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[Enkidu]

Ehm... Hi, everyone! Long-time lurker here. So long-time, in fact, that I probably should already be promoted to stalker.
My grand entrance would benefit from me immediately weighing in on the current topic of romance referencing dialogue and no such discussion is truly complete without Varric's input.

Anders: You're giving me that look again. What are you writing this time?
Varric: So, you and Hawke... I need some details. Did you go down on one knee? Did he/she jump you? Did you swear eternal vows of love, or is this just a physical thing?
Anders: I don't see how that's any of your business.
Varric: Fine, but if you don't tell me, I'm just going to have to make it up.

Threats of friendfiction are the best threats.

Edit: Oh, shoot, top! This is grander than I planned. Well, since it's so, I think a topical picture would be a most welcome sight.

By the ever lovely aimo.

Modifié par MrFlipFlops, 07 septembre 2012 - 06:14 .

[berelinde]

Nrieh wrote...
Also this time Fenris' line about "What has magic touched that it did not spoil" suddenly had some extra meaning to me.

I play mages almost exclusively, so that line always makes me laugh. He just blurts it out and the camera goes to Hawke, who stands there with one eyebrow raised as if to say, "You have *got* to be kidding me." 

[berelinde]

MrFlipFlops wrote...

Threats of friendfiction are the best threats.

Hmmmm. You may be onto something!

As long as there has been an Anders thread, we have been delighted and apalled by his OTT romance lines. Do you think Anders just said something like "It was romantic" and Varric took it from there? Though in all honesty, Varric was probably witness  to a lot of the early romance stuff ("I would drown us in blood," etc.), so it wouldn't be too much of a leap.

[Enkidu]

*tiredly shakes hobble-stick after googling what "OTT" means*
Honestly, I think it can go either way. I doubt that Anders would say anything more to Varric after that particular exchange, since he isn't all that chatty in Act 3. But I am certain Varric was witness to many a-charming, drowning in blood romantic moment between Hawke and Anders long before that. As for him willingly sharing any details with the dwarf... That's the "go either way" part. He certainly trusts Varric and generally isn't a shy boy ("And then it would be all about the best way to show my gratitude" anyone?), but what with his unstable demeanor throughout parts of the game, he may not have felt up to it. Not that it would stop Varric.

[berelinde]

I'm finally at the point in my game where I can take romanced Anders and Hawke through Legacy. I'm really looking forward to it. I'll be saving MotA for Act3, though, just because it will be good to get moody!Anders out of his rut for a while.

Not having internet at home does have its advantages. Since I write into Google Docs and it isn't available offline (and I'm going through a creative dry spell anyway), I'm finally catching up with the actual playing.

[Enkidu]

Oh, you torture me so. I really want to play through both Legacy and MotA, but I fear that time constraints due to summer ending and me returning to my writing after a break will slow the process immensely. But I am in the middle of writing a story about my Anders romacing Hawke, so I will probably boot the game up at some point for research, but it will take a while to get to the second and third Acts. Man, witty Hawke in MotA with a romanced Anders is just delightful.

Speaking of which! This has probably been brought up before, but I can't recall it. Feel free to ignore the following inanity if it is such. What kind of romance do you prefer to set up with Anders? Friend/rival? What kind of Hawke? Not only diplo/snarky/aggro, but what views do they have on the mage conundrum and other things if you feel like sharing.

[berelinde]

The friendship romance is really the only one I do. With most of the characters, the rivalry relationship dynamic is about trying to make them see things from a different point of view, but with Anders, the rivalry relationship really just breaks him further. He cannot change the past. No matter how worthless Hawke makes him feel, he cannot undo the merger with Justice. All that happens is that he become less and less stable until the kindest thing Hawke can do for him is kill him. That isn't a situation I enjoy. Besides, most of my Hawkes, especially Iain, my favorite, share his goals and understand why he did what he did. Iain is a mostly-diplo Hawke who doesn't like the spotlight. He is decisive when he has to be and has even been known to tell jokes around intimate friends, but he is a reluctant hero who takes a stand only because no one else can. He is a devout Andrastian, but he does not believe that the isolation and segregation of mages does anybody any good. He (perhaps mistakenly) believes that most mages are like him, wanting nothing more than a normal life in quiet obscurity. To this end, he helps mages escape from the Circle when he can, but he is not disrespectful toward templars or chantry folk. By Act 3, however, he can no longer pretend that the Chantry is serving anyone's best interests. He thinks that the only people who have a right to decide what to do with the mages are the mages themselves. I'd like to say that his faith in Andraste remains unshaken, but I'm not sure I can. He may believe in the historical woman, but he has come to abhor what has been done in her name.

[Enkidu]

I completely agree with you on the subject of Anders’ rivalmance. It’s just cruel at times, with others being mostly about regret and culminating in Hawke killing him to end all this misery. Or just straight up driving him to suicide in the Templar ending. Not my cup of tea that.
To answer my own question, as I love to do, I only have one character per romance (no time to write more different characters for one game) and he’s a friendmacing witty mage. To elaborate, Kromis was actually written as part of my experiment to make a dichotomy of characters – tied at the back, facing different ways, so speak. He’s the other half of the Fenrismancing warrior Cas, who is not relevant to the discussion. While he shoots his mouth off at inappropriate times, he actually puts a lot of thought into his actions and words and the glibness is just a way to release all this repressed energy. Kromis admires Anders for his passion and idealism, since he, while, too, and idealist also has a very practical side that negates it and puts the fires out, so to speak. He’s also one of only two DA PCs (Origins included) of mine to lack any sort of religion. He’s very curious about the world and everything in it. A very empathetic people person, who, while aware of all the major existing doctrines, isn’t fully convinced by any, preferring to continue looking at the big picture, seeking the truth. Therefore his stance on mages almost rivals Anders’ in fanaticism and emphasis on freedom (although his views on justice are completely different), Kromis is simply much better at controlling himself when it comes to such serious topics, hence no actual templar-hate from him. He’s a realist, but not a cynic, seeking to find the light in any darkness, though it isn't easy sometimes. Helps that he is remarkably strong and a liar who lies to himself more often than to others.

Now that we mention religion and the Chantry... I could never pin down Anders’ stance on it all. He seems to believe in Andraste and the Maker all right, but is very dismissive of Sebastian, stating that the Maker left and doesn’t care for his creations any longer, going so far as to say that He will never return. Is it just because the search for the Maker’s return is a very Chantry thing, therefore earning no points with Anders or does he simply believe that an all-powerful being that created all things really does exist, but is no longer and never will be around? Does he ever voice an opinion on any of the other religions in Thedas (Old Gods, Creators)?

Modifié par MrFlipFlops, 07 septembre 2012 - 10:23 .

[Renmiri1]

I get the impression Anders does not believe that much on the Maker and Andraste or at least doesn't believe what the Chantry says about them. With my friendly non-religious Hawke he never talks about religion

My Hawke is a Warrior gal who has been "one of the boys" for most of her life, having had to be the strong one since she is the eldest child. She is snarky and not very worried about politics. All she wants is to protect her family and friends, while making them stop being so darn gloomy! Her snark hides a deeply cynical view that doesn't believe in anything or anyone but her family.

Anders makes her reflect on a lot of issues she just zoned out of before. He heals her cynicism, born on battlefields seeing King Caillan left to die and other horrors. She loves his passion. Seeing him rant about mages makes her all tingly. She wishes she could believe in something as deeply and purely as he does. And eventually she starts believing as well.

Hawke sees Anders dedication to mages and the weak and poor and sees him as a kindred soul, protecting his "family" which consists of all mages in Thedas. Like her, he uses humor as a shield, and she sees right through it. My Hawke thinks Anders is very fragile sometimes, because of the Justice merger and she wants to be there for him, to let him borrow her strength. She will never be able to kill him but she will beat him up for what he did at the Chantry. And for not trusting her. She runs away with him and will help the mages, believing on the fight, because Anders made her believe in something again.

[CuriousArtemis]

I can't rival any of the characters except Merrill and Aveline. I rivaled Aveline so I could see her punch Hawke in the face xD And I've yet to romance Merrill, so it doesn't seem so mean.

With the other three, it just seems mean to me. Rivalmances are mean D:

Can you tell my Hawke's are romantics xD

[Renmiri1]

motomotogirl wrote...

I can't rival any of the characters except Merrill and Aveline. I rivaled Aveline so I could see her punch Hawke in the face xD And I've yet to romance Merrill, so it doesn't seem so mean.

With the other three, it just seems mean to me. Rivalmances are mean D:

Can you tell my Hawke's are romantics xD

Same here.. even rivalmancing Merril feels cruel.  I try but pretty soon I find myself picking the nice options. 

New chapter on my fanfic. (Chapter 4 - Isabela). 
http://www.fanfictio...er-Taunt-a-Mage

If you read it please let me know if it feels too rushed. It was twice the size and I cut out a lot. 

[NRieh]

I still haven't recorded Aveline's reference to "He is all but cursed, how do you live with that fear"

I can't recall exact phrasing, but I was talking about her "long road" quest, on my first play I apparantely did it before locking on Anders. But this time when she talks about how to start it with Donnik, and how people do it, she asks how did it happen for Anders+Hawke, and Hawke answers that their case is not probably the best example of "typical" relations.

ps: I'll answer about my romance preferences later. I think I got fever and probably caught flu. It's hard to gather thoughts even in native language. I need a healer, damn.

[Enkidu]

Really? I always do that
quest after locking in (milking those pesky references!) and the only thing I
get from Aveline is  the "all but cursed" line, which she says
if you act surprised that she can't approach Donnic even though she managed to
bag and marry a guy before. After that she'll bring up the subject of fear and
pose the quoted question to Hawke.

ps: I'll answer about my romance preferences
later. I think I got fever and probably caught flu. It's hard to gather
thoughts even in native language. I need a healer, damn.

Aw, that really sucks. I hope you get better real
soon! Will be sending you imaginary cups of hot tea with lemon and honey
through the internet.

Modifié par MrFlipFlops, 09 septembre 2012 - 10:13 .

[NRieh]

Really? I always do that
quest after locking in (milking those pesky references!) and the only thing I
get from Aveline is the "all but cursed" line, which she says
if you act surprised that she can't approach Donnic even though she managed to
bag and marry a guy before.

I wish I used fraps or probably I'll try to find proper load. There are possible rare mind glitches, where my headcanon messes with real gameplay content, I know few cases. But I don't think that was one of those. I noticed the difference between romance and non-romance version of dialogue and listened carefully. It was either end of first part in barracs(gift+patrol list) or second one - after Hangman. There was nothing about "being cursed". I picked mostly diplomatic answers. And it was Anders who says "It can not be a total mystery - you were married once", by the way. There goes some blah-blah that people just go out together and have it started, and she asks whether it happened like that for Hawke and Anders. Hawke thinks hard for a moment and confesses that they are probably not best example. Anders has nothing to add.

Probably, it has something to do with diplomatic-witty type of lines? Also - is Aveline friend, rival or neutral? On current pt I took her out much less than first time, so I think she's neutral or partly friend (but not maxed). Another possible difference - game version 1.4. And both times I played FemHawke rogue (don't know can that change anything at all).

[ladyofpayne]

Cosplay

[Renmiri1]

** drools **
Here's a good one too

Modifié par Renmiri1, 10 septembre 2012 - 06:08 .

[berelinde]

Ah, the Anders thread. Always good for NSFW pics.(sigh)

You would think I'd learn. I do appreciate the pics. It's just, you know, work stuff.

[NRieh]

Well, I just beat Legacy...Strange thing, imo. While I totally loved Father plot line, I can't make up my mind about how much I liked Anders' arc. The idea was good, and most of writing is good. But...uhm.. is it just me or someone else here thought that "Thank you, love" was kinda...not enough, considering what just happened?..

Also... main arc. I did not expect it to be such awfully marysueish...I mean...It was REALY Big Bad Old Evil. And I'm just an archer rogue. Who (of a sudden) can practice blood magic...with a BOW....And no one really seemed to care much. Including Anders. It's like " Oh, you wanna use this strange Big Bow to make some blood magic and unleash Old Evil? Fine, honey, call me if you need any assistance and tell me when you're done. I'll be right here, with my friend Justice".

If not for Very Big Very Bad Evil part - I think I enjoyed it. MotA's going to be next, but I'll keep it for chapter 3, I think. Now I'm almost done with 2nd.

[berelinde]

Now, I loved Anders's arc in Legacy because it shows how his unique status affects and is affected by the taint in his blood. I didn't mind the "Thank you, love" because what else was he supposed to say? Considering its scope as DLC, it doesn't really take friendship or rivalry into account. On the rivalry path, Anders loses control to Justice all the time, so one more instance of it is not likely to surprise him. On the friendship path, Anders does *not* lose control to Justice as often, so yes, it would upset him more, but if Hawke has been supportive of him up to this point, he probably figures that Hawke understands.

How you feel about MotA depends largely on how you feel about Tallis. She permeates the DLC like bad gas. If you find her amusing or think she's sexy, you'll probably love the DLC. If she annoys you, it will be harder to stick with it until you can boot her from the party. Important fact: The best banter between Anders and Hawke only occurs *if* Hawke leaves Tallis in the Retreat. If you opt for the "join Tallis* fork, you will not get any Anders/Hawke banter, only more Tallis-centric banter. The first time I played through MotA, I chose the "join Tallis" option and hated the DLC from beginning to end. The second time I played (just last night, as a matter of fact), I decided to leave her, and found that her absence from the party was like a breath of fresh air. Suddenly, the banter was funny again. Combat was actually easier, too. I don't know why that should be, considering that we were playing with 3 instead of 4, but it was. Maybe because I'm used to the team and their abilities and was relieved not to have to micromanage Tallis to keep her alive.

[Amirit]

My favorite line there is this one:

Anders: I've tried to forget about this side of myself. Justice is... so strong. Sometimes the Wardens seem insignificant. But seeing that poor bastard brings it all back. The Darkspawn taint. The call of the archdemon. It's inside me, as much a part of me as Justice.

Hawke: Maybe there's a cure.

Anders: You should find someone else, love. You don't want all the ugliness I'm going to bring into your life.

Hawke: Nobody's perfect.

Varric: I gotta hand it to you, Blondie, you make that work every time.

Tell me he really does not know what he is doing 

Modifié par Amirit, 12 septembre 2012 - 04:55 .

[NRieh]

Considering its scope as DLC, it doesn't really take friendship or rivalry into account.

I did not think about it, I mean - that they had to build as universal and neutral as possible, so that it could be played at any point, regardless romance and relations type. So, I guess, we should be grateful for DLC recognizing romance at all. Especially considering that even writer's pet Liara had few problems with proper romance recognition during and after LotSB 8P. And all Anders banter was good, and most of it was romance-sensitive.

It was strange that they put most of banter in the beginning, either it's a bug or design - but in first location they seemed to talk much more often than in prison and tower itself. And comparing to regular Kirkwall walks - it was a banter shower.

ps: I Can't make myself to do "Fool's gold" after Legacy.... 8P I found out that missed it, and now...What heartless bastard will I be if I drag Anders to deep roads again after what we've been through?!

[NRieh]

Hawke: Nobody's perfect.

That looks like "witty" answer. I don't remember it. I don't know how I did it, but this time I keep polite personality ( was witty most of the time during first pt). Though both times I used all sorts of answers, angry including..

I remember that she said something like "I'll take it under advisement". And I had no Varric most of Legacy - I used an opportunity to take Bethany out. Rather lacklustre banters, unfrtunately. But she did some good with Malcolm's quest. Probably should've kept my authorised biographer.

[smallwhippet]

I'm also just finishing Legacy again: love it! Infinitely prefer it to MotA. Taking Anders is essential: it gives the very best dialogues, even if he's only a friend, and it makes the story so much more compelling. @berelinde thanks for the tip about ditching Tallis - I'll try that next time!

[Amirit]

Varric is always with me - he is too good to be left out. Anders IS essential for Deep Roads in general, and the last spot in my case usually Fenris. No matter how I intend to play I end up in this company. Oh, and with witty Hawke

But the banter I mentioned just underlines Anderses style He can't help it, it's in his nature. As it was in said in DAA - "I do not know, Anders, how do you inspire such a loyalty"

[Renmiri1]

Nrieh wrote...

Hawke: Nobody's perfect.

That looks like "witty" answer. I don't remember it. I don't know how I did it, but this time I keep polite personality ( was witty most of the time during first pt). Though both times I used all sorts of answers, angry including..

I remember that she said something like "I'll take it under advisement". And I had no Varric most of Legacy - I used an opportunity to take Bethany out. Rather lacklustre banters, unfrtunately. But she did some good with Malcolm's quest. Probably should've kept my authorised biographer.

yup, my favorite answer is "rude" Hawke

Anders (paraphrasing) : "leave me, I'm cursed" 


Diplomatic Hawke: "I'll take it under advisement"

Sarcastic Hawke:  "Nobody's perfect"

Rude Hawke: "Not a chance!" 


I should try MotA leaving Tallis alone. Banter was fun even taking Tallis but you are right, she tends to dominate all dialog

Modifié par Renmiri1, 12 septembre 2012 - 09:04 .