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[Nilfalasiel]

Fox In The Box wrote...

There's depressing and then there's wanting to gobble on prozac while crying into your calculus book

You forgot "while listening to Unbreak My Heart". Or any depressing song of your choice, really.

But yeah, I could never do something like that. I've yet to muster the courage to rival Anders at all. I'm not sure I'll ever be able to.

Edit for ToP: All this talk of dying is making Anders sad!

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 10 octobre 2011 - 10:35 .

[cmessaz]

Don't worry Anders I'll never do it to you again!!!! ;_;

[MG800]

cmessaz wrote...

Don't even get me started on the fail execution scene if romanced. I mean that had so much potential to be a HUGE tear jerker. But no, I did it for science with my rival Hawkette, and it was lame. She was just like "You have to pay!" *stab* then walked away like she hadn't been with the man for 3 years. She was more upset when she killed Wesley, whom she had just met. <_<

Tell me about it. I didn't ever killed Anders, just because I can't get past that. Besides, romaced or not, Hawke knew this man for 6 f*cking years - and killed him with such an emotion, like it was 6 weeks instead.

[Fox In The Box]

@ Nilfalasiel - Another picture for my collection! *yoinks*

And yeah, I'm the same way. I feel like I ought to try out everything for SCIENCE!, but when it comes to actually doing it, it never, ever happens.

Modifié par Fox In The Box, 10 octobre 2011 - 11:09 .

[cmessaz]

MG800 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Don't even get me started on the fail execution scene if romanced. I mean that had so much potential to be a HUGE tear jerker. But no, I did it for science with my rival Hawkette, and it was lame. She was just like "You have to pay!" *stab* then walked away like she hadn't been with the man for 3 years. She was more upset when she killed Wesley, whom she had just met. <_<

Tell me about it. I didn't ever killed Anders, just because I can't get past that. Besides, romaced or not, Hawke knew this man for 6 f*cking years - and killed him with such an emotion, like it was 6 weeks instead.

I get that they wanted something like this for those who hated him anyway and love to do it...but what about the others seriously. I was SO pissed. I did something that literally made me sick to my stomach expecting it to be somewhat sad, and I got that. But I will say, it made me love him more the way he reacted. I won't clarify because it's horrible sad. I will really never do it again.

Modifié par cmessaz, 10 octobre 2011 - 10:54 .

[MG800]

cmessaz wrote...

MG800 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Don't even get me started on the fail execution scene if romanced. I mean that had so much potential to be a HUGE tear jerker. But no, I did it for science with my rival Hawkette, and it was lame. She was just like "You have to pay!" *stab* then walked away like she hadn't been with the man for 3 years. She was more upset when she killed Wesley, whom she had just met. <_<

Tell me about it. I didn't ever killed Anders, just because I can't get past that. Besides, romaced or not, Hawke knew this man for 6 f*cking years - and killed him with such an emotion, like it was 6 weeks instead.

I get that they wanted something like this for those who hated him anyway and love to do it...but what about the others seriously. I was SO pissed. I did something that literally made me sick to my stomach expecting it to be somewhat sad, and I got that. But I will say, it made me love him more the way he reacted. I won't clarify because it's horrible sad. I will really never do it again.

From what I read on BSN, a lot of people who hated him, hated this scence also. They felt unsated with merely sticking knife in his back. I wonder if that was suppoused to be some kind of symbol.
And I was telling myself the same thing, when I once sided with templars. Guess I'm a sh*tty roleplayer - I can't come up and  enjoy a character who would be fine with that.

Modifié par MG800, 10 octobre 2011 - 11:17 .

[cmessaz]

Yeah me either. I get playing a pro-templar Hawke and all, and a Hawke that feels that he should pay for it. But I personally can't rp a Hawke that would be willing to do it herself after at the very least knowing him for years, especially not romanced. I totally reloaded the save I did it on, I won't stick with it. And I know it's horrible, but if the scene was touching, I actually probably would do it once in a while.

[Naqey]

MG800 wrote...

From what I read on BSN, a lot of people who hated him, hated this scence also. They felt unsated with merely sticking knife in his back. I wonder if that was suppoused to be some kind of symbol.
And I was telling myself the same thing, when I once sided with templars. Guess I'm a sh*tty roleplayer - I can't come up and  enjoy a character who would be fine with that.

... and that's what youtube is for. Seriously, there are some things I just can't do, like siding with the templars, ever, since it means either killing Anders directly, or having him kill himself oO

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Fox In The Box wrote...

There's depressing and then there's wanting to gobble on prozac while crying into your calculus book

You forgot "while listening to Unbreak My Heart". Or any depressing song of your choice, really.

But yeah, I could never do something like that. I've yet to muster the courage to rival Anders at all. I'm not sure I'll ever be able to.

Edit for ToP: All this talk of dying is making Anders sad!

To cut the depression somewhat, here is an alternate possible reason I devised for why Anders is unavailable post-game if you make him side with the templars, from a month or so ago on this thread.

[cmessaz]

Hey guys, just loaded up my Anders rivalmance post-campaign save and Anders is available for Legacy. Sided with Templars. Please excuse her nakedness, clearly I am a mod short.

http://cloud.steampo...BCC1538053AB31/

[berelinde]

cmessaz, do you have MotA? I ask because now I'm wondering if it was my installation glitching out or if this was a bug that was fixed in MotA.

Right before Legacy came out, my computer got a nasty virus that made me reinstall the OS and everything else. I backed up my characters to a flash drive and transferred them back into the Characters folder after I got everything reinstalled. Any save that predates the virus does display occasional glitchy behavior (Fenris never returns to the Hawke estate if you turn him away the first time, things like that). These aren't really bugs, exactly, since they seem to be unique to my system, and more specifically, the saved games that I transferred via the flash drive. Of course, it is also possible that BioWare realized that there was a problem with Anders not showing up and fixed it, which is why I asked cmessaz if this installation incuded MotA. Anyone else have any rivalry post-campaign saves to compare it to? I'm really tempted to fire up my old post-campaign saves again to see if Anders reappears now that I have MotA.

[cmessaz]

Yeah, I have MotA. Was your rival before the new patch though? She was started just after it's release. Maybe that could be why?

Edit: Oh...I should clarify lol, like did you start that Hawke after the patch? Or load him/her up after and complete it?

Modifié par cmessaz, 11 octobre 2011 - 03:05 .

[berelinde]

The two rival saved games I have were both begun prior to patch 1.03, put on hold while still in Act 2, and completed after patch 1.03. Obviously, or I would not have been able to make Anders side with the templars. Both were completed prior to the release of Legacy. I have not tried these saved games since MotA came out though. I would do so now, but it's already 11pm here... oh hells. I'll do it for science.

Edit: I'll do it tomorrow. That computer is in the middle of a virus scan. No more cancelling that. Ever.

Modifié par berelinde, 11 octobre 2011 - 03:11 .

[cmessaz]

LOL. Yeah, who knows. Me I've long abandoned her, she executed him for "science" and even though I reloaded...she was dead to me.

[Ryzaki]

<p>Hm...it might be a glitch berelinde. I always had a romanced rival Anders available for Legacy even post templar ending..  </p>

Modifié par Ryzaki, 11 octobre 2011 - 04:39 .

[Nilfalasiel]

Then again, I've read somewhere (can't remember where now) that all DLC, no matter when you actually play it, takes place pre-Last Straw. Which, y'know, makes total sense, because when you're fugitives or in the middle of fighting a war, you hardly have time to go gallivanting in mines or at Orlesian parties. Especially since the crew is supposed to have dispersed after the war broke out.

In which case, it still doesn't rule out the possibility of Anders dying if siding with the Templars. Not that I'm keen on that outcome mind you, but it does make painful sense.

[cmessaz]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Then again, I've read somewhere (can't remember where now) that all DLC, no matter when you actually play it, takes place pre-Last Straw. Which, y'know, makes total sense, because when you're fugitives or in the middle of fighting a war, you hardly have time to go gallivanting in mines or at Orlesian parties. Especially since the crew is supposed to have dispersed after the war broke out.

In which case, it still doesn't rule out the possibility of Anders dying if siding with the Templars. Not that I'm keen on that outcome mind you, but it does make painful sense.

Yeah they say that. But those that were dead after the last straw in one of my playthroughs were absent when I used a post game save for MotA. So I suppose I'll start keeping a save before TLR.

Edit: Has everyone read this?

Anders - I asked my Anders/Justice separation question! 
Gaider answered that if Anders wanted to do it, the two probably could
be separated, very similarly to the way that Connor and the demon were
separated in DA:O.  a lot of why they won’t separate has to do with
Anders’s attachment to Justice, how it was willing, etc.  Also notice
that in the fade, the two are not separate entities, unlike Connor and
the demon.  If there would be a separation between the two, it is more
likely to happen towards the end of the game as Vengeance (the name
Gaider used) and Anders become more disparate.  Lastly, Gaider implied
that spirits and demons are, by nature, different,
something which I was never quite clear on.  They are not exactly the
same thing, despite what Merrill and others would have you believe.

From THIS.

Modifié par cmessaz, 11 octobre 2011 - 02:41 .

[berelinde]

Yes, and if Sebastian left, he's unavailable... though maybe I had better hold off on saying that until I've verified who's in my post-virus saves versus who's in my pre-virus saves.

We talked about DG's Anders separation comment 20 pages or so ago, but topics resurface in this thread all the time. I too find DG's comment about spirits and demons intriguing. Maybe one day, we'll find out what the difference really is.

[cmessaz]

Yeah, I can say for sure someone I accidentally didn't max and had to kill wasn't available for me. It was 1 of my first playthroughs when I had no clue what I was doing. ;_; So obviously I chose not to use that Hawke lol.

[Nilfalasiel]

cmessaz wrote...

Anders - I asked my Anders/Justice separation question! 
Gaider answered that if Anders wanted to do it, the two probably could
be separated, very similarly to the way that Connor and the demon were
separated in DA:O.  a lot of why they won’t separate has to do with
Anders’s attachment to Justice, how it was willing, etc.  Also notice
that in the fade, the two are not separate entities, unlike Connor and
the demon.  If there would be a separation between the two, it is more
likely to happen towards the end of the game as Vengeance (the name
Gaider used) and Anders become more disparate.  Lastly, Gaider implied
that spirits and demons are, by nature, different,
something which I was never quite clear on.  They are not exactly the
same thing, despite what Merrill and others would have you believe.

I notice that he doesn't specify friendship or rivalry. So...does he automatically assume rivalry, or does he consider that a friended Anders and Vengeance are also more distinct at the end of the game? That sounds a little counterintuitive.

Then again, it's still fairly obvious that it's Vengeance pulling the strings at the end of the game, even with a friended Anders; he just doesn't need to assume direct control. So who knows...?

[Wulfram]

cmessaz wrote...

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Then again, I've read somewhere (can't remember where now) that all DLC, no matter when you actually play it, takes place pre-Last Straw. Which, y'know, makes total sense, because when you're fugitives or in the middle of fighting a war, you hardly have time to go gallivanting in mines or at Orlesian parties. Especially since the crew is supposed to have dispersed after the war broke out.

In which case, it still doesn't rule out the possibility of Anders dying if siding with the Templars. Not that I'm keen on that outcome mind you, but it does make painful sense.

Yeah they say that. But those that were dead after the last straw in one of my playthroughs were absent when I used a post game save for MotA. So I suppose I'll start keeping a save before TLR.

Edit: Has everyone read this?

Anders - I asked my Anders/Justice separation question! 
Gaider answered that if Anders wanted to do it, the two probably could
be separated, very similarly to the way that Connor and the demon were
separated in DA:O.  a lot of why they won’t separate has to do with
Anders’s attachment to Justice, how it was willing, etc.  Also notice
that in the fade, the two are not separate entities, unlike Connor and
the demon.  If there would be a separation between the two, it is more
likely to happen towards the end of the game as Vengeance (the name
Gaider used) and Anders become more disparate.  Lastly, Gaider implied
that spirits and demons are, by nature, different,
something which I was never quite clear on.  They are not exactly the
same thing, despite what Merrill and others would have you believe.

From THIS.

Gaider clarified on the forum.

One caution: there are a few things in there which Heather either
misremembered or which I wasn't clear on. The spirits & demons
thing, for instance-- I don't think I said they were fundamentally
different. I believe what I said is that the possession was
fundamentally different (meaning Anders' situation, in comparison to
Connor's situation in DAO, which was the question).

[cmessaz]

Oh cool, thanks. I didn't see that bit.

[berelinde]

Link? I'd like to read DG's clarification in context.

[cmessaz]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Anders - I asked my Anders/Justice separation question! 
Gaider answered that if Anders wanted to do it, the two probably could
be separated, very similarly to the way that Connor and the demon were
separated in DA:O.  a lot of why they won’t separate has to do with
Anders’s attachment to Justice, how it was willing, etc.  Also notice
that in the fade, the two are not separate entities, unlike Connor and
the demon.  If there would be a separation between the two, it is more
likely to happen towards the end of the game as Vengeance (the name
Gaider used) and Anders become more disparate.  Lastly, Gaider implied
that spirits and demons are, by nature, different,
something which I was never quite clear on.  They are not exactly the
same thing, despite what Merrill and others would have you believe.

I notice that he doesn't specify friendship or rivalry. So...does he automatically assume rivalry, or does he consider that a friended Anders and Vengeance are also more distinct at the end of the game? That sounds a little counterintuitive.

Then again, it's still fairly obvious that it's Vengeance pulling the strings at the end of the game, even with a friended Anders; he just doesn't need to assume direct control. So who knows...?

Yeah see, why do I get the impression sometimes that they want us to believe rival is the best way to go? 

[Wulfram]

berelinde wrote...

Link? I'd like to read DG's clarification in context.

http://social.biowar...index/8379461/3