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[esper]

hobbit_of_the_shire wrote...

Playing through DAO and Wynne made this comment:
"Of late I have begun to wonder if... if there is any way an abomination can be... cured."

Could this foreshadow something along the lines of a cure that might happen in DA3? More importantly, does this give us hope that Anders can be cured of Justice?

I doubt it would do him any good. Wynne wondered because she was an abomination and it was the first hint for that. Conner was cured,but he was possessed from the Fade and had not been possessed as long as Anders.

I honestly think that Anders and Justice souls are so wrapped up in each other that it would kill them both to be removed.

[cowoline]

esper wrote...

Cantina wrote...

esper wrote...

Cantina wrote...

Ahh, OK, I see, thanks! I assumed the staff pounding on the ground was a gesture.

As with the explosion what was used, obviously what you helped him gather. But he also mentions he gather some of the ingredents already. No doubt he might have used some of Sandal's Enchanments.


You know I was digging around on Youtube, just to see what happens if you choose to kill Anders. Granted I would never kill him....anyways...

After you kill him Sebastian says: "It will not make up for what will happen, but its a start."


You know I am so glad my character is on board with Anders freedom of mages and being completely in love with him. Because I couild not even think of romancing an ass like Sebastian muchless killing Anders over him.

I really really wish you could laugh at his cheap remark of saying he'll find Anders, then you toss a dagger at the back of his head as he walks off. I may not like Merril, but Sebastian is the only companion that if I had the option of choosing to kill one, he be the first go. He really irritates me more so then any companion I have ever come across in any game.

Sebastian is not an ass. If my mother was killed I would feel the same way, justified or not.
That said Sebastian is pro-chantry to a degree which puts him in the characther I would never even look at category. If my Hawke had taken him the least bit seriously she would have killed him on the spot. Luckiely for Sebastians his threat rings hollow as he have yet to make any progress in retaking starkhaven.

No, he says that after you kill Anders. I don't blame him for doing what he did to avenge his own family. Despite what he did to avenge his family-outside of that he is an ass. I really don't care for characters who like to preach the Chantry to me in every damn converstation. Granted I am not against religious beliefs in real life nor do I follow them. I do however feel very against the Chantry and their hyproctical stance on magic. Also that damn Grand Cleric. I'll stop now or this will turn into a rant or a manifesto or both.

I do agree that I wish you could turn off "The Exiled Prince."

Considering that Anders more and less killed his mother figure I understand him. Sebastian is emotional. It is a huge part of his characther. His words are words of hatred because he is angry and hurt, and have always disliked Anders. I take nothing Sebastian says after the explosion seriously becaus he needs a long time to cool off and realize what he is saying. (Of course I could never kill Anders, so I am happy to see him stomp off in anger). I like Sebastian as a person, he is nice and wants to do good. Unfortunately he is part of what is an evil organisation and thus we will always be enemies, but he is a nice reminder that my enemies are humans too. The very fact that he is chantry makes him no-romance for me.

My biggest problem with Sebastian is actually his infamous discussion with Fenris where he wants to turn in the Malificarums. My Hawke is a blood mage. Which means that in a team of Fenris, Anders (who from my Hawke's point of view isn't a malificarum, but an abomination) and Hawke, Sebastian is talking about my Hawke. (At least that is such she will understand it). I have a hard time justifying not killing him there.  

I agree that i would like to turn Sebastian off. He is in essence a good person and strives to be one, but he reminds me of a small child. Even though he has enormous respect and love for the Grand Cleric, he doesn't seem to take any of her advice seriously and most of the time doesn't even consider them.

The first time i played through the game with this DLC and he demanded that i kill Anders, one frase came to mind "Death is never justice". I get that he is heartbroken, but honoring what she stood for instead of going against it would have been a nice outcome.

My next thought was that Sebastian just threaten to do the exact same thing Anders did; kill a bunch of innocent people to get vengance.
He just made himself the proof that you don't need a demon to become a selfish monster. And oh the ironi, when in the very same act i called Anders selfish.

Anders: Kills innocents to free alot of other innocents
Sebastian: Going to kill a alot of innocence to get revenge

What Anders does is horrible and i wish i could say that i didn't understand it. Don't agree with it, but i understand.

But Sebastian might change his mind when the pain fades, or else my Hawke is going to kick his ass all the way to the Anderfells and back:P Or leave him in Tevnter on the way back:D

[Cantina]

esper wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

esper wrote...

Mayby a tiny little bit. Maker knows I am juding all the Hawke that sides with the templars.

I sat for ten minutes in front of my screen trying to force myself to kill Anders once  Couldn't do it.  Then decided to let him live but support the templars.

Just. Couldn't. Do. It. 

I managed to force Rival through it, but I just couldn't make Anders side with the templars and I couldn't kill him on the box so I ended up fighting both him and Merrill... I don't know which was worst his: I loved you once, or hers: We were never friends in the first place...
Then once I had finished the playthrough I immedieatly reloaded and went pro-mage. I liked Rival so much more after that. It felt like she finally grew up and realized that there were other people in the world.

The one thing I tried to do was handing Fenris over. I wandered around in circles in front of the hanging man for 20 minutes with that quest being the last in act3, but I just couldn't do it.

I saw the scene with all options on the romance path with Anders on the Templar side on Youtube. One line he said that made my heart ache was:

"It would have been nice to have a home, instead of a cell or a hiding place."

That line was just gut wrentching. I wanted to give Anders a hug. That line alone just makes me see that standing by Anders through everything, even his explosion and running away together was a choice, I will continue to make and never go back on it.

Modifié par Cantina, 29 mars 2012 - 12:26 .

[Cantina]

esper wrote...

hobbit_of_the_shire wrote...

Playing through DAO and Wynne made this comment:
"Of late I have begun to wonder if... if there is any way an abomination can be... cured."

Could this foreshadow something along the lines of a cure that might happen in DA3? More importantly, does this give us hope that Anders can be cured of Justice?

I doubt it would do him any good. Wynne wondered because she was an abomination and it was the first hint for that. Conner was cured,but he was possessed from the Fade and had not been possessed as long as Anders.

I honestly think that Anders and Justice souls are so wrapped up in each other that it would kill them both to be removed.

I think its possiable. I don't think Anders realizes how he and Justice are seperate and not one as he claims they are.

Anders says that the only way for a spirit to be seperated from a living host is by its death. I can see some mage in Tevinter come up with some crazy spell or potion that mimics death but your not actually dead. This came to me from a quest in the game Elder of the Scrolls: Oblivion.

However I think if they do become seperate, Anders soul will be scared, but I don't consider him weak in not being able to overcome this.

Will just have to wait and see what happens.

Modifié par Cantina, 29 mars 2012 - 12:32 .

[Nilfalasiel]

esper wrote...

hobbit_of_the_shire wrote...

Playing through DAO and Wynne made this comment:
"Of late I have begun to wonder if... if there is any way an abomination can be... cured."

Could this foreshadow something along the lines of a cure that might happen in DA3? More importantly, does this give us hope that Anders can be cured of Justice?

I doubt it would do him any good. Wynne wondered because she was an abomination and it was the first hint for that. Conner was cured,but he was possessed from the Fade and had not been possessed as long as Anders.

I honestly think that Anders and Justice souls are so wrapped up in each other that it would kill them both to be removed.

Gaider himself said that it was possible to separate them, so no, it wouldn't be fatal. The real question is whether Anders would want to.

I still think it's the best possible outcome for both Anders and Justice. They're not doing anybody any good in the state they're in, least of all the cause they're supposed to defend. You need a cool head and a constructive outlook to lead and/or participate in a revolution effectively, and that's not something DA2 Anders has.

Then again, considering the bad influence Kirkwall itself has on just about everybody in it, but especially mages, maybe leaving the city is already a step in the right direction.

[Cantina]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

esper wrote...

hobbit_of_the_shire wrote...

Playing through DAO and Wynne made this comment:
"Of late I have begun to wonder if... if there is any way an abomination can be... cured."

Could this foreshadow something along the lines of a cure that might happen in DA3? More importantly, does this give us hope that Anders can be cured of Justice?

I doubt it would do him any good. Wynne wondered because she was an abomination and it was the first hint for that. Conner was cured,but he was possessed from the Fade and had not been possessed as long as Anders.

I honestly think that Anders and Justice souls are so wrapped up in each other that it would kill them both to be removed.

Gaider himself said that it was possible to separate them, so no, it wouldn't be fatal. The real question is whether Anders would want to.

I still think it's the best possible outcome for both Anders and Justice. They're not doing anybody any good in the state they're in, least of all the cause they're supposed to defend. You need a cool head and a constructive outlook to lead and/or participate in a revolution effectively, and that's not something DA2 Anders has.

Then again, considering the bad influence Kirkwall itself has on just about everybody in it, but especially mages, maybe leaving the city is already a step in the right direction.

IMO for story purposes it would be better to separate them. I'm not particularly fond of the whole Anders/Justice merger to being with. I think it was one of those things a writer(s) take a story to the extremes. Furthermore, I think it was done simply to get the ending they wanted-worked their way backwards <shrugs>

Modifié par Cantina, 29 mars 2012 - 02:13 .

[CuriousArtemis]

I actually don't mind (and in fact love) mopey DA2 Justice!Anders, but here's what both my Hawke's who romanced Anders would be willing to do in a second: go into the Fade, hunt Justice down, and kill the bastard.

I'm with Merrill, in that spirits are spirits. They're not people. There are no good and bad ones. If a spirit is helping someone, then fine. If it's hurting someone, kill it.

[Nilfalasiel]

motomotogirl wrote...

I actually don't mind (and in fact love) mopey DA2 Justice!Anders, but here's what both my Hawke's who romanced Anders would be willing to do in a second: go into the Fade, hunt Justice down, and kill the bastard.

I'm with Merrill, in that spirits are spirits. They're not people. There are no good and bad ones. If a spirit is helping someone, then fine. If it's hurting someone, kill it.

I think Justice genuinely thought he was doing something good by merging with Anders. But his problem is that he doesn't understand humans as he should, and therefore should have left well enough alone. Of course, Anders also shares the blame, in that he shouldn't have accepted Justice's offer. But I think they're both being punished for that, and that Justice also suffers from the merger by having to put up with Anders' emotions. If there was a way of ousting him without killing him, I'd give him a chance. On the condition that he never try anything of the sort again.

[CuriousArtemis]

Justice was only attempting to accomplish what was natural to it: Justice. It saw it could do this by merging with Anders. I don't think it or any spirit has a concept of what is "good" or "right."

[Nilfalasiel]

motomotogirl wrote...

Justice was only attempting to accomplish what was natural to it: Justice. It saw it could do this by merging with Anders. I don't think it or any spirit has a concept of what is "good" or "right."

Hmm...You've got a point there. I guess that, after Awakening, I had a tendency to humanise him, given his experiences with Kristoff. But it is true that seeking justice is part of his nature...

*needs to ponder*

[Cantina]

Well I think it comes down the fact the game has many story
holes. In Awakening, Anders just wanted to mind his own business. Then there is
there is this huge jump between this and Anders taking up the lead to mage
freedom in DA2. Sure, there is a short story explaining this, but it still does
not go in depth and detail as to what changed his mind.

Let us not forget the ending of Awakening, the writers
completely erased what was done at the end of anyone’s game and rewrote it for
story purposes. In my game Justice’s host, body was beheaded at the Keep and
Anders was with me in the final battle. So technically, Justice should have
gone back to the Fade-supposedly.

It is just hard to overlook the outcome, what was said in
Awakening and be thrown in with a completely different Anders with hardly any
answers as to why. If an in depth detailed story was given in the game I would be
able to accept the direction.

All the information we have, is he wanted to help a friend
and wanted to work together with Justice to help other mages. Still when you
connect the dots, they do not connect.

I just have a hard time seeing Anders, accept a Fade Spirit to jump into his body, seems out of character for him <shrugs>.

[hobbit of the shire]

esper wrote...

I doubt it would do him any good. Wynne
wondered because she was an abomination and it was the first hint for
that. Conner was cured,but he was possessed from the Fade and had not
been possessed as long as Anders.

Ah, totally forgot that Wynne was possessed.

Cantina wrote...

Well I think it comes down the fact the game has many story
holes. In Awakening, Anders just wanted to mind his own business. Then there is
there is this huge jump between this and Anders taking up the lead to mage
freedom in DA2. Sure, there is a short story explaining this, but it still does
not go in depth and detail as to what changed his mind.

<snip>

I just have a hard time seeing Anders, accept a Fade Spirit to jump into his body, seems out of character for him <shrugs>.

Me too.  For someone who spent his entire life looking for freedom, I'd highly doubt he'd be so easily convinced to join with another soul.  Being passionate about something is one thing, but going so far as to basically lose oneself (becoming two) is another, and I never saw Anders as someone who would do that.  I would be more convinced of other characters doing that (maybe Leliana?).  Anders was happy-go-lucky and a "I'll do whatever I want" sort of fellow.  While he'd die for his cause, he seemed unlikely to go obssessed-crazy over it.  Justice I could see wanting to merge as he's definitely got a one-track mind.

[Cantina]

hobbit_of_the_shire wrote...

esper wrote...

I doubt it would do him any good. Wynne
wondered because she was an abomination and it was the first hint for
that. Conner was cured,but he was possessed from the Fade and had not
been possessed as long as Anders.

Ah, totally forgot that Wynne was possessed.

Cantina wrote...

Well I think it comes down the fact the game has many story
holes. In Awakening, Anders just wanted to mind his own business. Then there is
there is this huge jump between this and Anders taking up the lead to mage
freedom in DA2. Sure, there is a short story explaining this, but it still does
not go in depth and detail as to what changed his mind.

<snip>

I just have a hard time seeing Anders, accept a Fade Spirit to jump into his body, seems out of character for him <shrugs>.

Me too.  For someone who spent his entire life looking for freedom, I'd highly doubt he'd be so easily convinced to join with another soul.  Being passionate about something is one thing, but going so far as to basically lose oneself (becoming two) is another, and I never saw Anders as someone who would do that.  I would be more convinced of other characters doing that (maybe Leliana?).  Anders was happy-go-lucky and a "I'll do whatever I want" sort of fellow.  While he'd die for his cause, he seemed unlikely to go obssessed-crazy over it.  Justice I could see wanting to merge as he's definitely got a one-track mind.

As I see it, I think it falls back of them knowing what
ending they wanted and in order to achieve it, they cut corners.

To me it is simply unforgivable how they portrayed Anders in DA2. Sure, the way
he played out was heart breaking and probably the best NPC I have come across
in over 20 some years of gaming. BUT it does not excuse how he changed so
drastically.

They took the time to explain other characters reasons for
doing what they did, in as much detail as they could. However, when it comes to
Anders, you got snips of his reasons.

Most of the characters in the game you got to hear their back-story
from conversations.

All my character got from Anders was:

Was in the Circle

Hates Templars and the Chantry

Leading a Revolution to free mages

Likes cats

Was a Warden

Has a Spirit living inside him

 

Just because the player knew Anders, from Awakening does not
mean leaving his back-story out of a new game is the right path to take. He is
not speaking to the Warden; this a completely new character he has never met
before.

Tossing his back-story in a Codex and not letting Anders
explain or you ask about his back-story is an insult. If you are allowing the
player to become friends, rivals or a lifetime partner the information the NPC
gives to your character is vital on a conversation level. It gives the buildup
of a connection and have an impact about that person and the direction you wish
to take.

Do not get me wrong, I am happy to see Anders back in DA2,
but how they handled the dialogue in the game was pitiful. I assumed they would
have gone further than they did in Awakening; maybe even get to know things
about him, even the Warden did not know.

As a huge obsessed fan of Anders, I am disappointed of how
he was cookie cut in the game.

[hobbit of the shire]

Wouldn't I go to the Deep Roads and back to get a DLC (or a book!) about how Anders v.2 came to be...  On second thought, maybe not, as that would be pretty sad.  He must've been desperate.

[esper]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

Justice was only attempting to accomplish what was natural to it: Justice. It saw it could do this by merging with Anders. I don't think it or any spirit has a concept of what is "good" or "right."

Hmm...You've got a point there. I guess that, after Awakening, I had a tendency to humanise him, given his experiences with Kristoff. But it is true that seeking justice is part of his nature...

*needs to ponder*

Also Justice was always a vengance form of Justice. He joins up to avenge Krisoff.

[cowoline]

Imo what we need is a another morrigan ritual, where Hawke and Anders can make a Justice baby and a crashcart to kill Anders and then start his heart again( so  that Justice can leave anders and be transferred to the baby). I wonder if Fenris' "fisting-thing" is usefull as CPR?

Modifié par cowoline, 30 mars 2012 - 09:39 .

[nightscrawl]

esper wrote...

Also Justice was always a vengance form of Justice. He joins up to avenge Krisoff.

That's not entirely accurate. Sure, he joins with your Warden because of Kristoff, but he doesn't really have an alternative. He's a spirit of Justice and he sees that as a way of fulfilling his reason for being. If you don't recruit him, according to the epilogue "a mysterious figure in Grey Warden armor is occasionally seen in the marsh, erecting gravestones to honor villagers of old. In time, those sightings cease." So there's really nothing for him to do if he doesn't join up with you.

I do however think that he started to change somewhat over the course of the game to be more single-minded, as Anders is in DA2. The main thing is cite for this is his reaction to the Architect. His main objection is that the Architect, and all darkspawn, were responsible for the death of Kristoff and countless others, and he never looks past that to the possible benefit of stopping the blights altogether. He only seems focused on the issue that is relevant to him.

cowoline wrote...

Imo what we need is a another morrigan ritual, where Hawke and Anders can make a Justice baby and a crashcart to kill Anders and then start his heart again( so  that Justice can leave anders and be transferred to the baby). I wonder if Fenris' "fisting-thing" is usefull as CPR?

Rofl... I've wondered about various practical applications for that since seeing the party banter (notice I did say practical). It's a shame it's not really expanded on. I suppose my main question would be whether he could actually grasp an object (knife blade from Isabela's story, arrow head, heart, bone fragment, etc) while phasing through another person's body. If so, then that scenario is certainly possible. Yes, Anders does make a comment about Fenris "ripping someone's heart out of his chest," but we never see an actual heart being ripped out, only of him using the ability to cause pain or death.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 30 mars 2012 - 01:27 .

[hobbit of the shire]

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Modifié par hobbit_of_the_shire, 30 mars 2012 - 05:26 .

[Cantina]

nightscrawl wrote...

esper wrote...

Also Justice was always a vengance form of Justice. He joins up to avenge Krisoff.

That's not entirely accurate. Sure, he joins with your Warden because of Kristoff, but he doesn't really have an alternative. He's a spirit of Justice and he sees that as a way of fulfilling his reason for being. If you don't recruit him, according to the epilogue "a mysterious figure in Grey Warden armor is occasionally seen in the marsh, erecting gravestones to honor villagers of old. In time, those sightings cease." So there's really nothing for him to do if he doesn't join up with you.

I do however think that he started to change somewhat over the course of the game to be more single-minded, as Anders is in DA2. The main thing is cite for this is his reaction to the Architect. His main objection is that the Architect, and all darkspawn, were responsible for the death of Kristoff and countless others, and he never looks past that to the possible benefit of stopping the blights altogether. He only seems focused on the issue that is relevant to him.

cowoline wrote...

Imo what we need is a another morrigan ritual, where Hawke and Anders can make a Justice baby and a crashcart to kill Anders and then start his heart again( so  that Justice can leave anders and be transferred to the baby). I wonder if Fenris' "fisting-thing" is usefull as CPR?

Rofl... I've wondered about various practical applications for that since seeing the party banter (notice I did say practical). It's a shame it's not really expanded on. I suppose my main question would be whether he could actually grasp an object (knife blade from Isabela's story, arrow head, heart, bone fragment, etc) while phasing through another person's body. If so, then that scenario is certainly possible. Yes, Anders does make a comment about Fenris "ripping someone's heart out of his chest," but we never see an actual heart being ripped out, only of him using the ability to cause pain or death.

You know speaking of Darkspawn that reminds me of something
that happened in Awakening.

Justice inhabited the dead body of Kristoff and later met
the wife. He took it upon himself to continue Kristoff’s cause of killing
Darkspawn.

So, <scratches head> this leads to another plot hole.
Why did Justice agree to take up this cause only to turn around and throw it
out the window, to take up a different cause with Anders?

Justice seemed rather adamant about avenging Kristoff’s death
for his widow giving him purpose in the mortal world. It is as if Justice
changed his mind over night.

I swear the more I dig around for information, it seems the
story in DA2 with Anders/Justice looks more and more like Swiss cheese.

I know Awakening was just DLC content, but come on; having a
character move from being on the sidelines to an important character in DA2, fill
the damn holes in.

When it comes to Helper’s writing, I am not one of those
people who wants to grab a torch and pitchfork and storm her house.  I just think Anders story would have been
above and beyond what we got if the story’s holes were filled in and seamed
together.

Modifié par Cantina, 30 mars 2012 - 06:33 .

[Dunizel]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

Justice was only attempting to accomplish what was natural to it: Justice. It saw it could do this by merging with Anders. I don't think it or any spirit has a concept of what is "good" or "right."

Hmm...You've got a point there. I guess that, after Awakening, I had a tendency to humanise him, given his experiences with Kristoff. But it is true that seeking justice is part of his nature...

*needs to ponder*

I also like to remember everytime that by the end of Awakening Justice started to desire the sensations he felt outside the Fade. He even had some banters about possessing other bodies.
I think that Justice, consciouly or not, didn't want to leave the human world. He had to leave the corpse of Kristoff though, and the cause of Anders seemed just enough. We cannot say if somehow he tempted Anders, who was indeed in difficult situation, and surely Anders was a bit too trusting on the matter since the spirit was a friend. We cannot even say if Justice imagined what would happen, probably both didn't think enough about it.

[Cantina]

:wub:MINE!





You know a thought came to me.. I had this image of putting the Friendship and Rivlary dialogue with the love scene and Sandal.



<Hawke leads Anders to the bed>

<Sandal walks in the room>


Sandal: Enchantment!!

Justice Leave this does not concern you!

Sandal: Enchantment!

Modifié par Cantina, 30 mars 2012 - 08:16 .

[Nilfalasiel]

cowoline wrote...

Imo what we need is a another morrigan ritual, where Hawke and Anders can make a Justice baby and a crashcart to kill Anders and then start his heart again( so  that Justice can leave anders and be transferred to the baby). I wonder if Fenris' "fisting-thing" is usefull as CPR?

Ogod, do not want...This reminded me of a terrible film, where sex was used as a means to revive a girl who'd just tried to hang herself.  It wasn't even played as an assault, just that both the director and the character in the film apparently thought that this was genuinely a good idea.

Cantina wrote...

You know speaking of Darkspawn that reminds me of something that happened in Awakening.

Justice inhabited the dead body of Kristoff and later met the wife. He took it upon himself to continue Kristoff’s cause of killing Darkspawn.

So, <scratches head> this leads to another plot hole. Why did Justice agree to take up this cause only to turn around and throw it out the window, to take up a different cause with Anders?

Justice seemed rather adamant about avenging Kristoff’s death for his widow giving him purpose in the mortal world. It is as if Justice changed his mind over night.

Well, not really. Killing the Architect and the Mother qualifies as defeating darkspawn. Justice didn't know about the mage problem when he first got shoved into Kristoff's body. He probably decided that it was a more urgent and important cause, especially since no one else was doing anything about it, whereas there were other Wardens to take care of any darkspawn stragglers.

I know Awakening was just DLC content, but come on; having a character move from being on the sidelines to an important character in DA2, fill the damn holes in.

Actually, Awakening was an expansion, not DLC. Which, admittedly, makes the problem worse, not better.

Dunizel wrote...

I also like to remember everytime that by the end of Awakening Justice started to desire the sensations he felt outside the Fade. He even had some banters about possessing other bodies.
I think that Justice, consciouly or not, didn't want to leave the human world. He had to leave the corpse of Kristoff though, and the cause of Anders seemed just enough. We cannot say if somehow he tempted Anders, who was indeed in difficult situation, and surely Anders was a bit too trusting on the matter since the spirit was a friend. We cannot even say if Justice imagined what would happen, probably both didn't think enough about it.

When I first heard Justice saying that he was feeling envy in Awakening, I remember going "oh, this is not good" in my head. Spirits are not supposed to be interested in the human world, envy is something demons feel. So while I don't think Justice has turned into a demon, he's certainly on a very slippery slope. Or living in the capital of Grey Arealand.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 31 mars 2012 - 11:04 .

[cowoline]

cowoline wrote...

Imo what we need is a another morrigan ritual, where Hawke and Anders can make a Justice baby and a crashcart to kill Anders and then start his heart again( so  that Justice can leave anders and be transferred to the baby). I wonder if Fenris' "fisting-thing" is usefull as CPR?

Ogod, do not want...This reminded me of a terrible film, where sex was used as a means to revive a girl who'd just tried to hang herself.  It wasn't even played as an assault, just that both the director and the character in the film apparently thought that this was genuinely a good idea.

...............................................ARGH!!!! Did not need that mental image! And my joke seemed so innocent (if a bit deranged). Probably shouldn't have reused Isabela's poor choice of words.
Besides i don't know if Fenris could resist the urge to get rid of Anders, especially if he made to comment where he thought it was a good idea to give Fenris to Danarius. (the only time where i really wanted to punch Anders right in the face:P)

Modifié par cowoline, 31 mars 2012 - 12:06 .

[Cantina]

cowoline wrote...

cowoline wrote...

Imo what we need is a another morrigan ritual, where Hawke and Anders can make a Justice baby and a crashcart to kill Anders and then start his heart again( so  that Justice can leave anders and be transferred to the baby). I wonder if Fenris' "fisting-thing" is usefull as CPR?

Ogod, do not want...This reminded me of a terrible film, where sex was used as a means to revive a girl who'd just tried to hang herself.  It wasn't even played as an assault, just that both the director and the character in the film apparently thought that this was genuinely a good idea.

...............................................ARGH!!!! Did not need that mental image! And my joke seemed so innocent (if a bit deranged). Probably shouldn't have reused Isabela's poor choice of words.
Besides i don't know if Fenris could resist the urge to get rid of Anders, especially if he made to comment where he thought it was a good idea to give Fenris to Danarius. (the only time where i really wanted to punch Anders right in the face:P)

Yeah but in my opinion I think that was a writer's mistake (amoung other things). Anders was not on board with slavery throughout the game. I have a hard time understanding him, giving the "OK" for Feneris to be given to Darnarius. Dunno <shrugs> does not make sense to me at least.

[gaurdian9sunshine]

 I don't think it was a mistake at all. It's no secret that Fenris and Anders didn't get along very well. He would rather have Fenris gone than him supporting the templars.