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He also backed me into a corner one time with forcing me to reply with either a romance or non-romance option. My Hawke is not gay, but was trying to be friends and if I turned him down, the meter goes toward rival and the conversation ends abruptly. Fenris' homosexuality was handled far better and I never got trapped with him. Though, I don't see why romance has to affect friendship/rivalry at all.


I remember this - but one of the options seemed more "Friends?" than "I'm interested." There are a (very) few places where the <3 icon comes across to me more as affection than romance, though I somehow doubt this is actually the case mechanics wise. 8<

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TS2Aggie wrote...

Souris wrote...

Wee! New Fenris vs Anders banter (and I'm not even romancing Anders).

Anders: I can't imagine what Hawke sees in you.
Fenris: It is done, leave it be.
Anders: Well good, I always knew she had some sense.
Fenris: Do not make light of this, leaving was the hardest thing I've ever done.


Thanks for posting this! <3<3


You're welcome!

It seems that no matter what route you go with him (my FemHawke is a rival with him, and turned him down for romance), he gets very, very attached to your Hawke.

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VampOrchid wrote...

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www.youtube.com/watch

Very interesting. And sad.



This right here proves that it's not really Anders who decides to blow things up! I'm wondering if Justice is taking over more and more. I'm hoping later on there will be a way to show Justice that he's making a slave out of Anders, the same thing he's trying to prevent.



*sigh* This whole situation is so depressing... But yeah, look at the video. Like I said earlier, when I went into the Fade to help Feynriel and brought Anders along... and I tried to talk to him and realized "Anders isn't here right now, leave a message after the beep", my Hawke wanted to grab Justice by the shoulders and shake him, maybe slap him around a little bit... just some kind of attempt to talk reason back into him. Not that I think it would do a lick of good, but being able to try and talk more to him would have been nice. You know, like, "So sorry my boyfriend accidentally made you fly over the spirit cuckoo nest, but would you kindly stop holding him hostage now? 'Kay, thanks, bye!"

Or like how, in random Act 3 party banter, Varric tries to do revenge fantasy jokes about Meredith and Anders shoots him down. Then, Varric says, "Oh, Blondie. *sighs* Go away, Justice! We want our Anders back!" Or something to that effect. Posted Image

Random musings:

I like how Bioware put in the "little things", specifically the little references to your relationship. Like, how near the beginning of Act 3, you can go talk to Varric at the Hanged Man and catch Anders cracking jokes with him. When you ask Varric what all that was about, he explains that he put Blondie on his tab as a personal favor to you.

Or how Gamlen comments on it, which I found surprising. I honestly expected Leandra to say SOMETHING about her non-mage daughter bringing home an apostate boyfriend and continuing the "family tradition" early in Act 2, but all she ever talked about was how my elf friends were weird. Gamlen, on the other hand, was a surprise. After finishing the "Greatest Treasure" quest and after the initial cutscene when you visit him, you can click on him again and he says something like, "I hear you moved that apostate boy into your home. You are your mother's daughter." That made me smile.

I'm very interested to see where DA3 picks up. Especially since Anders can either live or die after he jumps off the slippery slope. From the posts here, it sounds like a lot of us are choosing the "flee into the countryside with our fugitive apostate boyfriend all Bonnie & Clyde style" ending. I would like to know the eventual conclusion to that, even if I fear it will be horribly tragic (I can see, for example, Bioware forcing us to do a mercy kill and end our lover's misery, sobbing all the way, as he finally slips into Total Abomination Land. "I'll never let go, Anders. I'll never let go." *cue "My Heart Will Go On"...). Posted Image

*sigh* Okay, so Miss Hepler... Mr. Gaider... where, exactly, should I have this wheelbarrow of sweet, precious tears delivered for your coffeemaker? Posted Image

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Anyone know if Justice still disapproves of the relationship if you completely support him in taking vengence. I talked Anders down when he was about to kill the mage girl...just wondered if you didn't do that if Justice might approve of the relationship.

Of course putting my own spin on it...if Justice is getting used to emotions(which is where vengence comes into play anyway) is it possible that the one Justice is referring to being distracted is himself and not Anders. I mean isn't he feeling what Anders is feeling if they are sharing...that would be new to him and a little scary and confusing. Just a thought...back to the game.

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Souris wrote...

Wee! New Fenris vs Anders banter (and I'm not even romancing Anders).

Anders: I can't imagine what Hawke sees in you.
Fenris: It is done, leave it be.
Anders: Well good, I always knew she had some sense.
Fenris: Do not make light of this, leaving was the hardest thing I've ever done.


Um..if Isabella is in the party she expands and adds to that conversation...and Fen delivers a hell of a zinger as well.

(Not exact wording, so forgive me)
Isabella: You two are worse then two mongrels fighting over a **** in heat.
Fenris: We're not talking about you.

BTW is the Fenris Romance is adorable as well.:wub:

Modifié par TripLight, 13 mars 2011 - 02:19 .


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Because I just can't let it go...

http://www.fanfictio...Let_It_All_Burn

For your breaking heart to move on to something more...heartbreaking. *sigh* Dammit, Anders.

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TripLight wrote...

Souris wrote...

Wee! New Fenris vs Anders banter (and I'm not even romancing Anders).

Anders: I can't imagine what Hawke sees in you.
Fenris: It is done, leave it be.
Anders: Well good, I always knew she had some sense.
Fenris: Do not make light of this, leaving was the hardest thing I've ever done.


Um..if Isabella is in the party she expands and adds to that conversation...and Fen delivers a hell of a zinger as well.

(Not exact wording, so forgive me)
Isabella: You two are worse then two mongrels fighting over a **** in heat.
Fenris: We're not talking about you.

BTW is the Fenris Romance is adorable as well.:wub:


I wouldn't say that the Fenris romance is adorable. As a matter of fact just using the word adorable in the same sentence that contained his name made me feel awkward. I find it to be...Forceful. Though, towards the end after he stops being a huge jerkface that leaves you wondering what the hoo-ha just happened he is rather sweet. Yet still forceful. He's a hunka-hunka macho elf, that one. lol.

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StellaSmooth wrote...

TripLight wrote...

Souris wrote...

Wee! New Fenris vs Anders banter (and I'm not even romancing Anders).

Anders: I can't imagine what Hawke sees in you.
Fenris: It is done, leave it be.
Anders: Well good, I always knew she had some sense.
Fenris: Do not make light of this, leaving was the hardest thing I've ever done.


Um..if Isabella is in the party she expands and adds to that conversation...and Fen delivers a hell of a zinger as well.

(Not exact wording, so forgive me)
Isabella: You two are worse then two mongrels fighting over a **** in heat.
Fenris: We're not talking about you.

BTW is the Fenris Romance is adorable as well.:wub:


I wouldn't say that the Fenris romance is adorable. As a matter of fact just using the word adorable in the same sentence that contained his name made me feel awkward. I find it to be...Forceful. Though, towards the end after he stops being a huge jerkface that leaves you wondering what the hoo-ha just happened he is rather sweet. Yet still forceful. He's a hunka-hunka macho elf, that one. lol.


LOL, you got me there. Sweet would have been a better term. My misuse of words and their meanings continues in true form today! And Daylight Savings isn't helping in the sleep department.

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TripLight wrote...

StellaSmooth wrote...

TripLight wrote...

Souris wrote...

Wee! New Fenris vs Anders banter (and I'm not even romancing Anders).

Anders: I can't imagine what Hawke sees in you.
Fenris: It is done, leave it be.
Anders: Well good, I always knew she had some sense.
Fenris: Do not make light of this, leaving was the hardest thing I've ever done.


Um..if Isabella is in the party she expands and adds to that conversation...and Fen delivers a hell of a zinger as well.

(Not exact wording, so forgive me)
Isabella: You two are worse then two mongrels fighting over a **** in heat.
Fenris: We're not talking about you.

BTW is the Fenris Romance is adorable as well.:wub:


I wouldn't say that the Fenris romance is adorable. As a matter of fact just using the word adorable in the same sentence that contained his name made me feel awkward. I find it to be...Forceful. Though, towards the end after he stops being a huge jerkface that leaves you wondering what the hoo-ha just happened he is rather sweet. Yet still forceful. He's a hunka-hunka macho elf, that one. lol.


LOL, you got me there. Sweet would have been a better term. My misuse of words and their meanings continues in true form today! And Daylight Savings isn't helping in the sleep department.



You know, even now as I continue to think on this I'm still getting a weird twinge at the word sweet. The Anders-mance...Sweet, Check. Adorable, Check. (at least until he gets all militant mage revolutionary in black and nukes the joint) I might even use the word fluffy...just because...well...yeah. (Except for the first kiss...that was H.O.T. and then he's all fufu-love-bunnies...err...kittens.)

It's hard for me to really explain the Fenris-mance. The glowy thrown against the wall bit was well...*fans self* Holy maker, indeed! Maybe for the rest i'm looking at the word endearing? I don't know. I'm pretty sure he just wants you to throw him against another wall. Posted Image Which my Hawke is totally cool with. Just saying.

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ANDERS CAN SMOKE MY POLE.
Seriously I wish we could force him to help kill the other mages, then get rid of him when we finished.

****.

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StellaSmooth wrote...

TripLight wrote...

StellaSmooth wrote...

TripLight wrote...

Souris wrote...

Wee! New Fenris vs Anders banter (and I'm not even romancing Anders).

Anders: I can't imagine what Hawke sees in you.
Fenris: It is done, leave it be.
Anders: Well good, I always knew she had some sense.
Fenris: Do not make light of this, leaving was the hardest thing I've ever done.


Um..if Isabella is in the party she expands and adds to that conversation...and Fen delivers a hell of a zinger as well.

(Not exact wording, so forgive me)
Isabella: You two are worse then two mongrels fighting over a **** in heat.
Fenris: We're not talking about you.

BTW is the Fenris Romance is adorable as well.:wub:


I wouldn't say that the Fenris romance is adorable. As a matter of fact just using the word adorable in the same sentence that contained his name made me feel awkward. I find it to be...Forceful. Though, towards the end after he stops being a huge jerkface that leaves you wondering what the hoo-ha just happened he is rather sweet. Yet still forceful. He's a hunka-hunka macho elf, that one. lol.


LOL, you got me there. Sweet would have been a better term. My misuse of words and their meanings continues in true form today! And Daylight Savings isn't helping in the sleep department.



You know, even now as I continue to think on this I'm still getting a weird twinge at the word sweet. The Anders-mance...Sweet, Check. Adorable, Check. (at least until he gets all militant mage revolutionary in black and nukes the joint) I might even use the word fluffy...just because...well...yeah. (Except for the first kiss...that was H.O.T. and then he's all fufu-love-bunnies...err...kittens.)

It's hard for me to really explain the Fenris-mance. The glowy thrown against the wall bit was well...*fans self* Holy maker, indeed! Maybe for the rest i'm looking at the word endearing? I don't know. I'm pretty sure he just wants you to throw him against another wall. Posted Image Which my Hawke is totally cool with. Just saying.


I want to think...passionate, would be the word, perhaps.

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Anyone know where to find Anders gift? I'm seriously stuck on that one...

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The Tevinter Chantry Amulet is found in the same room as Orana (elf girl) in A Bitter Pill, Fenris' companion quest, Act 2.

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MICHELLE7 wrote...

Anyone know if Justice still disapproves of the relationship if you completely support him in taking vengence. I talked Anders down when he was about to kill the mage girl...just wondered if you didn't do that if Justice might approve of the relationship.

Of course putting my own spin on it...if Justice is getting used to emotions(which is where vengence comes into play anyway) is it possible that the one Justice is referring to being distracted is himself and not Anders. I mean isn't he feeling what Anders is feeling if they are sharing...that would be new to him and a little scary and confusing. Just a thought...back to the game.

Considering how long it took Anders to whisk the Champion in his arms, considering his several "stayed up all night thinking about your for THREE YEARS" lines, I think Anders won out in the love department. But he says that he can't control himself from loving/kissing her, so I wonder who exactly is against it? Since he's not glowing blue, I'll assume he's right. Justice finds it weird, since he's not a lust demon. =P He's probably like some blind spot in his mind, and if the Champion flirts with him, it will likely break Justice's discipline. Because Anders was never one to turn down flirting.

As for who was in love with the Champion ... I can't decide. I can cop out and say they're the same people so it doesn't matter, or that it was purely Anders simply because he says so ... but I think the intensity of the love can be blamed on Justice as well. Had he not had been possessed, he might have been more rational, and perhaps more easily satisfied. Perhaps gotten tired of the Champion over the years and moved on. But since he was so driven and focused, because of the demon, so was that part of him. Considering all the different circumstances we can romance him under, we'll never really agree, but I think in MY playthrough (pro-mage mage), Justice clung to me as much as Anders did. I wouldn't say Justice "loved" me, but he needed me. To keep Anders on task, or perhaps even in control; to protect him? Or maybe, Justice wanted to use me as a tool and only a tool ... and he definitely suceeded in that!

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Steptroll, he emancipated the mages across Thedas and put an end to the Chantry's nearly millennia long slavery of the Circle mages. As controversial as the decision might be, he put an end to every mage who might have been tortured, raped, given a lobotomy, or killed by a ruling Templar of the Order. I choose my friendship with Anders over Sebastian's threat of war, and I don't regret it.

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LobselVith8 wrote...

Steptroll, he emancipated the mages across Thedas and put an end to the Chantry's nearly millennia long slavery of the Circle mages. As controversial as the decision might be, he put an end to every mage who might have been tortured, raped, given a lobotomy, or killed by a ruling Templar of the Order. I choose my friendship with Anders over Sebastian's threat of war, and I don't regret it.


False; he began a revolution that could end up here, and could at worst end up with mages treated like Saarebas or killed at the first sign of the gift if the Chantry wins.

What he did was give mages the ability to choose and to fight, which is even better than handing them a victory, imo!

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I'm really hoping that in some DC or Da3, that Justice learns to see love/emotions as a strong point and learns that maybe what he is doing to Anders is wrong. I just want some way to teach Justice that to some point the way he's doing things and using Anders as his puppet is wrong. Maybe then he would leave peacefully.

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I said I was gonna romance anders and I did. I didnt expect his personal quests to be so interesting. It broke my heart when he said he needed to go to the chantry and wouldnt tell me what he was gonna do. Then when the chantry was destroyed my hawke yelled at him ;o; I let him live though and I was already siding with the mages. During the game though he seemed more jokey and fun. Merrill even noticed him being happy at some point. But at the end D: I dont think anyone was expecting that.
I ran away with him though, and I dont regret it!

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VampOrchid wrote...

I'm really hoping that in some DC or Da3, that Justice learns to see love/emotions as a strong point and learns that maybe what he is doing to Anders is wrong. I just want some way to teach Justice that to some point the way he's doing things and using Anders as his puppet is wrong. Maybe then he would leave peacefully.


From all the content we have concerning Anders and Vengeance, I think it should be apparent by now that there will likely be no separating them. If you talk to, and question Anders during that final scene, he even goes as far to confirm as much; and where Vengeance has spoken alone for the majority of the game when he takes over, he is clearly speaking with Vengeance in that last scene. There is no blank-out "what did I just say/do?" moment, only Anders (or Vengeance).

How Anders acts in that last bit suggests (to me) that either Vengeance has taken over completely, or Anders has gained/accepted complete control. :<

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nenosronhir wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Steptroll, he emancipated the mages across Thedas and put an end to the Chantry's nearly millennia long slavery of the Circle mages. As controversial as the decision might be, he put an end to every mage who might have been tortured, raped, given a lobotomy, or killed by a ruling Templar of the Order. I choose my friendship with Anders over Sebastian's threat of war, and I don't regret it.


False; he began a revolution that could end up here, and could at worst end up with mages treated like Saarebas or killed at the first sign of the gift if the Chantry wins.

What he did was give mages the ability to choose and to fight, which is even better than handing them a victory, imo!


Preach it, sister. PREACH IT! That's what I've been saying all along. Anders has started a revolution for good or ill...he is the catalyst to something bigger that will only be revealed in time. Which I can't wait for, but there's fanfic for that, no? lol. I tend to root for the prettier side of the coin at this point. But mainly I think it's because he's had enough bad ju-ju to last his shortened lifespan at this point. The man deserves a victory at SOME point. sheesh, bioware!Posted Image

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Correct, nice romance anders insists at the end that there is no Justice now, that they are one.
During the video of the rival-mance earlier, Justice/Vengeance caused Anders to black out.
If Vengeance is a demon, and no longer the Spirit of Justice, then it may be possible to conclude that Anders may be wrong. Demons are not to be trusted, it could have Anders convinced that there is no seperation, or hope of being able to control himself.

Remeber in origins Wynne and Shale MAY go to Tevinter to find a way to seperate Shale from her Golemization. And as Wynne is likewise...afflicted as Anders (with less drastic results as of this writing) it is even possible that she found a way to seperate from her Spirit as well. (yes, yes, she'd be dead at that point, but she was old and ready to go anyway)

I guess what I'm trying to say is...demons lie - and Anders is way too screwed up to be able to know it.

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So I just got the banter between Isabela where Anders talks about how selfish he used to be and that his response to Justice's query about why he didn't do more to help mages kept him up at night. It was :( because I miss that Anders, but it also added some retroactive depth to his character in Awakening.

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Darkannex wrote...

Correct, nice romance anders insists at the end that there is no Justice now, that they are one.
During the video of the rival-mance earlier, Justice/Vengeance caused Anders to black out.
If Vengeance is a demon, and no longer the Spirit of Justice, then it may be possible to conclude that Anders may be wrong. Demons are not to be trusted, it could have Anders convinced that there is no seperation, or hope of being able to control himself.

God that's sad. But I'm more and more convinced that's the case. "There are worse things than death ..."

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nenosronhir wrote...

How Anders acts in that last bit suggests (to me) that either Vengeance has taken over completely, or Anders has gained/accepted complete control. :<


I think it's more that when Vengeance and Anders act in alignment, Anders doesn't show the same kind of torment he did in the rivalmance video.  He's fine (and even somewhat normal) as long as he and Vengeance are working toward the same ends.  But when they're not (like if Anders is rivalmanced), they struggle against each other, and Vengeance seems to be the stronger of the two by the end of the game.

Poor thing.  But ironically, his friendship with Justice in Awakening and his subsequent struggle with Vengeance in DA2 gave him the characteristics that my Hawke fell in love with.  His courage, his dedication to his cause...that was what really earned her respect.  

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SurelyForth wrote...
So I just got the banter between Isabela where Anders talks about how selfish he used to be and that his response to Justice's query about why he didn't do more to help mages kept him up at night.


...so is that why he's running the free clinic? I kind of wondered if the clinic was his way of atoning for something - past or future.