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[esper]

Trista Hawke wrote...

The Anders-Fenris b*tch fest between the two is rather golden. Having them fight over you = win.

Am I the only one not enjoying this?
Perhaps it is just because I know that I wouldn't like having anyone fighting over me in real life, so it sort of transfer to games where I am mostly ultra faithfull to my chosen LI.

[gaurdian9sunshine]

Trista Hawke wrote...

The Anders-Fenris b*tch fest between the two is rather golden. Having them fight over you = win.

I really love those banter convrosations too.

[Cantina]

esper wrote...

Trista Hawke wrote...

The Anders-Fenris b*tch fest between the two is rather golden. Having them fight over you = win.

Am I the only one not enjoying this?
Perhaps it is just because I know that I wouldn't like having anyone fighting over me in real life, so it sort of transfer to games where I am mostly ultra faithfull to my chosen LI.

You are not the only one hun. I do not find it appealing
seeing two grown men fighting over someone even in a game, it is rather
pathetic. I have different outcomes from Origins, I like to see what impact
it plays on DA2, so my main character is all I play. Each time I go through the
game, Anders is the only person I romance and will romance. I was curious one
time, what would happen if you flirt with Tallis? Then Anders made the comment in party
banter and I felt bad about flirting with her.

Doing a love triangle simply would never happen in my game,
I find doing so accomplishes nothing other than to relive my high school years.
Then to have the thought of Fenris as romance is just revolting, there
is nothing about him that I find attractive. Having my character be devoted to
a single character [Anders] seems far more romantic. I certainly would not
cause such a situation to happen in my daily life, no reason to cause one in my
game either.

Modifié par Cantina, 16 avril 2012 - 09:00 .

[esper]

Cantina wrote...

esper wrote...

Trista Hawke wrote...

The Anders-Fenris b*tch fest between the two is rather golden. Having them fight over you = win.

Am I the only one not enjoying this?
Perhaps it is just because I know that I wouldn't like having anyone fighting over me in real life, so it sort of transfer to games where I am mostly ultra faithfull to my chosen LI.

You are not the only one hun. I do not find it appealing
seeing two grown men fighting over someone even in a game, it is rather
pathetic. I have different outcomes from Origins, I like to see what impact
it plays on DA2, so my main character is all I play. Each time I go through the
game, Anders is the only person I romance and will romance. I was curious one
time, what would happen if you flirt with Tallis? Then Anders made the comment in party
banter and I felt bad about flirting with her.

Doing a love triangle simply would never happen in my game,
I find doing so accomplishes nothing other than to relive my high school years.
Then to have the thought of Fenris as romance is just revolting, there
is nothing about him that I find attractive. Having my character be devoted to
a single character [Anders] seems far more romantic. I certainly would not
cause such a situation to happen in my daily life, no reason to cause one in my
game either.

I manage to do one full 1 Fenris and 1 Merrill romance where I was loyal to the,. Fenris I will never touch again because I play mage and I felt like dating someone who hates part of me which I just couldn't get past, and Merrill is so effictively little sister-zoned in my mind that it just felt wrong. Isabella I just don't find attractive at all.

My Rival did go Fenris, Isabella, Anders, but my Rival were specifically designed to do just rebound on Anders and I will still to this day claim that Anders were in an emotinally abusive relentionship. She was an interesting roleplay characther, but I never really liked her.

And I don't really get the appeal of jealosy conversations. I would hate it, if it happen in real life since that would mean I have involentary led someone on, and in game... well its the same. I can play a flawed characther like Rival, but I still percieve it as flaw in the characther and don't find it amusing. And when it comes to Anders it is extra bad since I feel he needs all the emotional support he can get from Hawke and wondering if Hawke is two-timing him or still having emotional attachment to one of the person he fislikes so much... I just can't do that to him.

[Cantina]

esper wrote...

And when it comes to Anders it is extra bad since I feel he needs all the emotional support he can get from Hawke and wondering if Hawke is two-timing him or still having emotional attachment to one of the person he fislikes so much... I just can't do that to him.

Well said, hun, well said.

As I said I role-play my main character, going from one
romance to Anders makes me sometimes think. Does Anders really love my
character or is he doing this just because he wants to take something away from
that person because he dislikes them?  It feels more like Anders truly
loves my character when you do not have any strings from a previous
relationship for Anders to tug on much less my character emotional wise or not.

Anders is so very much in love with Hawke and is very protective
over her/him. Choosing to do something that could cause strain on the
relationship is bound to cause ripples. I for one seeing as to how so emotionally
unstable Anders is and so emotionally attached to my Hawke or anyone’s Hawke
making those ripples sounds like your characters feelings towards Anders are
not the same. If so, it is best just to walk away and not antagonize the person
your character claims to love. I for one am not willing to poke a lion with a
stick just to test his anger.

But alas this just my opinion.

Modifié par Cantina, 17 avril 2012 - 05:01 .

[Nilfalasiel]

Chipping in into the dialogue choices convo: they can really make a big difference. Before I even played the game, I kept hearing how Anders was totally infatuated with Hawke even if not romanced. I couldn't verify this on my first playthrough, since my Hawke was romancing him, but with my Fenmancing Hawke...I didn't get that impression at all. Mainly because you can completely bypass the flirting and turndown during the first convo after Karl if you choose to direct it onto the topic of Justice. After that, Anders makes absolutely no moves on Hawke, and their interactions come across more as him being grateful for support and friendship. Heck, even his comment about Hawke needing someone more tolerant than Fenris sounded like simple friendly concern because he hadn't shown any prior interest.
 
What I'm trying to say is that, in some cases, you do have a modicum of control over companions' personalities and not just the protagonist's, and that's what I feel about the situation in Alone. The best comparison that comes to mind is Garrus' Loyalty Mission in ME2. Depending on what you decide to do with Sidonis, you're - for lack of a better term - retroactively deciding what kind of personality he's had all along. I'm basing this on what he says if you Paragon the situation: if your Shepard is merciful enough to let Sidonis live, it comes as a package deal with a Garrus who, deep down, didn't actually want to shoot him. Similarly, if your Hawke is callous enough to sell Fenris into slavery, then it comes as a package deal with an Anders who's enough of a douchebag to be happy about it.

Another comparison would be hardening Leliana in DAO. This is different from hardening Alistair, because in his case, the hardening is exclusively due to the Warden's prompting. In Leliana's case, it's more about you, as the player, deciding what she's been like all along: did she really reform, or was she secretly bored about being a Chantry sister? This isn't due to the Warden's influence, it's more about getting her to admit her real nature to herself. It's just that, for gameplay purposes, you have direct control over that. Except that, in Leliana's case, it's more flexible than in the other two: you can still kill Marjolaine and not harden her.

[Cantina]

I was digging around just for sh!ts and giggles and someone mentioned that Anders says this....


"It's still a thrill to turn and see you beside me"



I never heard him say that, has anyone heard him say that?

Maybe it was a dialogue option that was removed or perhaps forgotten to be placed in the game?

[Ryzaki]

esper wrote...

Trista Hawke wrote...

The Anders-Fenris b*tch fest between the two is rather golden. Having them fight over you = win.

Am I the only one not enjoying this?
Perhaps it is just because I know that I wouldn't like having anyone fighting over me in real life, so it sort of transfer to games where I am mostly ultra faithfull to my chosen LI.

Nope.

I also find it extremely annoying.

Especially when in my eyes at least it's uncalled for (my Hawke's only in a relationship with Fenris and has made no passes at all to Anders).

Becomes a "by god get your own." moment for my Hawke.

And to go to an old topic the Alone line yeah...makes me grimance. I can't take that line and not have it taint other playthroughs.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 avril 2012 - 06:37 .

[madzilla84]

Cantina wrote...

I was digging around just for sh!ts and giggles and someone mentioned that Anders says this....


"It's still a thrill to turn and see you beside me"



I never heard him say that, has anyone heard him say that?

Maybe it was a dialogue option that was removed or perhaps forgotten to be placed in the game?

It's in the game. He says it if you click on him while he's in the party at the beginning of Act 3. He doesn't have it available to say for that long though - after a short time (a few quests, I think) he starts to talk about how he wants to speak privately, how their cause is almost lost, etc. 

[Cantina]

madzilla84 wrote...

Cantina wrote...

I was digging around just for sh!ts and giggles and someone mentioned that Anders says this....


"It's still a thrill to turn and see you beside me"



I never heard him say that, has anyone heard him say that?

Maybe it was a dialogue option that was removed or perhaps forgotten to be placed in the game?

It's in the game. He says it if you click on him while he's in the party at the beginning of Act 3. He doesn't have it available to say for that long though - after a short time (a few quests, I think) he starts to talk about how he wants to speak privately, how their cause is almost lost, etc. 

Well I'll be damned. I have played this game for a few months now and I'm still finding stuff I never knew before.


Thank you! 


Shame they did not keep it in there even after Justice Quest. Kind of bothers me afterwards clicking on him and all he says is "I think were better focusing on the task at hand."

Modifié par Cantina, 18 avril 2012 - 01:41 .

[Nilfalasiel]

Cantina wrote...

Well I'll be damned. I have played this game for a few months now and I'm still finding stuff I never knew before.

Thank you! 

Shame they did not keep it in there even after Justice Quest. Kind of bothers me afterwards clicking on him and all he says is "I think were better focusing on the task at hand."

Same here, never heard that line before. Methinks another playthrough is in order soon!

And yeah, I also put off doing the Justice quest until last (I almost wrote "doing Justice", but that's a tad dodgy), because Anders closes up afterwards, and I'd rather minimise the amount of time he spends in that state. That, and it also makes more sense, given how the boom looks like it's supposed to happen at night of the very same day where you go distract the Grand Cleric.

[smallwhippet]

Me too: postponing the inevitable is essential.
In my very first play through I was so enamoured with Anders that I did all his quests immediately and had to spend the whole of Act 3 being cold-shouldered with the black coat of doom.

[esper]

Never heard that line - new playthrough starting now.

[berelinde]

smallwhippet wrote...

Me too: postponing the inevitable is essential.
In my very first play through I was so enamoured with Anders that I did all his quests immediately and had to spend the whole of Act 3 being cold-shouldered with the black coat of doom.

That made me LOL so hard. That's exactly what happens to me in Act 3, and yeah, that line is so much better than the coldness. What's worse, if you go leave the mansion in the epilogue and bring Anders to the Black Emporium, he's still saying that we'd be better off concentrating on the task at hand.

[Cantina]

smallwhippet wrote...

Me too: postponing the inevitable is essential.
In my very first play through I was so enamoured with Anders that I did all his quests immediately and had to spend the whole of Act 3 being cold-shouldered with the black coat of doom.

I do the whole Justice quest right away simply because, well, Anders looks so sexy in that black coat outfit.

But hmmmm, as someone mentioned above from a role play perspective it does make more sense to wait. I'll have to do that on this play through.

[smallwhippet]

Cantina wrote...

smallwhippet wrote...

Me too: postponing the inevitable is essential.
In my very first play through I was so enamoured with Anders that I did all his quests immediately and had to spend the whole of Act 3 being cold-shouldered with the black coat of doom.

I do the whole Justice quest right away simply because, well, Anders looks so sexy in that black coat outfit.

But hmmmm, as someone mentioned above from a role play perspective it does make more sense to wait. I'll have to do that on this play through.

Definitely agree with the aesthetic consideration,

[esper]

smallwhippet wrote...

Cantina wrote...

smallwhippet wrote...

Me too: postponing the inevitable is essential.
In my very first play through I was so enamoured with Anders that I did all his quests immediately and had to spend the whole of Act 3 being cold-shouldered with the black coat of doom.

I do the whole Justice quest right away simply because, well, Anders looks so sexy in that black coat outfit.

But hmmmm, as someone mentioned above from a role play perspective it does make more sense to wait. I'll have to do that on this play through.

Definitely agree with the aesthetic consideration,

Actually I do it right away. From an rp-perspective it makes most sense for my Hawke to help when Anders ask her. She would definitly throw everything away she was working on and rush to his side. and since I believe that Anders staff-slamming is the trigger, I can imagine him placing the thing in as good time as possible, just in case that Meridith decides to ignore the champion-title and rush the mansion anyway to arrest him and Hawke.

Also I can imagine Hawke and Anders spending month in uncomfortable silence. Both waiting for something to happen-

[smallwhippet]

esper wrote...

smallwhippet wrote...

Cantina wrote...

smallwhippet wrote...

Me too: postponing the inevitable is essential.
In my very first play through I was so enamoured with Anders that I did all his quests immediately and had to spend the whole of Act 3 being cold-shouldered with the black coat of doom.

I do the whole Justice quest right away simply because, well, Anders looks so sexy in that black coat outfit.

But hmmmm, as someone mentioned above from a role play perspective it does make more sense to wait. I'll have to do that on this play through.

Definitely agree with the aesthetic consideration,

Actually I do it right away. From an rp-perspective it makes most sense for my Hawke to help when Anders ask her. She would definitly throw everything away she was working on and rush to his side. and since I believe that Anders staff-slamming is the trigger, I can imagine him placing the thing in as good time as possible, just in case that Meridith decides to ignore the champion-title and rush the mansion anyway to arrest him and Hawke.

Also I can imagine Hawke and Anders spending month in uncomfortable silence. Both waiting for something to happen-

...and I really appreciate the fact that there is enough flexibility within the game structure to allow different players to engage with the narrative in whichever way and to whatever degree suits them: it's one of the great strengths of this genre. 

[Cantina]

esper wrote...

smallwhippet wrote...

Cantina wrote...

smallwhippet wrote...

Me too: postponing the inevitable is essential.
In my very first play through I was so enamoured with Anders that I did all his quests immediately and had to spend the whole of Act 3 being cold-shouldered with the black coat of doom.

I do the whole Justice quest right away simply because, well, Anders looks so sexy in that black coat outfit.

But hmmmm, as someone mentioned above from a role play perspective it does make more sense to wait. I'll have to do that on this play through.

Definitely agree with the aesthetic consideration,

Actually I do it right away. From an rp-perspective it makes most sense for my Hawke to help when Anders ask her. She would definitly throw everything away she was working on and rush to his side. and since I believe that Anders staff-slamming is the trigger, I can imagine him placing the thing in as good time as possible, just in case that Meridith decides to ignore the champion-title and rush the mansion anyway to arrest him and Hawke.

Also I can imagine Hawke and Anders spending month in uncomfortable silence. Both waiting for something to happen-

That is also true. Pretty much says one thing about my character, Anders needs help, she drop everything and help him.

Modifié par Cantina, 19 avril 2012 - 12:36 .

[Dwarva]

smallwhippet wrote...
...and I really appreciate the fact that there is enough flexibility within the game structure to allow different players to engage with the narrative in whichever way and to whatever degree suits them: it's one of the great strengths of this genre. 

I couldn't agree more. It says so much about the whole game system that something as small as what time you do a quest says so much about the relationship between the characters and how it's interpreted.

[cowoline]

I just finished reading "Asunder".... It was great! (imo at least):D

As much as I disagree with Anders' radical approach, it made me so happy to read it their was a greater result. (Tried not to make spoilers for those who have not read it:))

[gaurdian9sunshine]

cowoline wrote...

I just finished reading "Asunder".... It was great! (imo at least):D

As much as I disagree with Anders' radical approach, it made me so happy to read it their was a greater result. (Tried not to make spoilers for those who have not read it:))

I really liked the end of asunder as well.

[Dwarva]

So I just finished another DA2 runthrough and thought 'I'll go back to Skyrim for a bit'. Bad move. I played about 5 minutes before thinking 'you know what would make this game better? Anders...' and just general team chatter. So I gave up and started another DA2 run.

I think I'm addicted. xD

[Cantina]

Staarbux wrote...

So I just finished another DA2 runthrough and thought 'I'll go back to Skyrim for a bit'. Bad move. I played about 5 minutes before thinking 'you know what would make this game better? Anders...' and just general team chatter. So I gave up and started another DA2 run.

I think I'm addicted. xD

LMAO! Welcome to the club, hun. I cannot tell you how many times I have played this game. Damn you Anders!