[quote]Cantina wrote...
No offense to you or to anyone here, but it really grits my
teeth to hear Anders being called a “terrorist.” [/quote]
Well it's not like he blew up a building, kiling people to enforce his own view and politics.
Oh wait.......
[quote]Cantina wrote...
Beyond that, I shake my head to hear those people who killed him, simply because there pissed at what he
did. [/quote]
Not just that. Anders is way out of his head. He do what he think is right, but so do every terorrist.
He wont stop. He would have continued to bring blood, death, widows, sorrow through Thedas because HE wanted it. He is trying to changed the world after his view based on his own opinions giving no opinions to the rest of the world. And those who isn't with his is against him. That includeds those who simply wants peace.
It might be due to Justice, but Anders is a danger. Had there been an option to put him in jail, I would. But this was not the case. I really think that it is stupid to let a man as out of the wits as Anders to run free and keep bring death.
[quote]Cantina wrote...
The way I see things is what Anders did needed to be done,
not exactly the right thing to do but it needed to be done. The Chantry for
over a thousand years has punished mages and used their religion to whip the
populace into fear about the mages. Sure, other Circles outside of Kirkwall
were no were near as bad, but Kirkwall was proof of how bad things can get and
the Chantry does nothing to step in. [/quote]
I am an Athiast. I think that religion is long over due and that we would be much better with out it.
And I really hate what religion has done and is still doing towards homosexuals. And how they want their belife to control the body of a woman who don't even share this belife if she wanted to do an abortion. In many countries, states and societies religion outlaws them. I am very much against that, but that do not mean that I should go and blow up a mosque or a church.
Right or wrong do not excuse an act of terorrism.
People could have risen with out violoence. As happend many times before.
[quote]Cantina wrote...
Elthina was preaching that she does not agree with Meredith’s
methods, yet allowed her to continue to do them. The Grand Cleric was offered
outside help from the Divine to calm the storm before it got worse and told Elthina
to leave and she refused.[/quote]
And because of that Anders murdering her is right? Shame on Elthina for wanting a peaceful solution.
[quote]Cantina wrote...
Elthina believed she could settle the dispute with
cookies and tea, but when you have argument that was festering for seven years
then add a thousand years on top of that, peaceful talks are not going to work.[/quote]
Because diplomacy never works and she could obviously see into the future.
I too like most others would want to see the peacful solution. How you can see blowing up a shurch and the people with in to start a war to be the right choice is truly beyond me.
[quote]Cantina wrote...
Elthina was trying to save the system, because she knows
that without the Templar Order the Chantry would be nothing.[/quote]
This is you assuming. The chantry would still be what it was seeing that it was the religion that the people belived in. Even Anders. The humans of Thedas belive in Andraste and their Maker. The chantry is first of all a place of their religion. And in there lies their power.
Mages and Templars are simply another note or part of it.
[quote]Cantina wrote...
She acts as if she is trying to calm the dispute, but taking a step back, she does nothing, all
Elthina was doing was making the situation worse not better. [/quote]
She does to little yes. But she tries to act as a peace maker. To prevent blood runing down the streets.
And it is she who keep Orsino and Meridith at bay throw out the years.
[quote]Cantina wrote...
The Templars and Chantry forced Anders to do what he did.[/quote]
Indeed. The held his cat Ser Pouncealot hostage and threatened to kill him......
Last time I checked every thing was Anders idea and doing. And the chantry never wanted war.
[quote]Cantina wrote...
Instead of to finding a solution through peaceful means (which was not going to
happen), he pushed the Templars and Mages in open war. You think it is better
for the mages to sit back, be completely powerless, letting Meradith continue down
her path of crushing the mages while the Chantry looks on and twiddles their thumbs.[/quote]
Changes was unavoidable. But the road could have been another one then war.
How you can see terorrism and a war as the best solotion is truly beyond me. And very disturbing.
Are you American?
[quote]Cantina wrote...
I do not believe Anders was solely responsible for his actions;
he did after all have a spirit of Justice inside him who no doubt had a larger
hand in the destruction of the Chantry.[/quote]
No doubt? This is you assuming. Or wishing would be more fiting.
[quote]Cantina wrote...
Besides if, Anders did not destroy the
Chantry, chances of an open war with the mages and Templars was bound to
happen. Other mages such as the Revolutionist were already pushing for war with
their actions.[/quote]
So... That Anders was the one makes it more right? Dear lord. Fangirlism is delusion on high levels.
His actions will always come down as an act of terorrism to enforce his own view and politic.
[quote]Cantina wrote...
People like to point fingers at Anders, but refuse to
acknowledge what other mages were doing. Granted it was not as big as what
Anders did, but still they had their hand in the cookie jar too (my mage being
one of them). [/quote]
I do not defend the actions of other mages, templars or any people who do something wrong.
But it was Anders and not them who blew up the chantry, killing people and starting a bloody war.
And last time I checked this was a thread about Anders and not every single bad person in Thedas.
[quote]Cantina wrote...
Beyond that, people are saying “Think of all the innocents killed
in the Chantry.” OK, do you have a list of people who were in the Chantry? As
far as I can tell from the cut scene, there was only a handful of Templars, the
Grand Cleric and another priestess.[/quote]
And they did what exactly to deserve being murderd?
Hey. I'm not a fan of religious people but blowing up a church and those who believe in that religion is wrong. I child could tell that.
[quote]Cantina wrote...
I did not see the Chantry packed with by
standards and the debris afterward was thrown out to sea and the bits that were
in the city disintegrated into dust before hitting the ground. Anders stated in
the game, he would make sure few innocents as possible were killed; maybe he
had a plan to keep people from going into the Chantry. Maybe people stayed in
their homes and avoided the Chantry. We do not know all the details, so claiming
thousands upon thousands of lives died is pure speculation not fact. [/quote]
Those with in was still innocent. At least when it comes down to being murderd in the name of one mans opinions. And with a war ragin on around Thedas due to Anders doing. There will be a count of dead persons both on the mages, templars and the people in between. Regardless to what the belive in.
[quote]Cantina wrote...
Even IF my character were not in love with him, she would
have not killed him. I believe it is better to live with the consequences of
your actions then slink off into the shadows and have everyone else fix it for you.[/quote]
Not if it would mean him runing free and continuing what he does.
If sending one to jail wasn't an option what would you do with a serie killer who has every intentions of continuing?
Kill him or let him go free?
[quote]Cantina wrote...
Did Anders make a mistake? In my opinion,
I view it as a means of necessary. Something like this was bound to happen
sooner or later, Anders just made it come sooner than later. [/quote]
Terorrism a means of necessary? You really do have a very disturbing view on things.
[quote]Cantina wrote...
I think the problem is people try to use real life
situations to compare Anders actions too. The problem is two things: One, there
is nothing in real life you can compare his actions too. Secondly trying to use
real life situations on a game is just, well idiotic. Minus well try to compare
and apple and orange while you are at it. [/quote]
Ah yes. Terorrism and killing people are good things when it isn't in real life.....
One sees and know the line between a game and reality. But meanings stand true in both.
[quote]Cantina wrote...
I am a role player, so I tend to get inside my character’s
head (so to speak) and choose how I want to build her to ensure I get the best possible
gaming experience. She believes in mage freedom as much as Anders does. She
supports him in destroying the Chantry because it was necessary. It is hard for
her to hate someone when she has the same views as he does and then you add her
being in love with him that just makes it harder for her to hate him. [/quote]
All my characters no matter whom the romanced have supported the mages. But supporting mages do not mean that they support terorrism and killing innocent.
Suporting Anders actions are not suporting the mages. That is only suporting fanatic terorrism or an extreme personal view.
[quote]Cantina wrote...
Killing Anders is not going to make up for what happened nor
is it going to rebuild the Chantry. IF you are looking for someone to point the
finger at, blame the Chantry, The Templars and The Seekers.[/quote]
Indeed. I shall blame them for blowing up themselves.
What Anders did was an act solemly based on his own view. The mages around Thedas are neither terorrists nor posseds like Anders. They do not agree with his actions. Only deluded and extreme fanatics do.
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Thank you.... now i can spend the next few moments giggiling at ".. the mother of all awkaward ones, but still.." 
*forgive me, Anders fans* but no, Fenris doesn't hate mages. He respects mage!Hawke and he respects Bethany. He DISTRUSTS mages because he believes power corrupts. He thinks they should voluntarily go to the Circle simply because they ought to understand that they are constantly in danger of giving in to temptation. He doesn't think all mages should be slaughtered or made tranquil outright. He's not a raving lunatic or anything. It would make more sense for him to advocate assassinating Anders after CHANTRY GO BOOM then to gleefully agree that they should murder every person in the Circle simply because they, too, are mages. Fenris has never, EVER advocated killing a mage who wasn't a blood mage or what have you. He always just advocates sending them back to the Circle.
