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[Sarah1281]

Ryzaki wrote...

I always thought Vengeance made him do it on the rivalry path D:

Damnit.

Stupid Vengeance controlling Anders.


This has increased my love for the rivalry mance though.  

Definitely.

I do wonder if I'd like the rivalmance so much if I didn't deeply resent Justice, though.

[Rinji the Bearded]

I think the spirits are dangerous because while they may not turn into demons really, they turn into these potentially malicious, single-minded things that might have had good intentions at first. Justice can be corrupted into vengeance, faith could be corrupted into something like ignorance, love can be corrupted into lust or obsession, fortitude can be corrupted into tenacity or stubbornness... very dangerous stuff.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 23 mars 2011 - 04:54 .

[DeaHamlet]

I have to redo my canon... I'm waiting around to finish my evil playthrough because this way I'm finding out more and more options for everything and get to decide what I want to choose in my canon playthrough. I messed up a whole bunch of stuff the first time o.O.

Anyway, the way I plan it out, this is what I think would happen after the end.
Hawke runs off with Anders and her friends. Fenris will stick around finally convinced that slave is a slave, and that's not right, regardless of whether it's normal humans or mages who are the bosses. Aveline will fight with Donnic at Hawke's side to defend her friend and defend innocents.
Isabela will stick around for the adventure, Merrill will want to fight for freedom even if it means giving up on the mirror. I imagine Merrill will really sympathize considering the history of wars and persecution her people have gone through. Varric shrugs his shoulders "it's never boring with you, Hawke. I guess this is ONE way to get out of the merchant's guild boredom".

I imagine they all went on Isa's ship, from place to place trying to defend innocents and fight for freedom. If the Imperium attacks, I imagine Hawke and Anders would defend the land from evil maleficar slavers just as they would defend mages from templars. I imagine eventually Aveline and Donnic would connect to some small village in the middle of devastation and decide to stick around there to defend it and eventually rebuild. I imagine Isa would probably stay with her ship and sink slaver ships and other ships with templars or agents of the imperium or chantry soldiers or qun... Anyone attacking mages or the Free Marches by ship would end up in a fight with the pirate queen with a heart of gold (but she's still such a ho, LOL).

I imagine Fenris would always be at Hawke's side as long as she's trying to defend innocents and the land... he'd especially be rejoiced if the imperium decides to take advantage and attack. He'd also probably agree to fight any forces the Divine decides to send to squash rebellion. I think that if there are wars on two fronts he might be going back and forth between helping against the imperium and helping Hawke with mage freedom. So I guess he'd be on her side, but just not always there. I think Hawke would even encourage him to go to the front lines if she was too busy with templar/mage fights to go to the front herself.

Merrill would also stay with Hawke for quite some time... maybe eventually the dalish would get involved (afterall, most of the keepers are mages...) and Merrill might go and become a general leading the army. Yep, I can see Merrill eventually growing up from all the things she'd witness at Hawke's side.

Sebastian... well when Sebastian decides to attack Kirkwall, I imagine that Hawke et al would reunite to come back and defend Kirkwall. And I imagine that Hawke would get great pleasure from squashing him like a bug with her foot. Not even spells, not even! Down and dirty .

As to Carver... he'd probably stay with his sister, but eventually go to the front lines if either the imperium or the qun attacked.

I imagine they'd all be going all over Fereldan, the Free Marches, Kirkwall, Orlais... wherever the need was. Not once caring that they might die in their quest... actually, expecting that one day they'll die defending mages or defending the land or killing slavers and abusers.

That's what I consider... a happy ending. A lot more exciting than my poor warden and her adventures with grey wardens (what does that even mean!).

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

RinjiRenee wrote...

IT'S SO SAD BUT SO BEAUTIFUL ,  Anders is gone either way...

I need a hug

Me too ughalskdjfas.df

I can't rivalmance him, he's got the right idea up until he starts getting paranoid and blowing things up. You can't fault a guy who facepalms at the same crap you do. Until he blackmails you into unwittingly helping him prepare a bomb and then blows up bystanders and what might have, in an alternate universe without Anders, been my third option.

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 23 mars 2011 - 04:57 .

[Threeparts]

A question for the thread: Would your Hawke ever offer to be a vessel for J/V, in order to free Anders of his influence?

Knowing full well ahead of time that it's a deal with the devil, that J/V could change unpredictably, and he could change Hawke unpredictably, but Anders would be completely free of his influence. Would your Hawke do it, even if Anders protested?
What if the deal had the potential to make Hawke more powerful, whether as a mage or a more physical class?

Modifié par Threeparts, 23 mars 2011 - 05:06 .

[Rinji the Bearded]

Pseudocognition wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

IT'S SO SAD BUT SO BEAUTIFUL ,  Anders is gone either way...

I need a hug

Me too ughalskdjfas.df

I can't rivalmance him, he's got the right idea up until he starts getting paranoid and blowing things up. You can't fault a guy who facepalms at the same crap you do. Until he blackmails you into unwittingly helping him prepare a bomb and then blows up bystanders and what might have, in an alternate universe without Anders, been my third option.

Yeah... I really think he was still trying to push Hawke away at that point, even subconsciously.  He wasn't thinking straight, poor thing.  *weep*

[Sarah1281]

Threeparts wrote...

A question for the thread: Would your Hawke ever offer to be a vessel for J/V, in order to free Anders of his influence?

Knowing full well ahead of time that it's a deal with the devil, that J/V could change unpredictably, and he could change Hawke unpredictably, but Anders would be completely free of his influence. Would your Hawke do it, even if Anders protested?

I hate to say it, but my Hawke really isn't that selfless. And her hatred of Justice would definitely cause problems. Plus you know that anything bad that happens as a result of this would be something Anders would never forgive himself for, even if Hawke didn't give him a choice about it.

[silver-crescent]

I honestly don't think it would be possible to separate Anders from Justice at this point without seriously scarring Anders. I mean they have been together for years and years.

[silver-crescent]

Someone needs to PM Jennifer Hepler about this now: http://social.biowar...index/6701597/1

It's the most relevant topic now that the whole friend/rival justice thing has been settled.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Threeparts wrote...

A question for the thread: Would your Hawke ever offer to be a vessel for J/V, in order to free Anders of his influence?

No, and after the 'tevinter potion' he wouldn't trust any suggestion from Anders that sounds like a miracle cure. And the suggestion would have to come from Anders because the most Farron knows of magic is what color potion replenishes his stamina.

silver-crescent wrote...

Someone needs to PM Jennifer
Hepler about this now:
http://social.biowar...index/6701597/1

It's
the most relevant topic now that the whole friend/rival justice thing
has been settled.

I lolled.

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 23 mars 2011 - 05:04 .

[marquiseondore]

My 1st playthrough I "romanced" seb and killed Anders.. so I was pretty much numb because it was so o.O.  2nd time around I friendship/romanced him and I have to say I love the way he was written. He reminds me of a Tolstoy protagonist (especially Pierre from W&P). 

Adding another song to the Ander's theme pot Try Again . I want to make a tribute video using that song.

[Ryzaki]

I wouldn't offer to be a vessel.

Not unless it involved a moment of vulnerability for Justice where Hawke could destroy him.

[LastFadingSmile]

Threeparts wrote...

A question for the thread: Would your Hawke ever offer to be a vessel for J/V, in order to free Anders of his influence?

Knowing full well ahead of time that it's a deal with the devil, that J/V could change unpredictably, and he could change Hawke unpredictably, but Anders would be completely free of his influence. Would your Hawke do it, even if Anders protested?

I'd stick him into Varric and let the dwarf get so drunk, J/V exorcised himself to spare himself the humiliation and indignity of Fadevomit. Everyone wins!

[Threeparts]

And an addendum to that question: what if the deal had the potential to make Hawke more powerful, whether as a mage or a more physical class?

[bloodtallow]

Threeparts wrote...

A question for the thread: Would your Hawke ever offer to be a vessel for J/V, in order to free Anders of his influence?

Knowing full well ahead of time that it's a deal with the devil, that J/V could change unpredictably, and he could change Hawke unpredictably, but Anders would be completely free of his influence. Would your Hawke do it, even if Anders protested?

My canon mage Hawke would, unconditionally and without question. If Anders protested, she'd tell him she viewed it as shouldering part of the burden Anders has been bearing for too long. Granted, she's a rebellious, free-thinking, templar-hating mage who has been in lock step with Anders since the day they met. Anders is the Champion of Kirkwall in her eyes, not her.

My current playthrough though is a much more self-obsessed blood mage. I doubt she'd be willing to take such a risk, even for Anders. She is famous among the romantic poets of Kirkwall for her delivery of "Want a sandwich?" after Anders professed his undying love for her.

And on a tangent - and sorry if it was mentioned before - would anyone else like to have a conversation or two with Anders if Hawke is a blood mage? My mage has been openly practicing blood magic in front of Anders since level 7. I'd love it if he noticed, and had something to say about it. Poor Merrill gets a ton of flack for blood magic, but for Hawke to take up blood magic is just as risky, if not more so than Merrill's own pact with a demon.

[DeaHamlet]

Oh and as to Anders being the cause and all that, I totally respect that he holds something high up on the list, even above those he loves. I don't think I take that as Anders loving Hawke any less. He loves her but he has a fight to fight.

I think my warden is very much the same... yes, Alistair, awesome stuff, but... fight now, sex later, ok? We got a blight to fight!

If Alistair disagreed with any of the warden's decisions, it didn't matter to her. She had to do what she had to do. It was more wonderful when he agreed (he agreed a lot, unlike bloody Morrigan!), but it didn't matter... the cause was so much more important than him.
Hawke pretty much does the same with her love interest, Fenris or Anders, if she wants peace, that's what she's going for... if she's trying to improve the circle, that's what she's going for. If she wants to get rid of the circle, that's what she's going for.

Hawke and warden in my world are very much "I love you guys, you're my family, but first we have this cause we need to deal with". They can understand the points of view, but the good fight comes before the people they love.

So it's easy for my Hawkettes to totally adore Anders for being dedicated to the cause.
Also, what kind of friend wouldn't want to make sure Anders is not caught?
It's bad enough none of those stuck up people in Hightown don't give a ****, can you imagine the poor without Anders' clinic? BAH!

[_Somebody]

Is there any video up of the rivalmance? I have only seen the friendship one.

[Sarah1281]

Threeparts wrote...

And an addendum to that question: what if the deal had the potential to make Hawke more powerful, whether as a mage or a more physical class?

Still not worth it. Anders gets more powerful and he also can't be held back and nearly kills people for being scared of him.

I think that (unless you have a freakishly angst-free Hawke and even that's no guarantee) all that would happen is that you would become the new Anders and slowly go insane, blackout, lose control of yourself... *shudder* 

[Sarah1281]

Brodyaha wrote...

A convo with Anders if you're a blood mage would be awesome.

Anders would be all "You know, Hawke, you're really not helping our cause with your blatant blood-magic."
And Hawke could reply "I'm sorry, could you repeat that? I was a bit distracted by the vengeful demon in your head. By all means tell me how I'M not helping." 

[Luridel]

And on a tangent - and sorry if it was mentioned before - would anyone else like to have a conversation or two with Anders if Hawke is a blood mage? My mage has been openly practicing blood magic in front of Anders since level 7. I'd love it if he noticed, and had something to say about it.

I have a feeling this has something to do with the way that specializations are selected, perhaps in a way that game mechanics won't allow you to check. This is just a guess, mind, I don't know if that's true.

Also, with skill reset items (Maker's Sigh), there's no guarantee that a Hawke who uses blood magic will stay as a blood mage - or you might take the blood mage specialization and never actually use any blood magic. From a gameplay perspective, it's tricky.

[YamiSnuffles]

So, Ms. Hepler's explanation depressed me. Then I thought about it for a while and I realized I still felt the same way about friendship/rivalry since that was more or less what I figured was happening anyway. Thus, in the end, I am just as depressed as I started.

Also, no, I would not offer to be a vessel. Berserker Hawke is really not a good way to make Justice less angry/vengeful.

[bloodtallow]

forcythera wrote...

I have a feeling this has something to do with the way that specializations are selected, perhaps in a way that game mechanics won't allow you to check. This is just a guess, mind, I don't know if that's true.

Also, with skill reset items (Maker's Sigh), there's no guarantee that a Hawke who uses blood magic will stay as a blood mage - or you might take the blood mage specialization and never actually use any blood magic. From a gameplay perspective, it's tricky.

Oh, I understand why they couldn't necessarily do it through existing game mechanics, but based on Anders' furious reaction to Merrill's blood magic, I think having a series of convos where Hawke is a blood mage could even open up an alternate rivalmance, where instead of Anders wildly trying to convince Hawke to support the mages, he's trying to get her to stop sullying the name of mages everywhere by using blood magic.

[Kim Shepard]

Threeparts wrote...

A question for the thread: Would your Hawke ever offer to be a vessel for J/V, in order to free Anders of his influence?

Knowing full well ahead of time that it's a deal with the devil, that J/V could change unpredictably, and he could change Hawke unpredictably, but Anders would be completely free of his influence. Would your Hawke do it, even if Anders protested?
What if the deal had the potential to make Hawke more powerful, whether as a mage or a more physical class?

Kaya would only do it if it was absolutely necessary, because there's a huge problem with that... she's in love with Justice too. Then he would be in her own mind. Even ignoring whatever strange effect that would have on Kaya, imagine what that would do to Justice. He'd either be calmed down by all the love, or be turned into a Pride demon after being surrounded by all this admiration of him.

I imagine that many years later though, their son would become a vessel for Justice - partly to keep the last parental figure he has around (in a world where Hawke is missing and Anders had his calling), and partly for the power he'll need to rescue his mother. He tries really hard to keep his emotions in check while preparing for this though, and the fact that his fighting the templars is more of a duty than a vengeance could help Justice be less corrupted. In a completely hypothetical future, of course. xD

[Lunare]

I  hope there will be a way to seperate Anders and Justice again...I want to kick Justice' A**