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[Kawamura]

No, I didn't find it all that jarring either. Voice changes, yes. Emotional issues? Not really.

I remember thinking Anders was sick in Awakening. I always use the example of when you first come across him and he's talking about the Templars. That conversation really gave me the creeps, the way he goes from his joking, cheerful voice to ...

Well, I wouldn't say not. But there's something of an edge to it when he goes "but they're dead now"(or whatever the line is). I thought he was a bit off from that and when he talks about Mr. Wiggums and his time in solitary it sorta drove the point home for me. I mean, I think of cats like people (obviously I understand they're not), but I also think of people like people. Anders doesn't always remember to do this and that's not a good thing.

[Tyrium]

I find him more interesting in DA2 than Awakening. The change really didn't feel at all jarring to me - replaying Awakening you can see so much of DA2 Anders there - he's the same person, with the added "spirimon" of Justice in his head. His humour is clearly a deflective shield, and there is genuine hatred (and fear) of templars.

One of his first lines (about being an apostate) is something you can clearly hear a DA2 Anders say: "That's what they call someone who doesn't believe in being chained up in the Tower, so yes, I suppose I am."

The voice change actually didn't bother me at all - Adam Howden picked up the speech patters brilliantly. It doesn't exactly hurt that his voice is aural sex of course.

[brightblueink]

/delurks

I actually was (am?) one of the people that DID find the change jarring between the two games...partially because of his intro, I think. While it makes sense from an in-character perspective, it felt a little weird to me that the first bits we see of him is pretty much deep in "serious mode". With lots of glowing.

That being said, I just looked up a few clips on YouTube to see if I was remembering what he was like in Awakenings well enough, and some clips--particularly this one--do sound like they could be pretty IC for Anders in DA2, particularly when you remember that Justice isn't around at all. So, yeah, it does fit. But I do wish that they had him having a bit more snark in Act I, or that we'd somehow gotten to see him briefly before he got posessed by Justice, or...something. If we had more of snarky!Anders in the beginning I think it would've given his change throughout Act II and Act III even more empact.

(Disclaimer: Anders is one of my favorite characters, so I'm not trying to bash him or anything. Hopefully this doesn't come off as that.)

/back to lurking

[Kawamura]

brightblueink wrote...

/delurks

I actually was (am?) one of the people that DID find the change jarring between the two games...partially because of his intro, I think. While it makes sense from an in-character perspective, it felt a little weird to me that the first bits we see of him is pretty much deep in "serious mode". With lots of glowing.

That being said, I just looked up a few clips on YouTube to see if I was remembering what he was like in Awakenings well enough, and some clips--particularly this one--do sound like they could be pretty IC for Anders in DA2, particularly when you remember that Justice isn't around at all. So, yeah, it does fit. But I do wish that they had him having a bit more snark in Act I, or that we'd somehow gotten to see him briefly before he got posessed by Justice, or...something. If we had more of snarky!Anders in the beginning I think it would've given his change throughout Act II and Act III even more empact.

(Disclaimer: Anders is one of my favorite characters, so I'm not trying to bash him or anything. Hopefully this doesn't come off as that.)

/back to lurking

There's actually a lot of snark going on in Act 1. Keep Anders in your party with -- well anyone, really and he'll snark (Varric and Isabela are good for this, but there are also quite a few for everyone else, too, there just also tends to be a lot of hostility). Engage him as a "purple" Hawke and you'll sometimes get a response as well. 

It's kinda like secret snark. And there is a change. As I said, Varric is really good for getting some funny bits out of Anders. In Act 1 and 2, they have quite the comedy act going on. But in act 3, when Varric tries to interact wtih Anders, he shuts him down. 

A lot of the story is there, in the details that you might miss by not taking a really long time to do things. I'm a slow player and I talk to all the npcs all the time, but even I missed stuff. If you haven't, look up danaduchy on youtube. She has a metric **** ton of videos up with sooo many of the audio files. 

[nirvana6794]

Pretty much any way you slice it, Anders is ****ed-up no matter what.  I remember being a little weirded out by him at first, too, and going back and replaying Awakening now casts him in a totally different light.  I mean, there's that theory floating around that DA2 was written before Origins was even out yet , and that DAO was pretty much a prologue and introduction to DA2, which is the actual story being told.  That would mean that Anders was already long established as who he is in DA2 and they needed a way to introduce him in a sympathetic light that wouldn't totally obscure some of his key motivations and issues while making them apparent.  

That's why I don't understand when people complain about how they "killed his character"; if anything, they massacred the player's expectations for him, but not his character.  The fact that he's a spirit healer was probably intentional character development, too, because healers open themselves up to spiritual influence to do their magic (no pun intended), and clearly Anders was more than a little open to the idea of letting a spirit into him when Justice made him the offer.

Justice was ripped out of the black-and-white moral reality of the Fade and thrust into the gray and grey reality of Thedas, forced into the body of a dead man, and inadvertantly feeling the residual emotions of that man--in Awakening, Justice begins to have some actual emotional growth and development, and that's before he's in Anders' body.  By the time they merge, Justice is already compromised and Anders's emotions amplified that tenfold.  

I personally think his year in solitary is more important than anyone gives it credit for (the common fan consensus seems to be that it made him claustrophobc and afraid of the dark and made him vulnerable to abuse at the hands of templars).  Solitary confinement is exceedingly dangerous to a person's mental and emotional health even when they aren't already ill in some other way (I'm of the mind that Anders was always lacking in some level of relative normalcy because we've never been shown otherwise).  

I have to run out for a bit and I can't really get into this as much as I should, but I'll elaborate more later.

[Kawamura]

The statement on solitary confinement is probably true. When Anders talks about it, he brushes it aside, but I'm still on that kinda weirded out feeling about how he talked about Mr. Wiggums.

It's hard to explain. It's just how this one living thing that he came in contact with became like a person to him. Sorta like that stupid ball in Castaway.

And the cat died. He became possessed and the Templars killed him.

Modifié par Kawamura, 19 décembre 2011 - 01:50 .

[Gyrefalcon]

Deviant Ingredient wrote...

I do it right before the mess with the Arishok in act 2. I've also never gotten the carta banter about Sandal's possible heritage. Anyone got that?

(I'm going to cover a lot of ground here, please bear with me!)

1)  @Deviant Ingrediant:  I don't think I have!  What was the conversation/information about Sandal's heritage?

2)  @All:  Has anyone noticed that the corrupted lyrium is red like the raw lyrium and the lyrium for the idol?  Lyrium is supposed to basically be solidified magic.  Could it be that red lyrium is not supposed to be red but correlates to the tainting of magic in the Black City?

3)  @All:  Although Anders was in solitary confinement I rather figured he was kept in his room, with a barred window rather than a windowless room.  Given the discussion about how few doors were around (from katiebour.tumblr.com came an extensive piece on this, I will quote a small part here.)  "They are forced into crowded quarters with 20-30 people (remember all the bunkbeds?) and no privacy.  No doors on the bathrooms, no closed areas for bathing...Even teh mages are crowded into rooms without doors, where three beds, separated by a wall or a bookshelf mock the convention of privacy."  I believe it was more like the social ostracism from the book "Valley of the Horses" where no one would look at you or respond to your voice.  

     This would make it easy for the cat, Mr. Wiggums, to wander in, especially since it was a quieter corner of the tower.  Since Anders wasn't forbidden interaction with the mouser, that cat was indeed his link to sanity.  That and likely reading and...writing.  It would allow him to interact with other voices than his own.  He could still hear people in the tower as well more than likely.  He could give more shape to the voices on the page via the voices in the tower going about their lives so close by but still so far away for him. 

    Thus, he was able to calm some of his fears in the Deep Roads by focusing on Sir-Pounce-A-Lot.  That the Wardens took Sir Pounce from him likely set him off pretty badly.  Here he was supposedly "free" of the tower and yet someone can randomly punish him again, even though he was doing what was asked of him.  And this time, they did worse than even what the tower committed upon him.  Add on the "templar watch" and he was likely close to reliving all those horrible days in the tower.  Not really surprising he would snap.

     And THAT is why he would be so willing to have Justice inside his head.  He could NEVER be put in complete solitary again.  He would never be alone again, and that I think is a bigger motivator for his character than even his freedom.  No one could tear this companion away from him.  Except it didn't turn out as he planned.  And that sent him spiraling down even more.  He mentions failing his friend more than once.  And we have the back-and-forth of him saying they are one and at other times clearly delineating himself and Justice.  Perhaps he could be separated, but he utterly fears the concept and could not bring himself to do it even though he can see that his current state is untenantable.  Thus we have him at the end hoping to die to escape the predicament he has gotten himself into with hope towards restoring Justice to his former state and wholeness.  He accepts all the blame upon himself for everything that has gone wrong. 

     Which makes me wonder, we see Anders as broken, but is Anders actually one of the mentally strongest characters in the game if not the series but taxed beyond his limits?

     Thanks for putting up with the very long post.  I am about 1/3 of the way through the thread now from the beginning and have been bursting with ideas.  Oh, and I don't think I can use this one but I throw it out there for the crueler fanfic people:

(fem!Hawke x Anders)

Anders:  "Oh, hang in there Hawke, we're about to become parents!"
(Child is born with white hair and tanned skin along with semi-pointy ears.)
Anders:  "Um, Hawke, why does our child have pointed ears?  Oh no, all that time I was focused on keeping you from getting too involved with me and my plans for the Chantry drove you to seek solace with another!"
Anders' thoughts:  Fenris!
Hawke's thoughts:  Zevran!


Edit:  I saw on YouTube that Anders states he was kept in a TEMPLAR cell.  Thus, he was in proper solitary confinement not just a doorless room in the tower with a guard.  My apologies for any confusion or difficulties this caused.

Modifié par Gyrefalcon, 29 décembre 2011 - 05:19 .

[nirvana6794]

Gyrefalcon wrote...

2)  @All:  Has anyone noticed that the corrupted lyrium is red like the raw lyrium and the lyrium for the idol?  Lyrium is supposed to basically be solidified magic.  Could it be that red lyrium is not supposed to be red but correlates to the tainting of magic in the Black City?

The idol is made out of "corrupted/red lyrium", and the fandom only calls it lyrium because it's not clear what it is that the idol is actually made out of.  

Gyrefalcon wrote...

3)  @All:  Although Anders was in solitary confinement I rather figured he was kept in his room, with a barred window rather than a windowless room.... I believe it was more like the social ostracism from the book "Valley of the Horses" where no one would look at you or respond to your voice.  
    
This would make it easy for the cat, Mr. Wiggums, to wander in, especially since it was a quieter corner of the tower.  Since Anders wasn't forbidden interaction with the mouser, that cat was indeed his link to sanity.  That and likely reading and...writing.  It would allow him to interact with other voices than his own.  He could still hear people in the tower as well more than likely.  He could give more shape to the voices on the page via the voices in the tower going about their lives so close by but still so far away for him. 

All evidence is contrary to that, though.  Anders expressly says that there were days when he only ever saw Mr. Wiggums, which would mean he wasn't confined to quarters where he'd be in fairly close contact with other people. The whole point of solitary confinement is to break a person, and that's pretty much impossible to do if you're only being shunned.  That's not solitary confinement at all even in a vague sense.

Solitary confinement is torture by sensory deprivation, which means he wouldn't hear or see or smell anyone but himself for the duration of his sentence.  Chances are he only ever saw Mr. Wiggums at a distance, and he definitely didn't have anything to read or write with/on.  He spent a year n a dark cell in the dungeon or the ramparts, far from everyone else in the tower, and the only human interaction would come from when he was brought food and the chamber pot was cleaned, and even then he never saw whomever that was (it was standard practice to put a heavy black sack over the head of an inmate in solitary to dampen sound and block their vision whenever they had to be out of their cell until the 1970s, and since the game takes place in what's pretty much the Dark Ages it's safe to assume that holds true because of how notoriously brutal torture was at the time).

That was his existance for an entire year, which they probably didn't expect him to survive anyway.  Everyone probably expected him to commit suicide or become an abomination.  Imagine how everyone reacted to him when he was released: he probably looked like death warmed over.  He was probably in shock.  He probably couldn't even speak or stand to be in bright light for days before he readjusted to life outside his cell, and even then he would be pretty emotionally crippled by the experience for the rest of his life.  

Gyrefalcon wrote...

    Thus, he was able to calm some of his fears in the Deep Roads by focusing on Sir-Pounce-A-Lot.  That the Wardens took Sir Pounce from him likely set him off pretty badly.  Here he was supposedly "free" of the tower and yet someone can randomly punish him again, even though he was doing what was asked of him.  And this time, they did worse than even what the tower committed upon him.  Add on the "templar watch" and he was likely close to reliving all those horrible days in the tower.  Not really surprising he would snap.

     And THAT is why he would be so willing to have Justice inside his head.  He could NEVER be put in complete solitary again.  He would never be alone again, and that I think is a bigger motivator for his character than even his freedom.  No one could tear this companion away from him.  Except it didn't turn out as he planned.  And that sent him spiraling down even more.  He mentions failing his friend more than once.  And we have the back-and-forth of him saying they are one and at other times clearly delineating himself and Justice.  Perhaps he could be separated, but he utterly fears the concept and could not bring himself to do it even though he can see that his current state is untenantable.  Thus we have him at the end hoping to die to escape the predicament he has gotten himself into with hope towards restoring Justice to his former state and wholeness.  He accepts all the blame upon himself for everything that has gone wrong. 

Which makes me wonder, we see Anders as broken, but is Anders actually one of the mentally strongest characters in the game if not the series but taxed beyond his limits?

Word of Gaider says Anders can be separated from Justice, but there's too much attachment and fear between the two of them for it to go smoothly if it were ever to happen.  

I agree with your points about Pounce and Anders having a lot of guilt over the whole Justice-Vengeance debacle, and I both agree and disagree with you on the matter of his being broken.  To me, he's totally fractured, and he may crack some more and chip a little, but he'll never quite shatter, like tempered glass.  He has the most mental fortitude by far, at the very least.

@Kawamura:  Is it so unreasonable that Anders wouldn't attach some bizarre emotions to the only living thing he had contact with during his imprisonment?  Sure it's creepy and unhealthy, but imagine how much worse off he would've been if the cat never came across him and he had no one to validate his existance or react to him anymore (and Anders pretty much does the same thing with Hawke by latching on to the first person to validate him after he's become emotionally, physically, and socially isolated from the people around him).  He's needy like that, probably because of his time in solitary and his parents throwing him away for being "cursed".

[Gyrefalcon]

@Nirvana6794: Being kept in your room away from the other mages would still be solitary confinement. I rather expect he had a templar guard posted to insure he did not get to interact with others. However, it does not mean they wanted to torture him with sensory deprivation as well. The tower is supposed to be a mage haven not simply a prison. There are penalties for misbehavior, but the templars were not needlessly cruel to their charges. Inciting mages to riot is not a good idea, much as the templars are about to discover for DA3 it seems!
@All: Other nifty things

1) In talking to Cullen during one playthrough I think I clicked on the "whom do you think the Grand Cleric will support" or somesuch. His response was along the lines of, "It's cruel how the Grand Cleric leads the mages on, making them think they could rebel." I was rather in shock that he called her cruel and that she appeared to be egging the mages on as well. So I'll leave that tidbit for those trying to puzzle out Elthina.

2) I happened to click on the poison seller in Darktown with my mage!Hawke during Act 3 around "Best Served Cold"/"The Last Straw" and he said something close to: "Careful, I've heard that the templars are gunning for you."

I don't tend to play with poisons and lucked into this tidbit. Has anyone else gotten that?

It makes Anders quote: "I would drown us in blood to see you safe," fit even more if he had that information and decided he had no more time to wait because Hawke was in danger at last. I had assumed it was because the mage underground had collapsed and the last members were dead, recaptured, or had turned to blood magic. He was the last one still around and there was a warrant out for his arrest. Maybe some of column A and some of column B?

Also on that note: Could Anders secretly be a priest of Sekhmet? She had a thing for rivers of enemies and blood as well. He really loves cats a lot....

Edit:  On a funnier note, can you imagine being a shopkeeper in Kirkwall.  First you feel bad for Hawke, the little Ferelden trying to make a buck and buy those broken bows and torn trousers.  Later Hawke has made good, but keeps bringing you bags of pebbles and empty stained bottles and you think, aww, old habits die hard, the poor kid hasn't realized he/she has it made yet.  Then Hawke kills the looters and loots their bodies on route to fight the Arishok and then shows up all smiling to trade in broken swords and woven bracelets.  That's when you realize this person must be crazy and you had better dole out some cash before said person gets upset again, this time with you!  (I find the weird treasure bits so very odd in this game.)

Modifié par Gyrefalcon, 19 décembre 2011 - 07:22 .

[Deviant Ingredient]

@Gyrefalcon: Apparently some Carta thugs in Legacy mention that Sandal might be a bastard Aeducan.

@All: I've been doing a lot of research on Solitary Confinement for my fanfic and if you read all the inmates reports on it you can see how it fits Anders perfectly. Some mention how after awhile, what would be quiet sounds to us such as a drip or muffled noises from the other side of the door become unbearably loud to those in confinement. Some would create entire new worlds in their minds to pass the time and end up in a catatonic state. Some actually develope heart palpatations even. Almost all admit that when they're released back into society that they feel paranoid, unsure of their place, and in extreme cases seeking to go back into confinement.

Poor Anders suffers from so much. Abandonment, codependency, bipolar, PTSD, possibly dyslexic in some theories...

[nirvana6794]

Deviant Ingredient wrote...

I've been doing a lot of research on Solitary Confinement for my fanfic and if you read all the inmates reports on it you can see how it fits Anders perfectly. Some mention how after awhile, what would be quiet sounds to us such as a drip or muffled noises from the other side of the door become unbearably loud to those in confinement. Some would create entire new worlds in their minds to pass the time and end up in a catatonic state. Some actually develope heart palpatations even. Almost all admit that when they're released back into society that they feel paranoid, unsure of their place, and in extreme cases seeking to go back into confinement.

Poor Anders suffers from so much. Abandonment, codependency, bipolar, PTSD, possibly dyslexic in some theories...

That's more my point; seeing as there are different definitions of solitary confinement (I've only ever come across the example I used, but that's only my experience), what it comes down to is that the psychological effects are always the same.  People get anxious even when they stay home for a few days and don't interact with anyone else.  Your sense of time gets messed up in solitary, too, especially if it's dark in your cell all the time--there are accounts of people being locked up for two days and coming out as badly traumatised as people locked up for months and years.

I know he's canonically a bad speller, but dyslexic?  I've never heard that one before. 

[brightblueink]

Kawamura wrote...

brightblueink wrote...

/delurks

I actually was (am?) one of the people that DID find the change jarring between the two games...partially because of his intro, I think. While it makes sense from an in-character perspective, it felt a little weird to me that the first bits we see of him is pretty much deep in "serious mode". With lots of glowing.

That being said, I just looked up a few clips on YouTube to see if I was remembering what he was like in Awakenings well enough, and some clips--particularly this one--do sound like they could be pretty IC for Anders in DA2, particularly when you remember that Justice isn't around at all. So, yeah, it does fit. But I do wish that they had him having a bit more snark in Act I, or that we'd somehow gotten to see him briefly before he got posessed by Justice, or...something. If we had more of snarky!Anders in the beginning I think it would've given his change throughout Act II and Act III even more empact.

(Disclaimer: Anders is one of my favorite characters, so I'm not trying to bash him or anything. Hopefully this doesn't come off as that.)

/back to lurking

There's actually a lot of snark going on in Act 1. Keep Anders in your party with -- well anyone, really and he'll snark (Varric and Isabela are good for this, but there are also quite a few for everyone else, too, there just also tends to be a lot of hostility). Engage him as a "purple" Hawke and you'll sometimes get a response as well. 

It's kinda like secret snark. And there is a change. As I said, Varric is really good for getting some funny bits out of Anders. In Act 1 and 2, they have quite the comedy act going on. But in act 3, when Varric tries to interact wtih Anders, he shuts him down. 

A lot of the story is there, in the details that you might miss by not taking a really long time to do things. I'm a slow player and I talk to all the npcs all the time, but even I missed stuff. If you haven't, look up danaduchy on youtube. She has a metric **** ton of videos up with sooo many of the audio files. 

I romanced Anders on my first playthrough, so he was in the party the majority of the time (and I had Varric in the party the entire time), and I was playing a snarky Hawke, so I saw a lot of that dialogue, actually. It's not that I think there wasn't a change, just that I think if he had been more snarky in Act I, and about the same level he was in Act II, then the change in Act III would've been more dramatic. I think it would've hammered home that, yes, it really IS the same character as in Awakenings, just changed by Justice and his own experiences/choices.

I guess I just wish it was more obvious overall. But maybe that would've been too anvilicious, I don't know.

nirvana6794 wrote...

Pretty much any way you slice it,
Anders is ****ed-up no matter what.  I remember being a little weirded
out by him at first, too, and going back and replaying Awakening now
casts him in a totally different light.  I mean, there's that theory
floating around that DA2 was written before Origins was even out yet ,
and that DAO was pretty much a prologue and introduction to DA2, which
is the actual story being told.  That would mean that Anders was already
long established as who he is in DA2 and they needed a way to introduce
him in a sympathetic light that wouldn't totally obscure some of his
key motivations and issues while making them apparent. 

I don't personally believe that theory--if that was the case, I don't think they would've allowed you to kill off key players like Anders and Lelianna. (Plus, I recently reread some of the comments from Gaider and the other writers in the different topics around here, and I think I remember one of them--maybe Gaider himself?--saying that Anders was brought back because people liked him so much. I'm not 100% sure, though, so take that with a grain of salt.) I wouldn't be surprised if Gaider took some of the stuff that was written for Anders and Justice in Awakenings as inspiration for what he'd be like in DA2, though. A lot of his stuff does clearly build on things from Awakenings.

I do agree that Anders was always a pretty disturbed guy, though. It's more obvious in DA2, sure, but as other people pointed out, he already seems to barely consider the Templars human. When you add on the solitary confinement, the taint, and Justice, it's really no wonder that he does end up pretty crazy.

nirvana6794 wrote...
I know he's canonically a bad speller, but dyslexic?

Whoa! Wait, forgive my ignorance, but canonically a bad speller? When was this mentioned? Not that I don't believe you, I just don't remember this, so either I've forgotten or I've missed this information before.

[SurelyForth]

Hawke can joke about Anders' horrible spelling in Mark of the Assassin.

And I'd bet my life savings that Dragon Age 2 was written well after Origins and probably not until Awakening was in production. From Gaider's quote about Anders to Sheryl Chee writing Isabela as a one off character that she did not know would pop up again, all signs point to a more linear process.

[Fox In The Box]

@brightblueink - I'm not sure, but I think it was in MotA, where you're hunting down the books of someone who's writing an unauthorized sequel to Varric's "Hard in Hightown", Hawke says something along the lines of "These have worse spelling than Anders' manifesto."

EDIT: Agh, too slow! What did Gaider say about Anders?

Modifié par Fox In The Box, 19 décembre 2011 - 04:47 .

[Sialater]

nirvana6794 wrote...
All evidence is contrary to that, though.  Anders expressly says that there were days when he only ever saw Mr. Wiggums, which would mean he wasn't confined to quarters where he'd be in fairly close contact with other people. The whole point of solitary confinement is to break a person, and that's pretty much impossible to do if you're only being shunned.  That's not solitary confinement at all even in a vague sense.

Solitary confinement is torture by sensory deprivation, which means he wouldn't hear or see or smell anyone but himself for the duration of his sentence.  Chances are he only ever saw Mr. Wiggums at a distance, and he definitely didn't have anything to read or write with/on.  He spent a year n a dark cell in the dungeon or the ramparts, far from everyone else in the tower, and the only human interaction would come from when he was brought food and the chamber pot was cleaned, and even then he never saw whomever that was (it was standard practice to put a heavy black sack over the head of an inmate in solitary to dampen sound and block their vision whenever they had to be out of their cell until the 1970s, and since the game takes place in what's pretty much the Dark Ages it's safe to assume that holds true because of how notoriously brutal torture was at the time).

That was his existance for an entire year, which they probably didn't expect him to survive anyway.  Everyone probably expected him to commit suicide or become an abomination.  Imagine how everyone reacted to him when he was released: he probably looked like death warmed over.  He was probably in shock.  He probably couldn't even speak or stand to be in bright light for days before he readjusted to life outside his cell, and even then he would be pretty emotionally crippled by the experience for the rest of his life.  

I agree.  Anyone arguing against full solitary confinement needs to revisit the mage origin(s).  When you go looking for Jowan's phylactery, there are dozens of cells down there.  Some look like they've been converted to living quaters, yes.  Others have piles of bones and rags in them you can loot for equipment and pennies.  My guess is, Anders is in one of those.  Just not in the section you're wandering around.

THAT's where Anders was held.  It's also possible he was held there while Uldred had his uprising since you cannot open that door when you go back.

Modifié par Sialater, 19 décembre 2011 - 08:54 .

[Gyrefalcon]

Sialater wrote...


I agree.  Anyone arguing against full solitary confinement needs to revisit the mage origin(s).  When you go looking for Jowan's phylactery, there are dozens of cells down there.  Some look like they've been converted to living quaters, yes.  Others have piles of bones and rags in them you can loot for equipment and pennies.  My guess is, Anders is in one of those.  Just not in the section you're wandering around.

THAT's where Anders was held.  It's also possible he was held there while Uldred had his uprising since you cannot open that door when you go back.

Ah, you're right.  It has been quite a long time since I last visited DA:  Origins.  I thought those cells were at the bottom of the Arl's keep.  I am quite tempted to do another playthough of the series with all the information I have now to see how it looks from the new perspective.  Ander's DA:  Awakenings quotes on YouTube do indeed take on a different cast when viewed backward through the lens of DA2.

[Deviant Ingredient]

@Slalater: I do think he was locked up when Uldred did his thing because he mentions how Mr Wiggums got posssessed by a rage demon and killed some Templars. Also some dialogue in DA2 points to that being the case.

[Deviant Ingredient]

@nirvana6794: Oh and and as far as the dyslexia thing goes with Anders, it's merely a theory. Many people with dyslexia suffer from anxiety disorders such as chronic depression or bipolar. It wouldn't surprise me if he did have it.

[nirvana6794]

(posting from mobile, will react properly to other comments later)

i think it's pretty hilarious that he sucks at spelling, especially when my headcanon has him pegged for being a stickler for grammar and syntax. people who are total snobs about that stuff and still terrible spellers make me smile. at the same time, i think most of the manifesto is written during manic episodes or with justice behind the wheel, so that might explain anders' horrible spelling, too.

[Gyrefalcon]

We have to be getting close to the top of a new page so it's probably time to put up another Anders pic. This one is via Yukidama who caught an image of Anders making out with thin air. No better place to pop in the long-desired tabby kitten. ^-^  (Edit:  I am playing on a console so I have to rely on the kindness of others for screenshots.)


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[nirvana6794]

Gyrefalcon wrote...


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Anders: "Who's a cute widdle kitty?  You are Lady Fuzzywumpkins, yes you are!" <3

[Jean]

is Anders mentioned in the new novel at all?

[nixeleth]

As someone who suffers from dyslexia and depression, I can safely say that I either have to write very slowly to ensure that I don't make people wonder how I ever graduated high school (or at least rely on spellcheck on the computer to catch any unconscious mistakes I made). Which is amusing to me, because I am very much a stickler for spelling/grammar, so I do think Anders' horrible punctuation and spelling has more to do with Justice throes; you get the impression in the Circle that you have to write. A lot. Although, Anders didn't show up until he was older...

[nirvana6794]

(mobile again)

anders makes a point of saying children are taken to the circle before they learn their letters, so i guess it's possible anders might not have learned to read or write before going to the circle, which would make him more likely to struggle with the finer points of writing mechanics because he was already adolescent by then, but i fall into the "blame justice" camp myself. i have this mental image of anders rereading the manifesto after a bout of being possessed and groaning.

[nixeleth]

I say this is why some of his pages wind up in the fireplace. Which apparently resembles a mineshaft...