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[Nilfalasiel]

Cantina wrote...

Huh?!!? Well, I'll be! I've played Origins ten times over and never heard of any of those or anything like that! Wow!

Heh, I guess it's all a matter of luck as to which banters pop up when you walk over a trigger point. 

To be entirely fair, I've never actually heard the Leliana-Morrigan ones myself, since I've never romanced Leliana and I almost always leave her in camp anyway. I got the dialogue off the Wiki. Also, several of their fights are bugged, but they can be restored via mod (Morrigan Restoration Project). Still, if you look at the script for these banters, it is pretty damn catty.

I have heard the non-two-timing Alistair-Zev one several times though, since they're both fixtures in my party.

Edit: ToP? Let's see...



An uncommonly glossy-looking Anders during Blackpowder Courtesy.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 06 octobre 2012 - 01:45 .

[cowoline]

Nilfalasiel wrote...



An uncommonly glossy-looking Anders during Blackpowder Courtesy.

Aaaawww Anders:wub:

I don't know where else to request this, so i thought here might be a good idea. I have written some stories for dragon age, mostly about Anders and I seriously need a beta tester. Is there anyone who might be interrested?

[hobbit of the shire]

cowoline wrote...

I don't know where else to request this, so i thought here might be a good idea. I have written some stories for dragon age, mostly about Anders and I seriously need a beta tester. Is there anyone who might be interrested?

I'm a pretty detailed proof-reader, if desired.  PM me if you want.

[esper]

berelinde wrote...

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Cantina wrote...

Funny how there were more choices with your sibilings then there was within the game as whole.

I do not care for Bethany or Carver both of them annoyed the hell out of me. But despite not liking Carver, I cannot bring myself to let him die in the Deep Roads.

Heh, indeed. Although "worrying" might be a better term...

I started out ready to dislike Carver, but he actually blindsided me. For some reason, his typical bratty little brother spiel was like a breath of fresh air (almost typoed "french air") compared to Beth's listlessness. Besides, I really like how he turns out as a Warden. Badass little bro!

I started out being ambivalent about Carver, but I wound up loving him to itty-bitty grumpy pieces. He's sullen. He's resentful. He's also incredibly loyal when it matters. The sibling rivalry came through loud and clear, but at the end of the day, he was family. Had they included a "(Hug Carver)" option, I would have spammed the heck out of it. And taken the rivalry points that went with it.

David Gaider promised that we'll be able to kiss (and maybe hug) our LIs anywhere next game. It's a shame we never got a chance to hug Anders at will, but I'm looking forward to it in DA3.

Carver is the reason I cannot not play a mage. Bethany is sweet and all, but I miss my resentfull but loyal little brother.

And as much as I dislike hug, and kiss options anytime, I would totally have spammed the hell out of them to annoy Carver and Anders needed some hugs.

[esper]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Cantina wrote...

Well at least in Origins you did not hear jealous bickering like a couple of high school boys.

Alistair: So let me ask you something: what are your intentions with her?
Zevran: You speak of her as if she is not present. She is just right over there, you know...
Alistair: Don't dodge the question. I'm serious.
Zevran: Mmm. Do I detect a bit of jealousy there? Feeling territorial, are we?
Alistair: I am just asking what your intentions are. You did try to kill us all, remember?
Zevran: And now I owe her a blood debt, as she has spared my life. It has brought us... closer together.
Alistair: Is that a smirk? Are you smirking at me?
Zevran: I assure you, ser, that I am not smirking. No smirking here, no.
Alistair: Well, just... watch yourself, then. I'll be keeping an eye on you.

This one occurs with very little variation even if you're only romancing Zev and not two-timing.

Morrigan: I see you yet continue to be where you are not welcomed.
Leliana: Are you jealous? Is that what this is about? Because I don't think it's for you to decide what I should or should not do.
Morrigan: Oh, you may continue on as you have. I am merely informing you that you will suffer the consequences.
Leliana: You forget, Morrigan. I am not without my own pointy ends, as well. Do not make promises you cannot keep.
Morrigan: I always keep my promises.
Leliana: Talk is cheap.
Morrigan: And this from a bard?

They have several more like that, it's a bona fide catfight between the two, much worse than between Zev and Alistair. Or anything between Anders and Fenris, for that matter.

Wait what is the condition for the Alistar vs Zevran one because I never heard that even if my warden romanced Zevran.

[Nilfalasiel]

esper wrote...

Carver is the reason I cannot not play a mage. Bethany is sweet and all, but I miss my resentfull but loyal little brother.

And as much as I dislike hug, and kiss options anytime, I would totally have spammed the hell out of them to annoy Carver and Anders needed some hugs.

Well, I've installed the Sophie's Choice mod, which, as the name suggests, allows you to pick which sibling survives, regardless of your Hawke's chosen class. I think it was originally designed to keep Beth, and apparently, that can cause issues with mage Hawkes (where NPCs don't recognise them as mages). However, I haven't seen any reported problems about keeping Carver as a non-mage (probably because there's so few people who want to do that), so maybe it'll work? I'll have to see on my next playthrough, but that won't be for a while.

Also, I totally agree that Anders was in sore need of hugs.

Wait what is the condition for the Alistar vs Zevran one because I never heard that even if my warden romanced Zevran.

There's no particular condition that I know of. Best way to check would be to make a party with just Zev and Alistair (or with dog as a fourth), then run back and forth over the Orzammar bridge, zoning into the Proving Arena to reset the trigger. If that doesn't work, maybe it's that Zev needs to be at a certain percentage of approval? I don't know.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 07 octobre 2012 - 09:35 .

[esper]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

esper wrote...

Carver is the reason I cannot not play a mage. Bethany is sweet and all, but I miss my resentfull but loyal little brother.

And as much as I dislike hug, and kiss options anytime, I would totally have spammed the hell out of them to annoy Carver and Anders needed some hugs.

Well, I've installed the Sophie's Choice mod, which, as the name suggests, allows you to pick which sibling survives, regardless of your Hawke's chosen class. I think it was originally designed to keep Beth, and apparently, that can cause issues with mage Hawkes (where NPCs don't recognise them as mages). However, I haven't seen any reported problems about keeping Carver as a non-mage (probably because there's so few people who want to do that), so maybe it'll work? I'll have to see on my next playthrough, but that won't be for a while.

Also, I totally agree that Anders was in sore need of hugs.

Wait what is the condition for the Alistar vs Zevran one because I never heard that even if my warden romanced Zevran.

There's no particular condition that I know of. Best way to check would be to make a party with just Zev and Alistair (or with dog as a fourth), then run back and forth over the Orzammar bridge, zoning into the Proving Arena to reset the trigger. If that doesn't work, maybe it's that Zev needs to be at a certain percentage of approval? I don't know.

PS3 player:(. Also what should Carver **** about if his older sister wasn't a mage?

Perhaps it has to do when the warden jumps into bed with Zevran. From the line it does sound like they are already physical close.

[Nilfalasiel]

esper wrote...

PS3 player:(. Also what should Carver **** about if his older sister wasn't a mage?

Ack! There goes that idea then. As for what Carver would b**** about, I'm pretty sure either his or Hawke's Codex entry states that there's a sibling rivalry between them even when Hawke isn't a mage. Possibly because Hawke's a better fighter, or was more popular/better ranked in the army.

Perhaps it has to do when the warden jumps into bed with Zevran. From the line it does sound like they are already physical close.

That's definitely a possibility. I'll see if I can get it to pop up with my Tabris.

[esper]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

esper wrote...

PS3 player:(. Also what should Carver **** about if his older sister wasn't a mage?

Ack! There goes that idea then. As for what Carver would b**** about, I'm pretty sure either his or Hawke's Codex entry states that there's a sibling rivalry between them even when Hawke isn't a mage. Possibly because Hawke's a better fighter, or was more popular/better ranked in the army.

Perhaps it has to do when the warden jumps into bed with Zevran. From the line it does sound like they are already physical close.

That's definitely a possibility. I'll see if I can get it to pop up with my Tabris.

Oh, I don't doubt that Carver could b**** about that if he had any recorded lines with it. There are just many lines that goes I'm the only blade in a house of mages so shut up.

[Cantina]

I could have done without Carver or Bethany in the game. They really don't do anything for me, even for story purposes. I chose to play a Mage every time, simply because I enjoy the class and do to the events in Kirkwall makes more sense to be one.

Thankfully after Act 1 and turning Carver over to the Grey Wardens, I don't have to deal his bullsh!t any more-well mostly.

I just hope DA3 leaves out the whole "you have siblings" cause I did not care for them in DA2.

Modifié par Cantina, 07 octobre 2012 - 12:49 .

[Gyrefalcon]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

esper wrote...

PS3 player:(. Also what should Carver **** about if his older sister wasn't a mage?

Ack! There goes that idea then. As for what Carver would b**** about, I'm pretty sure either his or Hawke's Codex entry states that there's a sibling rivalry between them even when Hawke isn't a mage. Possibly because Hawke's a better fighter, or was more popular/better ranked in the army.

Perhaps it has to do when the warden jumps into bed with Zevran. From the line it does sound like they are already physical close.

That's definitely a possibility. I'll see if I can get it to pop up with my Tabris.

It may be when romancing both but without having slept with Zevran.  I had that convo come up before and I was considering Zevran but got tagged by Alistair when I accidentally turned around into him and initiated a conversation and had to choose.    But I was mostly after Alistair and had not slept with Zevran I'm pretty sure.  So, lots of gifts and I did trek around with my dog in the party a lot so that suggestion is a good one.

[hobbit of the shire]

Been meaning to post some of my screenies up for a looong time.
Anders and my warden Kain, who isn't so shoddy looking himself.


Anders struts his magical stuff.


I felt so sad reading Anders' comment knowing what he will do.


Mod fun.  Nate is impressed.

Modifié par hobbit_of_the_shire, 08 octobre 2012 - 08:51 .

[Nilfalasiel]

Gyrefalcon wrote...

It may be when romancing both but without having slept with Zevran.  I had that convo come up before and I was considering Zevran but got tagged by Alistair when I accidentally turned around into him and initiated a conversation and had to choose.    But I was mostly after Alistair and had not slept with Zevran I'm pretty sure.  So, lots of gifts and I did trek around with my dog in the party a lot so that suggestion is a good one.

The version I posted is for a double romance, yes. But a variant of this banter can happen even if you're only romancing Zev. The difference is literally one line (Zev mentions 'brotherly concern' instead of 'jealousy'). Here it is:

Alistair: So let me ask you something. What are your intentions with her?
Zevran: You speak of her as if she is not present. She is just right over there, you know...
Alistair: Don't dodge the question. I'm serious.
Zevran: Is this brotherly concern I detect? Or something else? Perhaps you are concerned for me, yes? (this the different line)
Alistair: I am just asking what your intentions are. You did try to kill us all, remember?
Zevran: And now I owe her a blood debt, as she has spared my life. It has brought us... closer together.
Alistair: Is that a smirk? Are you smirking at me?
Zevran: I assure you, ser, that I am not smirking. No smirking here, no.
Alistair: Well, just... watch yourself, then. I'll be keeping an eye on you.

hobbit_of_the_shire wrote...

I felt so sad reading Anders' comment knowing what he will do.
*picsnip*

*shakes fist at Justice*

Mod fun. Nate is impressed.

And Velanna's all: "Must. Not. Look. At. Naked. Shem."

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 08 octobre 2012 - 09:53 .

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

hobbit_of_the_shire wrote...

I felt so sad reading Anders' comment knowing what he will do.
*picsnip*

*shakes fist at Justice*

I don't think Anders or Justice feel particularly happy about what they do, either... not that it stopped them, of course.

Mod fun. Nate is impressed.

And Velanna's all: "Must. Not. Look. At. Naked. Shem."

You know you want to look Velanna~! 

Damn, it's been months (possibly a year, even) since I last saw this thread.
Anyways...
On the sibling topic: Carver can and will find something to b******* about, anywhere and anywhen. It's a talent of his, and it's why I love him. Grey Warden Carver is a badass, and despite still being an arse, makes me smile (also, I am so proud of him and his "saving the world" shenanigans.  ) especially if you side with the Templars and he goes ape-**** on Hawke for betraying his/her own kind.
Templar Carver deserves my fist in his kidneys for being even more of a jerkass than he was before. Especially after saying that the Chantry could do the Wardens' job better. (HA! <_<)

Bethany stops me from playing rogue or warrior because I cannot stand her. Circle or Warden I simply want to bash her annoying little whiny face in. Both siblings whine, but while Carver interests me, Bethany leaves me with the desire to smother her. Warden Bethany even more so.

I never really got a sense of catyness between Alistair and Zevran, especially compared to Leliana and Morrigan (or even Morrigan and Zev: "I see your friendship with the Warden is going well," "As is yours.") Besides if I romance them both I just romance Alistair up until the Landsmeet then spare Loghain and run of with Zevran... actually I always end up running off with Zevran...

Modifié par Dreaming-in-Shadow, 08 octobre 2012 - 11:11 .

[Nilfalasiel]

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

I don't think Anders or Justice feel particularly happy about what they do, either... not that it stopped them, of course.

Indeed...

*grabs Justice by the collar and shakes him* Why couldn't you just leave well enough alone?
*turns around and grabs Anders* And you, why did you listen to him?

Bethany stops me from playing rogue or warrior because I cannot stand her. Circle or Warden I simply want to bash her annoying little whiny face in. Both siblings whine, but while Carver interests me, Bethany leaves me with the desire to smother her. Warden Bethany even more so.

That's why I hope I can get that Sophie's Choice mod to work. Then I can remake my rogue Hawke with Carver in tow. Warrior I found too boring for my tastes. Especially since you're not allowed to dual-wield, which is the only Warrior build I liked from DAO.

I never really got a sense of catyness between Alistair and Zevran, especially compared to Leliana and Morrigan (or even Morrigan and Zev: "I see your friendship with the Warden is going well," "As is yours.") Besides if I romance them both I just romance Alistair up until the Landsmeet then spare Loghain and run of with Zevran... actually I always end up running off with Zevran...

Once you go elf, you can never go back

But yeah, cattiness is the girls' domain. Anything involving Morrigan is bound to get catty at some point.

[Cantina]

No offense to David Gaider but the whole concept of merging Justice into Anders, was the wrong direction.

Its one thing to allow a character to change over the years but to do a complete 360 just makes the character seem a like a completely different person.

I've played DA2 numerous times and still have a hard believing this is the same Anders from Awakening.

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

Cantina wrote...

No offense to David Gaider but the whole concept of merging Justice into Anders, was the wrong direction. 

Its one thing to allow a character to change over the years but to do a complete 360 just makes the character seem a like a completely different person. 

I've played DA2 numerous times and still have a hard believing this is the same Anders from Awakening.

Naturally. Anders has taken a spirit of Justice into his mind/soul, and considering how completely different the two are it's not surprising that they both had huge effects on the others personality.

In Awakening, Anders was more interested in escaping from the Templars than fighting them. But he still showed clear signs of anger and dislike/hatred for the Chantry, Circle and the Templar order. As I recall, merging with spirits results in the possessed mage feeling their emotions amplified, so DA2 Anders on top of having Justice screaming for Templar blood 24/7 (there are twenty four hours in a Thedas day, right?) his anger at the Chantry in stronger than ever and as a consequence warped Justice into Vengeance.

So it's more like Awakening Anders prefered to be funny and ignore his problems, while DA2 Anders lets his problems overtake everything else.

That said; I wish we had more funny Anders. Just a biit, because I know he was still there at times.
Really, getting out of Kirkwall would have helped, IMO.

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Indeed...

*grabs Justice by the collar and shakes him* Why couldn't you just leave well enough alone?
*turns around and grabs Anders* And you, why did you listen to him?

Goddamnit, Justice you were supposed to be the responsible one FFS!!! 

That's why I hope I can get that Sophie's Choice mod to work. Then I can remake my rogue Hawke with Carver in tow. Warrior I found too boring for my tastes. Especially since you're not allowed to dual-wield, which is the only Warrior build I liked from DAO.

I don't usually mod beyond hawke's appearance, since I'm worried I might really screw up. Instead I'll just play Crazy Anti-Mage Templar Hawke and let Meredith run her through.

Besides dual-wielding, Rogue animations are cooler than warrior! ...but Templar is a warrior specialisation. Damn, I can't win. 

Once you go elf, you can never go back

But yeah, cattiness is the girls' domain. Anything involving Morrigan is bound to get catty at some point.

Why would you want to go back? 
If only she was willing to share... But noooo she just wants me so she can have my demon god baby. Morrigan why do you use me so?

[Gyrefalcon]

Let's not forget that Kirkwall was apparently on top of a major nasty who was probably leaking unpleasant psychic vibes into the community. I agree that getting Anders out of Kirkwall could have made a difference.

Also, if you go back and listen to the DA: Awakenings dialogues, Anders hints at how terrible life in the circle had been for him. When you take away the jocularity, you will find that many of the lines are echoed in DA2. It is Anders, but with his humor shield taken away. So very sad!

[Nilfalasiel]

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

Besides dual-wielding, Rogue animations are cooler than warrior! ...but Templar is a warrior specialisation. Damn, I can't win. 

Actually, I was underwhelmed by the Templar abilities. Although maybe they can be useful for a sword-and-shield type (which I can't stand playing). A pure damage build fares much better with Berserker and Reaver.

Why would you want to go back? 

*voice of Urdnot Shaman from ME2* I like this human, she understands.

Gyrefalcon wrote...

Let's not forget that Kirkwall was apparently on top of a major nasty who was probably leaking unpleasant psychic vibes into the community. I agree that getting Anders out of Kirkwall could have made a difference.

This.

Also, if you go back and listen to the DA: Awakenings dialogues, Anders hints at how terrible life in the circle had been for him. When you take away the jocularity, you will find that many of the lines are echoed in DA2. It is Anders, but with his humor shield taken away. So very sad!

And this too. In retrospect, they're really not all that different. DA2 Anders does retain some jokiness for a while. Until Act 3 kicks in.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 09 octobre 2012 - 11:28 .

[Alessa]

Gyrefalcon wrote...

Let's not forget that Kirkwall was apparently on top of a major nasty who was probably leaking unpleasant psychic vibes into the community. I agree that getting Anders out of Kirkwall could have made a difference.

Also, if you go back and listen to the DA: Awakenings dialogues, Anders hints at how terrible life in the circle had been for him. When you take away the jocularity, you will find that many of the lines are echoed in DA2. It is Anders, but with his humor shield taken away. So very sad!

Yes ... it's hurting to see him this way, but it's just him without hiding behind his sarcasm.

[berelinde]

[quote]Nilfalasiel wrote...

[quote]Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

Actually, I was underwhelmed by the Templar abilities. Although maybe they can be useful for a sword-and-shield type (which I can't stand playing). A pure damage build fares much better with Berserker and Reaver.[/quote]For a sword-and-board warrior, they're a lifesaver. They get very few offensive talents. And yeah, that's my least favorite build, too, but I'm doing it this time because I'm doing a video diary of a Cullen face-swapped protagonist to provide screenshots for an interactive dialogue series.


[quote]
And this too. In retrospect, they're really not all that different. DA2 Anders does retain some jokiness for a while. Until Act 3 kicks in.[/quote]Very much so.

My sister and I were attempting pro-templar playthroughs recently. I never made it out of Act 1, but that's mostly because Anders's lighthearted banters with Varric and Isabela kept making me weepy. I have played a pro-templar rival Anders playthrough before, and it breaks my heart knowing how much damage Hawke's rivalry will do to Anders's psyche. I know, I know. Anders is utterly hosed one way or another, but his coping skills are a lot better as a friend. I'm an enabler, and proud of it!

[Gyrefalcon]

I wonder how many of us could stand to do the Rivalry run if that choice would allow Anders to separate from Justice in DA3. Could you stand to replay DA2 to try and (mostly) restore Anders in DA3? (Mind you, the odds of us getting much of anything with Anders is small, but I do believe our voices are helping.)

[berelinde]

Considering that rivaled Anders kills himself if you don't do it for him, I'm not terribly optimistic, but if the choice were there, I'd do it. That said, I would prefer to use a save game generator rather than submit myself to the torture of another rivaled Anders run.

When I did my rivalry run, the ending had just been repaired. Prior to that time, it was still broken, with rival Anders confronting Hawke in the Gallows no matter what the status of their relationship.I had allowed myself to be swayed by the opinion of players who said that rivaling Anders was the equivalent of encouraging him to "fight it," and found out the hard way that there is no fighting it. There is only madness, desperation, and ultimately death.

But if they gave us the option to evict Justice and not destroy Anders in the process, I'd probably do it.

[CuriousArtemis]

Gyrefalcon wrote...

I wonder how many of us could stand to do the Rivalry run if that choice would allow Anders to separate from Justice in DA3. Could you stand to replay DA2 to try and (mostly) restore Anders in DA3? (Mind you, the odds of us getting much of anything with Anders is small, but I do believe our voices are helping.)

I've never rivaled him, but if that could get him free of Justice then definitely!!!! 

[hobbit of the shire]

Gyrefalcon wrote...

I wonder how many of us could stand to do the Rivalry run if that choice would allow Anders to separate from Justice in DA3. Could you stand to replay DA2 to try and (mostly) restore Anders in DA3? (Mind you, the odds of us getting much of anything with Anders is small, but I do believe our voices are helping.)

Swiftly reading over the last few posts because I don't want to be totally spoiled of a rivalry play.... it would make me miserable, but if there was any way for Anders to separate from Justice or getting some redemption, I'd definitely do it.  I doubt we'll get any decent DA3 action (other than a railroaded "this is what happened to Anders" narrative).  I think the Anders redemption/separation story would've been a perfect DLC for DA2, but alas....