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[Koire]

Cantina wrote...

I understand not everyone agrees with Ander’s actions, that
is his or her opinion.  I however do
agree with his actions.

Well, don't get me wrong, I actually agree with his actions, but I believe there is a gap between saying "Elthina did nothing at all and fully deserved her death" and "unfortunately Elthina's death was necessary". I'm in the second camp.

Hey, who changed the header? 

Modifié par Koire, 05 mars 2012 - 09:02 .

[Cantina]

Koire wrote...

Cantina wrote...

I understand not everyone agrees with Ander’s actions, that
is his or her opinion.  I however do
agree with his actions.

Well, don't get me wrong, I actually agree with his actions, but I believe there is a gap between saying "Elthina did nothing at all and fully deserved her death" and "unfortunately Elthina's death was necessary". I'm in the second camp.

Hey, who changed the header? 

No big gap. The problem is, she is...er was....apart of a corrupted brainwashed system. All I am saying is the "nothing" revolves around her stupid ideas of peace through speeches. That in my book is doing nothing.

Speaking of Fenyral.....I wonder....hmmm........if later on he might have a hand in helping Anders seperate himself from Justice.

Just a thought

Modifié par Cantina, 05 mars 2012 - 09:41 .

[Koire]

Cantina wrote...

No big gap. The problem is, she is...er was....apart of a corrupted brainwashed system. All I am saying is the "nothing" revolves around her stupid ideas of peace through speeches. That in my book is doing nothing.

I believe she did all she could, while not destroying the system. This is something she never wanted to do, it is true. This is something that was necessary, also true. But I shudder every time I hear that Elthina deserved her death. Anders himself thought that those who died in the explosion deserved justice.

Modifié par Koire, 05 mars 2012 - 10:24 .

[ladyshamen]

Koire , good question. Who did change it, and why?

[CuriousArtemis]

Was wondering that, too. I miss the cute sandwich quote! T_T

P.S. Does anyone else not really have an opinion on the whole CHANTRY GO BOOM thing?  I don't judge the characters; I just play the game (read the story).  My Hawke's all have different opinions and react differently to what Andy-poo does.  I just enjoy (and admire) the story.

Modifié par motomotogirl, 06 mars 2012 - 01:43 .

[Fox In The Box]

I assume that SurelyForth changed it. She's the one who started this thread. It has had quite a few headers in its lifetime, as far as I've seen - switching them out keeps things fresh, you know.

Modifié par Fox In The Box, 06 mars 2012 - 04:23 .

[Cantina]

Koire wrote...

Cantina wrote...

No big gap. The problem is, she is...er was....apart of a corrupted brainwashed system. All I am saying is the "nothing" revolves around her stupid ideas of peace through speeches. That in my book is doing nothing.

I believe she did all she could, while not destroying the system. This is something she never wanted to do, it is true. This is something that was necessary, also true. But I shudder every time I hear that Elthina deserved her death. Anders himself thought that those who died in the explosion deserved justice.

The way I see it is the people who died in the explosion, that is indeed justice. For each person who died, that is for any mage who was raped, beaten, tortured and or killed. There was no justice in killing Anders because he did nothing wrong.

Elthina deserved to die because she is a part of a corrupt system. It also sends a strong message to the templars we had enough of your crap. I honestly could not stand her through the whole game. Too damn flightly and beleived the Maker was going to swoop in and save the day <rolls eyes>.

Sorry but that's how I see it. (BTW, this converstation is rather interesting)

Modifié par Cantina, 06 mars 2012 - 07:21 .

[Rosendahl]

Cantina wrote...
The way I see it is the people who died in the explosion, that is indeed justice. For each person who died, that is for any mage who was raped, beaten, tortured and or killed. There was no justice in killing Anders because he did nothing wrong.

Killing an innocent for something they wre not a part of is not justice, to be honest. Not that I disagree with Anders' choice at all, honestly I wished there was a total agreement option. What would be justice is every templar who had anything to do with this that goes punished for the crimes he commited or allowed to happen. Killing an innocent bystander for somebody else's crime is never justice.

[Rosendahl]

Rosendahl wrote...

Cantina wrote...
The way I see it is the people who died in the explosion, that is indeed justice. For each person who died, that is for any mage who was raped, beaten, tortured and or killed. There was no justice in killing Anders because he did nothing wrong.

Killing an innocent for something they wre not a part of is not justice, to be honest. Not that I disagree with Anders' choice at all, honestly I wished there was a total agreement option. What would be justice is every templar who had anything to do with this that goes punished for the crimes he commited or allowed to happen. Killing an innocent bystander for somebody else's crime is never justice.

And yes, the mages who were victims for these crimes of violence from the templar's side are innocents too, which is exactly why the templars are the ones needing punishment. That would mean if Anders or anybody hurts another innocent in the process of his justice calling, that would make him equaly wrong as the ones he tries to give back.

[smallwhippet]

Does anyone else feel that Sebastian's promise to hunt down '[your] precious Anders' if he's allowed to live gives some expansion hope.....?

[ladyshamen]

smallwhippet, interesting thought. I can just see my Hawke yelling "BRING IT ON, CHANTRY BOY!"

[CuriousArtemis]

smallwhippet wrote...

Does anyone else feel that Sebastian's promise to hunt down '[your] precious Anders' if he's allowed to live gives some expansion hope.....?

I'm not sure ... but I do feel somewhat like Sebastian's departure (and the way he departs) is Important.  But at the same time, would they make something a DLC character says truly have an impact on the game? Not sure.

I was disappointed that Sebastian says this even in a playthrough where Anders and Hawke are not romantically involved.  I thought it would have been cool if he only said it to a Hawke who was "with" Anders ... another Companion acknowledging my romance!  Praise be!  *snort* Yeah right.

It just seemed weird when Sebastian said that to Hawke ... in a playthrough where Hawke didn't really like Anders, was romancing Fenris, and waffled quite a bit before deciding not to kill him.  In my head, I imagined him going, "MY Anders?  He's not MY Anders.  But excuuuuse me for not wanting to murder a friend in cold blood, choir boy!"

[nirvana6794]

They might go the full-on expansion route, like they did with Origins when they made Awakening.

[CuriousArtemis]

Geez. That is bullsh!t. They really dropped the ball on this game. What about all of us who love it? It brought new users to the fandom, like me. I guess we don't matter?

[esper]

Sigh... Then I guess all we can hope for is an expansion, which we won't get. I'll never place my hope in a hangman t-shirt again. :-(

[Cantina]

Rosendahl wrote...

Cantina wrote...
The way I see it is the people who died in the explosion, that is indeed justice. For each person who died, that is for any mage who was raped, beaten, tortured and or killed. There was no justice in killing Anders because he did nothing wrong.

Killing an innocent for something they wre not a part of is not justice, to be honest. Not that I disagree with Anders' choice at all, honestly I wished there was a total agreement option. What would be justice is every templar who had anything to do with this that goes punished for the crimes he commited or allowed to happen. Killing an innocent bystander for somebody else's crime is never justice.

The mage's who suffered were/are innocent too.

[Koire]

This is why the cycle never ends..

[Rosendahl]

Yeah, the mages were innocent too, does that mean you'll sink to the level to the ones you try to touch a lesson to stop hurting innocents by hurting more innocents.

So yes, the cycle never ends. It's simply the entire Icelandic population crisis all over again. Once you kill one for justice, somebody wants justice for that murder and kills the earlier murderer. Then somebody from the murderer's side wants justice, and then it goes on and on.

[Cantina]

Rosendahl wrote...

Yeah, the mages were innocent too, does that mean you'll sink to the level to the ones you try to touch a lesson to stop hurting innocents by hurting more innocents.

So yes, the cycle never ends. It's simply the entire Icelandic population crisis all over again. Once you kill one for justice, somebody wants justice for that murder and kills the earlier murderer. Then somebody from the murderer's side wants justice, and then it goes on and on.

Too true the cycle does not seem to stop, but I suppose that
is why it is called "war."



Oh, do not get me wrong if something similar happened in real life, I would not
agree to it at all. However, this, this is a game-fantasy. Sometimes in those games,
a situation comes along and you have a choice, either agree or disagree with
the action of the person or the event leading up and around the current
situation.



I do RP my character-slightly- in this game. She did not save Anders because
she loves him-that is a small part. She saved him because she feels what he did
was right. My character believes just as strongly as Anders does, that all mage’s
should be free. I just wish there was an option to show this in the game.



No one is every truly innocent. Sometimes the “innocent” suffer the most and if
they have to pay the price of death in order for a message to get across- so be
it. I for one am certainly not going to criticize Anders for his actions. What
happened to the Chantry was something that was going to happen eventually. Meredith
pushed the mages too far and Anders choose to push right back by sending a
message.  

[Cantina]

Alexa_ wrote...

I just saw this announcement:

social.bioware.com/dlc_more_info_popup.php

It seems to me that there won't be any new DLCs for DA2 ... really hope I'm wrong ...

That is sad but also not surprising. They are currently working on DA3. They probably don't want to add any more to DA 2 just incase they come along and decide to change something.

[Rosendahl]

Cantina wrote...

Rosendahl wrote...

Yeah, the mages were innocent too, does that mean you'll sink to the level to the ones you try to touch a lesson to stop hurting innocents by hurting more innocents.

So yes, the cycle never ends. It's simply the entire Icelandic population crisis all over again. Once you kill one for justice, somebody wants justice for that murder and kills the earlier murderer. Then somebody from the murderer's side wants justice, and then it goes on and on.

Too true the cycle does not seem to stop, but I suppose that
is why it is called "war."



Oh, do not get me wrong if something similar happened in real life, I would not
agree to it at all. However, this, this is a game-fantasy. Sometimes in those games,
a situation comes along and you have a choice, either agree or disagree with
the action of the person or the event leading up and around the current
situation.



I do RP my character-slightly- in this game. She did not save Anders because
she loves him-that is a small part. She saved him because she feels what he did
was right. My character believes just as strongly as Anders does, that all mage’s
should be free. I just wish there was an option to show this in the game.



No one is every truly innocent. Sometimes the “innocent” suffer the most and if
they have to pay the price of death in order for a message to get across- so be
it. I for one am certainly not going to criticize Anders for his actions. What
happened to the Chantry was something that was going to happen eventually. Meredith
pushed the mages too far and Anders choose to push right back by sending a
message.  

Yeah, I guess there'll never be an end to it. And yes, by the way some mages feel themselves treated, eventually somebody would do something extreme. In this case, it was Anders.

To take a more fun turn on this, imagine how many wants Hawke dead for all the thugs he /she killed. Oh my!