person who hates Fenris enough to want to watch him suffer a fate worse than death. Like handing Izzy over to the Arishok. Except that arguably has MORE practicality because then you avoid the whole Arishok fight.

I liked the Arishok...Danarius deserved to get squished.

Anders and Fenris did not get along at all so I could see both gleefully going along with Hawke trading one or the other over at any given time.

[Sialater]

Heidenreich wrote...

You all ignored my post!
HERE let me requote myself...

Emphisis on the BOLDED BIT.

After 7 years of knowing that Fenris wasn't going to change his mind, he decides to write him off completely. He puts up with Fenris because of Hawke, but he'd sooner never see the man again if it were too soon. So, when Denarius comes back, if Hawke is willing to ship him off, then he sees no point in hiding his glee of being rid of someone who he hates. On top of which, for Anders, its a little bit of poetic justice. The slave who hates slavery but doesn't hate mages being imprisoned, gets sent back to be a slave.

Anders Isn't normally that kind of a jerk. Its only if Hawke[/i] is willing to hand Fenris back is Anders that much of a jerk. Thus, Hawke must [i]also be that much of a jerk.

Aka: If your Hawke is a dick who gives Fenris to Denarius, then that particular incarnation of Anders is also dick enough to enjoy it. On top of which, he just doesn't like Fenris by act 3. and by doesn't like, I mean wouldn't cry if he died and probably wouldn't heal him unless Hawke asked ;p

I agree with this 100%.  DA2 gave us very Hawke subjective characters as NPCs.  Cullen also suffered from Hawke's personality.  Like an unofficial squadmate.

[Giggles_Manically]

I think we need to ask if Anders would do it if he were the one dealing with Denarius?
Like if Denarius offered him assistance for his cause, for him turning Fenris over would he take it?

That is what needs to be asked.
Act 3 Anders would do that.

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I think we need to ask if Anders would do it if he were the one dealing with Denarius?
Like if Denarius offered him assistance for his cause, for him turning Fenris over would he take it?

That is what needs to be asked.
Act 3 Anders would do that.

I'm not sure about DA2 Anders in general, though I'd like to thik Act 1 Anders wouldn't do it.

I wonder how Awakening Anders would have reacted to Fenris?

[berelinde]

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...
I wonder how Awakening Anders would have reacted to Fenris?

Probably about the same as he reacted to Nathaniel: trolling him bigtime.

To my friends and fellow fanders along the eastern coast of the United States: Stay safe, stay dry, and stay sane. It probably wouldn't hurt to keep flashlights and bottled water handy, either.

[Sialater]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I think we need to ask if Anders would do it if he were the one dealing with Denarius?
Like if Denarius offered him assistance for his cause, for him turning Fenris over would he take it?

That is what needs to be asked.
Act 3 Anders would do that.

But Act 3 Anders is bat**** insane.  None of the companions would be near him, if not for Hawke.

Modifié par Sialater, 25 août 2011 - 09:47 .

[berelinde]

Sialater wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I think we need to ask if Anders would do it if he were the one dealing with Denarius?
Like if Denarius offered him assistance for his cause, for him turning Fenris over would he take it?

That is what needs to be asked.
Act 3 Anders would do that.

But Act 3 Anders is bat**** insane.  None of the companions would be near him, if not for Hawke.

Varric visits him in his clinic voluntarily. He also tries repeatedly to jolly him into a better mood. It doesn't work, but he tries.

Actually, most of the companions are relatively nice to him in Act 3. Granted, a lot of them treat him like a guy whose cheese has slipped off his ****** (which it has), but they aren't unfriendly to him. Even Aveline's "And yet I allow an abomination to whine at me" is a lot less nasty than it could have been.

[LT123]

Sialater wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I think we need to ask if Anders would do it if he were the one dealing with Denarius?
Like if Denarius offered him assistance for his cause, for him turning Fenris over would he take it?

That is what needs to be asked.
Act 3 Anders would do that.

But Act 3 Anders is bat**** insane.  None of the companions would be near him, if not for Hawke.

Although Merrill does come to visit him if he's at Hawke's estate. And he chases her off with an insult and  paranoia about templars seeing them talking and she gets all and leaves.

Even though the only way the templars could see them talking on the second floor is if they were spying on them from a neighbor's house.

Or standing on a ladder right outside Hawke's window,.

Hawke: Anders, I am telling you there are not templars outside our house! *looks out window*
Templars on Ladder: :happy: