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[Kavatica]

Cantina wrote...

Kavatica wrote...

Cantina wrote...

esper wrote...

Edit.  I was .

Anyway. I can only pick the first flirt. It is as long as I am willing to go for the jealosy banters... I couldn't even flirt with Zevran to hear Anders shot him down.

Normally my character would never flirt with anyone because she very devoted to Anders. I however chose to break that rule and just see what would happen.

I decided that flirting with a DLC character you are never going to see again doesn't count!

LOL! True, True.

Nice to see Anders be jealous and be so protective over you when/if you choose to let it happen.

It is fun. I actually liked Fenris' jealous reactions better though. Mainly because he is really good at the dry sarcastic response. 

[gaurdian9sunshine]

Kavatica wrote...

Cantina wrote...

Kavatica wrote...

Cantina wrote...

esper wrote...

Edit.  I was .

Anyway. I can only pick the first flirt. It is as long as I am willing to go for the jealosy banters... I couldn't even flirt with Zevran to hear Anders shot him down.

Normally my character would never flirt with anyone because she very devoted to Anders. I however chose to break that rule and just see what would happen.

I decided that flirting with a DLC character you are never going to see again doesn't count!

LOL! True, True.

Nice to see Anders be jealous and be so protective over you when/if you choose to let it happen.

It is fun. I actually liked Fenris' jealous reactions better though. Mainly because he is really good at the dry sarcastic response. 

I think the nicest thing Fenris has said to Anders is the one in act 3. "Be good to her. Break her heart, and I will kill you."

[Cantina]

gaurdian9sunshine wrote...

I think the nicest thing Fenris has said to Anders is the one in act 3. "Be good to her. Break her heart, and I will kill you."

True. But that is only if you choose to do a love triangle, which I never do. My character is too passionate and devoted to Anders to cause such a mess. Sides, its nice she lost her virginity to Anders....ahhhh the romance.

[CuriousArtemis]

About Tallis ... I head canon that my Xander Hawke flirted outrageously with her because he never trusted her from Day 1 and tried to trick her into liking/trusting him and revealing her true intentions.  H'es one of my only Hawke's who didn't bother to ask her all that crap about the Qunari while they were in the cell together; he was just like, I KNEW IT ... now how the hell do we get out of here?!
He had a lot of making up to do with Anders after that particular quest 


As for Sebastian ... one good thing about being denied anymore DLC is that now I don't have to feel bad about letting Hawke tell him to go f*** himself instead of killing Anders.  Sayonara, a-hole!

[esper]

The only one who picked all the flirts option of my Hawkes was Rival who had just done the justice quest and was mad at Anders for hiding stuff from her and going all justice on her (Rival is my rival romance). And that was her way of getting back at him.

My canon Hawke is too serious to flirt much anyway and is devoted to her lover. Generally I don't do it in at all in rpg's. It is one of the few places where I simply roleplay my own values into the characther's. You're with who you're with.

[Nilfalasiel]

I picked the very first flirt line with Tallis on my rogue Hawke, because it didn't really sound flirty (unlike all of Zev's flirts): she could genuinely have been admirative of Tallis' agility. Of course, that was my first run through MotA. After I determined how much I couldn't bear Tallis, I gave up any idea of complimenting her, ever. Boy, did leaving her standing in that cave feel good. "Who's got whose nose now, sucka?"

But yeah, I tried the flirty lines with Zev with both Anders and Fenris, just to see their response, then reloaded. I don't see a valid reason for flirting with someone when your significant other is standing right beside you. I mean, if you're gonna two-time, at least be clever about it. I can understand if it's a manipulation strategy, but in that case, it's probably better if you don't bring whoever you're romancing along.

[esper]

Ja, good thing youtube exist so I can simply youtube the jealous replys.. And if manipulation is a stragetgy. Explain it to your LI before so they know you'll do it.

[Cantina]

esper wrote...

Ja, good thing youtube exist so I can simply youtube the jealous replys.. And if manipulation is a stragetgy. Explain it to your LI before so they know you'll do it.

Yep exactly. I end up using Youtube to check out diffrent outcomes. I was curious about the Rivarly/Romance with Anders, so I checked on it. I would not mind this path, downside is being a Templar supporter. And that will be a cold day in hell when I support the Chantry or the Templars. But it would be hard for me to even do a Rivlary since, my character supports Anders choice about Justice-to some degree at least.

My main character is rather protective and deeply in love with Anders. IF he died, no doubt she would follow him. So I tend to romance only Anders and keep from flirting with other characters in the game.

Modifié par Cantina, 28 mars 2012 - 11:35 .

[Cantina]

Double post....ugh, sorry.

Modifié par Cantina, 28 mars 2012 - 11:35 .

[CuriousArtemis]

esper wrote...

Ja, good thing youtube exist so I can simply youtube the jealous replys.. And if manipulation is a stragetgy. Explain it to your LI before so they know you'll do it.

Are we judging one another's Hawke's now?    

In my opinion, the jealousy replies weren't interesting enough to make you break canon and force your Hawke to flirt with Tallis or Zevran if that's not what s/he would normally do.  Good thing YT does exist!

[Cantina]

motomotogirl wrote...

esper wrote...

Ja, good thing youtube exist so I can simply youtube the jealous replys.. And if manipulation is a stragetgy. Explain it to your LI before so they know you'll do it.

Are we judging one another's Hawke's now?    

In my opinion, the jealousy replies weren't interesting enough to make you break canon and force your Hawke to flirt with Tallis or Zevran if that's not what s/he would normally do.  Good thing YT does exist!

You know I got to thinking about somethings, uh not about jealously. Yeah, side-tracking here, <sighs>.

I'm surprised at the end of Act 2 IF you choose to accept the Arishok's offer to fight him, Anders did not say something. Maybe I'm missing something or the writers did-they have a habit of doing that.


The other thing that makes me scratch my head is the following line during the "Fate of Anders."

Anders says, "I wanted to tell you, but what if you stopped me, or worse what if you wanted to help."

To me that does not make a lick of sense. My character did help him, she helped him find the ingredients and distracted the Grand Cleric for him. My character is just as "gulity" of destorying the Chantry as Anders is.


The simple answer could be its a writers mistake. But then again (this maybe a strech) perhaps Justice took him over (without going all glowly) and Anders was not fully aware of my character's involvement. I dunno, I'm rather confuzzled by this line.

Of course if you go backwards, Anders says, he is trying to protect you and does not want you to get involved, he is taking a risk. But your character is taking a risk too in helping aid him. She/he maybe playing a small role in his plan but your still involved.

Which goes into even more confusion. If you choose the option "Is that why you needed me to distract the Grand Cleric."  Sebastian says, "You were part of this."

Even Sebastian reconizes your involvement. Which leads me not to understand why Anders is being the focal point of full blame.

From my character's point of view, she is happy with what Anders did and is willing to accept her involvement with the destruction of the Chantry.

But from the dialogue lines its like a bloody train wreck of confusion.

[esper]

You character is not guilt unless she figured out what she wanted to do. Sebastian is horrified that you didn't figure out that what Anders wanted in the chantry was bad, but you characther are not guilty if they had no idea what Anders wanted with the chantry.

Does your legal system not operate with the 'good faith' system.

Basically if Hawke genuially believed that they were sampling a potion they were not guilty since the knowlegde of explosive is not existing in Thedas. Of course depending the more your Hawke had figured out, the more they are guilty for not stopping it.

Morally it is the same. You cannot blame someone for helping a friend. There is nothing inheretly wrong that. There is also nothing wrong with trusting a friend. Of course again if Hawke had figured it out they get more responisiblilty.

Most importantly your Hawke didn't get the choice. By only being loosely associated your Hawke can honestly say. I had no idea he was going to do THAT. And they didn't have to think for and against with the bomb meaning that if was Anders that solely pulled the trigger.

[esper]

motomotogirl wrote...

esper wrote...

Ja, good thing youtube exist so I can simply youtube the jealous replys.. And if manipulation is a stragetgy. Explain it to your LI before so they know you'll do it.

Are we judging one another's Hawke's now?    

In my opinion, the jealousy replies weren't interesting enough to make you break canon and force your Hawke to flirt with Tallis or Zevran if that's not what s/he would normally do.  Good thing YT does exist!

Mayby a tiny little bit. Maker knows I am juding all the Hawke that sides with the templars.

[esper]

Cantina wrote...

esper wrote...

Ja, good thing youtube exist so I can simply youtube the jealous replys.. And if manipulation is a stragetgy. Explain it to your LI before so they know you'll do it.

Yep exactly. I end up using Youtube to check out diffrent outcomes. I was curious about the Rivarly/Romance with Anders, so I checked on it. I would not mind this path, downside is being a Templar supporter. And that will be a cold day in hell when I support the Chantry or the Templars. But it would be hard for me to even do a Rivlary since, my character supports Anders choice about Justice-to some degree at least.

My main character is rather protective and deeply in love with Anders. IF he died, no doubt she would follow him. So I tend to romance only Anders and keep from flirting with other characters in the game.

You can always play it as I did. Rival Hawke was not principall agaist mage freedom and she would be happy to see the templars burn, but she is selfish and scared to hell of the templars so when grace and group should be handed over to Kerras, she did it because there was standing are large group of templars right there and damm it if Rival would risk herself. Then she was also agressive and generally did a lot of nasty thing in her agressive/selfish/like taking the easy way out habits.

She was also the only one siding with Petrice /Varnell had her group outnumbered and the qunari were bound. They seemed like the easy prey) and giving Isabella to the Arishok which gave a funny combination of allowing Petrice to be alive to be very, very mad at Hawke. (She actually scared me).

Then she just generally thought it was a stupid idea to be possessed and told Anders so... Frequently.

But yeah... it felt wrong, because I am so much on Anders side. It didn't make it better that with Rivals agressive personality it felt like that they were in an abusive relentionship with Rival being the abuser...

Modifié par esper, 29 mars 2012 - 04:59 .

[Gyrefalcon]

[quote]esper wrote...


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My Orzomarr brigde in da2 was the stairs in the hanging man. There were also a good spot right when you entered hightown.
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That is true.  Those were both pretty good, but since Anders was in Darktown, that exit was where I got caught out a lot. 

[esper]

[quote]Gyrefalcon wrote...

[quote]esper wrote...


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My Orzomarr brigde in da2 was the stairs in the hanging man. There were also a good spot right when you entered hightown.
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That is true.  Those were both pretty good, but since Anders was in Darktown, that exit was where I got caught out a lot. 

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I never had a problem with that exist. I just waited for a second to see if there was something someone wanted to say, but beyond that the stairs right before Anders clinic would also trigger it sometimes.

The only place I had a problem with was the one right when you enter the wounded coast because you could risk that you would be prompted into a fight making it hard to hear.

[CuriousArtemis]

esper wrote...

Mayby a tiny little bit. Maker knows I am juding all the Hawke that sides with the templars.

I sat for ten minutes in front of my screen trying to force myself to kill Anders once  Couldn't do it.  Then decided to let him live but support the templars.

Just. Couldn't. Do. It. 

[esper]

motomotogirl wrote...

esper wrote...

Mayby a tiny little bit. Maker knows I am juding all the Hawke that sides with the templars.

I sat for ten minutes in front of my screen trying to force myself to kill Anders once  Couldn't do it.  Then decided to let him live but support the templars.

Just. Couldn't. Do. It. 

I managed to force Rival through it, but I just couldn't make Anders side with the templars and I couldn't kill him on the box so I ended up fighting both him and Merrill... I don't know which was worst his: I loved you once, or hers: We were never friends in the first place...
Then once I had finished the playthrough I immedieatly reloaded and went pro-mage. I liked Rival so much more after that. It felt like she finally grew up and realized that there were other people in the world.

The one thing I tried to do was handing Fenris over. I wandered around in circles in front of the hanging man for 20 minutes with that quest being the last in act3, but I just couldn't do it.

[Kavatica]

esper wrote...

The one thing I tried to do was handing Fenris over. I wandered around in circles in front of the hanging man for 20 minutes with that quest being the last in act3, but I just couldn't do it.

That one I just can't do. I watched the videos on YouTube and even then I feel horrible just watching it. It's the same way I felt about executing Alistair in DAO. Can't do it. It's like killing digital puppies for fun. Which you can actually do in DAO too, by the way. 

[esper]

I've accepted that I get too attachted to the npc to kill them unless they actively attack me first.

[Kavatica]

esper wrote...

I've accepted that I get too attachted to the npc to kill them unless they actively attack me first.

Yep. Same. Well, kill or horribly betray.

[CuriousArtemis]

Geez, I can't even hand Isabela over. I'm a TOTAL wimp.

[Nilfalasiel]

I've gradually come to terms with the idea that I'd have to do one pro-Templar character to get the Mage Hunter and Crowning Glory achievements (alas for completionism!). So, in order to make it as impersonal as possible, I just decided to make that character anything I wouldn't normally choose: a male warrior who's going to speed through the game on Casual and do as few sidequests as possible. And to further the disconnect, I'll make him rivalmance Anders. Haven't decided yet whether he's gonna kill him at the end or force him to side with the Templars, but I've lined up a friendmance mage straight after that playthrough, to make the bitter taste go away.

But yeah, other than that, I would never be able to execute Anders. It would certainly not solve anything, IMO. Same for Fenris, I could never give him away: that one, I can find no plausible justification for. As for handing Isabela over to the qunari, I have actually toyed with the idea...But I don't know if I'd be able to do it. What's her reaction if you decide to hand her over?

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 29 mars 2012 - 07:22 .

[esper]

Here is a nasty version where she is rivalmanced. The one time I did it, it wasn't so bad, but still bad enough:


Edit the one time I did it she called me ****.

Modifié par esper, 29 mars 2012 - 07:28 .

[hobbit of the shire]

Playing through DAO and Wynne made this comment:
"Of late I have begun to wonder if... if there is any way an abomination can be... cured."

Could this foreshadow something along the lines of a cure that might happen in DA3? More importantly, does this give us hope that Anders can be cured of Justice?