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[Kim Shepard]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Anders> HOW COULD YOU?!?!
Hawke> THE OPPRESSION OF THE TEMPLARS MADE ME DESPERATE!! (lie)
Anders> YOU POOR THING, DAMN THE TEMPLARS! ;___;
Hawke> *weeps in his arms, hiding a giant grin*

That's my Kane Amell... except he would really mean it. Not that he isn't evil and a brilliant liar. xD

[DeaHamlet]

My Hawkettes always let Anders live. He needs to go and defend the mages and the innocents from the war he brought to them. He needs to see the repercussions of his actions.
I like that even if you send him away to freedom, either way he's there defending the mages. From you or from Meredith as the case may be.

[heretica]

Sialater wrote...

Catt128 wrote...

I have been lurking the forums.... and this might sound harsh but I'm starting to believe that killing Anders is the "best" choice, atleast for him so he stops suffering. But oh god, either choice is sooooooo depressing.

Poor Anders.

It's the best choice to free a spirit? 

Nope.  Let him live and let him see what his Justice wrought.

Yeah, but Anders, the man. He is going crazy, he is losing his mind and I can't imagine how horrible it probably feels. It's like you are a prisoner in your own body. If Hawke loves him, it's probably as hard and difficult to see the ones you love hurting. Besides the fact that one day he might snap and kill you in your sleep. And after killing what he loves the most what? I don't think Justice would let him commit suicide or anything. What a tortured being.

It's like when a close friend or a family member is very ill. Or when Karl asked Anders to kill him because he doesn't want to live like that. What would you do? At first you might think "no, there is nothing worse than death", but that's a bit of a selfish thing to think.

Peolple should learn to let go. On the other hand, you could say "I will never give up on you", but both ways are extemely difficult and lead to intense drama.

Oh I love this. I don't know what to do with this situation.

Modifié par Catt128, 23 mars 2011 - 06:09 .

[Kawamura]

Heh. Yes, people should let go. Someone should let Justice hear that. I'm sure he'd give up the body.

Which, really, would be the biggest concern, I imagine. Faith saved Wynne. Why not zombie!Justice/Anders? Or, god forbid, Anders stuck in there, his soul unable to flee, always the helpless passenger.

[_Somebody]

DeaHamlet wrote...

My Hawkettes always let Anders live. He needs to go and defend the mages and the innocents from the war he brought to them. He needs to see the repercussions of his actions.
I like that even if you send him away to freedom, either way he's there defending the mages. From you or from Meredith as the case may be.

I always let him live too. He did what he did, and he might as well now help free the mages. Hes a skilled healer, and we could use that.

I do feel bad for Sebastian though. I really liked him, and I feel like I betrayed him.

[SurelyForth]

DeaHamlet wrote...

And I am pretty sure my warden would not be interested in some romance with Justice or Anders. She had enough of puppy sad eyes from Alistair over the Zevran thing, she cannot break that man's heart. That goofy goofy doll.

Mind you, Anders was so hilarious in Awakenings, he gave Alistair a run for his money.

If Anders had never shown up in DAverse again, or as a cameo, my canon Warden would have quietly broken up with Alistair and never left Anders' side, whether they called it a relationship or not. With DA2, though, I abandoned that idea, but it would be interesting for her to meet my Hawke and Anders after what happens in Kirkwall. She and Justice definitely clicked (in my post-Awakening fic, she calls on Justice sometimes as part of the whole spirit warrior thing) and had a lot of mutual respect between them. I don't know how she'd react to the combination of two men she cared so much about, knowing how it turned out in the end.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 23 mars 2011 - 06:15 .

[DeaHamlet]

Justice is blind, he cannot learn, he cannot feel.
Vengeance is a warped version of that... I hope that the more he sees, the more we protect the innocents, the more of the repercussions he sees, the more he learns.
Because 7-8 years in Kirkwall he saw so much abuse and injustice, it coloured his already vengeancy glasses even further.

But hey, maybe I'm an optimist.
To whoever is making the song list for Anders... most of the songs are so sad . I get so happy when I stumble across a song like 'Extreme' because it's less sad... and my Hawke is not sad when romancing Anders. She loves him, she supports him, she's dragging him to fight for the innocents and freedom, you want war, you best be there to fight through it... hehe. She's not sad.

But maybe she's a tad unhinged... She's blissfully happy that they're together to fight until death comes in battle.

[Sialater]

Catt128 wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Catt128 wrote...

I have been lurking the forums.... and this might sound harsh but I'm starting to believe that killing Anders is the "best" choice, atleast for him so he stops suffering. But oh god, either choice is sooooooo depressing.

Poor Anders.

It's the best choice to free a spirit? 

Nope.  Let him live and let him see what his Justice wrought.

Yeah, but Anders, the man. He is going crazy, he is losing his mind and I can't imagine how horrible it probably feels. It's like you are a prisoner in your own body. If Hawke loves him, it's probably as hard and difficult to see the ones you love hurting. Besides the fact that one day he might snap and kill you in your sleep. And after killing what he loves the most what? I don't think Justice would let him commit suicide or anything. What a tortured being.

It's like when a close friend or a family member is very ill. Or when Karl asked Anders to kill him because he doesn't want to live like that. What would you do? At first you might think "no, there is nothing worse than death", but that's a bit of a selfish thing to think.

Peolple should learn to let go. On the other hand, you could say "I will never give up on you", but both ways are extemely difficult and lead to intense drama.

Oh I love this. I don't know what to do with this situation.

He is not "insane" in the classic sense.  He is not really going crazy in a way that can't be fixed.  Either he needs to get dominant, or merge better with Justice.  He's not psychotic to Hawke, neither is Justice.  Especially if you romanced him with a full F/R relationship.

And I honestly think the idol's screwing with every mage other than Hawke and Bethany within a 50 mile radius.  Give or take.  Aplifying their issues.

[DeaHamlet]

SurelyForth wrote...

DeaHamlet wrote...

And I am pretty sure my warden would not be interested in some romance with Justice or Anders. She had enough of puppy sad eyes from Alistair over the Zevran thing, she cannot break that man's heart. That goofy goofy doll.

Mind you, Anders was so hilarious in Awakenings, he gave Alistair a run for his money.

If Anders had never shown up in DAverse again, or as a cameo, my canon Warden would have quietly broken up with Alistair and never left Anders' side, whether they called it a relationship or not. With DA2, though, I abandoned that idea, but it would be interesting for her to meet my Hawke and Anders after what happens in Kirkwall. She and Justice definitely clicked (in my post-Awakening fic, she calls on Justice sometimes as part of the whole spirit warrior thing) and had a lot of mutual respect between them. I don't know how she'd react to the combination of two men she cared so much about, knowing how it turned out in the end.

It's a tough one.  My warden was an elf mage so she'd totally be on Justice/Anders side, hardcore!  I think she might be sad if Anders seemed unstable at times, but I think my warden would be very good at talking vengeance down.  She and Justice really respected eachother.  And she saw Anders as kind of like a younger brother, super protective of him.  I think she would have set the whole world on fire if the templars had caught Anders and killed him or made him tranquil.  I think she'd like my canon Hawke, but my templar Hawke?  The warden would kill Alia without a second thought for killing Anders.  In my warden playthrough Justice remains at the keep so he can fight and die to give the wife of the dead man some peace (I think Justice wanted that).  

[heretica]

Sialater wrote...

Catt128 wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Catt128 wrote...

I have been lurking the forums.... and this might sound harsh but I'm starting to believe that killing Anders is the "best" choice, atleast for him so he stops suffering. But oh god, either choice is sooooooo depressing.

Poor Anders.

It's the best choice to free a spirit? 

Nope.  Let him live and let him see what his Justice wrought.

Yeah, but Anders, the man. He is going crazy, he is losing his mind and I can't imagine how horrible it probably feels. It's like you are a prisoner in your own body. If Hawke loves him, it's probably as hard and difficult to see the ones you love hurting. Besides the fact that one day he might snap and kill you in your sleep. And after killing what he loves the most what? I don't think Justice would let him commit suicide or anything. What a tortured being.

It's like when a close friend or a family member is very ill. Or when Karl asked Anders to kill him because he doesn't want to live like that. What would you do? At first you might think "no, there is nothing worse than death", but that's a bit of a selfish thing to think.

Peolple should learn to let go. On the other hand, you could say "I will never give up on you", but both ways are extemely difficult and lead to intense drama.

Oh I love this. I don't know what to do with this situation.

He is not "insane" in the classic sense.  He is not really going crazy in a way that can't be fixed.  Either he needs to get dominant, or merge better with Justice.  He's not psychotic to Hawke, neither is Justice.  Especially if you romanced him with a full F/R relationship.

And I honestly think the idol's screwing with every mage other than Hawke and Bethany within a 50 mile radius.  Give or take.  Aplifying their issues.

How can Hawke help him? Because as far as I know, he says Justice is stronger. Am I missing something?

And btw, what happened to the idol after the battle? I never thought of it... until now

[LastFadingSmile]

Sialater wrote...

And I honestly think the idol's screwing with every mage other than Hawke and Bethany within a 50 mile radius.  Give or take.  Aplifying their issues.

I never really gave that a lot of thought. Varric went nutso just being in the same house with a tiny piece of it, and Meredith is stomping around the Gallows with the rest of the freakin' thing strapped to her back, around people who are already pretty lyrium crazy or otherwise inclined towards power... yeah, an interesting theory.

[DeaHamlet]

Maybe people should say "goddamnit idol" or "goddamnit Bartran!" instead of "goddamnit Anders"?

[Sialater]

Catt128 wrote...

Sialater wrote...

He is not "insane" in the classic sense.  He is not really going crazy in a way that can't be fixed.  Either he needs to get dominant, or merge better with Justice.  He's not psychotic to Hawke, neither is Justice.  Especially if you romanced him with a full F/R relationship.

And I honestly think the idol's screwing with every mage other than Hawke and Bethany within a 50 mile radius.  Give or take.  Aplifying their issues.

How can Hawke help him? Because as far as I know, he says Justice is stronger. Am I missing something?

And btw, what happened to the idol after the battle? I never thought of it... until now

Simple, Justice was already fascinated by love in Awakening.  He actually wanted it, or seemed to.  I don't know if he would ever understand it, but Margaret would die trying to show them.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Catt128 wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Catt128 wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Catt128 wrote...

I have been lurking the forums.... and this might sound harsh but I'm starting to believe that killing Anders is the "best" choice, atleast for him so he stops suffering. But oh god, either choice is sooooooo depressing.

Poor Anders.

It's the best choice to free a spirit? 

Nope.  Let him live and let him see what his Justice wrought.

Yeah, but Anders, the man. He is going crazy, he is losing his mind and I can't imagine how horrible it probably feels. It's like you are a prisoner in your own body. If Hawke loves him, it's probably as hard and difficult to see the ones you love hurting. Besides the fact that one day he might snap and kill you in your sleep. And after killing what he loves the most what? I don't think Justice would let him commit suicide or anything. What a tortured being.

It's like when a close friend or a family member is very ill. Or when Karl asked Anders to kill him because he doesn't want to live like that. What would you do? At first you might think "no, there is nothing worse than death", but that's a bit of a selfish thing to think.

Peolple should learn to let go. On the other hand, you could say "I will never give up on you", but both ways are extemely difficult and lead to intense drama.

Oh I love this. I don't know what to do with this situation.

He is not "insane" in the classic sense.  He is not really going crazy in a way that can't be fixed.  Either he needs to get dominant, or merge better with Justice.  He's not psychotic to Hawke, neither is Justice.  Especially if you romanced him with a full F/R relationship.

And I honestly think the idol's screwing with every mage other than Hawke and Bethany within a 50 mile radius.  Give or take.  Aplifying their issues.

How can Hawke help him? Because as far as I know, he says Justice is stronger. Am I missing something?

And btw, what happened to the idol after the battle? I never thought of it... until now

Ms. Helper considered it a poetic justice to allow Anders/Justice to see what world they have created.  If Justice is able to comprehend it, I don't know... we can only see what the writers intend to do with him, at least for those of us who let him live.

[Eydris Ivo]

Nrggh. Remind me not to venture out far into the BSN forums.

This is the good place...

[Sable Rhapsody]

Kolotosa wrote...

I never really gave that a lot of thought. Varric went nutso just being in the same house with a tiny piece of it, and Meredith is stomping around the Gallows with the rest of the freakin' thing strapped to her back, around people who are already pretty lyrium crazy or otherwise inclined towards power... yeah, an interesting theory.

Add that to the already thin Veil in Kirkwall from centuries of magisters slaughtering slaves for blood magic, all the random bound demon bonus bosses...is it any wonder everyone's bats***?

At the end of the game, Varric suggests that that damned idol could be just as much to blame as Bartrand or Hawke or Anders...or anyone else, really.  Something tells me that just physically getting away from Kirkwall will help improve Anders' situation.

As for my Warden, I don't want to think about what will happen if she ever meets Anders/Justice and my Hawke.  My Amell worked so hard to bring about the peaceful liberation of the mages, and in one fell swoop, my Hawke and Anders destroyed that. What's worse, she helped Justice talk Anders into actually caring, and thus inadvertantly contributed to his current spirit possession.

[Sialater]

I figure first step is, Margaret drags Anders back to Ferelden, with anyone who will join her. Alistair did say he needed people like her.

[YamiSnuffles]

I think it merits being said again: Kirkwall=Hellmouth

As for my Warden, I continue to be conflicted on how she'd feel about everything. On the one hand, she was all about trying to find peaceful resolutions. On the other, when the chips were down, she was willing to kill. When the Templars came for Anders, she killed them and didn't feel the slightest bit bad about it. This from the woman who was willing to give blood mages and all sorts of other people a second chance. Maybe Anders just brings out a violent streak in my heroines.

[heretica]

Thanks for the helpful insight, I will go back to lurking and think about it 

[Sable Rhapsody]

Sialater wrote...

I figure first step is, Margaret drags Anders back to Ferelden, with anyone who will join her. Alistair did say he needed people like her.

At first, I thought the first thing Natale would do is gun for Sebastian.  But the sad thing is that even though they disagreed and fought and really hated each other in Act 3, he was once a good friend of hers.  Someone who respected and trusted her.  I think she'd rather give him the chance to wise up--she'll run from him rather than fight him, until the inevitable happens and he forces her to kill him.

She'll probably convince her friends to abandon her for their own sake, then traipse around the Free Marches with Anders, inciting the mages to rebellion wherever she goes.  She's not about to run--the Ferelden Circle's already free, and she feels like her fight is in the Free Marches.

[Sialater]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Sialater wrote...

I figure first step is, Margaret drags Anders back to Ferelden, with anyone who will join her. Alistair did say he needed people like her.

At first, I thought the first thing Natale would do is gun for Sebastian.  But the sad thing is that even though they disagreed and fought and really hated each other in Act 3, he was once a good friend of hers.  Someone who respected and trusted her.  I think she'd rather give him the chance to wise up--she'll run from him rather than fight him, until the inevitable happens and he forces her to kill him.

She'll probably convince her friends to abandon her for their own sake, then traipse around the Free Marches with Anders, inciting the mages to rebellion wherever she goes.  She's not about to run--the Ferelden Circle's already free, and she feels like her fight is in the Free Marches.

Ah... but the Fereldan circle's NOT free.  Even if you asked for the boon.  Alistair told Margaret, "Even I can't go against the chantry."

And after all of Sebastian's waffling, Margaret's response was a combination of, "Don't let the door hit ya where the good Maker split ya,"  and, "Good, it's about damned time you grew a pair."  

Modifié par Sialater, 23 mars 2011 - 06:43 .

[DeaHamlet]

I really hope DA:3 involves both the warden and Hawke. They teased me so much with that last Leliana scene and how both warden and Hawke are gone... o.O

That together with the grey warden secret-secret stuff during act 2, my mind is running in circles!
I really hope DA:3 is not some sort of wish-wash stuff involving a new country that has nothing to do with what happened in DA:O and DA:2. (kind of how DA:2 pretty much isn't really affected much by DA:O stuff... not really, sigh)

[Luridel]

Sialater wrote...

And I honestly think the idol's screwing with every mage other than Hawke and Bethany within a 50 mile radius.  Give or take.  Aplifying their issues.

Nope! Not the idol. But something is deliberately thinning the Veil. Read these: http://dragonage.wik...gma_of_Kirkwall

[DeaHamlet]

And a quick note... I really love whoever suggested Skylar Grey for the Anders romance... it's gut wrenching but so beautiful.

Does anyone else feels silly caring so much about a game... CHARACTER?
DA:O didn't have me this hooked.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Kolotosa wrote...

 Good morning, fellow obsessives.
Last night while I was playing, I was retarded and failed to move Hawke out of a cloud of Arcane Horrow fartstink in time and she dropped. You know how companions will say stuff when other group members die? Well I heard something from Anders along the lines of:


"HAWKE, NO! Don't be dead, please, don't be dead!!"


Is this some generic thing he'll say about anyone? I only ask because it sounded so utterly anguished and desperate, and would be awesome if it was reserved for romanced Hawkes. He sounded so freaked out, I just wanted to huggle him and tell him Hawke was okay, she was just...sleepy.  

No, he seems to only say it when my Hawke falls. Party members you romance seem to react strongly to you falling in battle. When I heard him yell that I was quite suprised.