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[berelinde]

saintjimmy43 wrote...

Anders: "I'll solve this conflict with conflict!"

**** anders.

Alternatively: "The only thing you understand is violence? Fine." It's all a matter of perspective.

[Renmiri1]

If you read Asunder you see that what Anders did was pretty much inevitable. Meredith and a lot of other mad Templars and Seekers elsewhere were already maiming and killing innocents to force a conflict.

Modifié par Renmiri1, 01 août 2012 - 11:07 .

[Amirit]

It is called "Historical moment" - when it does not matter who and where, time simply came to end a situation.

Modifié par Amirit, 01 août 2012 - 09:31 .

[cowoline]

It seemed inevitable all along. I sometimes believe that even Elthina knew this. Ever tried warning her instead of helping Anders? She just stays in the chantry anyway (even the bloody divine herself warned her) It almost seems like she had a deathwish or/and refused to see the reality of the situation. The fact that Elthina is concerned to even reprimande Meredith shows that the templars are already turning the tables on the Chantry and starting to take power. This only becomes more apparent when you read about the Lord seeker in Asunder.

"Magic is meant to serve man, never to rule over him." Yet you have templars and the chantry doing just that (By taking lytium and using phylactaries).

[berelinde]

Yes, that's the great irony of it.

Lyrium is also considered a gift of the Maker, and the templars misuse that gift to cause others deliberate harm. It's rather ironic. Heck, paint it with broad enough strokes, and *any* talent is a Maker-given gift. The chantry should be coming down hard on *anyone* who subjugates another for selfish ends. But mages are easier to target.

[Renmiri1]

Meredith had sent request for the Right of Annulment before Anders even got inside the Chantry to plant his bomb. She was squeezing mages until one of them gave her an excuse to use it..

And on Asunder we see she wasn't the only one and it wasn't due to her pure Lyrium idol sword. Templars wanted more power and needed to get mages so desperate that they provided an excuse for templars to seize it. Adrian and Anders were just convenient pawns in the templars quest for excuses to seize power from the Chantry.

Wish Asunder had some pages on Anders and his Champion fighting for mage freedom.

[esper]

I shall be honest to say that I consider the books non-canon untill the event in them are translated into lore in the game. But for me the Chantry is and always will be the bad guy no matter what and not the templars. The templars think the way they does because off how they had been schooled by the Chantry. The chantry are a slow working poison with regard to the mages as they will always be those who will use the chantry's current intrepetation of the Chant of Light to say that mages a less than human, just as there a those who still uses the bible to preach against women, homosexuality and you named, And those preachers must never be in charge of the mages again.

Compared to that the templars are a wild dog with rabies. Now where it has lost its chantry collar, people will eventually see them as the dog they are and either demand that they are tamed and cured of the rabies or that they be put down. Mayby not in this age or the next, but without cirles to sent the mages to, mage have won the long term war as parents now have no choice, but to shield that magi children (any many will, faith be dammed do that enough that in times, prominent mages will rise, leaders who wants to challange the chantry will benefit and healing is still something only magi can do well). As long as there just are no prison to send the mages back to, the mages will win war in the end, even should they lose some battles.

[berelinde]

^^ I agree with every word you said.

[Renmiri1]

Agreed too.

Ofc being an atheist helps me be very weary of organized faith in any form. Chant of Light included

[cowoline]

Agreed! Equal rights, freedom of speech and love all around to mage supporters:D<3

[Melca36]

saintjimmy43 wrote...

Anders: "I'll solve this conflict with conflict!"

**** anders.

[Wrathion]

Melca36 wrote...

saintjimmy43 wrote...

Anders: "I'll solve this conflict with conflict!"

**** anders.

That is one sexy screencap. Can I have it?

[Melca36]

Alexandrine Delassixe wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

saintjimmy43 wrote...

Anders: "I'll solve this conflict with conflict!"

**** anders.

That is one sexy screencap. Can I have it?

Sure

Help yourself.

[Wrathion]

Melca36 wrote...
Sure

Help yourself.

Yay, Thank you!!<3

[ladyofpayne]

Anders emotions. He is sexy when he angry. ARRR!

[Renmiri1]

** drools **

[Renmiri1]

 This thread needs more Anders 

[ladyofpayne]

Comandante A

[Renmiri1]

New video with lots of Anders goodness. Just short clips of in game banter with some Legacy clips added. Like the one Anders admits to drunkenly kissing an Ogre

[Xilizhra]

So I had a thought... after reading Asunder, I wondered if a mage Hawke who sided with the mages might assume leadership of the Gallows survivors and show up incognito to Fiona's meeting as de facto First Enchanter of Kirkwall. Would Anders support this/accompany Hawke? His doing so seems a guarantee if romanced, but I romance Merrill and suspect that Anders may find the idea interesting anyway.

Or, if Hawke isn't a mage, Bethany doing the same thing. Which may fit better, since she was actually in the Circle.

[berelinde]

I could definitely see Hawke doing this. It would depend on the Hawke, of course. Some would probably prefer to get out of town as quickly as possible and leave the mages to their own devices, but it's definitely possible that a Hawke that makes it to the end as a mage supporter would not abandon them. My Hawke would take a leadership role reluctantly, but he would do it.

I can't see Bethany doing it, though. She is too passive. I could see her lending her support to a more assertive mage and accompanying the mage to Fiona's meeting in that capacity, but she isn't a leader.

[Xilizhra]

Well, Bethany does at least advance into the role of a teacher rather quickly, so she's a bit of a leader in that regard. I can't remember whether or not she managed an unprecedentedly quick rise to the position of enchanter, though. She's not as much of a leader as Hawke, I'll agree there.

Would Anders go along with Hawke even if not romanced, or would he not want anything more to do with the Circle in that regard?

Modifié par Xilizhra, 06 août 2012 - 11:09 .

[berelinde]

A lot of people are going to disagree with me on this one, but I think he would go. The fate of the Circle and its inmates is very important to him, even if he rejects the necessity of it. I don't think he could *not* go, although he'd be whingeing and moaning every step of the way.

[esper]

My Hawke would go, definitly. If she was inviteted. Since Asunder is a year after Kirkwall I am not sure how Fiona would find her.

[Xilizhra]

I don't know if Fiona would know to send an invitation, so I could see Hawke just showing up.