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[DAYtheELF]

So gutted by the announcement that DA2 is dead. They were even working on an expansion and they are just... just dropping it! UHG

[CuriousArtemis]

DAYtheELF wrote...

So gutted by the announcement that DA2 is dead. They were even working on an expansion and they are just... just dropping it! UHG

I think that was the worst part about this little "annoucnement."  They were going to make this for us ... you know, the fans, those of us who have been with them through to the end ... but then they gave up on us and decided to side with the haters.

I feel really used and abused. <_<

[Kavatica]

motomotogirl wrote...

DAYtheELF wrote...

So gutted by the announcement that DA2 is dead. They were even working on an expansion and they are just... just dropping it! UHG

I think that was the worst part about this little "annoucnement."  They were going to make this for us ... you know, the fans, those of us who have been with them through to the end ... but then they gave up on us and decided to side with the haters.

I feel really used and abused. <_<

I don't think it's that they want to side with the haters. I believe they said that they ran out of resources, for whatever reason. Yes, it's disappointing (what is going to tide me over until DA3 now?) but I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that they stopped with the DLC because they decided to give up on DA2 completely. Let's just hope the energy is refocused on an amazing and epic DA3. Fingers crossed.

[DAYtheELF]

It would have been nice had they released a final DLC with the announment or something. To just end it without anything (well, actually they did tell us that they have part of an expansion.. even worse!) makes it that much more of a blow for all of us who love the games and have been wait-wait-waiting for more.

I still love them, and I understand to a certain degree that they had to focus their resources elsewhere (hey hey, I'll work on DA2 DLC for BioWare for comparatively cheap! Hire me hire me!). Looking forward to more from BioWare and the DA-verse. Until then, I will shed bitter tears.

Modifié par DAYtheELF, 19 mars 2012 - 07:28 .

[DAYtheELF]

No "Anders gets his kitty back" DLC. :'(

Guess I'll just have to go back and re-read High-Castle's fanfic instead...

[CBaker]

DAYtheELF wrote...

No "Anders gets his kitty back" DLC. :'(

Guess I'll just have to go back and re-read High-Castle's fanfic instead...

would have loved to watch the reunion of pounce and Anders

[Silfren]

Cantina wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Kavatica wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Kavatica wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

People always bring up the Chantry whenever anyone mentions marriage. Maybe it's because I'm not religious, but when I think of the characters getting "married," I think of them holding their own private ceremony, which may or may not involve religion, or perhaps just a ring exchange, or token exchange, or hell they could even hold it at the Hanged Man lol

It's true. Most definitely the Dalish do not involve the Chantry in their wedding ceremonies. Neither would the dwarves. Although the only wedding I have seen in game is the City Elf wedding, and that wasn't in the Chantry, but it was overseen by a Mother (or Sister?). Doesn't mean other marriages don't occur in Thedas, it just means that's the only one we've seen.

Since neither Anders nor Hawke are either Dalish or dwarven, this is irrelevant.  I made my statement in context of the fact that both are humans living in Thedas, wherein the Chantry holds legal sway in every known country.  I also made it based on the fact that we do know that the Chantry officiates marriages, but as far as I know there is no lore suggesting that there are non-Chantry officiated marriages.  So it stands to reason that people who want to get married have their marriages carried out by Chantry clergy.  You pointed out yourself that the one wedding we've seen was undertaken by a Chantry clergywoman.  (Whether or not a marriage takes place INSIDE a Chantry has nothing to do with the Chantry being the organization that carries out marriages.)

I don't know - who says they couldn't get married in a Dalish or Dwarven ceremony? Especially given Hawke and Varric's friendship, I could see him pulling some strings there. I still think that if Anders and Hawke really wanted to get married (although honestly, I don't think any of my Hawkes would give two figs about marriage) they would be able to find a way to do so. 

I was addressing the posts complaining about people bringing up the
Chantry in regards to Hawke and Anders getting married. Somepeople apparently find this mindset bizarre.

The whole
reason people assuming the Chantry when they bring this up isn't strange or unusual at all, but based on marriages are typically carried out.  Even if you
are not yourself religious--which I am not.  

The
world of Thedas--speaking of the human world, not the Dalish or the
Dwarves of Orzammar, is governed nearly exclusively by the Chantry,
from what we've seen, in ways that mirror the political power and
authority of the Catholic Church from the medieval period.  Chantry dictates are "the
law of the land" in many respects, and we see
that the secular governments of Thedas often concede authority to the
Chantry, or else govern according to the political situation put in
place by the Chantry's existence.  

In this view of human Thedas,
we have seen that the Chantry officiates marriages.  We
have NOT seen that any non-Chantry organization does.  On top of that,
this, again, mirrors real world situations in which it is very common
for people--even those who are not especially religious--to get married
within the walls of a church, by a church official.  It is common
enough, in fact, that the setting of a church and a presiding-over by a
church officiaL is very often the default assumption.

This is
what I was trying to explain:  This is why people assume that Hawke and Anders
would not be married, because the likelihood of their being able to
waltz into a Chantry and find a Chantry sister willing to legally marry
them, are slim to none. 

We simply do not know what the general views are of people living as a married couple without having been legally bound.  There is no existing lore, as far as I recall, about any sort of recognized "common law" marriage.  In fact, I think the lore is specifically silent on the subject of the culture surrounding Thedosians who live together as married partners without ever having had an official ceremony.  

This is the other thing that is tripping up a lot of people: not everyone views non-official marriages--i.e. those not brought about through official, legally-recognized means--as marriages at all.  Whether this is an "accurate" assessment or not is altogether beside the point.  For many people, if you weren't officially married in a legal ceremony, then you aren't actually married, whether or not you live together and have for a few decades, whether or not you have children, and whether or not you TELL people you are married.  

This is the source of the confusion, right here, because some people figure what makes a marriage is the partnership itself, insisting that if people live and behave as if they are a married couple, then they are married.   Others insist that it requires a legally-recognized (or religious-recognized) ceremony. 

So what you are trying to say is…

In the world of Thedas people view marriage differently. You
do not need a ceremony to make it official. Since Anders and Hawke have been
living together (openly) for some time now, people view them as husband and
wife.

An official marriage ceremony is only for the Chantry and
perhaps high-ranking positions (like King Alistair). However, if you do not
care what the Chantry thinks or marrying into a high-ranking position there is
no need for a marriage ceremony.  And if
you choose to go through with it outside of those obvious reasons its mostly
for show.

That would make sense as to why Anders felt no need to make
it official for the Chantry, since he hates the Chantry and the Grand Cleric. In
addition, he does call you his “partner.”

Interesting very interesting, never thought of it that way.
Huh, guess I’ll start calling Anders my husband now <dances a jig>

Um, no, that's not actually what I said, not even close. Honestly, I'm not trying to be snarky, but did you actually bother to read what I wrote at all?

I was saying that we DO NOT KNOW what the laws of Thedas are regarding people who live together as a married couple without ever actually being officially married.  I was trying to address the apparent confusion expressed by people in this thread who seem to find it strange that people refer to the Chantry when discussing the question of marriage.  I was trying to point out that there's very good reasons why people think this way.  In the real world, most people get married in churches, even many who aren't religious themselves.  And in Thedas, we have seen ZERO evidence of marriages that are not officiated by the Chantry.  Of course I'm speaking specifically of human Thedosian societies, as obviously the Dalish elves and the dwarves of Orzammar have their own traditions.  But the Chantry-led people of Thedas apparently get married exclusively by the Chantry.  There is no lore to contradict this, IIRC.  We simply do not know what laws there are, if any at all, on so-called common law marriages.

[Cantina]

[quote]Kavatica wrote...

[quote]Cantina wrote...

[quote]Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

[quote]Kavatica wrote...

[quote]Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

Either
way, in Ander's case a conventional marriage is not happening. I'll
stick to my head-canon that they had a wierd marriage-style ceremony on
Isabela's ship with Varric and Izzy as the priests.
[/quote]

Awww, adorable.
[/quote]

And no doubt involving a dragon or two, and countless innuendo from Isabela.
Hell, Isabela can design Hawke's wedding dress! (And we know that m!Hawke likes his absolutely festooned with ruffles.)

...one has to wonder what Justice would make of the wedding.
Do we have to have two ceremonies for them both? (And Creators, think of the vows.)

Do you Hawke, promise to put up with this nonsense for the rest of your life? [Yes]

Do you, Anders, promise to write slightly less manifestos and not to blow up any more civic buildings?

Do you, Justice, promise to book some therapy sessions?
[/quote]


Oh Gawd..LOL!

I hope Gaider is reading this, thats histerical.

But
seriously, I hope the writers give poor Anders a second chance, remove
Justice and the taint. I'll give my soul to see that happen! [smilie]../../../../images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]

[/quote]

But
then it wouldn't be Anders anymore, would it? I didn't get the
impression that he was all that eager to get rid of Justice by the end
of Act 3. 
[/quote]

Hey! I can dream!


[quote]DAYtheELF wrote...

So gutted by the announcement that DA2
is dead. They were even working on an expansion and they are just...
just dropping it! UHG[/quote]

From a developers perspective, not adding any more to the game does make sense-sucks-but makes sense.

You have to understand they are currently working on DA3. Which according to Bioware is a huge project since, there making the game bigger and combinding things from DAO and DA2.

IF they added more to DA2 that may cause complications in the development schedule of DA3 and the story.




[quote]Silfren wrote...

[quote]Cantina wrote...

[quote]Silfren wrote...

[quote]Kavatica wrote...

[quote]Silfren wrote...

[quote]Kavatica wrote...

[quote]motomotogirl wrote...

People
always bring up the Chantry whenever anyone mentions marriage. Maybe
it's because I'm not religious, but when I think of the characters
getting "married," I think of them holding their own private ceremony,
which may or may not involve religion, or perhaps just a ring exchange,
or token exchange, or hell they could even hold it at the Hanged Man
lol[/quote]

It's true. Most definitely the Dalish do not involve
the Chantry in their wedding ceremonies. Neither would the dwarves.
Although the only wedding I have seen in game is the City Elf wedding,
and that wasn't in the Chantry, but it was overseen by a Mother (or
Sister?). Doesn't mean other marriages don't occur in Thedas, it just
means that's the only one we've seen.[/quote]

Since neither
Anders nor Hawke are either Dalish or dwarven, this is irrelevant. 
I made my statement in context of the fact that both are humans living
in Thedas, wherein the Chantry holds legal sway in every known country.
 I also made it based on the fact that we do know that the Chantry
officiates marriages, but as far as I know there is no lore suggesting
that there are non-Chantry officiated marriages.  So it stands to reason
that people who want to get married have their marriages carried out by
Chantry clergy.  You pointed out yourself that the one wedding we've
seen was undertaken by a Chantry clergywoman.  (Whether or not a
marriage takes place INSIDE a Chantry has nothing to do with the Chantry
being the organization that carries out marriages.)[/quote]

I don't
know - who says they couldn't get married in a Dalish or Dwarven
ceremony? Especially given Hawke and Varric's friendship, I could see
him pulling some strings there. I still think that if Anders and Hawke
really wanted to get married (although honestly, I don't think any of my
Hawkes would give two figs about marriage) they would be able to find a
way to do so. 

[/quote]


I was addressing the posts complaining about people bringing up the
Chantry in regards to Hawke and Anders getting married. Somepeople apparently find this mindset bizarre.

The whole

reason people assuming the Chantry when they bring this up isn't
strange or unusual at all, but based on marriages are typically carried
out.  Even if you
are not yourself religious--which I am not.  

The
world of Thedas--speaking of the human world, not the Dalish or the
Dwarves of Orzammar, is governed nearly exclusively by the Chantry,
from what we've seen, in ways that mirror the political power and
authority of the Catholic Church from the medieval period.  Chantry dictates are "the
law of the land" in many respects, and we see
that the secular governments of Thedas often concede authority to the
Chantry, or else govern according to the political situation put in
place by the Chantry's existence.  

In this view of human Thedas,
we have seen that the Chantry officiates marriages.  We
have NOT seen that any non-Chantry organization does.  On top of that,
this, again, mirrors real world situations in which it is very common
for people--even those who are not especially religious--to get married
within the walls of a church, by a church official.  It is common
enough, in fact, that the setting of a church and a presiding-over by a
church officiaL is very often the default assumption.

This is
what I was trying to explain:  This is why people assume that Hawke and Anders
would not be married, because the likelihood of their being able to
waltz into a Chantry and find a Chantry sister willing to legally marry
them, are slim to none. 

We
simply do not know what the general views are of people living as a
married couple without having been legally bound.  There is no existing
lore, as far as I recall, about any sort of recognized "common
law" marriage.  In fact, I think the lore is specifically silent on the
subject of the culture surrounding Thedosians who live together as
married partners without ever having had an official ceremony.  

This
is the other thing that is tripping up a lot of people: not everyone
views non-official marriages--i.e. those not brought about through
official, legally-recognized means--as marriages at all.  Whether this
is an "accurate" assessment or not is altogether beside the point.  For
many people, if you weren't officially married in a legal ceremony, then
you aren't actually married, whether or not you live together and have
for a few decades, whether or not you have children, and whether or not
you TELL people you are married.  

This is the source of the
confusion, right here, because some people figure what makes a marriage
is the partnership itself, insisting that if people live and behave as
if they are a married couple, then they are married.   Others insist
that it requires a legally-recognized (or religious-recognized)
ceremony. 

[/quote]




So what you are trying to say is…

In the world of Thedas people view marriage differently. You
do not need a ceremony to make it official. Since Anders and Hawke have been
living together (openly) for some time now, people view them as husband and
wife.

An official marriage ceremony is only for the Chantry and
perhaps high-ranking positions (like King Alistair). However, if you do not
care what the Chantry thinks or marrying into a high-ranking position there is
no need for a marriage ceremony.  And if
you choose to go through with it outside of those obvious reasons its mostly
for show.

That would make sense as to why Anders felt no need to make
it official for the Chantry, since he hates the Chantry and the Grand Cleric. In
addition, he does call you his “partner.”

Interesting very interesting, never thought of it that way.
Huh, guess I’ll start calling Anders my husband now <dances a jig>

[/quote]

Um,
no, that's not actually what I said, not even close. Honestly, I'm not
trying to be snarky, but did you actually bother to read what I wrote at
all?

I was saying that we DO NOT KNOW what the laws of Thedas
are regarding people who live together as a married couple without ever
actually being officially married.  I was trying to address the apparent
confusion expressed by people in this thread who seem to find it
strange that people refer to the Chantry when discussing the question of
marriage.  I was trying to point out that there's very good reasons why
people think this way.  In the real world, most people get married in
churches, even many who aren't religious themselves.  And in Thedas, we
have seen ZERO evidence of marriages that are not officiated by the
Chantry.  Of course I'm speaking specifically of human Thedosian
societies, as obviously the Dalish elves and the dwarves of Orzammar
have their own traditions.  But the Chantry-led people of Thedas
apparently get married exclusively by the Chantry.  There is no lore to
contradict this, IIRC.  We simply do not know what laws there are, if
any at all, on so-called common law marriages.

[/quote]

No apologies nesscary, I sometimes get confused with what is being said-damn internet. And no you were not being snarky, I like people who speak their minds.

Still even though we may not know the laws and guide lines of marriage, what I said, does give something to ponder. As if marriage is not a nesscaity in Thedas, but merely there for noble purposes and obligations.

[Gyrefalcon]

BevH wrote...

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...
And let's face it, the Chantry is not going to be handing out blessings to the abomination who blew up the Chantry, and his apostate lover. (Hell, can mages even get married?)

Yes, mages have been known to get married. I'm not sure in the case of Hawke's parents, but Wilhelm in DA:O was married. He was also living outside the Circle and had at least 1 child. But this may be due to his involvement with Maric during the Orlesian occupation. Some sort of reward perhaps?

Spoilers ahead on Hawke's parents.  You have been warned.  Just skip to the next post if you don't want to know.

The background of Hawke's parents is either in the game or the DLC's (probably Legacy).  Leandra tells Hawke how she went to the Vicount's palace back when the mages were still allowed to show off their skills at a gala once a year.  Leandra thought all mages were old men and was quite stunned by this handsom young man named Malcom and they chatted after the show and agreed to meet secretly.  She fell in love and eventually he escaped the Circle and they ran away together.  This was a shock to Leandra's parents who had a nice young man picked out for her.  They were particularly unhappy because a mage was born to their family previously (a generation back?) and it was a scandal among the nobles.  They wanted to decrease the amount of magic in their line and Leandra was increasing it.  And thus, Leandra thought they died hating her for her choice, and Malcom's escape likely cost the Kirkwall Circle their one night out a year to build goodwill with the people.  But that is the story.

Spoilers over.

[CuriousArtemis]

 Whatever, haters; Anders and my MALE Hawke were married, so nyah 

[Cantina]

motomotogirl wrote...

 Whatever, haters; Anders and my MALE Hawke were married, so nyah 

\\

LOL!

By Act 3, I call Anders my husband. :happy:

[DAYtheELF]

Cantina wrote...

DAYtheELF wrote...

So gutted by the announcement that DA2
is dead. They were even working on an expansion and they are just...
just dropping it! UHG

From a developers perspective, not adding any more to the game does make sense-sucks-but makes sense.

You have to understand they are currently working on DA3. Which according to Bioware is a huge project since, there making the game bigger and combinding things from DAO and DA2.

IF they added more to DA2 that may cause complications in the development schedule of DA3 and the story.

Yes, I know.  I also know that the decision must be really hard for the majority of the team.  However, knowing the rationale doesn't make it less sad.      Was really hoping the next DA2 installment would let me kiss Anders more...

[Cantina]

DAYtheELF wrote...

Cantina wrote...

DAYtheELF wrote...

So gutted by the announcement that DA2
is dead. They were even working on an expansion and they are just...
just dropping it! UHG

From a developers perspective, not adding any more to the game does make sense-sucks-but makes sense.

You have to understand they are currently working on DA3. Which according to Bioware is a huge project since, there making the game bigger and combinding things from DAO and DA2.

IF they added more to DA2 that may cause complications in the development schedule of DA3 and the story.

Yes, I know.  I also know that the decision must be really hard for the majority of the team.  However, knowing the rationale doesn't make it less sad.      Was really hoping the next DA2 installment would let me kiss Anders more...

Oh I agree with you there. I have said this numerous times, guess I have to say it one more time (LOL). The romance in DA2 was pretty sad. Sure, some bits were OK, but over all compared to DAO it was rather pathetic.

Hell at least in DAO you could stop any where and ask Alistair for a kiss and even get comments on the partry members.

[Kavatica]

Cantina wrote...

Hell at least in DAO you could stop any where and ask Alistair for a kiss and even get comments on the partry members.

Agreed. I loved that. Plus all of the different reactions depending on who was in your party or if you were alone. Fun.

[esper]

Kavatica wrote...

Cantina wrote...

Hell at least in DAO you could stop any where and ask Alistair for a kiss and even get comments on the partry members.

Agreed. I loved that. Plus all of the different reactions depending on who was in your party or if you were alone. Fun.

I would much rather have them comment on the mission we are doing honestly. There are more to the LI than their romances after all and I would much rather hear their opinion than have a kiss.

[Kavatica]

esper wrote...

Kavatica wrote...

Cantina wrote...

Hell at least in DAO you could stop any where and ask Alistair for a kiss and even get comments on the partry members.

Agreed. I loved that. Plus all of the different reactions depending on who was in your party or if you were alone. Fun.

I would much rather have them comment on the mission we are doing honestly. There are more to the LI than their romances after all and I would much rather hear their opinion than have a kiss.

They do give their opinions on the mission and the decisions you make - just not in that particular scene. And they also comment on different missions in their party banter as well, like Leliana and Morrigan talk about Redcliffe, and Leliana and Alistair talk about Lothering, etc. I didn't really feel there was a lack of that. It would have been nice to have more of it though, because I never get sick of it. And I'm still coming across party banters I haven't heard before. I do a lot of running back and forth on the bridge in Orzammar. 

[DAYtheELF]

Kavatica wrote...

 And I'm still coming across party banters I haven't heard before. I do a lot of running back and forth on the bridge in Orzammar. 

^THIS

[esper]

Kavatica wrote...

esper wrote...

Kavatica wrote...

Cantina wrote...

Hell at least in DAO you could stop any where and ask Alistair for a kiss and even get comments on the partry members.

Agreed. I loved that. Plus all of the different reactions depending on who was in your party or if you were alone. Fun.

I would much rather have them comment on the mission we are doing honestly. There are more to the LI than their romances after all and I would much rather hear their opinion than have a kiss.

They do give their opinions on the mission and the decisions you make - just not in that particular scene. And they also comment on different missions in their party banter as well, like Leliana and Morrigan talk about Redcliffe, and Leliana and Alistair talk about Lothering, etc. I didn't really feel there was a lack of that. It would have been nice to have more of it though, because I never get sick of it. And I'm still coming across party banters I haven't heard before. I do a lot of running back and forth on the bridge in Orzammar. 

I would rather feel it during the mission that when we're finished or in a dialog with someone else. I liked that in da2 and I feel no need to zoom in on scene whenever we are outside of what the homebase is. I can't comment the number of time I've wanted to throttle Leliana in da:o because she step in front of me when I was about to click on something. So no scene zoom in thank you, which means no kiss.
In stead I will take more comment on what we are doing and on where we are.  

[Kavatica]

esper wrote...

I would rather feel it during the mission that when we're finished or in a dialog with someone else. I liked that in da2 and I feel no need to zoom in on scene whenever we are outside of what the homebase is. I can't comment the number of time I've wanted to throttle Leliana in da:o because she step in front of me when I was about to click on something. So no scene zoom in thank you, which means no kiss.
In stead I will take more comment on what we are doing and on where we are.  

I know what you mean - I get annoyed when I accidentally click on a character too. On the other hand, this gave me some great conversations that I did not see coming. Like when Leliana asked about Alistair and then he chimed in at the end. I believe this would not have happened otherwise. 

[esper]

Kavatica wrote...

esper wrote...

I would rather feel it during the mission that when we're finished or in a dialog with someone else. I liked that in da2 and I feel no need to zoom in on scene whenever we are outside of what the homebase is. I can't comment the number of time I've wanted to throttle Leliana in da:o because she step in front of me when I was about to click on something. So no scene zoom in thank you, which means no kiss.
In stead I will take more comment on what we are doing and on where we are.  

I know what you mean - I get annoyed when I accidentally click on a character too. On the other hand, this gave me some great conversations that I did not see coming. Like when Leliana asked about Alistair and then he chimed in at the end. I believe this would not have happened otherwise. 

That would so have been a banter in da2 where the characthers do three ways banters instead of two. Or it could simply have been a scene in the home base.

[Kavatica]

esper wrote...

Kavatica wrote...

esper wrote...

I would rather feel it during the mission that when we're finished or in a dialog with someone else. I liked that in da2 and I feel no need to zoom in on scene whenever we are outside of what the homebase is. I can't comment the number of time I've wanted to throttle Leliana in da:o because she step in front of me when I was about to click on something. So no scene zoom in thank you, which means no kiss.
In stead I will take more comment on what we are doing and on where we are.  

I know what you mean - I get annoyed when I accidentally click on a character too. On the other hand, this gave me some great conversations that I did not see coming. Like when Leliana asked about Alistair and then he chimed in at the end. I believe this would not have happened otherwise. 

That would so have been a banter in da2 where the characthers do three ways banters instead of two. Or it could simply have been a scene in the home base.

I don't recall ever having a scene in a home base in DA2 where I could go and start up a casual conversation with someone and where another character would be present. This wasn't possible in the DAO camp either.  Also, although the banter in DA2 was fun and hearing Hawke's reactions was also fun - I did prefer it when I could control my character's reactions to questions (like Leliana's in that scenario). At least in an actual dialogue situation. But then again, I am someone who prefers a non-voiced character. It's a matter of what each player prefers I guess. 

[esper]

Kavatica wrote...

esper wrote...

Kavatica wrote...

esper wrote...

I would rather feel it during the mission that when we're finished or in a dialog with someone else. I liked that in da2 and I feel no need to zoom in on scene whenever we are outside of what the homebase is. I can't comment the number of time I've wanted to throttle Leliana in da:o because she step in front of me when I was about to click on something. So no scene zoom in thank you, which means no kiss.
In stead I will take more comment on what we are doing and on where we are.  

I know what you mean - I get annoyed when I accidentally click on a character too. On the other hand, this gave me some great conversations that I did not see coming. Like when Leliana asked about Alistair and then he chimed in at the end. I believe this would not have happened otherwise. 

That would so have been a banter in da2 where the characthers do three ways banters instead of two. Or it could simply have been a scene in the home base.

I don't recall ever having a scene in a home base in DA2 where I could go and start up a casual conversation with someone and where another character would be present. This wasn't possible in the DAO camp either.  Also, although the banter in DA2 was fun and hearing Hawke's reactions was also fun - I did prefer it when I could control my character's reactions to questions (like Leliana's in that scenario). At least in an actual dialogue situation. But then again, I am someone who prefers a non-voiced character. It's a matter of what each player prefers I guess. 

Actually in the home base scenes there are mostly another characther present in act 2/3 but they leave with Hawke coming. It would be something like Isabella being treated by Anders or talking with Fenris. when Hawke enters.
And honestly that was one good conversation that could easily have been made in the camp by having Leliana/Alistar walking up to you and it did not make up for all the times I had to reload because of characthers not moving out of my way.

[Gyrefalcon]

One of the problems with dialogue in DA2 is that they would have it trigger as you are about to leave an area. I kept missing bits when I was focused on going to the next quest point and suddenly realizing the group had started spouting some new banter that I hadn't heard before and probably wouldn't hear again. At least the multiple playthroughs helped to catch more of it but I would rather it trigger farther back from the exit so I could slow down for it. (Apparently the developers thought we would want to leisurely stroll around the long empty corridors, lol.)

Edit:  Okay, I went to the announcements and requested that they allow Anders or Justice to have his kitty back in the epilogue since they seem to be done with DLC's.  If any of you would like to jump on that bandwagon, leave them a note.  Also, if there were any things you wanted to see fixed or changed, it is a good time to mention it to them.  As long as it is respectfully done, I am sure they will consider it.  They are looking for some feedback for the next one.

(Crosses fingers so that Anders gets to live!!)

Modifié par Gyrefalcon, 20 mars 2012 - 10:05 .

[DAYtheELF]

Done, Gyrefalcon. I've actually already mentioned his kitty it in a couple of my previous posts in that thread.

[esper]

Gyrefalcon wrote...

One of the problems with dialogue in DA2 is that they would have it trigger as you are about to leave an area. I kept missing bits when I was focused on going to the next quest point and suddenly realizing the group had started spouting some new banter that I hadn't heard before and probably wouldn't hear again. At least the multiple playthroughs helped to catch more of it but I would rather it trigger farther back from the exit so I could slow down for it. (Apparently the developers thought we would want to leisurely stroll around the long empty corridors, lol.)

Edit:  Okay, I went to the announcements and requested that they allow Anders or Justice to have his kitty back in the epilogue since they seem to be done with DLC's.  If any of you would like to jump on that bandwagon, leave them a note.  Also, if there were any things you wanted to see fixed or changed, it is a good time to mention it to them.  As long as it is respectfully done, I am sure they will consider it.  They are looking for some feedback for the next one.

(Crosses fingers so that Anders gets to live!!)

My Orzomarr brigde in da2 was the stairs in the hanging man. There were also a good spot right when you entered hightown.