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[Cantina]

hobbit_of_the_shire wrote...

Avorous wrote...

So, I'm a long time lurker of this thread and sometimes I can't help but comment in places. What I found was the easiest way to get his Rivalry points maxxed out was to not flirt with him at all until Act 2, and to choose mostly agressive and Anti-Mage dialogue options until his Rivalry points were maxed out. There were still moments were my Mage Hawke agreed with him, but most of that stuff didn't happen until after his Rivalry points were maxed out. As far as I know, there isn't a way to get a rivalmance if you've already maxed out the Friend points. If you give mages to the Circle or if you keep agreeing with Fenris or the Templars while he's in the party, I ended up maxing out his Rivalry right before the Deep Roads Expedition. 

I found that the Dragon Age Wiki helped me out a bunch when I decided to do a rivalmance. Hope this helps! ^^

Thanks for the advice.  I'll see what I can do to get agression.   I don't think I can get too rival-ly as I'm playing a warrior who supports Bethany.  The final aggression will happen at the end (if I have the heart to do it).  I am a sucker for being good.... each time I try to play a bad character, she/he just gets all goody-goody.  After I finish this playthrough, I am going to do a pro-templar runthrough.  I imagine that will NOT go very well.   I wanted to try the rivalmance because it seems one gets better interaction with Anders.  I'm finding this playthrough still rather bland (don't throw the tomatoes at me yet!!) and without the preconceived image that I have in my head of Anders, how he plays out is rather terse and whiny.  Not that he talks much to Hawke anyway, but his party banter is kinda depressing.  Anyway, romance initiated, time to try for a heartbreak!

Got more balls then I do, LOL!


My Templar achievments are still not claimed on my Xbox 360 and they shall stay that way. I just cannot even bring myself to side with the Templars, much less rival Anders.

[Nilfalasiel]

Cantina wrote...

My Templar achievments are still not claimed on my Xbox 360 and they shall stay that way. I just cannot even bring myself to side with the Templars, much less rival Anders.

My completionism got the better of me, but only just. I did switch over to Casual to make the playthrough go faster though. It's one of the worst of my gaming experiences, and I would never do it again. And it's not just because you have to be an ass to Anders: Hawke can push it so far as killing Bethany him/herself at the end. I didn't, but I found the fact that the possibility was there downright chilling. I don't even like Beth much, but still...killing your own sister?

Also, "the" execution scene was just so painfully protracted...Left me stunned for a couple of moments.

To compensate for it, my next playthrough will be a super-lovey Mage Hawke just for Anders. And Aidan Hawke shall forever be known as a pariah among my BioWare characters.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 05 octobre 2012 - 12:00 .

[Cantina]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Cantina wrote...

My Templar achievments are still not claimed on my Xbox 360 and they shall stay that way. I just cannot even bring myself to side with the Templars, much less rival Anders.

My completionism got the better of me, but only just. I did switch over to Casual to make the playthrough go faster though. It's one of the worst of my gaming experiences, and I would never do it again. And it's not just because you have to be an ass to Anders: Hawke can push it so far as killing Bethany him/herself at the end. I didn't, but I found the fact that the possibility was there downright chilling. I don't even like Beth much, but still...killing your own sister?

Also, "the" execution scene was just so painfully protracted...Left me stunned for a couple of moments.

To compensate for it, my next playthrough will be a super-lovey Mage Hawke just for Anders. And Aidan Hawke shall forever be known as a pariah among my BioWare characters.

Funny how there were more choices with your sibilings then there was within the game as whole.

I do not care for Bethany or Carver both of them annoyed the hell out of me. But despite not liking Carver, I cannot bring myself to let him die in the Deep Roads.

[Nilfalasiel]

Cantina wrote...

Funny how there were more choices with your sibilings then there was within the game as whole.

I do not care for Bethany or Carver both of them annoyed the hell out of me. But despite not liking Carver, I cannot bring myself to let him die in the Deep Roads.

Heh, indeed. Although "worrying" might be a better term...

I started out ready to dislike Carver, but he actually blindsided me. For some reason, his typical bratty little brother spiel was like a breath of fresh air (almost typoed "french air") compared to Beth's listlessness. Besides, I really like how he turns out as a Warden. Badass little bro!

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 05 octobre 2012 - 12:11 .

[Cantina]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Cantina wrote...

Funny how there were more choices with your sibilings then there was within the game as whole.

I do not care for Bethany or Carver both of them annoyed the hell out of me. But despite not liking Carver, I cannot bring myself to let him die in the Deep Roads.

Heh, indeed. Although "worrying" might be a better term...

I started out ready to dislike Carver, but he actually blindsided me. For some reason, his typical bratty little brother spiel was like a breath of fresh air (almost typoed "french air") compared to Beth's listlessness. Besides, I really like how he turns out as a Warden. Badass little bro!

True to that. First time I played through and he showed up and said....


"I won't stand around and do nothing while you start a war"


I was like "Oh hell yeah!"

[berelinde]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Cantina wrote...

Funny how there were more choices with your sibilings then there was within the game as whole.

I do not care for Bethany or Carver both of them annoyed the hell out of me. But despite not liking Carver, I cannot bring myself to let him die in the Deep Roads.

Heh, indeed. Although "worrying" might be a better term...

I started out ready to dislike Carver, but he actually blindsided me. For some reason, his typical bratty little brother spiel was like a breath of fresh air (almost typoed "french air") compared to Beth's listlessness. Besides, I really like how he turns out as a Warden. Badass little bro!

I started out being ambivalent about Carver, but I wound up loving him to itty-bitty grumpy pieces. He's sullen. He's resentful. He's also incredibly loyal when it matters. The sibling rivalry came through loud and clear, but at the end of the day, he was family. Had they included a "(Hug Carver)" option, I would have spammed the heck out of it. And taken the rivalry points that went with it.

David Gaider promised that we'll be able to kiss (and maybe hug) our LIs anywhere next game. It's a shame we never got a chance to hug Anders at will, but I'm looking forward to it in DA3.

[Gyrefalcon]

I have a friend who is blonde and she is one whose hair is going darker over time. So Anders probably had light blonde or platinum blonde hair as a child, and has developed a darker shading as he got older, but if he is outside a lot it bleaches. Then while he is in Darktown, he is dealing with high iron content in the water and getting a strawberry blonde cast. There. I have solved it. Color according to age, location, and season! ^-^

[Avorous]

 My rivalmance with Anders was my first and canon runthrough. It's also the same one where I sided with the Templars. And the same one where Anders ended up dead by the end of the game.  >.> I know I'm a horrible person

I kind of roleplay that my Mage Hawke though is more Pro-Circle/Pro-Templars while being pretty strongly Anti-Chantry. If that makes any sense at all

Plus she's pretty distrustful towards anyone who's previously used/is using Blood Magic. Like that one woman from the Blooming Rose she sent off to the Templars fairly quickly, same with Grace and her lot. That right there earned me a ton of rivalry points yay. One particular line from Hawke in the Rivalmance, I think anyways, I'm not sure if it shows up in the Friendmance or not, pretty much hit the nail on the head towards her beliefs by the beginning of Act 3 (since I roleplay her slow but sure development from not listening to Anders, to listening to Anders.) 

"It's not your beliefs I disagree with, it's your methods." <--The reaction that Anders had towards that particular line from my Hawke was just fantastic (to me anyway), since until this point my Hawke has pretty much just scoffed at his manifestos and argued with him on every little point that he tries to make to get through to her, whether it be a good point or a bad point. It's a reaction that is in every form just shock, he says something about it (I can't remember the exact line, something about being glad or happy that she's at least kind of listening to him) but it seems (to me, but it's possible that I'm just reading the reaction wrong, I do that sometimes) that he's pretty surprised that a Rival!Hawke has been at least midly paying attention to what he's been trying to tell her. 

And since I"ve posted twice in one day, and with an alarming amount of words involved, I shall attempt to get involved in the conversation that was actually going on before I decided to post this immense amount of words... 

CARVER! I loved him to bits in the game. He's one of the reasons I have a hard time playing as anything other than a mage. 

[Gyrefalcon]

Avorous wrote...

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I kind of roleplay that my Mage Hawke though is more Pro-Circle/Pro-Templars while being pretty strongly Anti-Chantry. I[s]f that makes any sense at all

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"It's not your beliefs I disagree with, it's your methods." <--The reaction that Anders had towards that particular line from my Hawke was just fantastic (to me anyway), since until this point my Hawke has pretty much just scoffed at his manifestos and argued with him on every little point that he tries to make to get through to her, whether it be a good point or a bad point. It's a reaction that is in every form just shock, he says something about it (I can't remember the exact line, something about being glad or happy that she's at least kind of listening to him) but it seems (to me, but it's possible that I'm just reading the reaction wrong, I do that sometimes) that he's pretty surprised that a Rival!Hawke has been at least midly paying attention to what he's been trying to tell her. 

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CARVER! I loved him to bits in the game. He's one of the reasons I have a hard time playing as anything other than a mage. 

1)  No, your reasoning is sound.  I think it might be in the DA Asunder book that they really show how mages need someone to keep an eye on them.  The true templar role is a hard one.  But that does not mean that they should be treated as sub-human.  Not having them rule does not mean they could never be traveling healers with a pair of templars at their back to clear out marauding darkspawn from distant villages and help the populace.  Nor does it mean they should not be allowed to fall in love, or wed, or get to feel the rain on their face, or have a snowball fight.  The chantry line has been carried to the negative extreme in DA2. 

Spoiler Alert!!

And in Asunder, we see the Chantry templars split from the Seekers.  However, truth be told, it looks like the Chantry will be the more merciful side. 

End Spoiler...

2)  I think you have a point.  Anders has had a hard time getting any support.  He is often surprised and grateful for any that he receives.  (At least until act III:  the train to crazy town.)

3)  Really?  Carver mostly annoyed me.  But I loved the section where you can tell him about his being named for a templar.  He is surprised, and actually warm for a change.  I suppose it is the satisfaction of having the sibling's opinion turn around that really draws you.  I have to admit, winning Carver over takes more effort and might actually create more satisfaction for the achievement than the love interests.  Hmm.

General:  If you have Bethany along for Legacy along with Anders, you can get an amusing line where she tells him off and says, basically, "if you are waiting for me to tell you how much I hate the Circle and want to leave, it isn't going to happen.  I know it is hard for you to believe that you can be a mage in a Circle and happy, but I am."  Now, we learned from the run-away "blood mage wanna-be" in the Hanged Man bar that the mages don't even get to cook their own meals.  And others said they were usually confined to their cells (rooms).  Now, maybe Bethany escaped some of the darker depredations because she was sister to the Champion, but I have to wonder if Bethany is actually a book worm that dreamed of having servants take care of everything?  XD  Seems that life on the road and as a refugee was not her dream after all!  Heh.

Modifié par Gyrefalcon, 05 octobre 2012 - 04:48 .

[Avorous]

Gyrefalcon wrote...

Avorous wrote...

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1)  No, your reasoning is sound.  I think it might be in the DA Asunder book that they really show how mages need someone to keep an eye on them.  The true templar role is a hard one.  But that does not mean that they should be treated as sub-human.  Not having them rule does not mean they could never be traveling healers with a pair of templars at their back to clear out marauding darkspawn from distant villages and help the populace.  Nor does it mean they should not be allowed to fall in love, or wed, or get to feel the rain on their face, or have a snowball fight.  The chantry line has been carried to the negative extreme in DA2. 

Spoiler Alert!!

And in Asunder, we see the Chantry templars split from the Seekers.  However, truth be told, it looks like the Chantry will be the more merciful side. 

End Spoiler...

2)  I think you have a point.  Anders has had a hard time getting any support.  He is often surprised and grateful for any that he receives.  (At least until act III:  the train to crazy town.)

3)  Really?  Carver mostly annoyed me.  But I loved the section where you can tell him about his being named for a templar.  He is surprised, and actually warm for a change.  I suppose it is the satisfaction of having the sibling's opinion turn around that really draws you.  I have to admit, winning Carver over takes more effort and might actually create more satisfaction for the achievement than the love interests.  Hmm.

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1. Indeed indeed. It seems to me that if you can find Templars who arn't constantly 'omfg CHANTRY' then it's a step in the right direction. Basically the entire Circle of Magi and the Templar Order just need a great big overhaul. Not so much abolish directly, but just...changed. Hopefully for the better. In not so many words, I'm agreeing with you. ^^ Though I'm not too sure regarding the Chantry at the end of Asunder, but it's been a while since I've read it and should probably go back and read it again to refresh my memory on the little details. 

2. Yup. I think he's surprised regardless of whether you're in a friendship or a rivalry with him if you support him even a little bit, but especially with a rivalry where you've pretty much just turned up a nose at what he's been saying. 

3. I'd have agreed with you when I first started the game, but after going through an entire playthrough and working my bum off trying to get to a friendship point with him (which was successful thank the Maker) it's well well worth it. He's still Carver, but he's just so much more mature and warm and friendly. Especially if he ends up a Warden.

[hobbit of the shire]

I couldn't stand Carver. I rivalled him the whole time, didn't take him into the Deep Roads and felt totally betrayed when he became a Templar. Bethany isn't a strong character, but that probably makes me want to protect her more (save her from the Circle/Templars), being big sis and all.

Not sure if I ever saw the "It's not your beliefs I disagree with, it's your methods." line, but I would have loved to say that to Anders. I think the dialogue wheel is making lots of decisions unclear or too straightforward. Need more choice! In principle, I want to agree with him. But when he goes all manifesto and terrorist-y, I draw the line. I hope I get to do that in the rest of this playthrough, rather than "I hate you, you are evil, mages are evil, now you die."

There are a few good apples in the Templar ranks, but imho, their whole raison d'être is flawed. So no matter what Anders or Merrill does, I can't side with the Templars. Even that templar recruit that I saved, I wanted to yank him out of the Gallows. I didn't want to kill him but I didn't want to return him to the Templars. Didn't have the choice to convince him to leave the Templars other than ratting him out (and probably dooming him).

I would have liked to had more conversations or cutscenes of Anders' remorse after killing the mage girl. Didn't feel there was enough closure there.  And Anders' continuous "I want to attend the funeral" in all of Act II was very annoying and non-sensical (how many YEARS have passed?).

BTW, does anyone know if there is a console code fix for the Awakening bug when Anders continually asks Velanna about how he finds elven women attractive?????!!!!???  That was enough to almost make me want to restart Awakening!!

I am just spouting random thoughts now, so will stop. Anders on the brain. Life could be worse.

Modifié par hobbit_of_the_shire, 05 octobre 2012 - 07:08 .

[Nilfalasiel]

hobbit_of_the_shire wrote...

Not sure if I ever saw the "It's not your beliefs I disagree with, it's your methods." line, but I would have loved to say that to Anders. I think the dialogue wheel is making lots of decisions unclear or too straightforward. Need more choice! In principle, I want to agree with him. But when he goes all manifesto and terrorist-y, I draw the line. I hope I get to do that in the rest of this playthrough, rather than "I hate you, you are evil, mages are evil, now you die."

I wouldn't get your hopes up. DA2 lacks subtlety in general, and the dialogue choices and companion stances are no different. No matter what you say to him (and I haven't seen much in a Rival!Hawke's replies that didn't equate to "I hate you, you are evil, mages are evil"; not enough, at least), Anders will almost always react as if you were both against him personally and against the mages' cause. That's what put me off playing rival at the start (and why I still wouldn't play it willingly, after seeing what it's really like). I would like to voice concerns about Justice, but I am strongly pro-mage. This isn't a nuance that DA2 dialogue can pick up. At least, not satisfactorily, IMO.

BTW, does anyone know if there is a console code fix for the Awakening bug when Anders continually asks Velanna about how he finds elven women attractive?????!!!!???  That was enough to almost make me want to restart Awakening!!

Simple solution! Don't bring Velanna along  Unless you like her, that is. I'm strongly biased, because she just might be the DA character I dislike the most. Although Merrill is a strong contender too.

[Cantina]

I think that is what hurt DA2 the most the lack of dialogue.

You go from DA Origins to be able to have a conversation any where, then being told when you can speak to the character. Plus the romance between the characters was fairly lack luster compared to what it was in Origins.

What pissed me off continuously is the party was more concerned about Aveline's relationship then your own. While (again) in Origins the party had some rather amusing dialogue about whomever you chose to be with.

Modifié par Cantina, 05 octobre 2012 - 09:47 .

[Nilfalasiel]

Cantina wrote...

I think that is what hurt DA2 the most the lack of dialogue.

You go from DA Origins to be able to have a conversation any where, then being told when you can speak to the character.

Hear hear. That was just...

Plus the romance between the characters was fairly lack luster compared to what it was in Origins.

Well, there were good ideas in the lot. I appreciated the fact that the game at least made an attempt at domesticity with Anders and Merrill. The problem is that it wasn't very well implemented. At least, not in Anders' case; I've never been inclined to romance Merrill, so I wouldn't know. It would've been great to return to the mansion to short little scenes between Hawke and Anders, such as him scribbling his manifesto in a corner, asleep at his desk, getting ready to leave for the clinic, planning something for the Mage Underground or trying to play the lute (and failing dramatically). Something along those lines.

What pissed me off continuously is the party was more concerned about Aveline's relationship then your own. While (again) in Origins the party had some rather amusing dialogue about whomever you chose to be with.

There's a convo about your chosen partner with Varric. He'll also needle Anders or Fenris during a banter (not sure if he does it with either of the girls, but it's likely), and you can have jealous spats between the two if you started with Fenris then moved on to Anders (with Isabela chiming in if you had a go at her too). I wouldn't be so quick to say Hawke gets shortchanged in that department. If anything, I'd be almost inclined to say that Hawke gets more LI-related banters and convos than the Warden.

[Cantina]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Cantina wrote...

I think that is what hurt DA2 the most the lack of dialogue.

You go from DA Origins to be able to have a conversation any where, then being told when you can speak to the character.

Hear hear. That was just...

Plus the romance between the characters was fairly lack luster compared to what it was in Origins.

Well, there were good ideas in the lot. I appreciated the fact that the game at least made an attempt at domesticity with Anders and Merrill. The problem is that it wasn't very well implemented. At least, not in Anders' case; I've never been inclined to romance Merrill, so I wouldn't know. It would've been great to return to the mansion to short little scenes between Hawke and Anders, such as him scribbling his manifesto in a corner, asleep at his desk, getting ready to leave for the clinic, planning something for the Mage Underground or trying to play the lute (and failing dramatically). Something along those lines.

What pissed me off continuously is the party was more concerned about Aveline's relationship then your own. While (again) in Origins the party had some rather amusing dialogue about whomever you chose to be with.

There's a convo about your chosen partner with Varric. He'll also needle Anders or Fenris during a banter (not sure if he does it with either of the girls, but it's likely), and you can have jealous spats between the two if you started with Fenris then moved on to Anders (with Isabela chiming in if you had a go at her too). I wouldn't be so quick to say Hawke gets shortchanged in that department. If anything, I'd be almost inclined to say that Hawke gets more LI-related banters and convos than the Warden.

I only hear two conversations in the base game: One from
Merrill and the other from Varric.

I never go the whole romance Fenris route; honestly, he is
ugly and annoys the ****** out of me. In addition, I do not feel the need to
degrade myself to a high school student to hear two grown men arguing over my
Hawke.  

[Gyrefalcon]

No there is Varric asking if your LI went down on one knee to propose, etc. And I think it works with either Anders or Fenris. If you romance that pair, you get the "you two act like a pair of snarling dogs..." and if you throw in Isabella she throws in the "I've slept with Hawke, too, get over it" line.

The problem was, the banter would trigger when you were leaving an area or entering battle and get lost and these lines do not usually get repeated. They need better dialogue trigger points. :/ (Goes back and edits a suggestion post!)

Reading the list on the "Top 5 requests" for DA3 there were a lot of arguments over defined sexualities vs all bisexual (or based on how you romance the characters). I suggested they have that set as an option at the intro like you do with the importing. That way everyone can have their cake and eat it too.

However, it could also use an option for modesty in the romances as well. Some people prefer "the fires burned low" and others want "underwear or less". Could someone else put that in as a suggestion also?  (Since I addressed the LI sexuality, I tacked it on, but it would look better if other people were similarly interested.)  And more Anders, of course.  A good few from this thread did request his returns.  Kudos all!

Modifié par Gyrefalcon, 05 octobre 2012 - 04:26 .

[Cantina]

Gyrefalcon wrote...

No there is Varric asking if your LI went down on one knee to propose, etc. And I think it works with either Anders or Fenris. If you romance that pair, you get the "you two act like a pair of snarling dogs..." and if you throw in Isabella she throws in the "I've slept with Hawke, too, get over it" line.

The problem was, the banter would trigger when you were leaving an area or entering battle and get lost and these lines do not usually get repeated. They need better dialogue trigger points. :/ (Goes back and edits a suggestion post!)

Reading the list on the "Top 5 requests" for DA3 there were a lot of arguments over defined sexualities vs all bisexual (or based on how you romance the characters). I suggested they have that set as an option at the intro like you do with the importing. That way everyone can have their cake and eat it too.

However, it could also use an option for modesty in the romances as well. Some people prefer "the fires burned low" and others want "underwear or less". Could someone else put that in as a suggestion also?  (Since I addressed the LI sexuality, I tacked it on, but it would look better if other people were similarly interested.)  And more Anders, of course.  A good few from this thread did request his returns.  Kudos all!

Right there is only two if you choose NOT to do the jealous route.


Merril makes a comment on in it in Act 2 (3?)


Merill: "Are you happy?"

Anders "Beg your pardon?"

Merill: "I'm mean with Hawke. Cause she seems happy, you are arnt you?"

Anders: Yes, I suppose I am.

Merill: "Good, cause you spent way to much time being grumpy. Its a nice change.




Varric makes a comment on it in Act 3.


Anders: Your given me that look again, what are you writting down this time?

Varric: So you and Hawke, I need some details. Did you go down on one knee? Did she jump you? Did you swear etneral vows of love or is this just a physical thing?

Anders: I don't see how thats any of your buisness.

Varric: Fine, if you don't tell me, I'm just going to have to make it all up.

Modifié par Cantina, 05 octobre 2012 - 05:35 .

[Nilfalasiel]

Cantina wrote...

Right there is only two if you choose NOT to do the jealous route.


Merril makes a comment on in it in Act 2 (3?)


Merill: "Are you happy?"

Anders "Beg your pardon?"

Merill: "I'm mean with Hawke. Cause she seems happy, you are arnt you?"

Anders: Yes, I suppose I am.

Merill: "Good, cause you spent way to much time being grumpy. Its a nice change.




Varric makes a comment on it in Act 3.


Anders: Your given me that look again, what are you writting down this time?

Varric: So you and Hawke, I need some details. Did you go down on one knee? Did she jump you? Did you swear etneral vows of love or is this just a physical thing?

Anders: I don't see how thats any of your buisness.

Varric: Fine, if you don't tell me, I'm just going to have to make it all up.

Don't forget "A Talking To", which is a Hawke-Varric dialogue quest about whoever Hawke's LI of choice happens to be. And Aveline's comment at the beginning of "The Long Road". Also, in Legacy, when Anders wonders why he's agreed to come back to the Deep Roads, and Varric replies that it's because he thinks Hawke is cute. There's another conversation with Carver, where he remarks that he only tolerates Anders because Hawke cares about him. And can't forget about the delicious rescue fantasy dialogue in MotA, which garners a comment from whoever else is in the party at the time.

[Cantina]

I'm speaking of general party banter while traveling and the base game. 

Modifié par Cantina, 05 octobre 2012 - 06:15 .

[hobbit of the shire]

It's very hard for me to catch random banters because of how my speaker system is set up. I have to be pointed at a particular angle to hear some of them. While more banter is great, I find most of the banter to be very juvenile. I'd prefer some more real conversations. And not the jealousy I slept with my entire party dialogue.

And regarding the Velanna bug, she annoys me too. But I wanted to play with her once. I had the awesome mage trio of my warden, Anders and Velanna. Fireballs and frost galore!!!! I can't get enough of them!

[Cantina]

hobbit_of_the_shire wrote...

It's very hard for me to catch random banters because of how my speaker system is set up. I have to be pointed at a particular angle to hear some of them. While more banter is great, I find most of the banter to be very juvenile. I'd prefer some more real conversations. And not the jealousy I slept with my entire party dialogue.

And regarding the Velanna bug, she annoys me too. But I wanted to play with her once. I had the awesome mage trio of my warden, Anders and Velanna. Fireballs and frost galore!!!! I can't get enough of them!

Ahh I see and understand. Well my point was the dialogue between characters about your romance was far better in Origins. And yes, I agree the whole "jealous banter" was rather juvenile.

I play on the 360 so I hear all the dialogue that pops up. I was hoping Isabella would have some party banter about Anders and my Hawke, but nothing. Sure, she had a converstation with you, but even then, IF you take Anders with you, he does not appear in the screen or make a comment on it.  I alos gritted my teeth when Aveline asked about Anders and I and my character blurted out some random dialogue.

Let us just hope DA 3 romance is just as strong as it was in Origins. Well at least I hope so.

Modifié par Cantina, 06 octobre 2012 - 11:27 .

[Nilfalasiel]

Cantina wrote...

Ahh I see and understand. Well my point was the dialogue between characters about your romance was far better in Origins. And yes, I agree the whole "jealous banter" was rather juvenile.

Which? Wynne remarking that Alistair was staring at the Warden's bum? Or teasing him that he should learn where babies come from? Not sure that qualifies as more mature, lol. And there was jealous bickering between the various LIs in DAO as well (Leliana and Morrigan come to mind).

I'm not trying to say that the DA2 banters about your LI are literary masterpieces, it's just that I'm not convinced the DAO ones were more sophisticated.

[Cantina]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Cantina wrote...

Ahh I see and understand. Well my point was the dialogue between characters about your romance was far better in Origins. And yes, I agree the whole "jealous banter" was rather juvenile.

Which? Wynne remarking that Alistair was staring at the Warden's bum? Or teasing him that he should learn where babies come from? Not sure that qualifies as more mature, lol. And there was jealous bickering between the various LIs in DAO as well (Leliana and Morrigan come to mind).

I'm not trying to say that the DA2 banters about your LI are literary masterpieces, it's just that I'm not convinced the DAO ones were more sophisticated.

Well at least in Origins you did not hear jealous bickering like a couple of high school boys.

[Nilfalasiel]

Cantina wrote...

Well at least in Origins you did not hear jealous bickering like a couple of high school boys.

Alistair: So let me ask you something: what are your intentions with her?
Zevran: You speak of her as if she is not present. She is just right over there, you know...
Alistair: Don't dodge the question. I'm serious.
Zevran: Mmm. Do I detect a bit of jealousy there? Feeling territorial, are we?
Alistair: I am just asking what your intentions are. You did try to kill us all, remember?
Zevran: And now I owe her a blood debt, as she has spared my life. It has brought us... closer together.
Alistair: Is that a smirk? Are you smirking at me?
Zevran: I assure you, ser, that I am not smirking. No smirking here, no.
Alistair: Well, just... watch yourself, then. I'll be keeping an eye on you.

This one occurs with very little variation even if you're only romancing Zev and not two-timing.

Morrigan: I see you yet continue to be where you are not welcomed.
Leliana: Are you jealous? Is that what this is about? Because I don't think it's for you to decide what I should or should not do.
Morrigan: Oh, you may continue on as you have. I am merely informing you that you will suffer the consequences.
Leliana: You forget, Morrigan. I am not without my own pointy ends, as well. Do not make promises you cannot keep.
Morrigan: I always keep my promises.
Leliana: Talk is cheap.
Morrigan: And this from a bard?

They have several more like that, it's a bona fide catfight between the two, much worse than between Zev and Alistair. Or anything between Anders and Fenris, for that matter.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 06 octobre 2012 - 12:39 .

[Cantina]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Cantina wrote...

Well at least in Origins you did not hear jealous bickering like a couple of high school boys.

Alistair: So let me ask you something: what are your intentions with her?
Zevran: You speak of her as if she is not present. She is just right over there, you know...
Alistair: Don't dodge the question. I'm serious.
Zevran: Mmm. Do I detect a bit of jealousy there? Feeling territorial, are we?
Alistair: I am just asking what your intentions are. You did try to kill us all, remember?
Zevran: And now I owe her a blood debt, as she has spared my life. It has brought us... closer together.
Alistair: Is that a smirk? Are you smirking at me?
Zevran: I assure you, ser, that I am not smirking. No smirking here, no.
Alistair: Well, just... watch yourself, then. I'll be keeping an eye on you.

This one occurs with very little variation even if you're only romancing Zev and not two-timing.

Morrigan: I see you yet continue to be where you are not welcomed.
Leliana: Are you jealous? Is that what this is about? Because I don't think it's for you to decide what I should or should not do.
Morrigan: Oh, you may continue on as you have. I am merely informing you that you will suffer the consequences.
Leliana: You forget, Morrigan. I am not without my own pointy ends, as well. Do not make promises you cannot keep.
Morrigan: I always keep my promises.
Leliana: Talk is cheap.
Morrigan: And this from a bard?

They have several more like that, it's a bona fide catfight between the two, much worse than between Zev and Alistair. Or anything between Anders and Fenris, for that matter.

Huh?!!? Well, I'll be! I've played Origins ten times over and never heard of any of those or anything like that! Wow!