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[Porenferser]

I'd gladly pay for a *Anders-Slaughter*-DLC.
The murder-knife wasn't enough for me.

I want to literally tear him apart, with Fenris and Sebastian aiding me.

Modifié par Porenferser, 20 novembre 2011 - 07:25 .

[slyborg]

No.

[ladyshamen]

Porenferser , I'm REALLY sure your in the wrong place.

Hobbit- I'd love to hear Anders say that. Too funny

And just a general HELLO to all!

[andersALLthetime]

AH fantastic! What a good OP title! I was almost sure no one else had ever heard that little snippit over at GameVoices!

Well based on my name you can tell who I find just ever so charming =) But I was surfing the web lately and I found this snippit that I MUST share! Because it led to my fascination with reading. Check this out. It's an online Q and A from a newly published author of the book Bastion.

Collins: I mean of course there has been inspiration. I tried to make my magical fantasy world as unique as possible based on my imagination.

Connell: So if you had to list some inspiration sources, what would they be?

Collins: Well believe it or not I'm a huge BioWare buff.

Connell: What is that?

Collins: It's a gaming company. They make RPG's which are basically you and your controller telling a story. They're masters at it. The storytelling style of the Mass Effect series and their magic fantasy Dragon Age really is what spoke to me as a writer. I was like, "wow, if I can make people read my writing and imagine THAT, then I've done my job" (Laughs)

Connell: So I see! I've read the couple pages I could get before the book went live and I can see that there's action, a bit of romance and surprisingly some humor in this.

Collins: (Laughs) Yes there are some hopefully funny moments in this. The first book is a bit lighter and the series gets darker as things go on. Mostly because this is "Bastion: Prequel to War" and the war hasn't really started yet.

Connell: Makes sense, makes sense. So the four main characters, how did you come up with them anyway? I mean you said that you were all about the characters, right?

Collins: I did say that, didn't I? Well Rigil is little bit of me. He'd do the right thing to the best of his abilities, but he has plenty of faults such as second guessing himself. I wanted him to fight things that a leader would have to get used to. Meriah is based on a friend of mine. She's hot-headed, fiesty, prudish but ultimately very sweet. She's the development character, she's new to much of the world and wants to see it first-hand. Asper is a more mixture of culture. I put in a kind of spanish influence in his design and gave him a different kind of magic as a bruhenna, so there's an ethnic twist that hopefully hasn't been seen too much in these kinds of stories.

Connell: And then there's Syrius.

Collins: And then there's Syrius!

Connell: I have to say, the guy had me rolling from the few bits of the story I read. Where did his personality come from?

Collins: Well one part me, because I'm a goof ball and I deflect a lot of things with humor. Then there's one part Wheatly, the ball from Portal because Syrius isn't stupid but he does lack that common sense factor. Kasumi Goto had a huge role in inspiration to shape Syrius as well. Then Alistair and Anders from Dragon Age because I wanted him to be funny, yet hardened and kind. Anders is kind of where I got that idea of making Syrius a bit more carefree instead of what I originally planned. Despite him being chased around by the Corinne, he just wants to live life, which is just what any of us want, really. He's lonely, and how he deals with that is how people will hopefully be able to relate to him. Because who hasn't ever been lonely before?


DID YOU HEAR THAT? Our dear Anders inspired a character and a book! I needed to spread this because the book just went on sale from the website. People should definitely pick it up. If I can find any parts with Syrius in them I'll upload them here but by damn it Syrius totally has that Anders vibe!

[Porenferser]

ladyshamen wrote...

Porenferser , I'm REALLY sure your in the wrong place.

Why?
It's an Anders-Thread, not an Anders-Lover-Thread.

[ladyshamen]

OK, not everyone agrees with my mods, but there's no denying how happy a good screenie is! Well, I'm happy with it.



They will always have each others backs. You know what I mean!

[Drone696]

^ I want that hairdo for my dudeHawke
Also: Anders <3 I could never marrrdarr him :´(

[TastesLikeTNT]

Porenferser wrote...

ladyshamen wrote...

Porenferser , I'm REALLY sure your in the wrong place.

Why?
It's an Anders-Thread, not an Anders-Lover-Thread.

It's an Anders discussion thread. You'll notice that no specific character thread is going to have "squee only" in their title, because that would be rather boring in the long run, but walking in and saying how much you hate said character and just want them to die die die as horribly as possible isn't participating in a discussion, that's trolling.

[BevH]

ladyshamen wrote...

OK, not everyone agrees with my mods, but there's no denying how happy a good screenie is! Well, I'm happy with it.



They will always have each others backs. You know what I mean!

I love it when I see Anders and Hawke back-to-back!

[ladyshamen]

Rapunzel- You can find the style here : http://www.dragonage...ile.php?id=3240

Thanks to everyone! And well said TNT.

[Porenferser]

but walking in and saying how much you hate said character and just want them to die die die as horribly as possible isn't participating in a discussion, that's trolling.

I've seen many posts which contain nothing but fangirl-screaming and don't discuss much either here, so I don't see where the problem is.

[nirvana6794]

Porenferser wrote...

but walking in and saying how much you hate said character and just want them to die die die as horribly as possible isn't participating in a discussion, that's trolling.

I've seen many posts which contain nothing but fangirl-screaming and don't discuss much either here, so I don't see where the problem is.

This is, by and large, a pro-Anders thread, and yes, we do engage in a fair amount of fangasming and off-topic rambling here.  What character-centric thread doesn't?  This thread exploded over 500 pages in the first three weeks the game was out, and most of those early pages are debates; we have 2157 pages now, eight months later, so of course there's going to be a lot of pointless and silly asides.

Feel free to jump back to pages 5-8, the 430s, and the 2120s for some intelligent, reasonable discussions about Anders.  Many of us don't necessarily agree with him and/or what he did to the Chantry, but we're generally big fans of him as a character, and that's entirely different than you coming in here and saying you want to flay him just because he grated on your nerves or did something to trigger you.

That isn't to say you aren't welcome here, Porenferser, if you want to add something insightful and intelligent to a future discussion or debate about him, and not something violently and needlessly homicidal, to express your opinions. Otherwise you're trolling, and that's juvenile.

[Pris81]

Oh, great, troll-time here too... "Et tuu, BSN?"  Well, just to say that if we're supposed to be offended, or ashamed of our own fangirl-ism... don't count on me. RL is complicated enough to start stupid arguments in the internets.

@ Ladyshamen & Rapunzel: Well, I admit I'm quite of an anti-mod purist... but only when it comes to companions. Hawkes and Grey Wardens look better when fully pimped-up. And yeah, my next male Hawke will definitely have a "mo-Hawke"... Sorry, I'm aware that the pun approaches the "poet tree" level.

[SurelyForth]

Porenferser wrote...

but walking in and saying how much you hate said character and just want them to die die die as horribly as possible isn't participating in a discussion, that's trolling.

I've seen many posts which contain nothing but fangirl-screaming and don't discuss much either here, so I don't see where the problem is.

First of all...fangirl-screaming? *rolls eyes*

Second- listen to Nirvana6794.

Third- you have pretty much every place else on the BSN to post your less than positive feelings towards Anders. There are threads all over where your desire to dismember Anders will qualify you for some brotherhood of bloodlust or, at the very least, get you internet high-fives and congratulatory fist bumps. This is a thread for thoughtful discussion of his character AND, as it happens, is a safe haven from the rest of the BSN where opinions like your own are allowed to run roughshod all over how most of us feel about him. 

If you came here for discussion, please give us something besides "Grrrrr, murder!" to discuss. Otherwise, it seems very much like you just wanted to ****** off some "screaming fangirls" and that's not really what we do here. 

Modifié par SurelyForth, 21 novembre 2011 - 03:44 .

[Porenferser]

Well, just to say that if we're supposed to be offended, or ashamed of
our own fangirl-ism... don't count on me. RL is complicated enough to
start stupid arguments in the internets.

Where did I say that?
I'm a fanboy myself to some characters (mostly Morrigan).

But unlike you I'm not bothered through comments who express hate on my (in this case your) favorite char.
Why should I?
Everyone can have his opinion, I'd rather call people who adress this as trolling juvenile.

No need to even respond to my post, it is just my opinion, and thats it.

See ya.

[Sialater]

I really don't see why his "opinion" required a response.

It's not worth it.

[esper]

@Ladyshamen...
Your Hawkes hair is cool, but... I admit to also being a mod-purist. I sort of internally hiss everytime I see a modded Anders. Even if it is just his clothes...
Anders without feathered shoulder-things is just... not right for me.

Edit. I wish that I could take screen shots...

Modifié par esper, 21 novembre 2011 - 06:10 .

[ames4u]

yoshibb wrote...

Trophonius wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

(Just finished Act 3)

So Anders... 

I know you were pissed at the templars but... really? That may have been a little bit over the top.

I can't really blame him. His emotional and mental health have been severely impaired after years and years of pent up anger towards the oppression he faces everyday just for being born a certain way. The templars snatched him from his parents when he was 12, confined him in what could literally be called a prison, and mercilessly turned his boyfriend into a tranquil. Like he said, he found love and similarity with Karl because together, they were able to pretend that they weren't just slaves to the templars. There's just no way the templars/Chantry could escape unscathed. For Anders, it was either finding a way (albeit morally questionable) to finally grab their attention or the mage cause is lost.

Still, I think he went after the wrong people. I mean they were close to rebellion anyway, I was on his side. There was no need for the complete slaughter like that. I still kept him with me, but I have no doubt that Vengeance will overtake him at some point and there will be nothing left of Anders. I honestly can't remember a mage in this game though that didn't resort to blood magic at some point. But the Anders moment definitely scared and surprised the hell out of me. Did not expect that at all.

If you go the path of rivalmance, you'll see just how far Ander's slips. Justice actually squares off with you for a moment when you try to convince Anders to rethink his decision and Ander's reveals that he's had more and more 'blank spot's in his memory. Which means that Justice is exerting more control over him.  I did not like where Bioware took anders' route. Naturally there was no way for sunshine and rainbows between Mages and Templars but it was the sheer lack of control over the end that bugged the hell out of me.

[ladyofdragons]

 @Sialater 
Probably because we're Anders fans, many of whom seem to thrive on discussion, debate and exploring the positive and negative aspects of the character in general. So if the thread gets a little quiet, and someone wants to stir things up, it doesn't shock me that we'd make an attempt to provoke something meaty to talk about from it. Sadly, I don't think that's going to happen. The topic of wanting Anders dead is like... half the DA fandom. It's not even something that needs justifying. Definitely not meaty, unless you count old, gnawed up, not-even-pulp left, jerky. =(

@Ladyshamen
I'll admit I'm warming up to your Anders, in an AU sort of way. I'm a bit of a mod-purist myself, except in minor ways (I would not mind an Anders with slightly more disheveled hair...), but could start to appreciate some mods when considering them as slightly different characters if that makes sense. Like, many mods make Anders's face more attractive but they remove that careworn look he has-- something I love-- which then leads me to think maybe this Anders has had less in his life to worry over... if that makes sense?

Maybe it's because character design is a hobby for me. So many decisions go into reflecting who the character is within their visual design, little things that often only the creator knows the full significance of, but that are still an important additive to the sum of the whole. When I do redesigns, it really challenges me to interpret every design choice made in the canon character model and then reapply those elements through whatever theme filter I am trying to apply. Say for instance, formal wear for they party at Chateau Haine or seafarer wear for post-game time spent on Isabela's ship after fleeing Kirkwall. And my biggest challenge-- General garb "to blend in" for going ashore while being wanted revolutionaries, since their (Anders/Hawke) likenesses from Kirkwall have likely become so well known.
Now I'm babbling! 

Modifié par ladyofdragons, 21 novembre 2011 - 08:18 .

[esper]

ames4u wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

Trophonius wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

(Just finished Act 3)

So Anders... 

I know you were pissed at the templars but... really? That may have been a little bit over the top.

I can't really blame him. His emotional and mental health have been severely impaired after years and years of pent up anger towards the oppression he faces everyday just for being born a certain way. The templars snatched him from his parents when he was 12, confined him in what could literally be called a prison, and mercilessly turned his boyfriend into a tranquil. Like he said, he found love and similarity with Karl because together, they were able to pretend that they weren't just slaves to the templars. There's just no way the templars/Chantry could escape unscathed. For Anders, it was either finding a way (albeit morally questionable) to finally grab their attention or the mage cause is lost.

Still, I think he went after the wrong people. I mean they were close to rebellion anyway, I was on his side. There was no need for the complete slaughter like that. I still kept him with me, but I have no doubt that Vengeance will overtake him at some point and there will be nothing left of Anders. I honestly can't remember a mage in this game though that didn't resort to blood magic at some point. But the Anders moment definitely scared and surprised the hell out of me. Did not expect that at all.

If you go the path of rivalmance, you'll see just how far Ander's slips. Justice actually squares off with you for a moment when you try to convince Anders to rethink his decision and Ander's reveals that he's had more and more 'blank spot's in his memory. Which means that Justice is exerting more control over him.  I did not like where Bioware took anders' route. Naturally there was no way for sunshine and rainbows between Mages and Templars but it was the sheer lack of control over the end that bugged the hell out of me.

If you go down a rivalmance your Hawke is gradually eroding any rest of self-like that Anders might have. You are basically saying: What you did was wrong, what you did was wrong. Did I mention that what you did with Justice was wrong? (rember that Anders can't change it, so there is really no point in saying it).
Besides that your Hawke might also say: What you believe is wrong, and you are a monster.

Anders does not have blanks in friendship because he is not fighting Justice there. He is merging with Justice and develops a 'the end justifies the means' mindset. Basically in friendship Anders is more the cause than an indiviual and is prepared to sacrifice everything (and I mean everything, including Hawke) for that cause. Notice that he on friendship doesn't put the blame of the explosion on Justice, but says that it was his (which basically at this point means a joint) decesion.

On rival Hawke basically convince Anders that he is a monster and Hawke also creates rift between Anders and Justice and they become more two minds in one body than they do in friendship. So they fight for controls  hence the blanks.

[slyborg]

Sialater wrote...

I really don't see why his "opinion" required a response.

It's not worth it.

^ This. You kill a troll by ignoring them.

Also, working on an Anders picture! If I can finally learn to draw digitally, I'll post it soon.

Modifié par slyborg, 21 novembre 2011 - 08:49 .

[ladyshamen]

Just got a moment.
Pris- Mo-Hawke...made me LOL I love puns!
Sialater & sly.. You both make good points. And sly-if you finish your pic I want to see!

Mods.. I can understand people not wanting to change things. My biggest problem as someone who taught cosmetology for years is all these folks running around with blonde or red hair and having black eyebrows and stubble/beards. Just got on my nerves. Of course, that's just me.

I've never been able to Rivelmance Anders yet. I keep thinking I'm going to,but......

[esper]

ladyshamen wrote...

Just got a moment.
Pris- Mo-Hawke...made me LOL I love puns!
Sialater & sly.. You both make good points. And sly-if you finish your pic I want to see!

Mods.. I can understand people not wanting to change things. My biggest problem as someone who taught cosmetology for years is all these folks running around with blonde or red hair and having black eyebrows and stubble/beards. Just got on my nerves. Of course, that's just me.

I've never been able to Rivelmance Anders yet. I keep thinking I'm going to,but......

I have naturally dirty blond hair, but black as coal eyebrows... Are you, saying that I am not looking right?  

Rivalmancing Anders is an... experience. A very weird one. (I felt like I was abusive in it).

[Arquen]

LOL, it's true... meaty topics after 2,000+ pages are hard to come by. Especially these days.

I'm with Sia -- no reason to respond to random opinions unless there is a legitimate questioning somewhere in there or the person actually WANTS feedback to.. something.

I think it's rather sad that people hate Anders so much. I have this love/dislike relationship with his character, but he's so challenging as a character that I can't hate him. I did murder knife him once, FOR SCIENCE!, but I took no pleasure in it. It was the most broken and horribly tragic Hawke I have, actually. In another PT I let him die defending the mages because I went Templar, and I just didn't want to murder knife him and I wasn't about to make him side with the Templars. I just.. I couldn't do that to him. So, I let him die the way he chose to. The way he wanted to, and again, I took no pleasure in it.

The tragic nature of Anders, and his inner conflict, and just his whole bucket of crazy and saracastic and the unfathomable puzzle he is and becomes is just what draws me to him. I can't NOT love him. I liked him in Awakenings, but I didn't love him. In Dragon Age 2 and seeing that character growth and development and the whole spiral and crazy train with that jaw dropping finish. I just.. I love/dislike him. There are times when I want to *facepalm* at him. Times when I want to go "Anders.. wait..just wait one damn minute!" and times when I just want to be there for him, even if he is trying to push you away. He brings out such a spectacle of emotion with his progression. Even if you agree or don't agree with him... I just don't see how people can HATE on him so much, but I've all but given up on people in general, LOL.

I haven't romanced him. Not once in 8 PTs, but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate his character.

[ladyshamen]

esper..NOOO some people DO have this type of coloration, and it looks good, especially if it's natural. However, a lot of characters in DA2 look like they have bad color jobs. Like I said, it's just one of those 'things' for me. And I apologize if I insulted. I try hard not to do that.
As far as Rivelmance goes, I was afraid it would feel just that way, abusive.