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[ladyofdragons]

 @ladyofpayne: Priceless! XD

Going with the theme of inappropriate screenshots per the previous page...

I'll just leave this here. Because reasons. Too-Many-Captions-To-Pick-Just-ONE.


Source: http://lifeisacollag...sting-thing-too

Modifié par ladyofdragons, 07 novembre 2011 - 08:44 .

[Jackalope]

Is that hand thing his response to Fenris and his hand-in-the-chest move?

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Gamevoices has a soundclip of Adam Howden doing a promo as Anders. You should be able to follow the link to hear it. It says:

"No I don't want a sandwich. Oh, hi there. Sorry, I was in the middle of something. My name is Adam Howden, and I'm the voice of Anders in Dragon Age 2. Good luck to all you voice actors out there and thank the Maker for world gaming executives, Gamevoices. Hawke! Come back. I didn't mean it. I love your sandwiches."

I want this in the gaaaaaaaaame...

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

ladyofdragons wrote...

 @ladyofpayne: Priceless! XD

Going with the theme of inappropriate screenshots per the previous page...

I'll just leave this here. Because reasons. Too-Many-Captions-To-Pick-Just-ONE.


Source: http://lifeisacollag...sting-thing-too

Sexual healing

And it appears your Hawke is looking at his hand with just a little bit of perplexity.

[wicked117]

ladyofdragons wrote...

 @ladyofpayne: Priceless! XD

Going with the theme of inappropriate screenshots per the previous page...

I'll just leave this here. Because reasons. Too-Many-Captions-To-Pick-Just-ONE.


Source: http://lifeisacollag...sting-thing-too

I pop in here to check things out and say that I absolutely love my Anders and this is the first thing I see:huh: .... I think I'm gonna like this thread  lol

[Nyreen]

Ha, loving the new title change.

Modifié par Celestina, 08 novembre 2011 - 03:27 .

[Dunizel]

I'm surprised this Anders animation by xeora isn't yet mentioned in this thread. The others are priceless too by the way xD

[AnniLau]

ladyofdragons wrote...

 @ladyofpayne: Priceless! XD

Going with the theme of inappropriate screenshots per the previous page...

I'll just leave this here. Because reasons. Too-Many-Captions-To-Pick-Just-ONE.


Source: http://lifeisacollag...sting-thing-too

There's another popular meme entitled "I Have the Weirdest Boner Right Now"...

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

You can't get any more of a weirder boner than that! Practically outstretched towards you... Beckoning...

Oh I still can't stop laughing. That and the Celestina's comment. this thread already!

[SurelyForth]

I should have changed the thread title sooner, but my internet is hating the BSN right now for some reason. Getting and staying logged on is such a chore.

Also, it's my headcanon that Anders spends most of his time traveling with Hawke thinking "I have the weirdest boner right now." That and "sigh".

Modifié par SurelyForth, 08 novembre 2011 - 02:47 .

[YamiSnuffles]

SurelyForth wrote...

I should have changed the thread title sooner, but my internet is hating the BSN right now for some reason. Getting and staying logged on is such a chore.

Also, it's my headcanon that Anders spends most of his time traveling with Hawke thinking "I have the weirdest boner right now." That and "sigh".

*snort*

Now, would he think that more or less often after he gets in a romance with Hawke? Because before there's all that aching. But after he'd have a whole collection of mental images and memories.

Modifié par YamiSnuffles, 08 novembre 2011 - 02:55 .

[Nyreen]

I know this has probably been discussed hundreds of times, but who would you pick to play Anders in a live-action film? He's not a perfect fit, but I think Nikolaj Caster-Waldau wouldn't do too shabby. I've seen a lot of people going for violinist David Garrett, but beyond the hair and stubble I dont really see it. I think Nikolaj's nose is more similar to Anders'.





Or if Eric Belanger dyed his hair and popped in some amber contacts...

Modifié par Celestina, 08 novembre 2011 - 07:16 .

[Sialater]

Nikolaj Caster-Waldau is Jaime Lannister to me.

I can't see him as a mage, sorry. LOL

Modifié par Sialater, 08 novembre 2011 - 07:18 .

[Browneye_Vamp84]

Adam Howden automatically kicked in and don't know why XD
and i just realized the title changed XD

[Sialater]

I say they just get Howden to play him.

[nirvana6794]

There was a really fantastic debate going on last month on page 2125 about what the the void left by the possible destruction of the Chantry's structure. I have something to add to that, and I'm actually a little surprised that no one brought it up back then: wouldn't crippling the overwhelmingly powerful religious/political power of Thedas cause an age of enlightenment? Whenever a major power like the Chantry has fallen a period of scientific and industrial prosperity and innovation has succeeded it.

Some sort of technological advancement or less emphasis on the Chant of Light could lead to a greater understanding of how exactly spirits and demons are different, how possession works, why mages are conscious in the Fade when non-mages are not, and the like.

We know that the Chantry's internal structure is failing in the wake of Anders's starting the Mage-Templar War, so doesn't that sort of allude to a radical reformation of Thedas's primary organized religion, the rising of a new faith, or an age of enlightenment? I'm just curious what you guys think.

[Gyrefalcon]

M8DMAN wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

M8DMAN wrote...

Anders betrayed my trust, he had to start a freaking war which my Hawke was trying to prevent. Thousands upon thousands of people will die because of what he did.


He is on the same level as hitler in my book. I'm glad my character stabbed that rat bastard in the back!

Actually, Anders just blew up a building. It was Meredith's reaction to the bombing that actually gave it purpose. She could have went the other way, she could have taken him into custody (since he was right there, taking full blame) and minimized the fallout. Instead she went to the extreme, just as he knew she would. 

He didn't just Blow Up a building he killed hundreds of innocent people just to start a war.  Even though My Hawke sided with the mages you have to be blind to see what he did as being right.

It's like Meredith said ''The Grand Cleric was murderd with magic" the people will be screaming for blood. Anders started a freaking domino effect that will lead to an all out world war.

I find it interesting how many refer to Anders as a terrorist instead of a revolutionary.  Anders is not actually seeking terror or to frighten people into allowing themselves to be controlled.  Instead, he is forcing change.  He really falls more into the "Les Miserables" set.  I do think it was too heavy-handed, and given his reaction afterward, even he knows it is too much.  But I am not certain that his actions were not inevitable given the negative feedback cycle going on in the area. 

Meredith was clamping down on mages like a panicky, young captain.  Mages were suffering more and more abuse and when they would try to bring up the issues, Meredith would take it as a threat and clamp down harder instead of rewarding those who had cooperated.  This feedback was undoubtably increasing tensions all over the city for those with family and friends involved in the Meredith/Orsino stand-off.

What pushed Anders to decide that blowing up the Chantry was the only option left?  If you listen carefully, you catch extra bits in the banter.  1)  His lover Karl got made into a tranquil.  We see that at least some tranquil who could go back to what they were would rather die than be a husk of their former selves.  2)  Mages who were trying to speak out against injust/harsh treatment were being made tranquil even though they were not using blood magic and had passed their harrowing.  3)  Anders mentions he knew of mages who had been raped by their templar captors.  The "absolute power corrupts absolutely" has been creeping into the Templar ranks.  4)  "Accidental" children born inside the Circle are taken from their mothers immediately.  5)  Mages may not see their families once their powers manifest except for visiting hours like a prison.  6)  The number one reason for a mage to die  who has been placed in a Circle is suicide.  Despite Bethany being content, it is pretty clear most don't take well to having their lives ripped apart because of some uncontrollable trait from birth.  7)  We see that the high Chantry positions under the Grand Cleric have become horribly corrupt.  Sister Patrice was willing to manufacture reasons to have the Qunari/Kunari slain.  She and Meredith went up the ranks under the Grand Cleric's rule.  Does that mean the Grand Cleric was a poor judge of character or was she not willing to step in and rein in the abuses that were reaching her ears?  Only after people had died and violence had broken out had she stepped in at all.

I also notice people have been upset that Meredith was not in the building when it was blown up.  I suspect that Anders would have preferred she were, but he was in danger of getting hauled away and had no more time to wait.  He did kill a lot of innocents.  But we also know there were both abusive templars AND demon-possessed ones within the Chantry and there was no system for sorting them out.  So if one feels that the Right of Annulment would be okay to use on mages to insure all the blood mages were wiped out, would blowing up the demon-infested templars along with the good templars not be equally justifiable?

In history, there are moments where no one is planning to go to war or cause violence, but the series of events creates an atmosphere that winds up ending in it.   Kent State comes to mind as do the L.A. riots. 

I am really curious as to how Aveline would view the events.  Would it be "that damn, crazy mage" or would it be "a night where insanity and chaos gripped everyone".   Given the longer list of infractions known against mages, do you think that Anders actions were more justifiable or not?

Oh, and WAS the Chantry blown up with magic?  Anders is good but not that good.  Wasn't it the dwarven blackpowder explosives that he used?  He WAS a Grey Warden in the same area as the dwarven weapon-smith who knew how to make them.  He may well have acquired the formula some time previously over some pints of ale.  Then he had a whole side quest for the harder to get components.  I think he used his flame power to light it off, but the actual explosion was completely mundane in nature.  Meredith simply had never encountered explosives before and assumed it was "magic".  (Of course it was a really weird looking explosion...)  So magic, or not magic?

Modifié par Gyrefalcon, 08 novembre 2011 - 09:39 .

[van_squirgle]

Browneye_Vamp84 wrote...

Adam Howden automatically kicked in and don't know why XD
and i just realized the title changed XD

As much as those (beautiful) men resemble Anders, I think Adam Howden would be best for the role.  He seems to really like his character and would probably accept in a heartbeat if given the opportunity to play a live-action version.

Speaking of Adam...  If anybody would like to add something to this, feel free!  (Also, if you see any glaring grammar mistakes don't hesitate to fix them. )

Modifié par van_squirgle, 08 novembre 2011 - 09:59 .

[Sialater]

Oh, goody. This debate again.

It was the dwarven powder with a magical boost and yes, Anders, for all intents and purposes *is* a terrorist. However, his ultimate label will be determined by who wins the Chantry/Mage war.

[AnniLau]

van_squirgle wrote...
 (Also, if you see any glaring grammar mistakes don't hesitate to fix them. )

Penchant, not penchance. I can't fix it though.

[van_squirgle]

AnniLau wrote...

van_squirgle wrote...
 (Also, if you see any glaring grammar mistakes don't hesitate to fix them. )

Penchant, not penchance. I can't fix it though.

Heh, thanks.  I knew I'd mess up somewhere. XD

[Arquen]

Ooo goody this debate again...

I think it also comes down to people bringing too much "real world" analogy into the fray. People have built stereotypes and connotations around the words "terrorism" and "revolutionary."

We must remember that THIS IS THEDAS -- not Earth, and not "our" world. "When Andraste wanted to free the slaves, she didn't write a strongly worded letter. She started a war." Thedas' history has been shaped by violence and war. Lest we also forget that this is the Dragon Age -- a symbol for rebirth from destruction.

Anders's actions reflect this moreso than any kind of personal agenda. While you agree with the actual "killIing" he did as necessary or not does not really eclipse the fact that the Circle and the Chantry were not going to change without something catastrophic. There is no doubt in my mind that what Anders did was -- what's the name of that quest?? "THE LAST STRAW," and that he didn't have any other choice. His reasoning and power over his own decision is debatable, but in the end he was the one who forced something, and it was a necessary force. Nothing changes without that kind of force in Thedas.

So, again I think people get too hung up on the "killing innocents" and drown in their own mental bias toward terrorism, bombs, and other such things. Whereas when I look at Anders's actions I compare them with the history of Thedas and that world, and I find they are quite justifiable.

Also, "innocent" is a very loaded term, and doesn't have an easy definition. Do we count demon-infested Templars as "innocent?" Do we count apathetic old ladies with powerful political positions as "innocent?" Do we count a mage at the end of his rope with no hope for change and only an endless cycle of abuse and prejudices who lashes out in self defense "innocent?" -- Each result in the killing and death of others, but where does it become acceptable? Not an easy question, but it is the one Anders asks.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

So, I have a question. Anders justifies his actions by claiming itwas to remove all possibility of compromise, or stalling the situation.

Is it better that he blew up the chantry? Or should he have blown up the Templars and Circle mages? And resolved both of them like that?

[Heidenreich]

(Okay, I'm going to attempt to answer this. I appoligise if it comes off babbly or is hard to follow. I'm sleepy ;x)

By blowing up the Chantry, it instantly forces Meredith to take action. Make no mistake, Meredith has already called for the rite of annulment. She had already gone over Elthina's head by petitioning Val Roxaeu. Should it have been approved (and it would have if Leliana's Admission of them scouting to find out if Kirkwall ITSELF needs to be burned to a ground via exalted march), then the Circle would have been Annuled, and Meredith would have been justified.

The local populous on the whole would not questing an offical order by the Chantry, and every single mage in Kirkwall would have died with out so much as an eyelash being batted.

Blowing up the circle or the templars itself would only Justfy in the eyes of the world that Meredith was right. By Blowing up the Chantry, and by Meredith then choosing to Annul the circle rather then just take THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE in charge, it throws into light exactly what is going on with the Templars and the Mages.

It proves that Meredith is insane, and that the Chantry had zero control over the abuses being inflicted on a group of COMPLETELY INNOCENT mages.

Meredith is not wrong when she says that people would want blood for the Chantry explosion. What she's wrong about is that they would want ANDERS'S blood, not the blood of every INNOCENT mage in the circle. All she would have had to do was take Anders in to custody and hold a very very public trial and hanging/burning.

Instead she Annuls the circle.

Which is the point. He is "removing the chance for compromise." If she just hung anders, dealt with it PROPERLY and PUBLICLY then life would return to normal and the lot of mages would change ZERO percent.

But, she doesn't. She over reacts, and proves the point Anders is trying to make, all by herself.

Modifié par Heidenreich, 09 novembre 2011 - 12:56 .

[MICHELLE7]

Heidenreich wrote...

(Okay, I'm going to attempt to answer this. I appoligise if it comes off babbly or is hard to follow. I'm sleepy ;x)

By blowing up the Chantry, it instantly forces Meredith to take action. Make no mistake, Meredith has already called for the rite of annulment. She had already gone over Elthina's head by petitioning Val Roxaeu. Should it have been approved (and it would have if Leliana's Admission of them scouting to find out if Kirkwall ITSELF needs to be burned to a ground via exalted march), then the Circle would have been Annuled, and Meredith would have been justified.

The local populous on the whole would not questing an offical order by the Chantry, and every single mage in Kirkwall would have died with out so much as an eyelash being batted.

Blowing up the circle or the templars itself would only Justfy in the eyes of the world that Meredith was right. By Blowing up the Chantry, and by Meredith then choosing to Annul the circle rather then just take THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE in charge, it throws into light exactly what is going on with the Templars and the Mages.

It proves that Meredith is insane, and that the Chantry had zero control over the abuses being inflicted on a group of COMPLETELY INNOCENT mages.

Meredith is not wrong when she says that people would want blood for the Chantry explosion. What she's wrong about is that they would want ANDERS'S blood, not the blood of every INNOCENT mage in the circle. All she would have had to do was take Anders in to custody and hold a very very public trial and hanging/burning.

Instead she Annuls the circle.

Which is the point. He is "removing the chance for compromise." If she just hung anders, dealt with it PROPERLY and PUBLICLY then life would return to normal and the lot of mages would change ZERO percent.

But, she doesn't. She over reacts, and proves the point Anders is trying to make, all by herself.

I agree with some of this...Anders actually aided Meredith in what she wanted to do...he gave her the excuse. To me the chantry is a big problem...I don't have a problem with Anders blowing it up in the first place...Alistair made it pretty clear that the templars were military ( an army) that was controlled by the chantry due to their control of the lyrium.

As the military arm of the chantry, the templars not only enforce the chantry's laws on human mages but on elf mages as well...a people who do not even believe in Andraste and the whole "magic must not rule man but serve him" thing...they have their own Gods.

I think that without permission from the chantry whether it be in Kirkwall or elsewhere(as you mentioned) Merdith couldn't move...as a templar she was bound to the chantry and their control just like any other templar. No that doesn't mean she has an excuse...it's just that I see the chantry more as the understated evil of the game rather than the templars...I think that is why Varric mentioned at the end that the templars had rebelled as well...they wanted their freedom from the chantry as much as the mages did by this time. That isn't going to stop the war between the two factions in the future but they would not be enemies with one another in the first place if it were not for the chantry and their control and manipulations.

Elthina may come off as peaceful and serene but what she and the chantry stand for in my opinion is a great evil...the enslavement of an entire people just because they were born different. And face it...if you had the the Sebastion dlc she had the opportunity to leave Kirkwall...she was fully warned. I viewed her refusal to leave as an arrogant response...who would dare attack the Grand Cleric?  She took no real account of her flock...she could have evacuated the Chantry and her people from Kirkwall...would there have been war...undoubtedly...but her flock would have been safe. I guess you can tell I'm pro-mage.

[esper]

Heidenreich wrote...

(Okay, I'm going to attempt to answer this. I appoligise if it comes off babbly or is hard to follow. I'm sleepy ;x)

By blowing up the Chantry, it instantly forces Meredith to take action. Make no mistake, Meredith has already called for the rite of annulment. She had already gone over Elthina's head by petitioning Val Roxaeu. Should it have been approved (and it would have if Leliana's Admission of them scouting to find out if Kirkwall ITSELF needs to be burned to a ground via exalted march), then the Circle would have been Annuled, and Meredith would have been justified.

The local populous on the whole would not questing an offical order by the Chantry, and every single mage in Kirkwall would have died with out so much as an eyelash being batted.

Blowing up the circle or the templars itself would only Justfy in the eyes of the world that Meredith was right. By Blowing up the Chantry, and by Meredith then choosing to Annul the circle rather then just take THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE in charge, it throws into light exactly what is going on with the Templars and the Mages.

It proves that Meredith is insane, and that the Chantry had zero control over the abuses being inflicted on a group of COMPLETELY INNOCENT mages.

Meredith is not wrong when she says that people would want blood for the Chantry explosion. What she's wrong about is that they would want ANDERS'S blood, not the blood of every INNOCENT mage in the circle. All she would have had to do was take Anders in to custody and hold a very very public trial and hanging/burning.

Instead she Annuls the circle.

Which is the point. He is "removing the chance for compromise." If she just hung anders, dealt with it PROPERLY and PUBLICLY then life would return to normal and the lot of mages would change ZERO percent.

But, she doesn't. She over reacts, and proves the point Anders is trying to make, all by herself.

^Heidreich has pretty much said exactly what I think about it.
Meiridith pretty much proves Anders point by annulling the Circle and not killing him. He is standing right there, it would have been easy for her to catch him.

As for the other matter. If Anders had attacked Meridith he would just have been yet another mage attacking a templar, by attacking the system instead of the person Anders shook the whole system and it worked since both mages and templars have left.