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[Nilfalasiel]

Lady Jess wrote...

Oh dammit, I didn't think I could like him more...but that makes such perfect sense. Look at...oh crap the elf girl that you met in Awakening that started his quest. Isabela has been with him, and probably half the tower between escape attempts if Awakening is anything to go by. And now having "Justicey" thoughts constantly in his head, I imagine with guilt, added he's a bit terrified of women at that point.

I'm...not sure why he'd be overprotective of a woman if he's terrified of women

I'm also not sure he had anything with Namaya (the elf who starts his Awakening quest). For one, she seemed a good deal older than him (or maybe it was just her voice), and secondly, if he had jilted her, wouldn't that give her a reason to betray him to the Templars rather than help him?

But yes, I guess overprotectiveness can stem from a string of broken hearts, but then I'm not sure why this would be more valid for an F!Hawke than an M!Hawke. He could very well have broken some men's hearts too, no? Wouldn't he feel guilty about them as well? Or, taking a slightly different angle, why does the gender of the hearts he's broken (so to speak) matter? I'll pass on the fact that I always interpreted him as straight in DAA. Since he's established as bi now, and, what's more, since he tells an M!Hawke that what he cares about is the person, not their gender, why would overprotectiveness be more justified with an F!Hawke?

I'm not sure how an M!Hawke's text differs from an F!Hawke's one in that scene (since I don't have any M!Hawkes), but it could also simply have to do with the differences in their personalities. It was probably the writers' way of giving the romances different flavours (maybe they thought female players would prefer something more dramatic?). Kind of like the differences between Zevran with a male Warden and with a female Warden: he's more subtle with the former (if there IS such a thing as a subtle Zevran...).

Also, just to make sure I didn't step on any toes, I meant "outrageous" in the sense that his comment is a pretty bold move to be making on a total stranger. By comparison, his interaction with an F!Hawke is pretty innocuous.

Edit: You have GOT to be kidding me...Again?! I'm gonna run out of screenies at this rate!



Anders is not amused!

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 16 octobre 2011 - 11:40 .

[Lady Jess]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Oh dammit, I didn't think I could like him more...but that makes such perfect sense. Look at...oh crap the elf girl that you met in Awakening that started his quest. Isabela has been with him, and probably half the tower between escape attempts if Awakening is anything to go by. And now having "Justicey" thoughts constantly in his head, I imagine with guilt, added he's a bit terrified of women at that point.

I'm...not sure why he'd be overprotective of a woman if he's terrified of women

I'm also not sure he had anything with Namaya (the elf who starts his Awakening quest). For one, she seemed a good deal older than him (or maybe it was just her voice), and secondly, if he had jilted her, wouldn't that give her a reason to betray him to the Templars rather than help him?

But yes, I guess overprotectiveness can stem from a string of broken hearts, but then I'm not sure why this would be more valid for an F!Hawke than an M!Hawke. He could very well have broken some men's hearts as well, no? Wouldn't he feel guilty about them too? Or, taking a slightly different angle, why does the gender of the hearts he's broken (so to speak) matter? I'll pass on the fact that I always interpreted him as straight in DAA. Since he's established as bi now, and, what's more, since he tells an M!Hawke that what he cares about is the person, not their gender, why would overprotectiveness be more justified with an F!Hawke?

I'm not sure how an M!Hawke's text differs from an F!Hawke's one in that scene (since I don't have any M!Hawkes), but it could also simply have to do with the differences in their personalities. It was probably the writers' way of giving the romances different flavours (maybe they thought female players would prefer something more dramatic?). Kind of like the differences between Zevran with a male Warden and with a female Warden: he's more subtle with the former (if there IS such a thing as a subtle Zevran...).

Also, just to make sure I didn't step on any toes, I meant "outrageous" in the sense that his comment is a pretty bold move to be making on a total stranger. By comparison, his interaction with an F!Hawke is pretty innocuous.

Fingers fly faster than brain sometimes sorry, I meant terrified of hurting a woman at that point. Maybe all of his men partners were super casual and the women tended to get more attached.  Or he had more relationships go bad with women and broken hearts than he did with men? Who knows, maybe he's one of those guys that think men can handle it better than women, but I think Justice might give him an internal Gibbs smack for that one, or Hawke would give him an external one.

[Amondra]

So I finally finished MotA, I was sad Fem Hawke did get a dress Don't ask but I really wanted her in a dress. Also I wanted to see Anders and Fenris all dolled up, hell I wanted to see everyone I took with me all dolled up.

[Tyrium]

personally, I don't have a problem with vastly different Anders reactions with M!Hawke and F!Hawke at the start of the relationship. At this point, I should probably mention that I play Anders as being straight in F!Hawke land and bi in M!Hawke land (and I know most people don't, but hey, nothing in an F!Hawke run contradicts it and to me it's more consisten with Awakening, so it's my headcanon). To me, the two Anderses are different people, just as friendship or rivalry Anders is different by the end, and their situations are different too. One has just lost the closest thing he had to love, the other has lost a dear friend. To me, they are in a vastly different mental space, so it makes sense that they react differently. Of course, this is based on my interpretation. Just my 0.02c.

If we go with the general opinion that he's always bi, then I guess he just sees men and women differently? I don't know, I like the differences, they give you a reason to replay as another gender. Personally, romancing Fenris is the only reason I'll play male.

Modifié par Tyrium, 17 octobre 2011 - 06:44 .

[Nilfalasiel]

Tyrium wrote...

personally, I don't have a problem with vastly different Anders reactions with M!Hawke and F!Hawke at the start of the relationship. At this point, I should probably mention that I play Anders as being straight in F!Hawke land and bi in M!Hawke land (and I know most people don't, but hey, nothing in an F!Hawke run contradicts it and to me it's more consistent with Awakening, so it's my headcanon). To me, the two Anderses are different people, just as friendship or rivalry Anders is different by the end, and their situations are different too. One has just lost the closest thing he had to love, the other has lost a dear friend. To me, they are in a vastly different mental space, so it makes sense that they react differently. Of course, this is based on my interpretation. Just my 0.02c.

That's an interesting way of seeing it. So would that mean that the flirting with an M!Hawke is more lighthearted because he's not quite over Karl yet at the very beginning? Or, at least, that the shock of losing him is more powerful, and he therefore doesn't feel the urge to be overprotective of someone else right off the bat? Then again, the fact that Karl was his first lay doesn't necessarily mean that there was love involved. But yeah, losing an ex and losing a friend would have different impacts.

[basbaker]

So the first time I played DA2 all those months ago, I started with a mage who sided whole-heartedly with Anders. And I admit that my own heart got a little broken at the end, not just my Hawke's. After that, I could never even entertain the thought of romancing him again. I had a hard time even taking him with me on quests.

Then, finally, I was able to bring myself to play another romance story with him this past week. I went the rivalry path and sided with Meredith at the end, encouraging Anders to side with me and atone for what he did.

It was all well and good and the kiss before the final battle was very sweet, but then in the end dialogue from Varric, I found that apparently Anders left Hawke. So is that the way it goes? Side with the templars and even though Anders helps you, the relationship is over?

If so, that kinda sucks. Especially since my initial resentment over Anders has disappeared and I'm able to appreciate him now for all of his strengths and weaknesses.

(Also, sorry if this question has already been answered a hundred times on the forum. Didn't have time to scan 2137 pages. )

[Nilfalasiel]

basbaker wrote...

So the first time I played DA2 all those months ago, I started with a mage who sided whole-heartedly with Anders. And I admit that my own heart got a little broken at the end, not just my Hawke's. After that, I could never even entertain the thought of romancing him again. I had a hard time even taking him with me on quests.

Then, finally, I was able to bring myself to play another romance story with him this past week. I went the rivalry path and sided with Meredith at the end, encouraging Anders to side with me and atone for what he did.

It was all well and good and the kiss before the final battle was very sweet, but then in the end dialogue from Varric, I found that apparently Anders left Hawke. So is that the way it goes? Side with the templars and even though Anders helps you, the relationship is over?

If so, that kinda sucks. Especially since my initial resentment over Anders has disappeared and I'm able to appreciate him now for all of his strengths and weaknesses.

(Also, sorry if this question has already been answered a hundred times on the forum. Didn't have time to scan 2137 pages. )

If you rival Anders and side with the Templars (well, it's the only way to make him side with the Templars), it's implied that he kills himself afterwards. Cf. his "I cannot live past this" line. I'm more surprised by the fact that he doesn't kill himself instead of agreeing to help you.

But yes, to all intents and purposes, that would mean that the relationship is over.

[Jean]

The general assumption in here was that Anders possibly commited suicide after that ending. At least, it felt like his dialogue insinuated that.

[basbaker]

"Vengeance will always be inside me. I cannot risk losing myself to him again. But if I die - now or after - perhaps it will be Justice and not Vengeance who rises from my corpse."

Is that the line you mean? I don't remember hearing him tell my Hawke that he "cannot live past this," but maybe he did and I didn't catch it. At any rate, I can easily understand the belief that he would kill himself rather than let Vengeance force him into another heinous act, especially after letting Hawke talk him into killing the mages. At that point, he has to despise himself and Vengeance equally.

Thanks for the answers! It's always nice to know that I didn't screw something up.

[Lady Jess]

basbaker wrote...

"Vengeance will always be inside me. I cannot risk losing myself to him again. But if I die - now or after - perhaps it will be Justice and not Vengeance who rises from my corpse."

Is that the line you mean? I don't remember hearing him tell my Hawke that he "cannot live past this," but maybe he did and I didn't catch it. At any rate, I can easily understand the belief that he would kill himself rather than let Vengeance force him into another heinous act, especially after letting Hawke talk him into killing the mages. At that point, he has to despise himself and Vengeance equally.

Thanks for the answers! It's always nice to know that I didn't screw something up.

I think (the quote you posted) that's the line right after the chantry explosion, when he fully expects Hawke to kill him right then and there, and is at peace with it. In a friendship romance at that point, if you have him stay he comes out of it, and starts looking toward the future when you talk before the final battle. He no longer wishes/expects to die..in fact it seems like he's happy to look forward.

I haven't played rivalry, and I'd likely never be able to side with the templars since I either play a mage, or Bethany is in the circle/

[Jean]

That's the line he gives when you last speak in the Gallows.

[MG800]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Oh dammit, I didn't think I could like him more...but that makes such perfect sense. Look at...oh crap the elf girl that you met in Awakening that started his quest. Isabela has been with him, and probably half the tower between escape attempts if Awakening is anything to go by. And now having "Justicey" thoughts constantly in his head, I imagine with guilt, added he's a bit terrified of women at that point.

I'm...not sure why he'd be overprotective of a woman if he's terrified of women

I'm also not sure he had anything with Namaya (the elf who starts his Awakening quest). For one, she seemed a good deal older than him (or maybe it was just her voice), and secondly, if he had jilted her, wouldn't that give her a reason to betray him to the Templars rather than help him?

But yes, I guess overprotectiveness can stem from a string of broken hearts, but then I'm not sure why this would be more valid for an F!Hawke than an M!Hawke. He could very well have broken some men's hearts too, no? Wouldn't he feel guilty about them as well? Or, taking a slightly different angle, why does the gender of the hearts he's broken (so to speak) matter? I'll pass on the fact that I always interpreted him as straight in DAA. Since he's established as bi now, and, what's more, since he tells an M!Hawke that what he cares about is the person, not their gender, why would overprotectiveness be more justified with an F!Hawke?

I'm not sure how an M!Hawke's text differs from an F!Hawke's one in that scene (since I don't have any M!Hawkes), but it could also simply have to do with the differences in their personalities. It was probably the writers' way of giving the romances different flavours (maybe they thought female players would prefer something more dramatic?). Kind of like the differences between Zevran with a male Warden and with a female Warden: he's more subtle with the former (if there IS such a thing as a subtle Zevran...).

Also, just to make sure I didn't step on any toes, I meant "outrageous" in the sense that his comment is a pretty bold move to be making on a total stranger. By comparison, his interaction with an F!Hawke is pretty innocuous.

Edit: You have GOT to be kidding me...Again?! I'm gonna run out of screenies at this rate!
*snip nose*
Anders is not amused!

Well, actually - she did betray him to the Templars. Or at least we have good ground for suspicion, since the whole thing was a rather pathetic ruse (three templars against the Hero of Fereldan... hell, three templars against Warden-Comander is a suicide, let alone a living legend).

And, how to put it: people don't usually assume that a men will get his heart broken by the one night stand. Especially since Anders probably had to lie his way in the bed with girls, while he didn't had to do it with men. Not every girl would be fine with one night thing.
Of course, there are hookers. But  I doubt he only had them, while on the run - there aren't brothels everywhere, he was hardly wealthy, and it gets old after awhile.
Anders is always protecive of Hawke, regardless of gender. He just doesn't treat M!Hawke like a delicate flower... much. 
Yes, it's just a different flavour - core stays the same. And leads to the same outcome. Whatever we like it, or not, we do treat genders differently - so there is a diffrent approach to the romance, depending on who you romance with.

Modifié par MG800, 17 octobre 2011 - 02:34 .

[Gervaise]

I thought I would just put in here that Isabella alludes to some sort of kinky encounter with Anders at the brothel in Denerim - may be Awakening Anders was just able to charm girls with his personality and his inventive use of magic!

If you are on full rivalry with Anders but side with the mages, does he show any regret at his actions over the bomb? I just wondered as on the whole I find it very difficult to rival him as I don't really like being brutally rude with people and I had a soft spot for Anders after Awakening. However, it really annoyed me on friendship mode that the conversation in the Gallows implied that I supported his actions, when I didn't. I have one run through with him rivalled but that is the Sebastian romance one - is it worth turning Sebastian against me to get a different result from Anders?

[Lady Jess]

Gervaise wrote...

I thought I would just put in here that Isabella alludes to some sort of kinky encounter with Anders at the brothel in Denerim - may be Awakening Anders was just able to charm girls with his personality and his inventive use of magic!

If you are on full rivalry with Anders but side with the mages, does he show any regret at his actions over the bomb? I just wondered as on the whole I find it very difficult to rival him as I don't really like being brutally rude with people and I had a soft spot for Anders after Awakening. However, it really annoyed me on friendship mode that the conversation in the Gallows implied that I supported his actions, when I didn't. I have one run through with him rivalled but that is the Sebastian romance one - is it worth turning Sebastian against me to get a different result from Anders?

This is why by the time I'm done I'll have a bazillion Hawkes. I do one for everything I want to try, so with two different romances per companion (minus Aveline and Varric of course) I'm going to have a bunch. I think I'm going to Rival Anders on my Smartmouth Mage II, I have yet to bother with Sebastian, he's going to be my biggest challenge.

[MG800]

Gervaise wrote...

I thought I would just put in here that Isabella alludes to some sort of kinky encounter with Anders at the brothel in Denerim - may be Awakening Anders was just able to charm girls with his personality and his inventive use of magic!

If you are on full rivalry with Anders but side with the mages, does he show any regret at his actions over the bomb? I just wondered as on the whole I find it very difficult to rival him as I don't really like being brutally rude with people and I had a soft spot for Anders after Awakening. However, it really annoyed me on friendship mode that the conversation in the Gallows implied that I supported his actions, when I didn't. I have one run through with him rivalled but that is the Sebastian romance one - is it worth turning Sebastian against me to get a different result from Anders?

All right, so I'll clarify: I don't think he had to lie every time. But DAA Anders is all about sweetalk, secrets, lack of consequences and additional burdens and having as much fun, as it's possible before they drag him back to the Tower. And the Pearl is hardly a place where he could find someone interested in his personality.

To answer your question: 
Anders gives the same piece of dialogue, if you sided with mages, regardless of rival/friend status. He doesn't even seem to remember being suicidal just a while ago - it boggles the mind.

Modifié par MG800, 17 octobre 2011 - 05:15 .

[Nilfalasiel]

MG800 wrote...

Well, actually - she did betray him to the Templars. Or at least we have good ground for suspicion, since the whole thing was a rather pathetic ruse (three templars against the Hero of Fereldan... hell, three templars against Warden-Comander is a suicide, let alone a living legend).

I always had the impression that the Templars circulated the rumour that the phylacteries were in that house specifically to bait Anders. Namaya wouldn't necessarily have known about the plot.

And, how to put it: people don't usually assume that a men will get his heart broken by the one night stand. Especially since Anders probably had to lie his way in the bed with girls, while he didn't had to do it with men. Not every girl would be fine with one night thing.

Uh...I know several men (gay and straight) who would be just as upset if someone they truly fancied walked out on them after one night as a woman would be. Just as I know plenty of women who have no issues with one-nighters. And people in Thedas seem pretty open-minded when it comes to sexuality in general.

Besides, I'm not entirely sure Anders could be that much of a jerk. Non-committal and casual, perhaps even wilfully blind if his partner begins to show attachment, definitely, but consciously lying on his intentions just to get sex? Doubt that. Especially considering how terrible a liar he is. He was a caring and compassionate person in Awakening already, even without Justice: that doesn't seem compatible with wilfully deceiving someone for sex.

Honestly, him suddenly developing THAT much of a conscience only because of Justice would be pretty bad character development, IMO. Like a bad rendition of the "taming the bad boy" cliché.

[berelinde]

basbaker wrote...

"Vengeance will always be inside me. I cannot risk losing myself to him again. But if I die - now or after - perhaps it will be Justice and not Vengeance who rises from my corpse."

Is that the line you mean? I don't remember hearing him tell my Hawke that he "cannot live past this," but maybe he did and I didn't catch it. At any rate, I can easily understand the belief that he would kill himself rather than let Vengeance force him into another heinous act, especially after letting Hawke talk him into killing the mages. At that point, he has to despise himself and Vengeance equally.

Thanks for the answers! It's always nice to know that I didn't screw something up.

He only says "I cannot live past this" if you choose the purple dialogue option there.

[MG800]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

MG800 wrote...

Well, actually - she did betray him to the Templars. Or at least we have good ground for suspicion, since the whole thing was a rather pathetic ruse (three templars against the Hero of Fereldan... hell, three templars against Warden-Comander is a suicide, let alone a living legend).

I always had the impression that the Templars circulated the rumour that the phylacteries were in that house specifically to bait Anders. Namaya wouldn't necessarily have known about the plot.

Well, that's your take on it. The fact is: there was something between them. Rest is a speculation, but she was hardly friendly.

And, how to put it: people don't usually assume that a men will get his heart broken by the one night stand. Especially since Anders probably had to lie his way in the bed with girls, while he didn't had to do it with men. Not every girl would be fine with one night thing.

Uh...I know several men (gay and straight) who would be just as upset if someone they truly fancied walked out on them after one night as a woman would be. Just as I know plenty of women who have no issues with one-nighters. And people in Thedas seem pretty open-minded when it comes to sexuality in general.

I used the words like "Not every girl" and "people usually don't assume".

Besides, I'm not entirely sure Anders could be that much of a jerk. Non-committal and casual, perhaps even wilfully blind if his partner begins to show attachment, definitely, but consciously lying on his intentions just to get sex? Doubt that. Especially considering how terrible a liar he is. He was a caring and compassionate person in Awakening already, even without Justice: that doesn't seem compatible with wilfully deceiving someone for sex.

Honestly, him suddenly developing THAT much of a conscience only because of Justice would be pretty bad character development, IMO. Like a bad rendition of the "taming the bad boy" cliché.

I'm not saying he suddenly developed a concience because of the Justice. People do bad things and regret them later all the time - and then do them again, because it's not the matter of having no regrets at all. 
Hell, I suspect it was a thorn in his side long before the Justice - after all, he wanted to settle down, have a normal life, with a family.  But he knew he wouldn't ever manage to have this - he was always on run, even when he wasn't physically running. From templars, from his past, feelings, and I suspect: concience. Big runaway Anders. 

He knew, they find him anyway - he couldn't run forever. He even said so: he seemed a bit tired of this, hence the "settling down with a fat wife", and "pretty girl and decent meal" comments. That's why he agreed to Justice offer - if his life could mean something, change something - isn't it worth the risk? 
Not like he truly understood, what this deal meant (or maybe he did, but he wasn't exactly in position of thinking things through carefully). 
Still, losing himself to achieve something, to change something? Something that seems unchangable, the whole system, how the world looks?
He gave eveything for this chance.

Modifié par MG800, 17 octobre 2011 - 06:11 .

[Nilfalasiel]

MG800 wrote...

Well, that's your take on it. The fact is: there was something between them. Rest is a speculation, but she was hardly friendly.

It could have been because she knew that helping a notorious apostate could get her into trouble. Or because she'd already helped him before and was getting tired of it. I got that she was pissed off with him. But it seemed more a "I'm tired of this crap" kind of annoyance rather than "omg, you bastard, you promised you'd call!"

I'm not saying he suddenly developed a concience because of the Justice. People do bad things and regret them later all the time - and then do them again, because it's not the matter of having no regrets at all. 
Hell, I suspect it was a thorn in his side long before the Justice - after all, he wanted to settle down, have a normal life, with a family.  But he knew he wouldn't ever manage to have this - he was always on run, even when he wasn't physically running. From templars, from his past, feelings, and I suspect: concience. Big runaway Anders. 

He knew, they find him anyway - he couldn't run forever. He even said so: he seemed a bit tired of this, hence the "settling down with a fat wife", and "pretty girl and decent meal" comments. That's why he agreed to Justice offer - if his life could mean something, change something - isn't it worth the risk? 
Not like he truly understood, what this deal meant (or maybe he did, but he wasn't exactly in position of thinking things through carefully). 
Still, losing himself to achieve something, to change something? Something that seems unchangable, the whole system, how the world looks?
He gave eveything for this chance.

Well, precisely: since he knew he couldn't settle down with anyone, and since he seems to have had a "don't fall in love" policy, I don't see him promising just that to someone simply to get in their pants. It would be deliberately cruel, and while he's certainly no saint, I don't think deliberate cruelty is in his repertoire. What I do see is that he'd have a fling with someone and then realise the person started feeling things for him...or maybe he thought he might have feelings for them. At which point, he would leave: broken heart right there.

[MG800]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

MG800 wrote...

Well, that's your take on it. The fact is: there was something between them. Rest is a speculation, but she was hardly friendly.

It could have been because she knew that helping a notorious apostate could get her into trouble. Or because she'd already helped him before and was getting tired of it. I got that she was pissed off with him. But it seemed more a "I'm tired of this crap" kind of annoyance rather than "omg, you bastard, you promised you'd call!"

I'm not saying he suddenly developed a concience because of the Justice. People do bad things and regret them later all the time - and then do them again, because it's not the matter of having no regrets at all. 
Hell, I suspect it was a thorn in his side long before the Justice - after all, he wanted to settle down, have a normal life, with a family.  But he knew he wouldn't ever manage to have this - he was always on run, even when he wasn't physically running. From templars, from his past, feelings, and I suspect: concience. Big runaway Anders. 

He knew, they find him anyway - he couldn't run forever. He even said so: he seemed a bit tired of this, hence the "settling down with a fat wife", and "pretty girl and decent meal" comments. That's why he agreed to Justice offer - if his life could mean something, change something - isn't it worth the risk? 
Not like he truly understood, what this deal meant (or maybe he did, but he wasn't exactly in position of thinking things through carefully). 
Still, losing himself to achieve something, to change something? Something that seems unchangable, the whole system, how the world looks?
He gave eveything for this chance.

Well, precisely: since he knew he couldn't settle down with anyone, and since he seems to have had a "don't fall in love" policy, I don't see him promising just that to someone simply to get in their pants. It would be deliberately cruel, and while he's certainly no saint, I don't think deliberate cruelty is in his repertoire. What I do see is that he'd have a fling with someone and then realise the person started feeling things for him...or maybe he thought he might have feelings for them. At which point, he would leave: broken heart right there.

I never said he promised love, children and cats, to a person he wanted to sleep with. I just said, he happened to lie and seduce to get his way. And that's a guesswork from my part, since we see no indication of it, aside from Namaya who could've been his lover. To me, she sounded rather bitter, and after all she warned femWarden to "Not let him sweetalk her - he's good at this". She doesn't say this line to a male Warden.

Modifié par MG800, 17 octobre 2011 - 08:06 .

[Lady Jess]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

MG800 wrote...

Well, that's your take on it. The fact is: there was something between them. Rest is a speculation, but she was hardly friendly.

It could have been because she knew that helping a notorious apostate could get her into trouble. Or because she'd already helped him before and was getting tired of it. I got that she was pissed off with him. But it seemed more a "I'm tired of this crap" kind of annoyance rather than "omg, you bastard, you promised you'd call!"

She did say not to let him sweet talk you, you'd regret it. So we can infer that he would sweet talk to get something he wanted...how far that goes, who can say.

[Nilfalasiel]

Lady Jess wrote...

She did say not to let him sweet talk you, you'd regret it. So we can infer that he would sweet talk to get something he wanted...how far that goes, who can say.

True, I'd forgotten about that line. Still, sweet-talking doesn't necessarily involve taking clothes off. Or rather, it doesn't necessarily involve sex, because I can think of at least one situation where I've sweet-talked three people out of their clothes without any sex being promised or expected...

Anyways, it could simply be that he went all puppy eyes "pretty please, help me". Or it could have been seduction. It's "promising love, children and cats", as MG800 put it, that I have a problem with: a situation where he would clearly see that the other person has feelings for him beyond simply lust and take advantage of that to get laid. Seduction isn't the same thing as lying.

However, strangely enough, if he took advantage of an emotional attachment to find a way to escape Templars...that, I wouldn't find reprehensible. Or not as reprehensible.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 17 octobre 2011 - 08:37 .

[MG800]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

She did say not to let him sweet talk you, you'd regret it. So we can infer that he would sweet talk to get something he wanted...how far that goes, who can say.

True, I'd forgotten about that line. Still, sweet-talking doesn't necessarily involve taking clothes off. Or rather, it doesn't necessarily involve sex, because I can think of at least one situation where I've sweet-talked three people out of their clothes without any sex being promised or expected...

Anyways, it could simply be that he went all puppy eyes "pretty please, help me". Or it could have been seduction. It's "promising love, children and cats", as MG800 put it, that I have a problem with: a situation where he would clearly see that the other person has feelings for him beyond simply lust and take advantage of that to get laid. Seduction isn't the same thing as lying.

However, strangely enough, if he took advantage of an emotional attachment to find a way to escape Templars...that, I wouldn't find reprehensible. Or not as reprehensible.

And noone claimed that seduction equals lying - I just mentioned it as a tools. And I'm sure he told a load of bull****, to impress, to look better and to conceal his identity. But, If you take the issue only with Anders deliberatly using someone's feelings only to bed them and never see them again then we don't need to discuss it further.  I think it might've happened once, and it's something he wrote off in the "My life mistakes" meme, and didn't tried again. And the rest of broken heart graveyard was an aciddent and being uncautious.

Modifié par MG800, 17 octobre 2011 - 09:16 .

[slyborg]

People can argue and speculate back and forth about what happened in Anders' past to make him so different from Awakening in DA2 but that fact is BioWare hasn't given us an answer. It could be his melding with Justice or something else.

Plus we can roleplay it however we want. In my FF Anders fell in love with the Warden Commander but since she was already married to Alistair, he couldn't have her and didn't want to put himself in a vulnerable position again with Hawke.

[Tyrium]

I'm not sure he and Namaya were together - it seems more to me that he wheedled his way into her helping him - the sweetalking wasn't sexual, it was just "charming innocent young man".

Personally, I don't think he'd lie to get someone into bed (about expectations, anyway). I think he'd have made it clear he was after a one-nighter in his playboy days.