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[Koire]

Well, should they choose the second option (taint corrupts the spirit), I am not sure I will be glad to meet him) Although it would be a logical ending.

[CuriousArtemis]

So, last night I tried to kill Anders. I steeled myself -- I was going to really do it. I needed a pro-templar playthrough. You know, just to HAVE one, one to import into DA3 some day.

Well, as I hovered over the kill button, so to speak, I decided, okay, I'll kill Anders, but I won't side with the templars. I just can't kill all those people for no reason. But, Anders has to go, just this once. Just to see what happens.

Still waiting...

So I looked up a video on YouTube, thinking, okay, maybe if I watch someone else kill Anders, it will desensitize me to it and I'll be able to do it, too. So I find a nine minute video and watch it up until about eight minutes; Hawke pulls out the knife... I closed out the video.

Stared at the screen for about two and a half more minutes.

Oh hell.

Clicked "JOIN ME"

Sigh.

Anyone else have this problem?? lol

[Koire]

Sometimes a good story is not a happy one. I liked "what they did in DA2", it was not pleasant, no, but so true.

Modifié par Koire, 02 mars 2012 - 11:40 .

[BevH]

motomotogirl wrote...

So, last night I tried to kill Anders. I steeled myself -- I was going to really do it. I needed a pro-templar playthrough. You know, just to HAVE one, one to import into DA3 some day.

Well, as I hovered over the kill button, so to speak, I decided, okay, I'll kill Anders, but I won't side with the templars. I just can't kill all those people for no reason. But, Anders has to go, just this once. Just to see what happens.

Still waiting...

So I looked up a video on YouTube, thinking, okay, maybe if I watch someone else kill Anders, it will desensitize me to it and I'll be able to do it, too. So I find a nine minute video and watch it up until about eight minutes; Hawke pulls out the knife... I closed out the video.

Stared at the screen for about two and a half more minutes.

Oh hell.

Clicked "JOIN ME"

Sigh.

Anyone else have this problem?? lol

I actually did complete this for a "for science" run.

But of late I've had doubts as to whether Anders actually died. You see him smile, but no one ever really verifies that he's dead.

[LT123]

Can't remember which thread it was in, but there's a quote from Mr. Gaider floating around somewhere that says Anders really is dead if you kill him.

Edit: Also, for people who haven't seen it yet-new patch out fixing Legacy banters, among other things.

Modifié par LT123, 03 mars 2012 - 12:54 .

[berelinde]

Yes, I did a "for science run"... and then my computer ate it. Seriously, I got a hideous virus that forced me to wipe the entire hard drive and start over from scratch. I consider it a fitting punishment for having done such a terrible thing.

But yeah, ask any of the haters. If you killed Anders, he's dead.

[BevH]

Berlinde!!! *hugs* Sorry to hear about your computer problem. I've gone through a few of those myself.

LT123 wrote...

Can't remember which thread it was in, but there's a quote from Mr. Gaider floating around somewhere that says Anders really is dead if you kill him.

Edit: Also, for people who haven't seen it yet-new patch out fixing Legacy banters, among other things.

Yes, I'm aware of the Gaider quote, but since I didn't see him in the game, taking Anders' pulse, and shaking his head sadly as he proclaims Anders is dead *winkwinknudgenudge*, I think I'll go on wondering if Anders really died.
Besides, this is the DA universe... does anyone truly die... or stay dead for long???

[LT123]

I dug around a bit and found that thread. Hopefully the link works. http://social.biowar...ex/6864288&lf=8

Success!

Modifié par LT123, 03 mars 2012 - 04:33 .

[CuriousArtemis]

BevH wrote...

Yes, I'm aware of the Gaider quote, but since I didn't see him in the game, taking Anders' pulse, and shaking his head sadly as he proclaims Anders is dead *winkwinknudgenudge*, I think I'll go on wondering if Anders really died.
Besides, this is the DA universe... does anyone truly die... or stay dead for long???

Too right Look at all the enraged Zevran haters; people will not shut up about how they killed him in DA:O, so how can he appear in DA2?!  Dang, you have to really hate a character to be upset that he isn't DEAD *rofl*

But, oh, the point is, Zevran could've died, but they made it possible for him to return if he didn't, sooo I think the same will definitely happen for Anders.

And if they decide to bring Anders back into the plot of DA3 I seriously doubt a few offhand words here and there from DG will make them change their minds

[BevH]

A bit further down from the quote you cited is this:

TS2Aggie wrote...
With all due respect, Mr. Gaider, with the sheer amount of hand waving and retconning the company did in Dragon Age 2, it's perfectly valid to question whether or not a character that was killed off will actually stay dead, whether through design or via a bug.

And DG's reply:

I'm not sure about the "sheer amount" part, as even a little seems to be too much for some, but certainly it's valid to question. Whether or not we'll answer is a different matter-- as I said, we'll do whatever we feel is necessary even if that includes coming up with an explanation to bring a character back from the dead (as it were). Certainly some folks don't like that one bit, but then again some folks don't like anything.

So, I say again, it's the DA universe... anything can happen.

Modifié par BevH, 03 mars 2012 - 05:00 .

[LT123]

Alexa_ wrote...

Thank you LT123 for the link.

I don't have a problem with Anders staying dead if he was killed by Hawke ... but the statement in the link is already 11 months old ... and in the interview a few weeks ago, David Gaider said that the plans and the decisions are changing all the time ... so let's wait and see what they finally do.

You're welcome.

I prefer dead characters to stay that way, exempting ones with some supernatural reason for surviving or being resurrected, like Gandalf or the Nameless One in Planescape Torment. If Hawke stabs him, I'd like Anders to stay dead because a) he's not blue and glowing at the time it's the murderknife, seriously, c) I'm pretty sure even a Hawke who doesn't normally use daggers has a decent idea of how to kill someone with one, and d) hasn't the guy been though enough already?

I'm trying to think of DA characters who have actually come back to life after being killed by the player, and right now the only one I can think of is Leliana-I'm not sure about Wynne. Zevran, Sten, Nathaniel, Alistair, Velanna all stay dead. I've heard that Oghren can be killed, but I have no idea how you manage that

Leliana gets a pass in my book since a) I'm guessing almost everyone picks her up in Lothering unless they just didn't go in the tavern and the second time it's possible for her to die, you attack her in the same room as Thedas' equivalent of the Holy Grail. Granted, the ashes are tainted by that point, but hey, it's a temple to Andraste..

Did a dev mention if Leliana's survival there would be explained? Anybody kill off Wynne and then see her again outside the chantry in Amaranthine?

[Koire]

Wynne dies anyway in Asunder. So we will never see her in future games.

[Rosendahl]

Well, the chance of Anders playing a major role in DA3 can perhaps be slim. Since there's the chance that some have chosen to kill him in DA2, and some letting him live, will make it more possible that he only will have smaller appearances or maybe a single one only, like Alistair.

And about the dagger in the back killing him: it sure doesn't look like something that would kill anybody, and when also reading the line from Jennifer Hepler's story, where he takes a sword directly to the chest and gives a damn about it. But I guess the difference here might be, as also mentioned above, that he wishes to die at this point. Anders said that those innocent killed by his blow against the Chantry, also deserved justice for their deaths, and their justice would come by his death. Therefore Justice may also wish him to die at this point, as he serves to bring justice, in a way.

Personally I wish for him to be in DA3 and perhaps play a larger role. I mean, he was the one setting this in motion, or the first to strike a larger blow or symbolic one. I just wish some kind of epic revolution time with the mages, if you side with them, and Hawke and Anders standing by each others side and fights for freedom. But I guess that's a hopeless romantics thought, I sure do like it!

[Cantina]

Speaking of the Chantry….

Each time I play this game I refuse to kill Anders for his
actions because I believe what he did was right. Mages in Kirkwall are treated
far worse than other places and the Grand Cleric does nothing, but give
speeches and/or ignore the problem. If you speak to her, you can find out that
she does favor the templar’s and does not care that mages are being beaten, raped,
tortured and abducted.  The Chantry is
nothing but a brain washing institution that twists the words of Andraste and
uses it to invoke fear into people. Sure, mage’s can be dangerous but not all
mages are cruel people seeking to use blood magic.

I believe that what Anders did was mostly Justice’s plan all
along and I cannot blame Ander’s entirely for his actions. He wants to die at
the end because of what he did.  In a way,
I see this as being Justice who wants this too. He fulfilled his “duty” and now
he wants to go back to the Fade. Anders wants to die because he feels it is the
right thing to do when in fact (in my opinion) he did nothing wrong and I think
dying for such an act will not stop the upcoming war nor will it bring any
justice to those who lost their lives in the explosion.  For every life that was taken in the
destruction of the Chantry it is justice to every mage that was killed/made
tranquil under the abuses of the Templar’s and The Chantry. And I see that as
justice not the death of Ander’s.

I cannot fault Ander’s either for lying to me about the
potion, I understand why he lied to me. I cannot blame him for being selfish
for his actions either. I do not see how wanting to save every mage’s life from
the injustice of the templars is considered being selfish. In addition I do not
blame Ander’s either for being pushed to the actions he took. Meredith pretty
much pushed Mage’s to the breaking point, when you push hard enough, someone
will push back.

I still think the writing of the climax could have been
better and even allowed people the option to stop Ander’s completely for a different
outcome. However, in the end killing him does nothing and accomplishes nothing.
All it does is direct any anger you have for his actions and place the blame on
Ander’s when in fact the blame can be laid at the Chantry and Templar’s feet. IF
mage’s were treated better and not treated like garbage, I doubt Ander’s
actions for merging with Justice would have occurred which lead to the
destruction of the Chantry.

[Cantina]

Alexa_ wrote...

Your words are my thoughts. I did not kill him ... i just thought "that's what they deserved ..."
But the writers killed him ... most likely we will never see him again in the way we loved him ...

Yes, that is how I feel too, hun.

Would have been nice to romance the the smart ass, full of
life Anders from Awakening. I do not approve of his new attitude being
depressed and paranoid. I can over-look the new voice but taking Anders in a different
direction makes me depressed.

Is he ruined forever? No, I do not think so. I believe the
writers can bring Ander’s out of this abyss. Just depends on if they are
willing to bring back the Awakening Anders. In my opinion if they do, I believe
fans would be happy and willing to forget the Ander’s in DA 2.

I shall cross my fingers that down the road, the writers
wake up and separate Anders and Justice. I 
miss the old smart ass Anders, I really do.

Modifié par Cantina, 03 mars 2012 - 07:29 .

[Koire]

Cantina wrote...
Mages in Kirkwall are treated
far worse than other places and the Grand Cleric does nothing, but give
speeches and/or ignore the problem. If you speak to her, you can find out that
she does favor the templar’s and does not care that mages are being beaten, raped,
tortured and abducted.

This is a stretch. Elthina was the only one holding Meredith from using ROA and tearing Orsino and Co into tiny pieces. She is the part of the system, but as an individual she does at least some good things.

Modifié par Koire, 03 mars 2012 - 07:53 .

[Cantina]

Koire wrote...

Cantina wrote...
Mages in Kirkwall are treated
far worse than other places and the Grand Cleric does nothing, but give
speeches and/or ignore the problem. If you speak to her, you can find out that
she does favor the templar’s and does not care that mages are being beaten, raped,
tortured and abducted.

This is a stretch. Elthina was the only one holding Meredith from using ROA and tearing Orsino and Co into tiny pieces. She is the part of the system, but as an individual she does at least some good things.

Not a stretch at all. During the quest "Justice" if you speak to her, she clearly states she favors Templers over the Mages. This means is refuses to get her hands "dirty" and stop the injustice of Mages.

In order for a system to work you need to stop being so blind to how the Mage's are treated. I'd like to see how Elthina would like it if she was a mage, dragged out of her home in chains and taken to the Circle. Then a Templar, beats and rapes her. Then later a Templar accuses her Blood Magic just for sneezing and is made tranquil.

Elthina could have stepped in and stopped this before it went too far-but she didn't. She assumed a long speech on both sides would make the world full of rainbows and kittens again; but it just does not work like that.

She damned herself in the end and I am glad Anders had the balls to step up and do something about it.