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[The Librarian]

ladyshamen wrote...

motomoto, I have your back on this one. Haters aren't happy unless they're hating.

Yes, because the moment a person don't agree with your view on a charcter you actumatically turn into a hater....
Makes perfect sence <_____<

[CuriousArtemis]

The Librarian wrote...

Yes, because the moment a person don't agree with your view on a charcter you actumatically turn into a hater....
Makes perfect sence <_____<

I prefer not to respond to trolls, but you are not being trolly 

The situation was that someone entered the Anders thread and proceeded to advocate violent action against the character.  The person repeatedly expressed hatred for the character, as well.

This is rather inappropriate because this is the one thread within the entire BW forums where players who love Anders can come and talk about why they love him.  Myriad other threads would have been a more appropriate venue for this person to express his/her opinion.

This his/her actions did in fact make it fair to refer to him/her as ... a hater. 

Modifié par motomotogirl, 17 janvier 2012 - 07:59 .

[slyborg]

 

Anders has his hair down, sleeves rolled up, waiting to take down haters. By WildBara

[CuriousArtemis]

slyborg wrote...

 *frakking AWESOME HOT SEXY PIC snipped*

Anders has his hair down, sleeves rolled up, waiting to take down haters. By WildBara

OMG!!!!!!!!! <3:O<3

[slyborg]

Her work is so lovely and I am mad jealous of her technique. And dat hair.

[The Librarian]

motomotogirl wrote...

I prefer not to respond to trolls, but you are not being trolly 

The situation was that someone entered the Anders thread and proceeded to advocate violent action against the character.  The person repeatedly expressed hatred for the character, as well.

This is rather inappropriate because this is the one thread within the entire BW forums where players who love Anders can come and talk about why they love him.  Myriad other threads would have been a more appropriate venue for this person to express his/her opinion.

This his/her actions did in fact make it fair to refer to him/her as ... a hater. 

I'm sorry. You got me confused here....
Are we not alowed to voice our opinions on Ander in the Anders thread any more? Are we just aloweed to proclaim our undying love for him or sodd of? 

I do not hate Anders. And in Awekening I loved that funny mage. But I can't excuse his actions or views. Does that make me a hater towards him? I think not. 

So please do not accuse any one for trolling for voicing their own opinion about Anders in the Anders thread. No matter what the opinion might be. Or hater for that part. Mine and some other opinions on Anders might be a minority, but we are still alowed to voice them yes?

[CuriousArtemis]

The Librarian wrote...

So please do not accuse any one for trolling for voicing their own opinion about Anders in the Anders thread. No matter what the opinion might be. Or hater for that part. Mine and some other opinions on Anders might be a minority, but we are still alowed to voice them yes?

Sigh.  Last time I'm going to respond to this issue.

This IS the Anders thread.  So, yes, politeness dictates that one would not enter this thread with the sole purpose of maligning his character, in Awakenings or in DA2.  

I ask you to also take into account the "tone" of the troll person's comments.  They were not presented thoughtfully or respectfully, inviting conversation and discussion.  

And thirdly, many people in this thread did not agree with Anders' actions and did, in fact, kill him.  That isn't the point.

This thread is a place for people who love Anders as a character to gather and talk about him.  That's really all there is to it.  

If you come here and talk abut how much you hate Anders, you are, by definition, a hater.  

I beg your pardon, but I'm not sure how else to explain it. 

[The Librarian]

As I did said I do not hate Anders. Emphasize not.
I just stopped like him as I did in awakening. And grew to be weary with him.
From funny sunshine to the terrorist did not work at all for me.

And I have not been impolite. Nor did I "maligning" Anders. I simply voiced my lowered opinion on him.
There is no rules that you have to be a die hard fan girl only claiming good things about him. This is a thread about Anders. Not just a special group of people with their own view on him. Or have I missed some announcement from the mods?

[ladyshamen]

@ Librarian - It's OK for someone to disagree with me. The point is this is not a DISCUSSION , it's an argument. I can't believe it's still going on. And I didn't point you out, you shouldn't take my comment as one directed at you.
I can say, thank goodness you don't have your head removed for making mistakes in RL!
That's all I'm saying on this subject. Let's move on.

[esper]

The Librarian wrote...

As I did said I do not hate Anders. Emphasize not.
I just stopped like him as I did in awakening. And grew to be weary with him.
From funny sunshine to the terrorist did not work at all for me.

And I have not been impolite. Nor did I "maligning" Anders. I simply voiced my lowered opinion on him.
There is no rules that you have to be a die hard fan girl only claiming good things about him. This is a thread about Anders. Not just a special group of people with their own view on him. Or have I missed some announcement from the mods?

Sigh, the argument with CZ was as much because of the agressiveness in his/her responeses.
But if you want to debate I know that I am not the only one who disagree with Anders being funny sunshine in awakeningne. It was a highly sarcastic facade covering over a lot of bittnerss. Still remember that one time I hit an anti-mage remark by ancident the snarky remark he came with was so poisness and bitter that was actually wary of him for the rest of the game.
Personally I prefer the sincere Anders in da2 even if he apperently feels everything times hundred. I know where I has him. I did not know that I awkening.

[CuriousArtemis]

Yeah, I sent a message to Librarian explaining the misunderstanding, that our frustration was directed towards CZ's responses and not his/hers

Modifié par motomotogirl, 17 janvier 2012 - 10:28 .

[esper]

Well, I suppose there is nothing more we can do. Though hopefully we can avoid discussion in the future that derives to put an axe through someones skull (shudders).

[Gyrefalcon]

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

esper wrote...

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

Anders should have been executed as an abomination. It would have been the genre savvy thing to do. When someone accosts you with a super-deep demonic voice, they're not commenting on the weather.

Only genre-sawvy person is Varric and perhaps Isabella a litte and he likes Anders. Also genre-savy is not realistic at all since real life very seldom to never form as a story, espcially fantasy stories set in a timeline way beefore ours.

Hawke has grown up with mages in his family, who doubtlessly told him what an abomination is. Hence why seeing a guy have a freak out, start talking with a demon voice, and threaten him with a spear and not responding to that by putting a rabid animal down is just stupid. All Hawke really needed were some maps of the Deep Roads, not his personal expertise.

Then why didn't you just have him leave your party earlier?  There is a point, if you rival him, where he will ask if you want him to leave.  Problem solved. 

Oh, and the "demon voice"?  I always thought Justice sounded like the announcer from the Mortal Combat games.  Listen to him in the Fade and imagine the voice yelling, "Sunday, Sunday, Sunday!  Huge monster truck rally, be there!"  And see if the voice sounds kind of familiar.  I am not afraid of a monster truck rally announcer's voice. 

Edit:  Even when I refresh my computer notices new pages waaaay later than I expect.  Sorry if I was replying to a dead topic there.

Well, someone was looking for the non-dead Anders fan video.  This is from earlier and ends happily.  And I do believe that "Heavy (in Your Arms)" also has Anders alive at the end.  Enjoy.  ^-^

Modifié par Gyrefalcon, 18 janvier 2012 - 12:48 .

[CrimsonZephyr]

Gyrefalcon wrote...

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

esper wrote...

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

Anders should have been executed as an abomination. It would have been the genre savvy thing to do. When someone accosts you with a super-deep demonic voice, they're not commenting on the weather.

Only genre-sawvy person is Varric and perhaps Isabella a litte and he likes Anders. Also genre-savy is not realistic at all since real life very seldom to never form as a story, espcially fantasy stories set in a timeline way beefore ours.

Hawke has grown up with mages in his family, who doubtlessly told him what an abomination is. Hence why seeing a guy have a freak out, start talking with a demon voice, and threaten him with a spear and not responding to that by putting a rabid animal down is just stupid. All Hawke really needed were some maps of the Deep Roads, not his personal expertise.

Then why didn't you just have him leave your party earlier?  There is a point, if you rival him, where he will ask if you want him to leave.  Problem solved. 

Oh, and the "demon voice"?  I always thought Justice sounded like the announcer from the Mortal Combat games.  Listen to him in the Fade and imagine the voice yelling, "Sunday, Sunday, Sunday!  Huge monster truck rally, be there!"  And see if the voice sounds kind of familiar.  I am not afraid of a monster truck rally announcer's voice. 

Edit:  Even when I refresh my computer notices new pages waaaay later than I expect.  Sorry if I was replying to a dead topic there.

Well, someone was looking for the non-dead Anders fan video.  This is from earlier and ends happily.  And I do believe that "Heavy (in Your Arms)" also has Anders alive at the end.  Enjoy.  ^-^

Why let an abomination walk the streets of Kirkwall? Hawke should have lured him to the Gallows, where his street urchin friends couldn't protect him, scream "Abomination!" and then cut him down pronto. Problem solved.

[Gyrefalcon]

Sialater wrote...



I just realized this pic is very much prophetic.

ETA:  He won't be dying in my games.  He needs to live in the world he just screwed up and see what his "justice" wrought.  Whichever one was in charge at the time.

This is a great pic posted by Sialater.  Here we have Anders, head bowed, hands bound, awaiting our judgement.  And it gets back to the point of this thread:  Anders.  I rather agree with Sialater that Anders should have to see what his actions have wrought.  I have had !Hawkes that wanted to turn Anders in to the City Guard after quelling the 2 rioting factions and some that did not want to kill him because as a friend or lover they felt responsible for his actions getting out of hand.  Others because they had lost everything else and a cold keep would be less desirable than a living lover.  And yet others that have killed Anders either for his actions or because he would not side with the templars.  In the end, I liked some playthroughs better than others. 

But I still hold the conviction that had the developers allowed the Player to decide whether or not to blow up the Chantry, there would not be much, if any, outcry.  In the game the PC slaughters all kinds of people, even innocent mages and templars trying to find a way to improve everyone's lot together peacefully, but there is little to no outcry about that.  There is a ton of hubbabaloo about Anders blowing up the Chantry-because he does it without the PC.  And thus, they gave more life to this character than players are used to.  It feels like the game may not be about the PC at all but rather it is Ander's story and that we, in the end, are the lackey.  And I love it! 

I give the creators SO MUCH CREDIT for writing realistically flawed characters.  They seem far more human than any of the characters in the Elder Scrolls or Fable series.  The good and evil in the games are characatured instead of being about true human nature.  This is a step towards deeper story telling, and love him or hate him, Anders manages to cause a viceral reaction in most everyone.  THAT IS AN AMAZING THING TO SAY ABOUT A VIDEO GAME CHARACTER!  I do think this game elevates the medium to the same level as movies or books.  

Usually people talk about what they did in a video game.  Here people are talking about what A CHARACTER did in a video game!  It's like reading about Harry Dresden in the Dresden Files books or talking about Kaiser Söze from the movie "The Usual Suspects".  It is an incredible leap forward in the legitimacizing of games as a true story-telling medium.

And that is why this thread lauds the character.  He has moved us.  For good or ill, he has affected us and we love it.  We were no longer outside the story, we were truly engaged.  And that is what brings us back time and again.  Viva la revolution!  Viva l'Anders!

[CuriousArtemis]

 Talk about visceral reactions ... Anders bound and shirtless!!! 

I know; I'm shallow.  I'm probably one of the few who was just like, oh, when the Chantry blew up.  Partly because I still wasn't sure what "The Chantry" was (new to Dragon Age) and partly because I was spoiled and knew he was gong to blow SOMETHING up.

I still want to hug him so bad when he's sitting there, awaiting judgment, rocking faintly back and forth 

[nirvana6794]

Gyrefalcon wrote...

This is a great pic posted by Sialater.  Here we have Anders, head bowed, hands bound, awaiting our judgement.  And it gets back to the point of this thread:  Anders.  I rather agree with Sialater that Anders should have to see what his actions have wrought.  I have had !Hawkes that wanted to turn Anders in to the City Guard after quelling the 2 rioting factions and some that did not want to kill him because as a friend or lover they felt responsible for his actions getting out of hand.  Others because they had lost everything else and a cold keep would be less desirable than a living lover.  And yet others that have killed Anders either for his actions or because he would not side with the templars.  In the end, I liked some playthroughs better than others. 

But I still hold the conviction that had the developers allowed the Player to decide whether or not to blow up the Chantry, there would not be much, if any, outcry.  In the game the PC slaughters all kinds of people, even innocent mages and templars trying to find a way to improve everyone's lot together peacefully, but there is little to no outcry about that.  There is a ton of hubbabaloo about Anders blowing up the Chantry-because he does it without the PC.  And thus, they gave more life to this character than players are used to.  It feels like the game may not be about the PC at all but rather it is Ander's story and that we, in the end, are the lackey.  And I love it! 

I give the creators SO MUCH CREDIT for writing realistically flawed characters.  They seem far more human than any of the characters in the Elder Scrolls or Fable series.  The good and evil in the games are characatured instead of being about true human nature.  This is a step towards deeper story telling, and love him or hate him, Anders manages to cause a viceral reaction in most everyone.  THAT IS AN AMAZING THING TO SAY ABOUT A VIDEO GAME CHARACTER!  I do think this game elevates the medium to the same level as movies or books.  

Usually people talk about what they did in a video game.  Here people are talking about what A CHARACTER did in a video game!  It's like reading about Harry Dresden in the Dresden Files books or talking about Kaiser Söze from the movie "The Usual Suspects".  It is an incredible leap forward in the legitimacizing of games as a true story-telling medium.

And that is why this thread lauds the character.  He has moved us.  For good or ill, he has affected us and we love it.  We were no longer outside the story, we were truly engaged.  And that is what brings us back time and again.  Viva la revolution!  Viva l'Anders!

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS

Modifié par nirvana6794, 18 janvier 2012 - 05:11 .

[BevH]

Gyrefalcon wrote...

Sialater wrote...



I just realized this pic is very much prophetic.

ETA:  He won't be dying in my games.  He needs to live in the world he just screwed up and see what his "justice" wrought.  Whichever one was in charge at the time.

This is a great pic posted by Sialater.  Here we have Anders, head bowed, hands bound, awaiting our judgement.  And it gets back to the point of this thread:  Anders.  I rather agree with Sialater that Anders should have to see what his actions have wrought.  I have had !Hawkes that wanted to turn Anders in to the City Guard after quelling the 2 rioting factions and some that did not want to kill him because as a friend or lover they felt responsible for his actions getting out of hand.  Others because they had lost everything else and a cold keep would be less desirable than a living lover.  And yet others that have killed Anders either for his actions or because he would not side with the templars.  In the end, I liked some playthroughs better than others. 

But I still hold the conviction that had the developers allowed the Player to decide whether or not to blow up the Chantry, there would not be much, if any, outcry.  In the game the PC slaughters all kinds of people, even innocent mages and templars trying to find a way to improve everyone's lot together peacefully, but there is little to no outcry about that.  There is a ton of hubbabaloo about Anders blowing up the Chantry-because he does it without the PC.  And thus, they gave more life to this character than players are used to.  It feels like the game may not be about the PC at all but rather it is Ander's story and that we, in the end, are the lackey.  And I love it! 

I give the creators SO MUCH CREDIT for writing realistically flawed characters.  They seem far more human than any of the characters in the Elder Scrolls or Fable series.  The good and evil in the games are characatured instead of being about true human nature.  This is a step towards deeper story telling, and love him or hate him, Anders manages to cause a viceral reaction in most everyone.  THAT IS AN AMAZING THING TO SAY ABOUT A VIDEO GAME CHARACTER!  I do think this game elevates the medium to the same level as movies or books.  

Usually people talk about what they did in a video game.  Here people are talking about what A CHARACTER did in a video game!  It's like reading about Harry Dresden in the Dresden Files books or talking about Kaiser Söze from the movie "The Usual Suspects".  It is an incredible leap forward in the legitimacizing of games as a true story-telling medium.

And that is why this thread lauds the character.  He has moved us.  For good or ill, he has affected us and we love it.  We were no longer outside the story, we were truly engaged.  And that is what brings us back time and again.  Viva la revolution!  Viva l'Anders!

Very prophetic artwork. It was created in 2010 and DA2 didn't come out until 2011.

[nos_astra]

Gyrefalcon wrote...
Then why didn't you just have him leave your party earlier?  There is a point, if you rival him, where he will ask if you want him to leave.  Problem solved.

A Hawke who believes Anders is a dangerous abomination would not want to see him run free, so sending him away doesn't solve anything.

[esper]

klarabella wrote...

Gyrefalcon wrote...
Then why didn't you just have him leave your party earlier?  There is a point, if you rival him, where he will ask if you want him to leave.  Problem solved.

A Hawke who believes Anders is a dangerous abomination would not want to see him run free, so sending him away doesn't solve anything.

But killing him in the clininc is simply suicidial because up till act 3 the refugees will act to protect him (I don't think there is so many of them left in act 3).

Anyway the simplest solutin is to say that roleplaying such a Hawke is simply not possible. No matter what Hawke seems to have a certain respect for Anders if nothing else his role amongst the refugee. It is just like the fact that it is not possible to leave Fereldan during da:o. Some things just are.

[Ryzaki]

esper wrote...

klarabella wrote...

Gyrefalcon wrote...
Then why didn't you just have him leave your party earlier?  There is a point, if you rival him, where he will ask if you want him to leave.  Problem solved.

A Hawke who believes Anders is a dangerous abomination would not want to see him run free, so sending him away doesn't solve anything.

But killing him in the clininc is simply suicidial because up till act 3 the refugees will act to protect him (I don't think there is so many of them left in act 3).

Anyway the simplest solutin is to say that roleplaying such a Hawke is simply not possible. No matter what Hawke seems to have a certain respect for Anders if nothing else his role amongst the refugee. It is just like the fact that it is not possible to leave Fereldan during da:o. Some things just are.

...As if Hawke can't kill a few refugees?

Hawke can go against a horde of well trained templars. I'm sure he/she can deal with a few refugees and yes several will backoff once he/she's killed a sufficent number. It's not suicidal in the least. Much less so than storming the deep roads (which Hawke actually does).

That said yes for some reason it is impossible to roleplay a Hawke that wants to turn in Anders to the chantry. I don't know why the devs didn't just give the *option* then have Anders vanish from the party (and same with Merrill) he doesn't have to actually be caught by said templars. Forced party restrictions is a weak excuse because the player chooses to lose out on the mages. Just one more aspect in choice that was severely lacking for me.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 janvier 2012 - 11:53 .

[AndreaDraco]

Hey thread, long time no see! I stumbled upon my favorite Anders fan-art and I thought I'd post it again!


By Sandara

[ladyofpayne]

[nirvana6794]

I SAW THAT BUST ON TUMBLR.  

But I blacked out my blog for the next 24-hours and I couldn't comment on it, so I will here.
HNNNGG THAT IS BEAUTIFUL.  The sculptor in me might've had heart palpitations upon seeing it.  It's spectacularly rendered and well-textured, and the attention to detail is astounding.  I'm seriously in love with awe of whoever did this, because it's a work of art.  

And Anders is so pretty asdfghsk