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[General User]

esper wrote...
No. I don't think that all the innocent mages life that would be lost to death/tranqualization and annulments during the time it would take to build a goverment without supression in Thedas is worth the wait. I say this with the mind on the fact that the last 1000 years mages situation has only gotten worse and they have lost more rights.

Such is the folly of youth... and of the fanatic.  Thanks to Anders (along with Meredith and "that damn idol"), where the past was 1000 years of oppression, the future will be 1000 years of atrocity.

esper wrote...
No one will listen to the mages. They can't orginize anything and they have no political power an no rights.

Whether anyone listens to the mages (or Anders ftm) is equally dependent on what the mages (or Anders) are saying.

esper wrote...
Diplomacy and neogotiation only work when both parts have something to negotiate with. The mages have none and the Chantry will first negoatie with them when their power is threatened and the only way the chantrys power is threaten (from the mages) is if the mages is using violence.

No one said anything about diplomacy, negotiation, or any other sort of "peaceful" solution.

esper wrote...
Violence is the only thing the mage have left. It is sad, but such is the fact.

Not true.  The mages have each other, they have their families, they have friends, both commoners and nobles, and even an entire kingdom who looks kindly upon them.

esper wrote...
Now with two of their three armed factions gone from their control, perhaps the Chantry seems to be getting cold feet, but be aware that they are only doing it because both the mages and the templars have decided to leave the chantry's control. 

Violence and strife are tearing apart the world, while qunari, magisters, and darkspawn stalk the edges of Thedas.  One needn't be strictly self-interested to want to put a stop to that state of affairs, and bringing it about in the first place is the furthest thing from noble.

Modifié par General User, 11 novembre 2011 - 02:14 .

[General User]

Oops.  Double Post.

Modifié par General User, 10 novembre 2011 - 11:07 .

[Arquen]

Forgetting that this is Thedas and the Viscount does not govern the Circle. Tevinter is not exactly completely pro mage freedom. They no doubt support the Resolutionists, but they also have no qualms throwing mages into slavery. Especially less powerful mages. Not every mage is a magister.

Also the government of Thedas is not democracies, but ruling class nobilities. The Circle and Chantry exist outside this government. There is no place for an apostate in Thedas except the circle or death. Anders has no chance at protest or to even help support the circle/chantry/government because his very existence takes that right away.

There is no choice. His protest and rally are his manifestos. That is all he can do. If he were to go and try legitimate channels to the Circle ir Chantry he would have been tossed back into the Circle, Wardens or killed for being what he is. That is not an option for him. As for other mages... their resistance awards them nothing. Even people like Orsino who have the illusion of power cannot change a damn thing, even after YEARS of trying and advocating. Not even for mage freedom, but simply for leniency. He doesn't even get that, and he is first enchanter.

There just isn't a simple solution, and to say government support makes it more legitimate is ignoring the fact this is Thedas where there is no standard government in place that is open for Anders to "support."

Phone posting... blah...

[Nerys]

Gyrefalcon wrote...
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OH!  Big question:  Did Varric actually plant the whole idea into Ander's head when he said he was writing a story about a romantic apostate up against forces he could not possibly succeed against?  He even said, "It's not a good story unless the hero dies."  Foreshadowing or self-fufilling prophesy?
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I thought Varric was being subtle in asking Anders "Do you really want to go down that this road, knowing that you will probably die? (and possibly Hawke too) " 
Even if Hawke didn't know what Anders was up, I believe Varric definately would have. I'm sure Varric was a little miffed about Anders dragging Hawke into the situation, espeically since Hawke had no idea what was about to go down.
Just my opinion...

[esper]

Nerys wrote...

Gyrefalcon wrote...
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OH!  Big question:  Did Varric actually plant the whole idea into Ander's head when he said he was writing a story about a romantic apostate up against forces he could not possibly succeed against?  He even said, "It's not a good story unless the hero dies."  Foreshadowing or self-fufilling prophesy?
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I thought Varric was being subtle in asking Anders "Do you really want to go down that this road, knowing that you will probably die? (and possibly Hawke too) " 
Even if Hawke didn't know what Anders was up, I believe Varric definately would have. I'm sure Varric was a little miffed about Anders dragging Hawke into the situation, espeically since Hawke had no idea what was about to go down.
Just my opinion...

That whole conversation is in act 1. I doubt that Varric knew what Anders planned then, because I doubt that Anders knew what it would end in then.

[Nerys]

It was pretty clear which way the wind was blowing. With almost everything Anders said having to do with the Mages plight. Also, we have no Idea when Anders began the underground movement. All those bits were off-camera.

[esper]

Nerys wrote...

It was pretty clear which way the wind was blowing. With almost everything Anders said having to do with the Mages plight. Also, we have no Idea when Anders began the underground movement. All those bits were off-camera.

I don't doubt that it was a subtle warning from varric's side that this could end very badly. But I still doubt he knew what Anders planned. I think that Varric more thought something like: 'Dude, you are going to ge tyourself killed in a horrible way.'

[tadonnen]

I thought that conversation was Varric's way of saying that other's had gone where Anders was going. That his road had been tread so often it was a full on trope, maybe to make him feel less alone and broody, maybe to discourage him, maybe a little of both at once. But I definitely got a "you are not a special snowflake" read out of that snark.

[Dunizel]

tadonnen wrote...

 Heh, thanks =).  And just to make sure I don't get a reputation for being all dire and contrary, have some fan art!



The best pony! Found during random Tumblr trolling a few weeks ago, if anyone knows the original artist, let me know so I can credit properly

The original artist is alienfirst on DeviantArt. 

[Nyreen]

tadonnen wrote...

I thought that conversation was Varric's way of saying that other's had gone where Anders was going. That his road had been tread so often it was a full on trope, maybe to make him feel less alone and broody, maybe to discourage him, maybe a little of both at once. But I definitely got a "you are not a special snowflake" read out of that snark.

I agree entirely! I think it was a mix of all of hose things. But honestly, what struck me the most was "hopeless romantic" - though Varric wasn't using it in the relationship sense, it still had be swooning. But at the same time I remember it feeling extremely foreboding.

I just went on the wiki to read Anders' banter again...and wow it's painful to watch him progress through the dialogue. In Act 1 he's joking along with Varric and by Act III he won't even stand for any levity. Ugh, reading banter shouldn't be this difficult - my anxiety has been making me a miserable wreck. For the past week I've been upset that I couldn't do more for a fictional character.

[SgtElias]

Celestina wrote...

Ugh, reading banter shouldn't be this difficult - my anxiety has been making me a miserable wreck. For the past week I've been upset that I couldn't do more for a fictional character.

I know! I feel like I experience that same slightly sick, helpless sensation everytime I fire the darn thing up. I feel absolutely ridiculous each time, but I can't seem to help it.

I think this is why I keep playing these games over and over; I'm not just interested in the story and characters. I came to care for them a rather unreasonable amount.

Well, great job, writers. Seriously. Take yourselves on vacation, or out to dinner, because you deserve it.

Sorry to butt into your conversation, by the way. Just felt like agreeing; sometimes I get tired of lurking.

[Arquen]

It's true.. one of the most frustrating things for me about Anders is that I feel so helpless next to him. Like there is nothing I can do for him that is going to make any difference. Moreso, I feel like Anders is spiraling out of control, and all I get is some craptacular dialogue options.

Even not romancing him I feel ... helpless... and I hate that. I also hate that even if you were to try and take him by the shoulders and be like "don't shut me out!" I don't think it would change anything in the end. He would still shut you out, and he would still try to protect Hawke and go down his path alone. I just want to be there for him, and he won't let you.. it's... frustrating.

[SgtElias]

Arquen wrote...

 I also hate that even if you were to try and take him by the shoulders and be like "don't shut me out!" I don't think it would change anything in the end. He would still shut you out, and he would still try to protect Hawke and go down his path alone. I just want to be there for him, and he won't let you.. it's... frustrating.

Yeah, I always felt that was the most frustrating. If the man is going to spiral out of control, the least he can do is to let my character spiral with him.

[Nyreen]

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SgtElias wrote...

Celestina wrote...

Ugh, reading banter shouldn't be this difficult - my anxiety has been making me a miserable wreck. For the past week I've been upset that I couldn't do more for a fictional character.

I know! I feel like I experience that same slightly sick, helpless sensation everytime I fire the darn thing up. I feel absolutely ridiculous each time, but I can't seem to help it. 

I think this is why I keep playing these games over and over; I'm not just interested in the story and characters. I came to care for them a rather unreasonable amount. 

Well, great job, writers. Seriously. Take yourselves on vacation, or out to dinner, because you deserve it.

Sorry to butt into your conversation, by the way. Just felt like agreeing; sometimes I get tired of lurking. 

Oh don't apologize, and thanks for delurking for a bit. I'm so glad to hear I'm not the only one who frets over Anders like this! In my opinion he's the most dimensional character who underwent the most changes - and that's what makes Anders so believably human.

 I want to replay the game, (for my completionist canon playthrough), but right now I too just feel sick at the thought of reliving it again. There was a thread recently that discussed this.

Carmen_Willow wrote...
 I think that watching Anders slide slowly over the edge and into the abyss cuts a little to close to the bone. His deterioration is like watching someone you love get eaten up by drug addiction, or by cancer, or by Alzheimer's disease, or anything like that.  It's slow, it's gradual, and it's unstoppable. It's great writing, I guess, but if you've been through anything like it IRL, it's just a little too real.

When I was a kid my mom became depressed and drank heavily for three years. I was too young to realize that she needed outside help, but old enough to see what a mess she was becoming. When I tried talking to my dad about it he threatened me and made me swear to never speak of it again to anyone. Looking back I regret not taking some action, and realize how wrong he was about everything.

I think one of the most painful human experiences is when we are forced to helplessly watch someone we love regress into a shadow of their former self.

Arquen wrote...
One of the most frustrating things for me about Anders is that I feel so helpless next to him. Like there is nothing I can do for him that is going to make any difference. Moreso, I feel like Anders is spiraling out of control, and all I get is some craptacular dialogue options.

Even not romancing him I feel ... helpless... and I hate that. I also hate that even if you were to try and take him by the shoulders and be like "don't shut me out!" I don't think it would change anything in the end. He would still shut you out, and he would still try to protect Hawke and go down his path alone. I just want to be there for him, and he won't let you.. it's... frustrating.

Being absolutely powerless to help a man who is so selfless is heart-wrenching. So when I do romance him again, I just have to tell myself that Hawke does everything she can. (And that they get to run off together into the dawn of glorious revolution).

Modifié par Celestina, 12 novembre 2011 - 11:27 .

[CuriousArtemis]

 Hello, Anders fans! 

Well, I'm playing an Anders romance for the first time EVER (was only able to do so by skipping the Bait and Switch quest so I wouldn't be tempted ... wahahaha Take that, Fenris addiction!)

OMGosh he's even more of a sweetheart than I thought he was! 

I'm playing with sarcastic Hawke, and his cheeky responses to Anders' heartfelt romantic lines are just so adorable and hilarious, all at the same time.  And yep now I finally get the meaning behind the name of this thread XD

I kind of can't wait for the end now, so Hawke can be all, No, baby, I forgive you *man cuddles* after the whole Chantry blow up thing.  

[ladyshamen]

Makers breath! Have you seen the new mod from the talented LapisLazzuli yet? Now THAT is Anders

http://www.dragonage...ile.php?id=3283




Just a quick sceen shot!

Modifié par ladyshamen, 13 novembre 2011 - 11:10 .

[nirvana6794]

Did anyone else notice that the Hanged Man is in the same position as the one from a tarot card deck?  I only noticed it today myself, so I'm wondering if anyone else has.  It's symbolic of necessary sacrifice, and things not being able to continue as they are.

My html isn't working properly, so link: http://www.ata-tarot.../resource/cards


I'm pretty sure this was intentional, no?

Modifié par nirvana6794, 14 novembre 2011 - 07:10 .

[Pyrawulfe]

Argh. I recently started a new mage playthrough pretty much just to romance Anders because I was starting to miss him. But right now I'm at the start of act 2, and having just done Fenris's Questioning Beliefs, he's reaaally tempting me with those sparkling eyes of his :'(. I couldn't bear to turn down his adorable lines at the end so I went with the ambiguous reply.

I'm just gonna have to keep in mind that I'm a mage and he hates me, also that I dislike rivalry romances. I'm doing Anders's quest now though, and those lines... "I'll drown us in blood to keep you safe". Really, Anders? But this is reminding me why I started this PT in the first place. Maybe I'll start another one just for Fenris so I won't get too tempted... sigh.

[SgtElias]

Celestina wrote...

So when I do romance him again, I just
have to tell myself that Hawke does everything she can. (And that they
get to run off together into the dawn of glorious revolution).

Haha, this is what I tell myself, as well. "Shhh, he's fine. No no, he's juuuuust fine. Now, onto the revolution!"

I have this strange feeling my Hawke has a sort of . . .  blind spot where Anders is concerned, haha.

nirvana6794 wrote...

Did anyone else notice that the Hanged Man is in the same position as the one from a tarot card deck?  I only noticed it today myself, so I'm wondering if anyone else has.  It's symbolic of necessary sacrifice, and things not being able to continue as they are.

Hah, you're right! I'd never noticed. I suppose this is what I get for using my Necronomicon deck instead of the Rider tarot like normal people . . .

Modifié par SgtElias, 14 novembre 2011 - 07:51 .

[nirvana6794]

SgtElias wrote...

nirvana6794 wrote...

Did anyone else notice that the Hanged Man is in the same position as the one from a tarot card deck?  I only noticed it today myself, so I'm wondering if anyone else has.  It's symbolic of necessary sacrifice, and things not being able to continue as they are.

Hah, you're right! I'd never noticed. I suppose this is what I get for using my Necronimicon deck instead of the Rider tarot like normal people . . .

I use a Crowley-Thoth deck, so I don't have the iconic imagery, either, but I am familiar with it.  I'd love to know who came up with that design for the Hanged Man, because that was very subtle on their part. 




And now I want a DA tarot card deck.  Does such a thing exist, or has anyone done tarot-themed art?  I'd be really interested in seeing it. 

[Heidenreich]

*claws eyes out at mod*
WHY U GOTTA MOD ANDERS! LEAVE ANDERS ALOOOOOONE
*hides under blanket*

[BevH]

On my latest PT, and I'm still finding new banters. I have a new favorite between Anders and Fenris. I don't know if anyone else has gotten this:

Anders: You were an idiot to leave Hawke.

Fenris: And you were fast enough to replace me.

Anders: I love her. You can't even imagine what this is.

Fenris: Do not bare your heart to me, mage. Unles you would see me rip it out.

Modifié par BevH, 14 novembre 2011 - 03:23 .

[AnniLau]

Heidenreich wrote...

*claws eyes out at mod*
WHY U GOTTA MOD ANDERS! LEAVE ANDERS ALOOOOOONE
*hides under blanket*

1 USER AGREES



(Why don't these forums have reaction buttons anyway?)

[ladyshamen]

Didn't mean to offend. I thought someone might enjoy it. I will bow out and not return. ( exiting stage left )

[syllogi]

Heidenreich wrote...

*claws eyes out at mod*
WHY U GOTTA MOD ANDERS! LEAVE ANDERS ALOOOOOONE
*hides under blanket*

I'm usually anti modding party members, and I don't care for that version of his robes at all, but the face in the screenshot really does look like AwakeningAnders.  I would have been very interested in it when the game first came out (now I'm so used to his new look it's not worth the effort anymore).  EDIT:  just noticed the scar.  Eh, yeah, I wouldn't use it, but the morph does look like OldAnders.

Modifié par TeenZombie, 14 novembre 2011 - 04:53 .