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[Deviant Ingredient]

But then why can Anders do flashy ninja moves? I mean I suppose he could have learned how to fight in the Grey Wardens but Janeka fights DA:O style, technically, she and the Tevinter mages just like to create an exploding ball of terror.

[Deviant Ingredient]

Uh...I would edit to put a photo in but I'm on my phone and not that tech savvy. .-.

[Deviant Ingredient]

Modifié par Deviant Ingredient, 16 décembre 2011 - 12:55 .

[ladyshamen]

Sialater , I've never thought about it that way. Very interesting.
Something I've thought about is the cursed red lyrium. If it's taint was powerful enough to effect a Dwarf, could it not also effect people more sensitive in and around the Gallows? Does the red coloring have to do with blood magic? We know there were some pretty nasty things living in the Thaig. Just some random musings on my part.

[CuriousArtemis]

Deviant Ingredient wrote...

But then why can Anders do flashy ninja moves?

Short answer: Because he looks hot when doing them xD

[Deviant Ingredient]

My thought on the matter is the red lyrium is somehow correlated to darkspawn taint. I mean Bartrand mentions how he can't hear the song anymore, the same as the Mother. I wonder what spirits think of the red lyrium? Maybe darkspawn came from the dwarves that lived near the primeval thaig? Kinda like how the dwarves created the Harvester. Just a thought. I want to know if the Old Gods want to be corrupted.

[Deviant Ingredient]

@motomotogirl:
True. xD

[Sialater]

Oh, the red lyrium + torn veil + downtrodden and weak mages = powder keg, certainly.

[Tyrium]

motomotogirl wrote...

Deviant Ingredient wrote...

But then why can Anders do flashy ninja moves?

Short answer: Because he looks hot when doing them xD

He's just *that* good

[nirvana6794]

There aren't any darkspawn once Hawke and Co. get to the primeval thaig, though, so I doubt the red lyrium has anything to do with the darkspawn taint; it's the only known part of the Deep Roads that the darkspawn have left alone. If anything, whatever caused the rock wraith and the profane also created the red lyrium, because none of them seem to occur anywhere else.  

Chances are that the primeval thaig was inhabited before the magisters that used Kirkwall as an amplifier for their blood rituals ever weakened the Veil, and that the Veil was already weak in Kirkwall for whatever reason, possibly even because of the red lyrium in the ground.

And don't forget that regular lyrium "sings," too.  Justice says it, and everyone we've ever met that's lyrium-addled has mentioned that, too.

Tyrium wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

Deviant Ingredient wrote...

But then why can Anders do flashy ninja moves?

Short answer: Because he looks hot when doing them xD

He's just *that* good

Anders has the spirit of a zombie paladin in his head.  That's his excuse for the bamf staff twirling he does. 

Modifié par nirvana6794, 17 décembre 2011 - 02:16 .

[Sialater]

Anyone else surprised Justice didn't go all, "MY PRECIOUS," on the red lyrium?

[ladyshamen]

Sialater, your evil! LOL Now whenever I get to that part of the game, that's ALL I'll hear.

[Sialater]

 My work here is done. 

[nirvana6794]

I just kind of imagined Justice pulling that Homer Simpson gargle thing over it, and Anders being totally creeped out by it.

[Deviant Ingredient]

I kinda get the sense Justice wouldn't like the red lyrium, Vengence might. I wish they explored more on what Anders thinks of it all.

[The Librarian]

Hate him... I just wished that you could kill Anders before the end <_______<
A good character in Awakening, but in DAII he is nothing but an abomination and a terrorist *shudders*

[Frishmet]

The Librarian wrote...

Hate him... I just wished that you could kill Anders before the end <_______<
A good character in Awakening, but in DAII he is nothing but an abomination and a terrorist *shudders*

Not sure if you came here just to get a reaction or if you truly missed the real depth of the character. Calling him an abomination and a terrorist would not be false. Even those who believe he is justified in his actions do not deny this (for the most part). But to say that he was "nothing but" seems too dismissive of this very interesting and tragic character.

The if "you could kill Anders before the end" question is an interesting one though. Without the big chantry boom, I wonder how things would have played out when things came to a head between Meredith and Orsino. Especially considering there was already the threat of a Divine March on Kirkwall and the Resolutionists were becoming more and more desperate.

[esper]

@Frishmet...
Personally I think that Meridith would have found another way to annul the circle (possible with authority from the divine). This time with mayby without an such obviously unjust reason for the annulment and thus nothing would have changed as it would just have been just another tragedy in the mage/templar conflict and not have inspired the mages throughout Thedas to rise.

[Bayz]

I actually liked him more in DA2 than in Awakening...I mean he went from cheerful man**** to Whiny revolutionary, but his personality was mostly developed then than before...and kinda makes sense in context...

[Frishmet]

esper wrote...

@Frishmet...
Personally I think that Meridith would have found another way to annul the circle (possible with authority from the divine). This time with mayby without an such obviously unjust reason for the annulment and thus nothing would have changed as it would just have been just another tragedy in the mage/templar conflict and not have inspired the mages throughout Thedas to rise.

Quite possibly. But don't forget that since things played out quickly with the chantry boom, the red lyrium induced crazy was revealed in a way that her templars were forced to take a stand against her all at once.  Who knows what the continued effects would have made her do at a more subtle pace.

[Kawamura]

Bayz wrote...

I actually liked him more in DA2 than in Awakening...I mean he went from cheerful man**** to Whiny revolutionary, but his personality was mostly developed then than before...and kinda makes sense in context...

To be fair, he wasn't that cheerful. I mean. Not. Straight cheerful. 

Cheerful like the sort of emotional gravitation bending that goes around a black hole of trauma, that's what I alway thought. The sort that if you just glanced you wouldn't notice, but pay atention and you see that something is warped. 

I'm trying to work event horizon into this metaphor. It's not working. 

[esper]

Frishmet wrote...

esper wrote...

@Frishmet...
Personally I think that Meridith would have found another way to annul the circle (possible with authority from the divine). This time with mayby without an such obviously unjust reason for the annulment and thus nothing would have changed as it would just have been just another tragedy in the mage/templar conflict and not have inspired the mages throughout Thedas to rise.

Quite possibly. But don't forget that since things played out quickly with the chantry boom, the red lyrium induced crazy was revealed in a way that her templars were forced to take a stand against her all at once.  Who knows what the continued effects would have made her do at a more subtle pace.

The red lyrium idol is hard to factor in since we don't bloody know what the thing is
I really wish we had known more than it makes people crazy... 

[Fox In The Box]

esper wrote...


I really wish we had known more than it makes people crazy... 

It also tastes excellent with mayonnaise.

[nirvana6794]

Kawamura wrote...

Bayz wrote...

I actually liked him more in DA2 than in Awakening...I mean he went from cheerful man**** to Whiny revolutionary, but his personality was mostly developed then than before...and kinda makes sense in context...

To be fair, he wasn't that cheerful. I mean. Not. Straight cheerful. 

Cheerful like the sort of emotional gravitation bending that goes around a black hole of trauma, that's what I alway thought. The sort that if you just glanced you wouldn't notice, but pay atention and you see that something is warped. 

I'm trying to work event horizon into this metaphor. It's not working. 

I understand what you're getting at, and I agree.  It doesn't come across as insincere or false, but it's clearly a shield protecting a vulnerability.  In Awakening, it's not as good a facade as it's supposed to be, because Anders's pretty quick to anger whenever mage oppression comes up in conversation.  

I feel like it was very intentional to make it obvious that he's not simply a "cheerful man****" and that he's compensating for some very serious personal issues, which is why I didn't find his development from Awakening to DA2 to be all that jarring my first time through.  

To me, Anders comes across as a little bipolar eve in Awakening.  Men are more prone to having manic episodes, which can include excessive talkativeness, sexual inappropriateness, reckless behavior, distractibility, irritability, impulsivity, rebelliousness, feelings of being trapped or confined, and high self-confidence.  Onset is usually around age 25 (I've heard that Anders is wthin a year or two of 30 in Act 1), and stressful or traumatic life situations can trigger a first manic or depressive episode (being taken away from his family at a hugely formative point in his development and forced into a traumatic and new social arena, his year in solitary (which undoubtably created even more psychological trauma in an already screwed-up individual))... it seems like a recipe for disaster when you even throw in the fact that he's codependant and part of an aggressively policed and oppressed group of people. 

/ramble

[River5]

nirvana6794 wrote...

To me, Anders comes across as a little bipolar eve in Awakening.  Men are more prone to having manic episodes, which can include excessive talkativeness, sexual inappropriateness, reckless behavior, distractibility, irritability, impulsivity, rebelliousness, feelings of being trapped or confined, and high self-confidence.  Onset is usually around age 25 (I've heard that Anders is wthin a year or two of 30 in Act 1), and stressful or traumatic life situations can trigger a first manic or depressive episode (being taken away from his family at a hugely formative point in his development and forced into a traumatic and new social arena, his year in solitary (which undoubtably created even more psychological trauma in an already screwed-up individual))... it seems like a recipe for disaster when you even throw in the fact that he's codependant and part of an aggressively policed and oppressed group of people. 

/ramble

Ramble you say?    Lol!  I wonder what you would think of this: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/304/index/8844735/1#8848561  Seriously though, I'm pretty much with you on your impressions about the character.

A codependant's behavior often borders on the manic/depressive, and can even involve a certain level of splitting (creating a "good" and a "bad" persona in order to deal with what the codependant perceives as negative or unwanted emotions).

However, as the codependant manages to overcome his problems and achieve emotional maturity, these other disorders tend to disappear, as he no longer needs to use dysfunctional coping mechanisms in order to protect himself.

I personally consider that Anders is much more "disturbed" as an individual in "Awakening", than he is when you reach the quest "The Last Straw" in DA2.

Modifié par River5, 18 décembre 2011 - 08:20 .