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motomotogirl wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

 I have two kids and my first kid was a total surprise, my doctor had told me I couldn't have kids. I found out about being pregnant about 7-8 weeks into it.

Aww cute story  What I wonder sometimes though, is how can a woman not know she's pregnant??  I know in your case you were told you couldn't become pregnant, so you probably subconsciously disregarded the signs.  But when my period is even a day or so late, warning bells start going off in my head.

I know you can still spot-bleed while pregnant, but even that would throw me off.

Because even as fully matured it is not garanteed to have a regular period. If you have irregular period and a bad sense of time it can be hard to keep track off if it was three or four or five week since and then before you know it a month and a half have passed.. (Personal experience)


I am kinda jealous of those who knows which day they are suppossed to get it.  

[berelinde]

My neighbor did not find out she was pregnant until she was 20 weeks along. She went to the doctor to find out why she had intermittent nausea at around 14 weeks and they couldn't find anything wrong with her. She had been having normal periods (for her). After weeks of diet modification and various tests, somebody finally thought to do a pregnancy test ("I know that you're currently menstruating, but we've tried everything else"). It came back positive, so they sent her in for ultrasound to determine how far along she was. They expected her to come back at around 9-12 weeks. They were very, very surprised with the results. The only cycle she actually missed was the last one.

In Hawke's case, she probably has more important things on her mind than the date of her last period. Everybody and his dog is asking for help, she's got a string of nobles sending her party invitations every day, and her lover is becoming increasingly withdrawn and seems to be losing his mind (the part that isn't shared with a Fade spirit). I wouldn't be surprised if several months passed without her wondering why her cycle is off.

[Renmiri1]

cowoline wrote...

It depends. I close friend of mine was told she couldn't have children and this condition qalso made her periodes iregular. Sometimes women can bleed a little even though they are pregnant. This could easily result in not noticing the pregnancy in its early stages.

Yup, my periods were irregular so I was clueless.

berelinde wrote...

My neighbor did not find out she was pregnant until she was 20 weeks along. She went to the doctor to find out why she had intermittent nausea at around 14 weeks and they couldn't find anything wrong with her. She had been having normal periods (for her). After weeks of diet modification and various tests, somebody finally thought to do a pregnancy test ("I know that you're currently menstruating, but we've tried everything else"). It came back positive, so they sent her in for ultrasound to determine how far along she was. They expected her to come back at around 9-12 weeks. They were very, very surprised with the results. The only cycle she actually missed was the last one.

In Hawke's case, she probably has more important things on her mind than the date of her last period. Everybody and his dog is asking for help, she's got a string of nobles sending her party invitations every day, and her lover is becoming increasingly withdrawn and seems to be losing his mind (the part that isn't shared with a Fade spirit). I wouldn't be surprised if several months passed without her wondering why her cycle is off.

 

Yup, that is my plan for the fanfic 


PS: I don't think a lot of people have seen this hilarious scene with Fenris, Anders and Hawke. Is not on the Wiki, I only found out by accident 
Watch Hawke, Fenris and Anders on 4:43, it is priceless! 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 18 août 2012 - 12:57 .

[Cerah]

Just throwing out there, I really like the idea of a HawkexAnders baby.
Plus it's kind of cute, and... idk, "adorable" (for lack of better words?) in the sense it'd probably a bit... difficult for Anders to have kids, since he carries the Darkspawn taint, which inhibits fertility. :c Probably doesn't help that he has been a warden for a couple of years now, too.

I was really kind of sad you couldn't adopt/have a kid or something though. I mean, I understand why they never put it in (plus DA2 was rushed as it is), though it could have been pretty cute if it was implemented right. And I mean, even if you where to do "well, what about fenris/merrill and Hawke," call human/elf kids are always human, no matter what... so it's not like they'd really have to go out and make a hybrid model... but I digress.

I really like Anders, though I sort of have a love/hate relationship with him in DA2; I would have really liked it if his change in personality happened slower... if he was more like is Awakening counterpart in act 1, falling "more from himself" in act 2, to finally concluding with his actions in act 3. But like I said, DA2 was rushed. meh. P:

[NRieh]

Hello there!
Just a quick question - and I 'll lurk back. Does playing awakening has any serious impacts on Anders DA2 arc? I'd prefer spoiler-free answer if it's possible.

I did not get any DLC for DAO and I'm on my first DA2 now (act 3 started). Ironically, I was initially going to pick Fenris, but I did not metagame hard enough to get and keep proper rival % soon, while Anders took initiative first. 8P

I can't compare him to awakening version, and I think he fits my Hawke. I should give credits to writers - they made me emotionally involved in this game at some point, which I though is next to impossible after my heavy ME shenko background (still not gone, to be honest)

My dislike goes more towards no-dialogues system, little banter with narrow choice of subjects and very short interactions with companions - not to characters themselves. But that's what makes both him and Fenris look as stupid teens affected by negativism. One is like "save the mage" hippy, another "kill the mage" ex-slave maniac. But as I said - I see problem not in writing or acting here, but in overall game mechanics changes....and I thought ME3 was hard on communications and relations compared to ME1 and even ME2, lol.

[CuriousArtemis]

Playing Awakening doesn't have any real impact on the Anders story in DA2, no

It's too bad you messed up the Fenris romance because I think it's just better constructed than Anders'. The ending is also much more satisfying. I don't want to spoil, so I'll say no more. But that's not to say that I prefer one character over the other. I think they're both very lovely boys

[NRieh]

It's too bad you messed up the Fenris romance because I think it's just better constructed than Anders

It's hard to say for sure, because I don't know what I'm missing (yet). But I like how it turned out (for now). I absolutely 100% expected much less from this game, in many ways. Which is probably because I did not treat DAO any personal. I mean - it was much less personal to me than ME. I liked it, as I enjoy a well done NWN offspring, good old D20 system etc. But DAO did not really amaze me, and I got both DAO and DA2 just because they were 50% price on origin at some point, so - I decided to try them out.

And as for my "mistake"..While I see both men are made as "plain" as can be - Anders seems less...linear. Which is hardly a surprise, considering his...uhm..feature. I like him. His animation is also done nice, I like how his quest lines acknowledge ongoing romance. Though Fenris voice would thrill me more, probably... But I'm yet to see how it all ends, right. And I'm not in mood for metagaming, spoilers and wiki-reading, so - what will be will be.

[Renmiri1]

I romanced both Fenris and Anders and also switched from Fenris to Anders. The best story arc IMHO is the switch, followed by pure Anders romance. Although Fenris does get some nice stuff on Act 3 and Anders on Act 3 is a mix of rushed stuff and sweet stuff.

lol. Anders, Alistair, Kaidan and Liara are pretty much always there pinning for you. You barely have to do anything and you find them head over heels about you mid game  And Anders doesn't care if you had "a tumble" with other companions, while Fenris won't get near you if you romanced someone else already. 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 18 août 2012 - 07:45 .

[berelinde]

 I'm still an Anders girl, and probably always will be.

I tried writing a Fenris fic for Sia since she tried to get me an invite to AO3, but it just turned out badly. Read it if you like. I had the same problems with it that I did with the romance itself. It was a post-reconciliation one-shot, and I got bored and abandoned it halfway through. Ooh, the trauma, the angst, the desperation of... nothing. That's the trouble with Fenris. He was written on the Valen formula of tortured past and associated commitment issues, but he doesn't have that tiefling thing working for him to justify his issues. Ultimately, the fic failed because I couldn't convince myself that Fenris had any emotional investment. It wasn't real.

Don't know if this is because I'm a bit older and did the dating thing for 20+ years before I found a keeper, but the problem I always had with Fenris was that I know how it ends. The "memories" were an excuse. He broke it off with the Hawke because he couldn't deal with commitment. Three years later, he realizes that he could have had hot-and-cold running sex if only he hadn't been so skittish, so he makes a booty call and Hawke forgives him. As soon as he has what he wants, he'll be back to playing the field on the sly, because the underlying issues were never addressed. He still isn't ready to make a life together, or he'd want some kind of living-together arrangement. Instead, he wants to maintain his independence.... and the ability to entertain others when Hawke is out of town.

That's one of the reasons I like Fenris with Isabela. They're both in it for the fun, and they're both happier that way. Trying to tie the elf down with promises will only end in tears.

Of course, this is DA2. A romance with Anders has tears enough on its own, but at least they're for something worthwhile... assuming that your Hawke thinks mage freedom is worthwhile.

Modifié par berelinde, 18 août 2012 - 09:08 .

[Renmiri1]

@berelinde - Nrieh asked for no spoilers

Agreed. To me Anders >>>>>>> Fenris for starters because I despise racism and xenophobia in all it's flavors, even if the guy's past gives him a reason to be racist against mages, his raw hatred for them usually turns me off. I liked the challenge of making Fenris date a mageHawke though and he is cute enough (and that voice!) that I was able to finish that playthrough. But even though my Hawke is crazy for Anders, the switch from Fenris to Anders adds some fun convos so I usually try to get the tattoed elf first, then I stop forcing my Hawke to stay away from her "Blondie" and let my sweet possessed mage move in :wub:

Modifié par Renmiri1, 18 août 2012 - 09:34 .

[berelinde]

Whoops! Guess I blew it on the "no spoilers" part. That's what I get for not reading everything that was posted since the last time I looked.

[NRieh]

@berelinde - Nrieh asked for no spoilers

If there were any - I did not notice anyway, so that's ok. 8) Main thing that interested me - how much did my lack of awakening change things. No spoilers was mostly about this part.

And though I don't want to get into further ending details (still on first play, yes) I can see where that "tears" part may come from.

Probably, that's what attracted me here. It does not feel like 100% hero-centric arc (unlike, let's say, DAO Alistair) Which is one of things I loved so much about ME Alenko. If they wrote some proper interactrions (not necessary DAO anytime-kiss thing - that was a bit... unnatural for me, to be honest) I could say that it's more than just good. As it is - it's much better than I expected, and I enjoy it.

[CuriousArtemis]

Nrieh wrote...

Which is one of things I loved so much about ME Alenko. If they wrote some proper interactrions (not necessary DAO anytime-kiss thing - that was a bit... unnatural for me, to be honest) I could say that it's more than just good. As it is - it's much better than I expected, and I enjoy it.

Ahh another Kaiden lover   And I only played ME3, yet I STILL love that guy.  Just a great character.  I kind of prefer him for myself rather than Shepard xD  There's just no way to make a not-so-macho Shepard.

I think Alistair is an interesting character, too; I'm romancing him for the first time because I'm playing a female Warden for the first time (stupid gender DA:O restrictions ... grrr).  He's cute.

And again, I like Fenris and Anders equally.  Just think the Fenris romance plays out to a more satisfying conclusion. And by that I mean ... how to say this without spoilers ... it seems like the writers got bored with Anders and forgot he was still Hawke's lover by the third act.  Whereas with Fenris, I always feel like he and Hawke are two peas in a pod, and that he's 100% devoted to Hawke.  

It's true that Anders' tendency to be ... distracted ... from the romance has to do with who he is and what he wishes to accomplish.  However, that's not what I'm talking about.  I think it's more an "oopsie" on the writers' part as to how the tail end of the romance plays out.

Damn it, we need BB spoiler code so I can articulate this better 

[Renmiri1]

Thanemancer here. But if you didn't play ME2 you wouldn't understand, ME3 Thane is awful.

What can I say, I'm a sucker for the doomed underdog  Plus Kaidan on ME2 was.. not fun. I only liked him after playing ME1, which I did after ME2.

Modifié par Renmiri1, 19 août 2012 - 02:13 .

[CuriousArtemis]

I wouldn't know anything about ME3 Thane since he never even APPEARED in my game. Some of the pre-sets when starting ME3 without having played ME1 or 2 were just annoying, and that's one of them...

That said, it's still one of my favorite games ever ... yes ... kind of sheepishly admitting that I've come to love it even more than DA:O or DA2 *nervous glance*

But also keeping in mind that I've played DA2 well over 10 times (romancing mostly Fenris, but sometimes Anders, and currently actually have a *gasp* Isabela romance also going) and DA:O at least five times, so I think I might just be tired of them. Whereas I don't actually own ME3 so I've only had the chance to play it twice.

But then again, ME3 did make me cry, nay sob, and DA has yet to have that kind of emotional impact with me...

[Renmiri1]

Thane's character assassination - and literal assassination - on ME3 was something that soured my ME3 experience. Adding the bad endings (before EC) and the dialog wheel changes and some poor decisions on my part (I managed to make Quarians extinct ) and I just couldn't even finish the darn thing.. It turned into a chore that I hated.

Haven't been able to play ME ever since. But part of the reason is because I started playing DA and DA2 which I love with a passion  And WoW Pandaria Beta started. DA and WoW pretty much maxed out  my gaming time .

Modifié par Renmiri1, 19 août 2012 - 03:27 .

[Renmiri1]

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Modifié par Renmiri1, 19 août 2012 - 06:15 .

[NRieh]

Oh my, the least I supposed to do is to drag my ME affection to this thread. 8P
I promiss to bring more on-topic as I finish my game. Not sure about how much I got left an how much time will I have to play...

Plus Kaidan on ME2 was.. not fun. I only liked him after playing ME1, which I did after ME2.

You know, if bringing DA analogues - you could say something like "Alistair in DA2 was...not fun. But then I played DAO.". ME2 was really very painful for anyone who did not pick Liara from the very start of ME1. And for me - ME1 is still something beyond any compares. The way that game got me involved....probably it might not sound healthy, I know, but something tells me that people in this thread won't judge me.

DAO did not hit me much. I liked how it was done - perfect game mechanics and nice system, but all the characters were too..."fantasy" for me. Good (or even perfectly) written and alive within their own world - but still not much real. But as I used to be a big fan of live D&D games and loved NWN - I liked it. And I stumbled apon DA2 discount on origin. I knew most of DAO fandom hated it, so I was curious - what was it all about. I guess I could write a little essay about what I liked and disliked (being absolutely not biased and rather indifferent..first) about the game in general, but we're supposed to talk about Anders here. 8)

My first reaction on both Anders and Fenris was like "OMG!!111". As an archer rogue I wanted to have melee co-tank to assist Aveline and I also needed healer mage. And you all know that those are exactly two of them (I don't have DLCs). Their constant and dumb antagonism drove me crazy. In DAO my "dream team" was Alistair+dog(changed to Oghren in progress)+Wynne. Here I had no options, because there is no other healer mage and no other heavy melee (and at my current play there is no other melee at all - Isabella ran away). While in DAO I could pick from Sten, dog, Oghren or, probably, even Zev or make dw Leliana....Varric is impossible without his Bianca anyway.

As I mentioned, I was initially heading to rivalmance Fenris, so - I had to keep him close. And flirted just for fun with rest, having nothing special in mind. I have no idea how it happened that at some point in chapter 2 Fenris got huge + friendship instead of rival. And I could not start his "questioning beliefs". And Anders was mostly friendly, but I aslo had no Idea that teasing him may bring such an unexpected...uhm..events. I did not really expect to see him waiting for me in my mansion, you know. 8P I even wanted to reload. But then I thought that it was Hawke's destiny, and also - I knew not how long will it take me to make proper numbers for Fenris. And I don't like metagaming, to be honest, especially on first play.

What "hit" me first about Anders - cut scene after fighting that white lily necromaniac. I did not expect to see something like that. Not after how BW handled ME3 post-thessia Alenko's "dialogue". I guess that was a moment when I felt it...personal. After that I was not indifferent player-spectator any more. I can not say I fell in love or lost my head, and I would not wish to compare him with my long time (compared to DA) ME love. But that's what made him for me, I think. What made him...rather "real" and believable. His chapter 3 quests made me nervous and sad. I don't know what's on his mind - but I already do not like it. So - there were already some tears for me, no matter how BW end all of it.

And I had to leave Fenris aside. Not because of his anti-mage stuff (though, I got tired from it a little bit), but because I love Varric too much. Two archers, tank and mage healer - not a very typical setup, but Aveline tanks nice. Much better than Fenris alone. Though I somehow feel that Alistair and Oghren did tanking job better (and yes - I know how to manage tactics). In DAO I rarely got any aggro. I'd prefer to see old combat system, but that's all different topic.

ps: ah, so typical for me, was going to drop few lines and ended with a little wall of text. Sorry if I bored you. <-)

[Renmiri1]

Like you, I started on ME (ME2) and there even Liara was a ******, if you didn't get LotSB she is just snotty and angry at you and you have no idea why. "Oh you weren't here, Sheppard". "Ya I was kinda busy BEING DEAD". "Excuses, gtfo I have no time for you"... But the ME2 squaddies were fun and Thane was <3 so I tried ME1 and it was awesome : Then tried ME3 and :sick:.

I had bought DAO in a Steam promo so I decided to try. Is a great game but very Lord of the Rings to me. I still liked it so I got DA2, expecting to not like it much but decided to at least give it a try. And like you, I fell in love with the game and Anders :wub:

I play WoW, usually as tank and my BF healing me.  So I'm kinda used to think healers are sexy... Plus this healer was a Grey Warden. And like you said, you tease him and he gets sweeter and sweeter to you <3<3<3. 

You are not gonna like Act 3 as much as you liked Act 2. Act 3 is rushed and people change abruptly in it, not just Anders, everyone has "crazy" dialed to 11 on it. I got the two DLC after I finished my first playthrough and that helped a lot in making Act 3 more fun (best time to play both dLC is at start of Act 3). I am now in my 8th run through DA2 and I romanced Anders 6 times, Fenris one and Fenris / Anders in my last. Fenris is fun but not nearly as sweet as Anders 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 19 août 2012 - 12:42 .

[Amirit]

Funny, how differently people react on different games. After ... well many DAO runs I decided - enough fantasy and DA obsession. Time to see ME which I've never played. And as a good girl I started from ME1. It did not work Compare to DAO or even DA2 companion interaction is very-very limited. No party banters, not enough remarks. And gameplay... Mb shooters just not my thing, I don't know.
So, another run of DAO and ME1 is not even finished yet.

[NRieh]

I decided - enough fantasy and DA obsession. Time to see ME which I've never played. And as a good girl I started from ME1. It did not work Compare to DAO or even DA2 companion interaction is very-very limited. No party banters, not enough remarks.

Turn it vice versa - and you'll get my case. 8) After long ME obsession I decided to switch for something else (and I had no fantasy setting RPGs since may be NWN2, and did not really wanted those).

But I'd object about richer DAO interactions vs ME1. All the banters happen at elevators on Citadel (same as bridges and few trigger spots for DAO). There are also a lot of Normandy conversations, which work much same as camp talks. ME1 had no "any-time-kiss" though. But they "fixed" it in ME2 with cabin hugs, and I already mentioned that I don't really like this "feature". It seemed....well, slightly unnatural and forced. The way it was implemended - it had something from sims or tamagochi, really... Though, no interactions at all - like currently in DA2 is no good also. I'd be happy with few intractive "home" talks...I mean about ANYTHING other than quest-giving chats about magic vs templars. And autodialogue banter ( I mean with Hawke, not between party) would also do good. Not same set phrase on click. Remarks while on quests - yes they exist. But..there are not too many of them.

So, I'd say that talking about character interactions it goes something like this: ME1=DAO>=ME2>DA2>=ME3
(and by >= I mean "slightly less, but almost same" here)

[CuriousArtemis]

Renmiri1 wrote...

You are not gonna like Act 3 as much as you liked Act 2. Act 3 is rushed and people change abruptly in it, not just Anders, everyone has "crazy" dialed to 11 on it. 

That's what I was trying to point out about the Anders romance but without giving away any spoilers.  And this "change" that occurs with Anders does make sense, but things are rushed, as you say, and also the romance isn't concluded as satisfyingly at Fenris' (in my opinion ... and again, not to say I like Fenris more than Anders, not true AT ALL; just the feeling I got).  Once she finishes the game, I can explain what I mean xD

About going crazy, this fits for the two mages because they both have very passionate causes, and they do, erm, let things get a bit too much to handle (again, without spoiling...).  Isabela does okay though, I think; she never is all that crazy to begin with, unless you consider promiscuity "crazy" (I don't, but I think it's a symptom of her deep dissatisfaction with life), and even then, by the third act, she pretty much commits to Hawke.

Fenris I think actually dials the crazy DOWN; after you complete his "Alone" quest, he comes clean to Hawke about everything and they renew their devotion to each other.  It's a pretty shut and closed case of romance for those two.  They're quite happy-dandy by the time the credits roll, unlike Hawke and Anders, which seems a more desperate relationship ... particularly considering what has happened, and how they must now constantly live.... 

(Read the most awesome fanfic, by the way, of Hawke and Anders leaving Kirkwall, from Anders' point of view, and how Hawke wouldn't talk to him, but it was clear he still loved him... really touching and painful to read)

[Renmiri1]

motomotogirl wrote...

 Isabela does okay though, I think; she never is all that crazy to begin with, unless you consider promiscuity "crazy" (I don't, but I think it's a symptom of her deep dissatisfaction with life), and even then, by the third act, she pretty much commits to Hawke.

Fenris I think actually dials the crazy DOWN; after you complete his "Alone" quest, he comes clean to Hawke about everything and they renew their devotion to each other.  It's a pretty shut and closed case of romance for those two.  They're quite happy-dandy by the time the credits roll, unlike Hawke and Anders, which seems a more desperate relationship ... particularly considering what has happened, and how they must now constantly live.... 

(Read the most awesome fanfic, by the way, of Hawke and Anders leaving Kirkwall, from Anders' point of view, and how Hawke wouldn't talk to him, but it was clear he still loved him... really touching and painful to read)

Ya was gonna add Isabella is one of the few that gets more sane on act 3 

Link to the fanfiction ? I'd love to read it after I finish writing mine, I get afraid of including other people's ideas by accident if i  read it while i'm writing my own fanfic

[CuriousArtemis]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Link to the fanfiction ? I'd love to read it after I finish writing mine, I get afraid of including other people's ideas by accident if i  read it while i'm writing my own fanfic

FINALLY FOUND IT!!!! It was buried in a compilation of stories ... I've been searching for an hour. My eyes hurt 

All This Running Away

I guess I like it because she captures Anders' voice very well. Anders is a little selfish, in the sense that, when something's wrong, he always assumes it's about him. You know what I mean? Not in the usual sense of the word "selfish" because he's not; he's a healer and a revolutionary (you could call him a terrorist, but surely in his own mind he's a revolutionary). But anyway, she captures all that.

And just the horrible tension between them that you know has to exist after what happened at the Gallows.

[berelinde]

Yeah, I make it a point not to read any fics about pairings I write for unless they're AU. That, and the Hawke in my main fic is going to take the whole Chantry incident very, very hard, so I don't want to inadvertently "borrow" anything.