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[CuriousArtemis]

berelinde wrote...

Yeah, I make it a point not to read any fics about pairings I write for unless they're AU. That, and the Hawke in my main fic is going to take the whole Chantry incident very, very hard, so I don't want to inadvertently "borrow" anything.

I actually find that when I write a certain pairing enough I can't even enjoy other fics with that pairing  I start to see "my" version as canon. It's depressing.

[Renmiri1]

motomotogirl wrote...

berelinde wrote...

Yeah, I make it a point not to read any fics about pairings I write for unless they're AU. That, and the Hawke in my main fic is going to take the whole Chantry incident very, very hard, so I don't want to inadvertently "borrow" anything.

I actually find that when I write a certain pairing enough I can't even enjoy other fics with that pairing  I start to see "my" version as canon. It's depressing.

I can enjoy other authors fanfic, but I get writers block if I have to write for something I just read a fanfic about it 

[berelinde]

motomotogirl wrote...

I actually find that when I write a certain pairing enough I can't even enjoy other fics with that pairing  I start to see "my" version as canon. It's depressing.

Lots of people are like that, but I make a conscious effort to avoid it. There have been times when I have had to repeat aloud "There is no 'One True NPC.' There is no 'One True Pairing.'" You know how it goes.

It probably helps that I have written mod romances, which requires dialogue to accommodate a wide variety of personality types. That becomes more difficult if you can't imagine anyone else with *your* NPC.

That said, there are NPCs I just can't get my head around. If you ever played NWN2, I liked Bishop very much, but I couldn't invent a PC that wanted to be with him.

My fear is more that I'll accidentally commit plagiarism, forgetting where I saw something. It has happened before.

[NRieh]

Uhm. Just in case someone wonders - I just finished it. So - feel free to use spoilers.

What can I say. I expected something worse. Something very much worse. This romance was not written as "happy everafter". So - becoming a co-exile was definetely not on top of myHawke fears list.

And you know, I think I overally loved DA2 better than DAO. Some issues - yes, sure. Even some big ones - like totally screwed NPC interactions system, much casualized and less balanced combat system, lack of non-combat skills and checks(charm, intimidate, bluff) - etc..But also - great art, good characters, well done plot. Perfect idea of shared with DAO timeline (though, such a long timeline slightly spoils relations logic, I mean - people do not act like that with a long term lovers or friends...usually..more like "just met or fell in love"..and also no one aged).  

Sad they did not make just a little more with this game - than I'd probably could call it almost perfect. And i'm also sad because I know that Champion is gone into legend for me, together with Anders. I know it's a right thing, but as a player - I'd love to have some more of them. Not replay - just..well, more (ya, I know, I know - "in case of emergency - use your imagination" 8P).

As for Anders himself..he turned out to be exactly what I expected him to be. No more no less. So - good job, Mrs. Helper(it was her writing if I'm not mistaken?), autoheadcanon is a rare thing for me (after ME3 especially). But here - looks like I had no objections.

Modifié par Nrieh, 20 août 2012 - 10:58 .

[Amirit]

Congratulations! To me DA2 still looks like a well done add-on to DAO but to each his own. In times of Baldur's Gate gamers were divided for dye hard BG fans and IWD fans Not accurate comparison, but comes to mind.

It took me several runs of DA2 to stop see in Anders anything else but a smart user. In fact, I had to play DAO-Awakening to get it. Only then I was able to romance him

[NRieh]

Congratulations! To me DA2 still looks like a well done add-on to DAO

I'd love to see more of DAO "oldschool" RPG stuff in DA2, including good old skill and combat system...but we have what we have.

To me it's quite nice as stand-alone project, it has good value even if you did not import or never had DAO (unlike ME series). And, to be honest - import did not bring that much as I expected.
I think they failed Alistair(king, married with Warden), while Zev was surprisingly just next to awesome... And - killing Sten several times on assault... strange thing.

But DA2 "stand alone" thing is not bad - you don't need to replay DAO. Though, I'm thinking about another less rushed and more meaningful run now (keeping Anders, but. probably, rolling mageHawke instead of archer this time). And may be - with attempt to buy and play awakening first, and make awakening import. I've heared there were a lot of issues with proper DAO->DAA->DA2 imports - do not know was those ever fixed.

It took me several runs of DA2 to stop see in Anders anything else but a smart user.

Really? That's why I love some BW characters - they are written so that people can read them in their own way, and none of reading will go far from in-game "canon"(and pure fics and headcanons may go even further).  

I did not see him as smart user at all. Probably, because I'm too optimistic and naive. 

And few Anders metagaming questions.
On YT I found ending cut scene (I mean pre-battle talk) with a kiss. It was noted, that it was a rivalmance. I was friendlymancer and I had just a chat, which ended with "lets run away together when it ends". So - is that kiss really in game, was it a bug, or is it rivalmance-specific feature?

Another one - does playing a mage affect his romance and arc much?

Modifié par Nrieh, 21 août 2012 - 03:56 .

[berelinde]

The kiss only happens in a rivalmance ending where you side with the templars. He is kissing Hawke goodbye because he plans to kill himself, should he survive the attack. If you load a save with this ending to do DLC, Anders may be unselectable. He was when I did this ending, at any rate. If you choose the rivalmance templar-siding ending, Varric does not say "everyone... except for Anders" when he tells Cassandra that everyone eventually left Hawke, implying that Anders is dead and Cassandra knows it.

Edit: There are subtle differences if you play a mage, but they aren't earth-shattering.

Modifié par berelinde, 21 août 2012 - 03:59 .

[CuriousArtemis]

YOU FINISHED!!!! Yay! 

Nrieh wrote...

To me it's quite nice as stand-alone project, it has good value even if you did not import or never had DAO (unlike ME series). And, to be honest - import did not bring that much as I expected.

 

I played DA2 first, so I totally agree with you on that first part.  I loved it so much that I went out and bought an xbox and my own copy so I could play and play it again.  Then I bought DA:O, and I loved it, but not as much.

I have to disagree about ME though; I played ME3 twice and LOVED it, but have never played ME and ME2.

Nrieh wrote... 

I think they failed Alistair(king, married with Warden), while Zev was surprisingly just next to awesome... And - killing Sten several times on assault... strange thing. 

  

I never romanced Alistair so he seemed fine to me.  But I did romance Zevran, and in DA2, Zevran ignores the romance with the Warden and will sleep with Hawke if Hawke flirts with him, and will sleep with Isabela if she is in the party.  That broke my heart.

Nrieh wrote... 

But DA2 "stand alone" thing is not bad - you don't need to replay DAO. Though, I'm thinking about another less rushed and more meaningful run now (keeping Anders, but. probably, rolling mageHawke instead of archer this time). And may be - with attempt to buy and play awakening first, and make awakening import. I've heared there were a lot of issues with proper DAO->DAA->DA2 imports - do not know was those ever fixed. 
 

  

They pretty much weren't 

Nrieh wrote...  

I did not see him as smart user at all. Probably, because I'm too optimistic and naive.
 

 

I see Anders as a revolutionist.  Like the guys behind the Arab Spring and so on.  He's so passionate to the point that he will give his life for the cause, but is this a good thing?  Only the player can decide. 

FYI If you buy the DLCs you will get a bit more Anders x Hawke stuff. 

[Amirit]

Nrieh wrote...

I've heared there were a lot of issues with proper DAO->DAA->DA2 imports - do not know was those ever fixed.

For me import from DAO (DAA) fixed some DA2 bugs ang made gameplay smoother somehow. Guess they did fix it.

I did not see him as smart user at all. Probably, because I'm too optimistic and naive. 

 

Probably you are just more attentive and metagame less  Oh, and I was under Fenrises charm

Btw, if you do plan to play DAA, be prepared to meet a very different Anders. Not better (that is subjective) but very-very different. So much that it is difficult to believe he could evolve in DA2 character. I would never dare to write a fanfic but if I were brave - that would be the topic. Because I had to made up the whole story of that transformation to make my peace with the change.
Some people never did accept it - that is why so many topics about "give us real Anders". Another character under familiar name makes some angry.

 Another one - does playing a mage affect his romance and arc much?

As was said - just some minor dialog twitches. It's not DAO.

Modifié par Amirit, 21 août 2012 - 04:38 .

[NRieh]

Btw, if you do plan to play DAA, be prepared to meet a very different Anders.

I know that. I'm ok with that. Did not read any of plot and quests to spoil. but I have a general idea that he was still..different back then. I just wonder how did it look like. I only hope it will catch my DAO post-campaign save properly..

I have to disagree about ME though; I played ME3 twice and LOVED it, but have never played ME and ME2.

I honestly don't know how can it be. Your Shepard has no idea what Virmire was, your Shepard never had Horizon-1 - which are huge part of Kaidan or Ashley arcs. (s)he does not know what Cerberus is all about...unless you read a lot of novels and wikis and spoilers just to fill the gap. I still think that ME2 is mediocre as stand-alone project. ME3...is not that good even when you have previous games experience, but that's what saves it from being total crap - our love for old characters.

The kiss only happens in a rivalmance ending where you side with the templars. He is kissing Hawke goodbye because he plans to kill himself, should he survive the attack.

Ouch. I'd better keep kisses for headcanon part then.... I could not understand from vid that he really was going to die...and also there were few comments that mentioned some fixes in some patch.

I never romanced Alistair so he seemed fine to me. But I did romance Zevran, and in DA2, Zevran ignores the romance with the Warden and will sleep with Hawke if Hawke flirts with him, and will sleep with Isabela if she is in the party. That broke my heart.

I've heared that this is considered to be a bug, but was never fixed. They say he has some different lines for warden-alive and for warden-dead, and he was supposed to ignore flirt.

I did not see him as smart user at all. Probably, because I'm too optimistic and naive.

Probably you are just more attentive and metagame less

Well, I don't usually metagame on first run. And I tend never to metagame romances. It may sound funny, but I was awfully afraid that I pick wrong side in progress by chance, or hurt him somehow. But I admit that I had to metagame in DAO. Two words - "Landsmeet" and "Fade". ;P

And it was my lack of metagaming that was the reason for failing Fenris romance - as I said above I did not cross 50% rival, and I had no idea romance depended on that, and Anders was very..uh...friendly

But I do not regret, that must be some good Demon of Metagaming that cared about me and made it so. I doubt any other arc could suit me better, really. It was so damn fiting both myHawke and me, it all was so surprisingly fitting my headcanon drafts and bits, so I just can not see anything else as possible canon. I found all of arc very statisfying. Lack of communication - is separate problem, it's not Anders specific. It does not change things, it just leaves some more to desire.

[CuriousArtemis]

Nrieh wrote...

I honestly don't know how can it be. Your Shepard has no idea what Virmire was, your Shepard never had Horizon-1 - which are huge part of Kaidan or Ashley arcs. (s)he does not know what Cerberus is all about...unless you read a lot of novels and wikis and spoilers just to fill the gap. I still think that ME2 is mediocre as stand-alone project. ME3...is not that good even when you have previous games experience, but that's what saves it from being total crap - our love for old characters. 

Nope, never read any spoilers or back history of anything  No lie, I seriously bawled at the ending.  Then replayed it a second time and bawled all over again (although the EC put a smile on my face through all the tears).  But different people have their own different life experiences which make them more receptive to a game than others, plus it's impossible for me to see the game as you do (as someone who has played the prequels) and it's impossible for you to see it as I have (as someone who hasn't).

I will say that because I didn't know who they were, some of the characters left little-to-no impression on me. Garrus, for instance, was very uninteresting to me.  But he is so popular that I know his character must be excellent in the previous two games, and that the player is supposed to rely on that to pick up on "inside jokes" involving him.  Tali is another one who left no impression on me.  But yet new characters like Steve and James, oh god, I loved them!  And some older characters, like Liara and Kaiden (my LI) were equally awesome.

So it's good you don't have that occurring with DA because characters are always new, and so the game takes time to introduce you to them properly.  Nevertheless, people still want their cameos ... it would be awesome to see Anders again in DA3 for instance!  I want to know how he's getting on, and if I import a game where my Hawke romanced him, I want to hear how they're doing <3

As for Awakening, yeah, Anders is very different, quite unlikeable for me, but for others he is very loveable.  I think I can easily comprehend the merge in terms of "How does a warm-hearted healer become a terrorist willing to kill others for His Cause" by understanding that Justice is responsible for most of that.  But other aspects of his character, such as how he is a philanderer and a jokester, don't really translate to DA2.  

Sigh.  Anders in DA2 is just so much more ... mature.  He's swoon-worthy 

[Dwarva]

I had a VERY detailed and vivid Anders dream last night. We were being chased by Templars but they were weird sort of ghost things. Almost like Dementors? Anyway we were holding each others hands because they could only get him if he let go - at one point he was snatched away from me and I woke up shouting 'Anders!!' with my hand grasped around my pillow. My boyfriend put it down to the copious amounts of head cold medicine I'm taking...

[CuriousArtemis]

Staarbux wrote...

I had a VERY detailed and vivid Anders dream last night. We were being chased by Templars but they were weird sort of ghost things. Almost like Dementors? Anyway we were holding each others hands because they could only get him if he let go - at one point he was snatched away from me and I woke up shouting 'Anders!!' with my hand grasped around my pillow. My boyfriend put it down to the copious amounts of head cold medicine I'm taking...

LOL That's awesome.  I wonder how we'd react if our significant others woke up shouting another man's (or woman's) name... 

And OMG You let the Dementors get Anders D:

[Dwarva]

motomotogirl wrote...

Staarbux wrote...

I had a VERY detailed and vivid Anders dream last night. We were being chased by Templars but they were weird sort of ghost things. Almost like Dementors? Anyway we were holding each others hands because they could only get him if he let go - at one point he was snatched away from me and I woke up shouting 'Anders!!' with my hand grasped around my pillow. My boyfriend put it down to the copious amounts of head cold medicine I'm taking...

LOL That's awesome.  I wonder how we'd react if our significant others woke up shouting another man's (or woman's) name... 

And OMG You let the Dementors get Anders D:

OMG I knooooooooooow. I felt guilty ALL morning.

And the timing is quite funny actually. He knows all about Fenris and Anders (yes...thats totally normal) but I told him about Alistair last night because I've just finished a new DAO playthrough. We were discussing talking in our sleep (BF does it a LOT) and he said 'so if you murmer about Alistair in your sleep I should be aware it's fictional Alistair and not your BFF who's also called Alistair?'

Yeah I'm glad we cleared that up or it could have been extremely awkward...

[berelinde]

Out of curiosity, why would you post a Fenris fic here? He has his own thread.

[Amirit]

Nrieh wrote...
 It may sound funny, but I was awfully afraid that I pick wrong side in progress by chance, or hurt him somehow. But I admit that I had to metagame in DAO. Two words - "Landsmeet" and "Fade". ;P 
 

Fenris does that to people who romance him - at least for the first time everyone is walking around him on eggshells. I learned to appretiate Anders now but Fenris is still the first love. And you just have to try that arc once - it is satisfying and adds a lot of fun in DLCs when he is jelous  

Btw, freindship/rivalry has nothing to do with the romance progression, only with the "color" of relationship.

 "Landsmeet" and "Fade" - oh, yes, even if I were not a spoiler maniac these two are just too .... everything. Would not risk it.

berelinde  right now Fenris thread is more like Alistair thread So it's fair. At least that fanfic has a lot of Anders too.

Modifié par Amirit, 21 août 2012 - 09:19 .

[LolaLei]

berelinde wrote...

Out of curiosity, why would you post a Fenris fic here? He has his own thread.

I've read it. Anders plays an equal part in the fic.

[Shades_Of_Pale]

Avejajed wrote...

Well whatever, I just wanted to share what I'd written with people who might appreciate it. I wont do THAT again.

I read it, Anders is very...involved. I'm sure many people will appreciate it.

Modifié par Shades_Of_Pale, 21 août 2012 - 09:46 .

[berelinde]

Sheesh, sorry. Honestly, I got as far as the first two paragraphs and saw the word "Fenris" approximately 15 times and figured that somebody was trolling the thread again. It happens with enough frequency to merit the question.

[cowoline]

Avejajed wrote...

berelinde wrote...

Sheesh, sorry. Honestly, I got as far as the first two paragraphs and saw the word "Fenris" approximately 15 times and figured that somebody was trolling the thread again. It happens with enough frequency to merit the question.

I would think by now most people would have figured out I'm no troll.

Easy fellows.... I don't think Berelinde was trying to provoke you or was offended, simply curious. I'm sure no one is accusing you of trolling. Don't go all templar vs mage on us:P

And here is some anders love. lilithblack.deviantart.com/gallery/37375862#/d564ucs
How do I post pictures in here btw? Always get a lot of text instead of the actual picture.

Modifié par cowoline, 22 août 2012 - 07:34 .

[berelinde]

cowoline wrote...

And here is some anders love. lilithblack.deviantart.com/gallery/37375862#/d564ucs
How do I post pictures in here btw? Always get a lot of text instead of the actual picture.

It would really help if they had an image button on the post toolbar, wouldn't it?

To post an image, you would type [#img]http://url_for_the_image.extension[#/img], but without the #s. The image:


Aw, how sweet!