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I think in-game same-sex marriage would arouse too much controversy. Lack of it if f!Hawke were given the option would be even worse. So I wouldn't count on it, really.


Well, they already made the world of Dragon Age turn suddenly bi ... I felt it kind of strange and irritating that in DA2 all the romance options were bi ...

If they would allow same-sex marriage in the already bi world of Dragon Age ... who should be bothered about it?

I would have preferred an option in the game settings to chose, whether I wanted my romance options to be same-sex or bi or straight!


I agree ... and I would prefer that choice in the game settings, too! ... Or at least some of the romance options should be straight like it was in DAO!

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I can understand why Bioware did the 'everyone Bi' thing. It is a bit more realistic if the LI's were a mixed bag of straight, bi and gay. I'm sure that would involve too much writing tho. And still not everyone would be happy. I just want better romances period! Going back to lurking. Happy gaming everyone:)

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Nice Pic!

I think romances should be guided more by DAO romance system. That was much more emotional and the PC had been courted, for example by Alistair. In DA 2 the PC is always the one to flirt with your LI and make your LI sleep with him/her. You don't get that feeling of being in demand, as you got it in DAO. In DAO, for example, if you don't make the first move, after some time in "love", Alistair will ask your PC to sleep with him. In DA2, if you don't make the first move by always flirting with your LI, nothing will happen ... no romance ...

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Alessa-00 wrote...

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I think romances should be guided more by DAO romance system. That was much more emotional and the PC had been courted, for example by Alistair. In DA 2 the PC is always the one to flirt with your LI and make your LI sleep with him/her. You don't get that feeling of being in demand, as you got it in DAO. In DAO, for example, if you don't make the first move, after some time in "love", Alistair will ask your PC to sleep with him. In DA2, if you don't make the first move by always flirting with your LI, nothing will happen ... no romance ...


To be fair here, if you don't say the right things in DAO (flirt), the companion will never become interested in you - just like in DA2. It's just not so obvious in DAO since you are given many options and opportunities to flirt with your love interest and thereby show them you are interested, which you do not get in DA2. And Anders apparently does flirt with you before you flirt with him - although I don't think I've ever made this happen since I am usually too sassy.

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Alexa_ wrote...

Alessa-00 wrote...

Koire wrote...

I think in-game same-sex marriage would arouse too much controversy. Lack of it if f!Hawke were given the option would be even worse. So I wouldn't count on it, really.


Well, they already made the world of Dragon Age turn suddenly bi ... I felt it kind of strange and irritating that in DA2 all the romance options were bi ...

If they would allow same-sex marriage in the already bi world of Dragon Age ... who should be bothered about it?

I would have preferred an option in the game settings to chose, whether I wanted my romance options to be same-sex or bi or straight!


I agree ... and I would prefer that choice in the game settings, too! ... Or at least some of the romance options should be straight like it was in DAO!


Why? Just to stick it to the gay fans and straight females who like m/m romance? :blink: lol 

I would like a player's ability to determine right off the bat that his/her character is straight or gay, if only to stop the detractors from complaining about gay gamers finally having the same options as straight ones!!!!!!

I'm STILL pissed about not being able to romance Alistair with my Warden.  Thank god that didn't happen with Anders!

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motomotogirl wrote...

Alexa_ wrote...

Alessa-00 wrote...

Koire wrote...

I think in-game same-sex marriage would arouse too much controversy. Lack of it if f!Hawke were given the option would be even worse. So I wouldn't count on it, really.


Well, they already made the world of Dragon Age turn suddenly bi ... I felt it kind of strange and irritating that in DA2 all the romance options were bi ...

If they would allow same-sex marriage in the already bi world of Dragon Age ... who should be bothered about it?

I would have preferred an option in the game settings to chose, whether I wanted my romance options to be same-sex or bi or straight!


I agree ... and I would prefer that choice in the game settings, too! ... Or at least some of the romance options should be straight like it was in DAO!


Why? Just to stick it to the gay fans and straight females who like m/m romance? :blink: lol 

I would like a player's ability to determine right off the bat that his/her character is straight or gay, if only to stop the detractors from complaining about gay gamers finally having the same options as straight ones!!!!!!

I'm STILL pissed about not being able to romance Alistair with my Warden.  Thank god that didn't happen with Anders!


Yeah, tell me about it. Only having Morrigan as a friend was just unfair and not being able to go through the mirror. Plus the there were only one s/s option so if you don't like the s/s option you have none.

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esper wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

Alexa_ wrote...

Alessa-00 wrote...

Koire wrote...

I think in-game same-sex marriage would arouse too much controversy. Lack of it if f!Hawke were given the option would be even worse. So I wouldn't count on it, really.


Well, they already made the world of Dragon Age turn suddenly bi ... I felt it kind of strange and irritating that in DA2 all the romance options were bi ...

If they would allow same-sex marriage in the already bi world of Dragon Age ... who should be bothered about it?

I would have preferred an option in the game settings to chose, whether I wanted my romance options to be same-sex or bi or straight!


I agree ... and I would prefer that choice in the game settings, too! ... Or at least some of the romance options should be straight like it was in DAO!


Why? Just to stick it to the gay fans and straight females who like m/m romance? :blink: lol 

I would like a player's ability to determine right off the bat that his/her character is straight or gay, if only to stop the detractors from complaining about gay gamers finally having the same options as straight ones!!!!!!

I'm STILL pissed about not being able to romance Alistair with my Warden.  Thank god that didn't happen with Anders!


Yeah, tell me about it. Only having Morrigan as a friend was just unfair and not being able to go through the mirror. Plus the there were only one s/s option so if you don't like the s/s option you have none.


 I would have loved to romance Morrigan with my Wardens. Not just for the Witch Hunt sequence, but also because you get to see a completely different side of her when she is romanced. And it would have added an interesting dimension to the Dark Ritual - kind of the same thing you have to go through with Alistair, but reversed. Plus, I never got the distinct impression that Morrigan was against a female romance - she is always saying how smart and strong you are. But then again, she does call you her sister. So that obviously puts a damper on a romance.

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Alexa_ wrote...

Alessa-00 wrote...

Koire wrote...

I think in-game same-sex marriage would arouse too much controversy. Lack of it if f!Hawke were given the option would be even worse. So I wouldn't count on it, really.


Well, they already made the world of Dragon Age turn suddenly bi ... I felt it kind of strange and irritating that in DA2 all the romance options were bi ...

If they would allow same-sex marriage in the already bi world of Dragon Age ... who should be bothered about it?

I would have preferred an option in the game settings to chose, whether I wanted my romance options to be same-sex or bi or straight!


I agree ... and I would prefer that choice in the game settings, too! ... Or at least some of the romance options should be straight like it was in DAO!


You have an option in the game.  It's called dialogue choices.  It isn't as though you were ever forced at any one time into a romance you didn't want to be part of.  The only time this happened was when you triggered a game bug.  Most of these "ninja" romances are easily fixed, if not with official patches, then with player-created ones from the modding community.  

The purpose of making all the romanceable NPCs available to any gender was obvious: so that people wouldn't feel excluded.  In Origins, there were people who wanted the option to play a male Warden who romanced Alistair, those who wanted to play a female Warden who romanced Morrigan.  Bioware recognized this and decided to eliminate the problem by making all available romances options open to any character gamers wanted to play. Why is this such an affront to players who don't want to participate in those romances?  Do you realize just how much your statements smack of straight privilege?  

The marketing purpose there was to be inclusive toward its entire target audience.  The LGBT community gets excluded and rendered invisible too much in reality as it is.  Could we possibly be allowed to play a Bioware game without the straight community getting their undies in a bunch because OMG, Bioware decided to acknowledge us?

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Cantina wrote...

Alessa-00 wrote...

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Cameo I think. And what else It can be? In DA 2 many gamers Anders run away with Hawke.


Some dlc would make sense, because there are so many open questions about him:

Will he ever be seperated from Justice?
If so, ... how?
If not, ... will Justice take over to entirely control him?
Or can Anders manage to retain control?
Where is he going to after Kirkwall?
Will he continue fighting for the mages and fight with them in the revolution he started?
What about his Calling?
Will he end as tainted wreck down at the Deep Roads?
Or will he be freed of the necessity of the Calling due to the influence of Justice?
....... just for example



From what I heard the writers are introducing a new protaginist for the third installment. In my opinion I am not exactly thirlled with this idea. The first game pretty much tied up the Warden's story (along with the DLCs). In the second game, it ends when the war has just broken out. I think the writers could have gone the rotue and continued the story of Hawke. I dunno, does not seem right to end a game at the start of the war and all your character does is vanish. Would be nice to see what happens to Hawke and Anders during this war. Just think (for example) if the Harry Potter books, the war breaks out, but for the final book a new main character comes in and "finishes" what was started.

It would be nice to see Ander's get another chance at a full life. IF I was writting him, I would allow Ander's to be free of his Calling-thus having Jusitce inside him has removed the taint completely.  Then introduce Feneryal as a means to help remove Justice from Anders completely. Granted Anders will not be as he was, but, it would be a nice route to go.

And for pete's sake if your character in DA2 does run off with Anders, let them be married by now. I dunno found it a bit odd in the game, Anders and my character (yours) were together for 3 years and not married. Would have been sweet to have that happen in the game, thus making the end game choice a bit harder-for some people.


Quite a lot of people are together for years before they marry, that's not at all unusual.  

But if you consider the game's story.  Anders is an apostate, and Hawke potentially is.  Who is going to marry them?  In Circles, mages are strongly discouraged from marrying and have to get permission even so.  Not to mention Circle mages are definitely not permitted to have children, and any born to them automatically belong to the Chantry.  So it stands to reason that legally, Anders and Hawke can't get married.  They're pushing the bounds of the law as it is just keeping Anders out of the Circle.

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I cannot comment on all the romances in DA2 since the only
character I ever romance is: Anders. It was nice to have the option (finally)
to romance him, but truth be told it was a mess with dialogue options and it
all seemed rushed. Not the romance directly but as a whole it seemed like it
was written over lunch with no thought put in to it before hand.

Some of the lines were romantic and did show how passionate
Anders is. However if you go down the friendship path, the lines he fed you
seemed more like rivalry then friendship.

One line that irked me the most was this:

Anders “I can’t give you a normal life, if your with me,
will be hunted, hated the whole world will be against us.”

This line pissed me off, (especially playing a mage).
Throughout my character’s life, she has been hunted and hated. She is now an
apostate living in a city filled with Templars and is in a constant struggle
everyday to survive. I do not see how this can be called a “normal” life and I
doubt that anyone in Thedas can claim they have a “normal” life to begin with.

I can see this line being said to a player who is not a mage
and/or is on the rivalry path. However, on the friendship path and being a
mage, it just does not make sense-period.

 

 

Here is another line that pissed me off:

Anders “I’ll break your heart.”

OK, here is my issue with this line:

One, I have never seen someone or anyone have a perfect
relationship with anyone. No matter how much to try to proclaim your
relationship is perfect, at some point that person will do something that will
upset you. Your character lives in Thedas and having a perfect happy
relationship is not exactly easy, especially the life Hawke lives. I can see
this line playing into the rivalry romance but not down the friendship
path. 

My character (along with myself) was not pissed or broken up
about what he did to the Chantry. But then again, we all are different. Hell
someone out there might have gotten pissed off with Anders sneezing the wrong
way. Cannot use a line a like that because it simply does not work. If you are
choosing to go into a relationship, you should already be aware that
consequences may soon come into play, especially involving yourself with a
possessed mage. In my opinion, if you do not have at least a somewhat strong
resolve to deal with someone like Anders, I do not see the point of involving yourself
with him at all.

 

Mage Side (last conversation with Anders)

Hawke: “If we win this, I’ll kill anyone that tries to
arrest you.”

Anders: “Kirkwall cannot change alone love. It will take
years of open warfare before mages can be safe. If you wish to stay with me,
you must join me in that fight.”

(Hits pause) Uh………what?!

 

Let us see here:

*I preached to Anders early on that, mages should be free.

*I saved the lives of countless mages over the years.

*When I had the chance, I told the Templars and Meradith to
F off.

*I joined Ander’s revolution by Act 2.

*Anders told my character I was a “leader” for the Mage Revolution.
 

*Leleina makes a claim that the mage troubles began with an
outside group. While my character Hawke cannot take full credit of this, she
however was a part of the uprising.  

*I got a templar kicked out of the order by setting him up.

*Helped Anders kill Ser Alrick for forcing Tranquility on
Mages; especially his former lover, Karl.

*Helped Anders gather the ingredients and distracted the
Grand Cleric.

*Sided with the Mages

*Refused to kill Anders because I felt what he did was
right. (Course if you have no romance with him, and just friends, he tells you
it was a test to see how loyal you are with mage freedom).

 

My point is: this line does not fit well with the choices
you made up to that point. I can see Anders making this comment if he was
unsure about your loyalty towards freeing Mages or it not being there at all.  Since my character is just as passionate about
freeing mages as Anders is, I would have assumed the choices I made would have
given Anders different dialogue in the end.


Such as:

Anders:  “Kirkwall
cannot change alone, love. It will take years of open warfare before mages can
be safe. You have showed me how passionate you are about this, I ask you now to
stay with me and let us continue to fight for a future were mages are safe and
free. “


I wish your actions through the game played a larger part in Anders dialogue and not snips here and there.

But once again, I am babbiling.



Silfren wrote...



Quite a lot of people are together for years before they marry, that's not at all unusual.  

But
if you consider the game's story.  Anders is an apostate, and Hawke
potentially is.  Who is going to marry them?  In Circles, mages are
strongly discouraged from marrying and have to get permission even so. 
Not to mention Circle mages are definitely not permitted to have
children, and any born to them automatically belong to the Chantry.  So
it stands to reason that legally, Anders and Hawke can't get married.  They're pushing the bounds of the law as it is just keeping Anders out of the Circle.



Hmm, true, true. I forgot about that.

And not to mention living openly as a mage couple.

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Silfren wrote...

You have an option in the game.  It's called dialogue choices.  It isn't as though you were ever forced at any one time into a romance you didn't want to be part of.  The only time this happened was when you triggered a game bug.  Most of these "ninja" romances are easily fixed, if not with official patches, then with player-created ones from the modding community.  

The purpose of making all the romanceable NPCs available to any gender was obvious: so that people wouldn't feel excluded.  In Origins, there were people who wanted the option to play a male Warden who romanced Alistair, those who wanted to play a female Warden who romanced Morrigan.  Bioware recognized this and decided to eliminate the problem by making all available romances options open to any character gamers wanted to play. Why is this such an affront to players who don't want to participate in those romances?  Do you realize just how much your statements smack of straight privilege?  

The marketing purpose there was to be inclusive toward its entire target audience.  The LGBT community gets excluded and rendered invisible too much in reality as it is.  Could we possibly be allowed to play a Bioware game without the straight community getting their undies in a bunch because OMG, Bioware decided to acknowledge us?


This. Seriously, people. I'm straight in real life, but I don't see what this has to do with gaming. I have no problem role-playing as a gay character. Nor does it bother me when another character flirts with me in a game, male or female. It's called role-playing for a reason.

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Kavatica wrote...

Silfren wrote...

You have an option in the game.  It's called dialogue choices.  It isn't as though you were ever forced at any one time into a romance you didn't want to be part of.  The only time this happened was when you triggered a game bug.  Most of these "ninja" romances are easily fixed, if not with official patches, then with player-created ones from the modding community.  

The purpose of making all the romanceable NPCs available to any gender was obvious: so that people wouldn't feel excluded.  In Origins, there were people who wanted the option to play a male Warden who romanced Alistair, those who wanted to play a female Warden who romanced Morrigan.  Bioware recognized this and decided to eliminate the problem by making all available romances options open to any character gamers wanted to play. Why is this such an affront to players who don't want to participate in those romances?  Do you realize just how much your statements smack of straight privilege?  

The marketing purpose there was to be inclusive toward its entire target audience.  The LGBT community gets excluded and rendered invisible too much in reality as it is.  Could we possibly be allowed to play a Bioware game without the straight community getting their undies in a bunch because OMG, Bioware decided to acknowledge us?


This. Seriously, people. I'm straight in real life, but I don't see what this has to do with gaming. I have no problem role-playing as a gay character. Nor does it bother me when another character flirts with me in a game, male or female. It's called role-playing for a reason.


Exactly! <raises a glass>



I think some people do not realize what and RPG game is-its
about choices-YOUR choices.  IF you
choose not to romance your male character with another male character, that is
your choice. If someone else chooses to do it there is no reason, anyone should
condemn the player for what choices they choose to make in the game. Sure, opinions
are one thing, but saying to that player the choice they made is wrong is not
right on any scale.

The real world is changing and the people with in the world.
It is no different for a RPG game, the world is changing, people change. Aside
from Skyrim, there are many games out there with the option to peruse a same
sex relationship.  There is nothing wrong
with that, it shows gaming companies are open minded and given the player the
freedom of choice. If you do not want to involve yourself in a same sex
relationship, then do not do it.

Trying to say it will create controversy is well, what
Avarard said in game “It’s like a child bleating without meaning.”

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People always bring up the Chantry whenever anyone mentions marriage. Maybe it's because I'm not religious, but when I think of the characters getting "married," I think of them holding their own private ceremony, which may or may not involve religion, or perhaps just a ring exchange, or token exchange, or hell they could even hold it at the Hanged Man lol

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motomotogirl wrote...

People always bring up the Chantry whenever anyone mentions marriage. Maybe it's because I'm not religious, but when I think of the characters getting "married," I think of them holding their own private ceremony, which may or may not involve religion, or perhaps just a ring exchange, or token exchange, or hell they could even hold it at the Hanged Man lol


It's true. Most definitely the Dalish do not involve the Chantry in their wedding ceremonies. Neither would the dwarves. Although the only wedding I have seen in game is the City Elf wedding, and that wasn't in the Chantry, but it was overseen by a Mother (or Sister?). Doesn't mean other marriages don't occur in Thedas, it just means that's the only one we've seen.

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I don't see Anders wanting a 'Chantry' wedding at all. I would love to see one of my Hawkes getting married in the Hanged Man tho. That would be a hoot! I'll be honest here, I'm super happy with Bioware having gay romances as an option. It's one example to my teenage son that he's not alone in the world. ( He recently admitted to me he is gay. And yes, I will always love and support him! ) And even tho I'm straight, I often play a gay/bi/lesbian character. Love is love. And as Kavatica said, it's role-playing. I game as an escape from the real world for a little while. I'll be quiet now.

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Cantina wrote...
Anders “I can’t give you a normal life, if your with me, will be hunted, hated the whole world will be against us.” 
This line pissed me off, (especially playing a mage). Throughout my character’s life, she has been hunted and hated. She is now an apostate living in a city filled with Templars and is in a constant struggle everyday to survive. I do not see how this can be called a “normal” life and I doubt that anyone in Thedas can claim they have a “normal” life to begin with.

By Act 2 when he says that your Hawke is a wealthy noble who is no longer in any kind of struggle to survive. Anders is still a "usual" apostate and is dangerous to associate with.

Here is another line that pissed me off: Anders “I’ll break your heart.” 
OK, here is my issue with this line:
<...>
Cannot use a line a like that because it simply does not work. If you are choosing to go into a relationship, you should already be aware that consequences may soon come into play, especially involving yourself with a possessed mage. In my opinion, if you do not have at least a somewhat strong resolve to deal with someone like Anders, I do not see the point of involving yourself with him at all.

Hawke and Anders hardly know each other in Act 1, and yet he tries to protect Hawke... from himself: he feels himself unworthy of Hawke. I thought it is quite touching actually.

Mage Side (last conversation with Anders)
Hawke: “If we win this, I’ll kill anyone that tries to arrest you.” 
Anders: “Kirkwall cannot change alone love. It will take years of open warfare before mages can be safe. If you wish to stay with me, you must join me in that fight.” 
(Hits pause) Uh………what?!

You do realize that it is a "middle choice", right? You can say "yes", you can say "no", and you can say ~"I'm unsure" (this one). Why does it surprise you that he replies accordingly when?) Select the top choice - it fits your character.

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Koire wrote...

Cantina wrote...
Anders “I can’t give you a normal life, if your with me, will be hunted, hated the whole world will be against us.” 
This line pissed me off, (especially playing a mage). Throughout my character’s life, she has been hunted and hated. She is now an apostate living in a city filled with Templars and is in a constant struggle everyday to survive. I do not see how this can be called a “normal” life and I doubt that anyone in Thedas can claim they have a “normal” life to begin with.

By Act 2 when he says that your Hawke is a wealthy noble who is no longer in any kind of struggle to survive. Anders is still a "usual" apostate and is dangerous to associate with.

Here is another line that pissed me off: Anders “I’ll break your heart.” 
OK, here is my issue with this line:
<...>
Cannot use a line a like that because it simply does not work. If you are choosing to go into a relationship, you should already be aware that consequences may soon come into play, especially involving yourself with a possessed mage. In my opinion, if you do not have at least a somewhat strong resolve to deal with someone like Anders, I do not see the point of involving yourself with him at all.

Hawke and Anders hardly know each other in Act 1, and yet he tries to protect Hawke... from himself: he feels himself unworthy of Hawke. I thought it is quite touching actually.

Mage Side (last conversation with Anders)
Hawke: “If we win this, I’ll kill anyone that tries to arrest you.” 
Anders: “Kirkwall cannot change alone love. It will take years of open warfare before mages can be safe. If you wish to stay with me, you must join me in that fight.” 
(Hits pause) Uh………what?!

You do realize that it is a "middle choice", right? You can say "yes", you can say "no", and you can say ~"I'm unsure" (this one). Why does it surprise you that he replies accordingly when?) Select the top choice - it fits your character.



1. Thats a poor way of trying to explain why he said that. Even so it still does not make sense, espeically if your a mage. The templars could easily turn on Hawke and try to arrest her. Being with an apostate is not considered dangerous if you are one as well.

2. Again a poor atempt at trying make the line work-it doesnt-at least for me. IF your on the friendship path and are basically throwing lines at him that you want a relationship with him I doubt this is showing your unworthy of him at all. IF he was not worthy enough I doubt my Hawke or any Hawke would try to form a relationship with him to begin with.

3. Yes its the middle option, I'm not blind and nor am I am retarded not knowing that. My explination was on the grounds of the middle option in general. IF you choose that option Anders comments should be more towards reconizing how much you have done for Mages up to that point.

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Kavatica wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

People always bring up the Chantry whenever anyone mentions marriage. Maybe it's because I'm not religious, but when I think of the characters getting "married," I think of them holding their own private ceremony, which may or may not involve religion, or perhaps just a ring exchange, or token exchange, or hell they could even hold it at the Hanged Man lol


It's true. Most definitely the Dalish do not involve the Chantry in their wedding ceremonies. Neither would the dwarves. Although the only wedding I have seen in game is the City Elf wedding, and that wasn't in the Chantry, but it was overseen by a Mother (or Sister?). Doesn't mean other marriages don't occur in Thedas, it just means that's the only one we've seen.


Hmm, this is true too. Now that I think on it, I wonder how the hell Hawke parents got married. Could have added in a marriage ceramony with the Dalish Keeper. Just an idea.

The Chantry may not reconize your marriage, but hey they can go F themselves :D

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Kavatica wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

People always bring up the Chantry whenever anyone mentions marriage. Maybe it's because I'm not religious, but when I think of the characters getting "married," I think of them holding their own private ceremony, which may or may not involve religion, or perhaps just a ring exchange, or token exchange, or hell they could even hold it at the Hanged Man lol


It's true. Most definitely the Dalish do not involve the Chantry in their wedding ceremonies. Neither would the dwarves. Although the only wedding I have seen in game is the City Elf wedding, and that wasn't in the Chantry, but it was overseen by a Mother (or Sister?). Doesn't mean other marriages don't occur in Thedas, it just means that's the only one we've seen.


Anders is Andrastian, though (an devout one too), and so is Hawke (even if they are non-believer they are brought up in the Andrastian countries, which means that marriages for Anders and Hawke are with the chantry).

I don't see why a marriage is so important anyway. If you were to ask my Hawke she would say that they were married. They lived together and they run away together, and she plans that they stay together. What would a marriage bring to that?

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Cantina wrote...

Kavatica wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

People always bring up the Chantry whenever anyone mentions marriage. Maybe it's because I'm not religious, but when I think of the characters getting "married," I think of them holding their own private ceremony, which may or may not involve religion, or perhaps just a ring exchange, or token exchange, or hell they could even hold it at the Hanged Man lol


It's true. Most definitely the Dalish do not involve the Chantry in their wedding ceremonies. Neither would the dwarves. Although the only wedding I have seen in game is the City Elf wedding, and that wasn't in the Chantry, but it was overseen by a Mother (or Sister?). Doesn't mean other marriages don't occur in Thedas, it just means that's the only one we've seen.


Hmm, this is true too. Now that I think on it, I wonder how the hell Hawke parents got married. Could have added in a marriage ceramony with the Dalish Keeper. Just an idea.

The Chantry may not reconize your marriage, but hey they can go F themselves :D


I am guessing they found a Fereldan priest and just said forgot to mention the apostate part. Or they were never married as we think of when we say married and simply chose to consider themself man and wife. (I personally believe the last).

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esper wrote...

Anders is Andrastian, though (an devout one too), and so is Hawke (even if they are non-believer they are brought up in the Andrastian countries, which means that marriages for Anders and Hawke are with the chantry).
 

 

Mhmm, and I was born and raised Catholic, but you won't see me setting foot in a church and I'll be DAMNED (ha!) if I ever get married in one :P  If I ever choose to get married at all, it'll be in front of a judge ... if that!

esper wrote...

I don't see why a marriage is so important anyway. If you were to ask my Hawke she would say that they were married. They lived together and they run away together, and she plans that they stay together. What would a marriage bring to that?


Well, it's important for some people.  Some people want visible and verbal signs of committment; people who are romantic, who are maybe uncertain ... it would vary from person to person.  Your Hawke is satisfied; my Hawke probably would be, too, but I do see Anders as being the romantic type who would want to buy matching rings or amulets or something, and then at some point, Isabela or Varric would make a wisecrack about the two getting hitched, and voila! Hanged Man ceremony :P

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I think Greg Ellis should have voiced Anders based purely on the fact that he has such a wit about him and could have made the transition from "Funny sidekick" to "tortured soul" more easily.

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Kavatica wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

People always bring up the Chantry whenever anyone mentions marriage. Maybe it's because I'm not religious, but when I think of the characters getting "married," I think of them holding their own private ceremony, which may or may not involve religion, or perhaps just a ring exchange, or token exchange, or hell they could even hold it at the Hanged Man lol


It's true. Most definitely the Dalish do not involve the Chantry in their wedding ceremonies. Neither would the dwarves. Although the only wedding I have seen in game is the City Elf wedding, and that wasn't in the Chantry, but it was overseen by a Mother (or Sister?). Doesn't mean other marriages don't occur in Thedas, it just means that's the only one we've seen.


Since neither Anders nor Hawke are either Dalish or dwarven, this is irrelevant.  I made my statement in context of the fact that both are humans living in Thedas, wherein the Chantry holds legal sway in every known country.  I also made it based on the fact that we do know that the Chantry officiates marriages, but as far as I know there is no lore suggesting that there are non-Chantry officiated marriages.  So it stands to reason that people who want to get married have their marriages carried out by Chantry clergy.  You pointed out yourself that the one wedding we've seen was undertaken by a Chantry clergywoman.  (Whether or not a marriage takes place INSIDE a Chantry has nothing to do with the Chantry being the organization that carries out marriages.)

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Burnouts3s3 wrote...

I think Greg Ellis should have voiced Anders based purely on the fact that he has such a wit about him and could have made the transition from "Funny sidekick" to "tortured soul" more easily.



I read a while back that Ellis asked for a smaller role because of other commitments.  He didn't have the time to invest in a major character.  This is why he voiced Cullen but not Anders.

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Silfren wrote...

Burnouts3s3 wrote...

I think Greg Ellis should have voiced Anders based purely on the fact that he has such a wit about him and could have made the transition from "Funny sidekick" to "tortured soul" more easily.



I read a while back that Ellis asked for a smaller role because of other commitments.  He didn't have the time to invest in a major character.  This is why he voiced Cullen but not Anders.


I read this as well.